A part-time trial

A part-time trial

A part-time trial

First published in Letters by

I WAS surprised but pleased to hear that your correspondent (“It doesn’t add up,” February, 19) had no problems when travelling from Haxby to York Station.

Then the penny dropped: it was rush hour so Lendal Bridge would not have been closed at that time.

This shows just how phony the trial is: how can the effect of the proposed permanent closure from 7am to 7pm be properly accessed when the trial is only between 10.30am to 5pm?

The citizens of this city are not fools; they can tell when the wool is being pulled in front of their eyes.

A part-time closure followed by selective examination of the evidence is not a trial but merely a justification of that which has already been decided.

Colin Richardson, Hobgate, York.

Comments (13)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

10:05am Fri 21 Feb 14

Jonthan says...

Colin Richardson is not the first correspondent to allege that there is a "proposed permanent closure from 7am to 7pm".

I would have thought that if the Council had pre-empted the outcome of the Lendal Bridge trial review, it would have been banner headlines in the Press and UKIP members would have been rioting in the streets. Yet I have never read a word about it?

Can Mr Wilson or someone else please provide a source for this information?
Colin Richardson is not the first correspondent to allege that there is a "proposed permanent closure from 7am to 7pm". I would have thought that if the Council had pre-empted the outcome of the Lendal Bridge trial review, it would have been banner headlines in the Press and UKIP members would have been rioting in the streets. Yet I have never read a word about it? Can Mr Wilson or someone else please provide a source for this information? Jonthan
  • Score: 23

12:34pm Fri 21 Feb 14

b3nson says...

Jonthan wrote:
Colin Richardson is not the first correspondent to allege that there is a "proposed permanent closure from 7am to 7pm".

I would have thought that if the Council had pre-empted the outcome of the Lendal Bridge trial review, it would have been banner headlines in the Press and UKIP members would have been rioting in the streets. Yet I have never read a word about it?

Can Mr Wilson or someone else please provide a source for this information?
Yes - I can. It will not be denied by Cllr Alexander so draw your conclusion. That and many other issues regarding Lendal Bridge have blatantly being swept under the carpet and the York residents treated with contempt.There is no fixed criteria for determining whether this sham of a trial is successful or not. I could go on...please believe what you like but at best you're being naive if you don't believe this will become permanent against the wishes of the vast majority of York residents.
The day of reckoning will come when we vote!
[quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: Colin Richardson is not the first correspondent to allege that there is a "proposed permanent closure from 7am to 7pm". I would have thought that if the Council had pre-empted the outcome of the Lendal Bridge trial review, it would have been banner headlines in the Press and UKIP members would have been rioting in the streets. Yet I have never read a word about it? Can Mr Wilson or someone else please provide a source for this information?[/p][/quote]Yes - I can. It will not be denied by Cllr Alexander so draw your conclusion. That and many other issues regarding Lendal Bridge have blatantly being swept under the carpet and the York residents treated with contempt.There is no fixed criteria for determining whether this sham of a trial is successful or not. I could go on...please believe what you like but at best you're being naive if you don't believe this will become permanent against the wishes of the vast majority of York residents. The day of reckoning will come when we vote! b3nson
  • Score: -3

1:22pm Fri 21 Feb 14

WhyEver says...

"7. This report sets out a proposal for a trial to establish a pedestrian,
public transport and cycle priority route over Lendal Bridge;
commencing in August 2013, operating a two-way restriction
enforced by Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR)
cameras. The proposal is to operate a 10:30am to 5:00pm trial
restriction, with an aspiration for a 7:00am to 7:00pm restriction."

That's the "Cabinet Report Improving Movement and Public Realm in the City Centre" from 7th May 2013 which the cabinet voted on.

JA said on Radio York that he expected his cabinet to retain the restriction, I don't remember if the extension of hours was mentioned.
"7. This report sets out a proposal for a trial to establish a pedestrian, public transport and cycle priority route over Lendal Bridge; commencing in August 2013, operating a two-way restriction enforced by Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras. The proposal is to operate a 10:30am to 5:00pm trial restriction, with an aspiration for a 7:00am to 7:00pm restriction." That's the "Cabinet Report Improving Movement and Public Realm in the City Centre" from 7th May 2013 which the cabinet voted on. JA said on Radio York that he expected his cabinet to retain the restriction, I don't remember if the extension of hours was mentioned. WhyEver
  • Score: -1

2:08pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Bo Jolly says...

Jonthan wrote:
Colin Richardson is not the first correspondent to allege that there is a "proposed permanent closure from 7am to 7pm".

I would have thought that if the Council had pre-empted the outcome of the Lendal Bridge trial review, it would have been banner headlines in the Press and UKIP members would have been rioting in the streets. Yet I have never read a word about it?

Can Mr Wilson or someone else please provide a source for this information?
Jonthan, you persist in implying that the only people angry about the Lendal Bridge closure are UKIP members. If so that's a bit scary as in the recent Press poll 82% were against the closure. If all of those people were loony-tunes Faragists, then we're in real trouble. Maybe, just maybe, the issue doesn't neatly break down into right vs. left but majority vs. anti-car campaigners.

And you're wrong (not for the first time). As WhyEver points out, the aim of the 'trial' was always a 7am to 7pm closure. It was reported as such at the time, leading many to question the validity of a 'trial' if it doesn't actually test the thing it's supposed to be a trial for. Do try to get a grip on the facts.
[quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: Colin Richardson is not the first correspondent to allege that there is a "proposed permanent closure from 7am to 7pm". I would have thought that if the Council had pre-empted the outcome of the Lendal Bridge trial review, it would have been banner headlines in the Press and UKIP members would have been rioting in the streets. Yet I have never read a word about it? Can Mr Wilson or someone else please provide a source for this information?[/p][/quote]Jonthan, you persist in implying that the only people angry about the Lendal Bridge closure are UKIP members. If so that's a bit scary as in the recent Press poll 82% were against the closure. If all of those people were loony-tunes Faragists, then we're in real trouble. Maybe, just maybe, the issue doesn't neatly break down into right vs. left but majority vs. anti-car campaigners. And you're wrong (not for the first time). As WhyEver points out, the aim of the 'trial' was always a 7am to 7pm closure. It was reported as such at the time, leading many to question the validity of a 'trial' if it doesn't actually test the thing it's supposed to be a trial for. Do try to get a grip on the facts. Bo Jolly
  • Score: -6

3:19pm Fri 21 Feb 14

old_geezer says...

This has been a trial with a view to possible 7am-7pm extension from the word go, as reported in these pages several times before it started. No secret, and I for one would be okay with the extension.
This has been a trial with a view to possible 7am-7pm extension from the word go, as reported in these pages several times before it started. No secret, and I for one would be okay with the extension. old_geezer
  • Score: -20

3:32pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Jonthan says...

old_geezer wrote:
This has been a trial with a view to possible 7am-7pm extension from the word go, as reported in these pages several times before it started. No secret, and I for one would be okay with the extension.
Once again, please provide a link to the story. If it has been reported as often as you imply you'll have no difficulty finding it.
[quote][p][bold]old_geezer[/bold] wrote: This has been a trial with a view to possible 7am-7pm extension from the word go, as reported in these pages several times before it started. No secret, and I for one would be okay with the extension.[/p][/quote]Once again, please provide a link to the story. If it has been reported as often as you imply you'll have no difficulty finding it. Jonthan
  • Score: 25

4:44pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Ichabod76 says...

Here you are Jonthan seen an you don't know how to work the search function

Why Lendal Bridge is closing to traffic

9:32am Thursday 13th June 2013 in Features

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/features/feat
ures/10481939.Why_Le
ndal_Bridge_is_closi
ng_to_traffic/

and the important bit

Coun Merrett says.
That initial trial will start in August during the school holidays, and will ban cars and motorcycles between 10.30am and 5pm; it will be accompanied by a public consultation, to see how people like the changes.

If it succeeds, it will be followed by a second six-month trial, during which traffic will be banned between 7am and 7pm.

And what then? Will the ban become permanent?

“If it is a complete disaster we will reconsider,” Coun Merrett says. “But we don’t have a lot of options.”

Short of congestion charging, that is: which would cause even more howls of protest than closing Lendal Bridge.

Is this a threat Coun Merrett ?



This bit is just an outright lie

But York has to do something about its traffic, he insists. There has been a constant increase in traffic in the city centre in recent years – and congestion will only increase further if nothing is done.

he really does need to read the reports that he has written for him

over to you strangebuttrue?
Here you are Jonthan seen an you don't know how to work the search function Why Lendal Bridge is closing to traffic 9:32am Thursday 13th June 2013 in Features http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/features/feat ures/10481939.Why_Le ndal_Bridge_is_closi ng_to_traffic/ and the important bit Coun Merrett says. That initial trial will start in August during the school holidays, and will ban cars and motorcycles between 10.30am and 5pm; it will be accompanied by a public consultation, to see how people like the changes. If it succeeds, it will be followed by a second six-month trial, during which traffic will be banned between 7am and 7pm. And what then? Will the ban become permanent? “If it is a complete disaster we will reconsider,” Coun Merrett says. “But we don’t have a lot of options.” Short of congestion charging, that is: which would cause even more howls of protest than closing Lendal Bridge. Is this a threat Coun Merrett ? This bit is just an outright lie But York has to do something about its traffic, he insists. There has been a constant increase in traffic in the city centre in recent years – and congestion will only increase further if nothing is done. he really does need to read the reports that he has written for him over to you strangebuttrue? Ichabod76
  • Score: -6

5:57pm Fri 21 Feb 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Yes if Mr Merrett said traffic is increasing he was misleading the residents of York. Mr Merretts own report (written for him by his experts I have no doubt) states that the volume of traffic in York fell between 2002 to 2006 and had not risen up to Oct 2012.

He also says that pollution has risen between 2006 and 2012 by up to 48% without any increase in the volume of traffic.

The council also reported just before the bridge closure (not sure if this was the man himself) that traffic levels in the centre of York had fallen even further. But you can see that for yourself if you ignore that fact that the council keep you standing at traffic lights all day to give the illusion of congestion.
Yes if Mr Merrett said traffic is increasing he was misleading the residents of York. Mr Merretts own report (written for him by his experts I have no doubt) states that the volume of traffic in York fell between 2002 to 2006 and had not risen up to Oct 2012. He also says that pollution has risen between 2006 and 2012 by up to 48% without any increase in the volume of traffic. The council also reported just before the bridge closure (not sure if this was the man himself) that traffic levels in the centre of York had fallen even further. But you can see that for yourself if you ignore that fact that the council keep you standing at traffic lights all day to give the illusion of congestion. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -4

6:53pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Jonthan says...

Thank you Ichabod. So not a proposed permanent closure as asserted by the letter writer, but another test period. However I had not seen this and I'm obliged to you for providing the link
Thank you Ichabod. So not a proposed permanent closure as asserted by the letter writer, but another test period. However I had not seen this and I'm obliged to you for providing the link Jonthan
  • Score: 25

10:22pm Fri 21 Feb 14

strangebuttrue? says...

I see our score adjuster is still trying to mislead as well. Kind of sums up the whole Lendal Bridge saga from the supporters side anyway.
I see our score adjuster is still trying to mislead as well. Kind of sums up the whole Lendal Bridge saga from the supporters side anyway. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -20

11:46pm Fri 21 Feb 14

wallman says...

Jonthan wrote:
Colin Richardson is not the first correspondent to allege that there is a "proposed permanent closure from 7am to 7pm".

I would have thought that if the Council had pre-empted the outcome of the Lendal Bridge trial review, it would have been banner headlines in the Press and UKIP members would have been rioting in the streets. Yet I have never read a word about it?

Can Mr Wilson or someone else please provide a source for this information?
Jonthan ask your boss con man merritt to provide you with the facts which have been talked about between councils members
[quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: Colin Richardson is not the first correspondent to allege that there is a "proposed permanent closure from 7am to 7pm". I would have thought that if the Council had pre-empted the outcome of the Lendal Bridge trial review, it would have been banner headlines in the Press and UKIP members would have been rioting in the streets. Yet I have never read a word about it? Can Mr Wilson or someone else please provide a source for this information?[/p][/quote]Jonthan ask your boss con man merritt to provide you with the facts which have been talked about between councils members wallman
  • Score: -3

12:16am Sat 22 Feb 14

Badgers Drift says...

How come 'Jonthan' gets high scores, and all of those who are against the Lendal Bridge closure don 't ?

Everybody I talk to, is against it !
How come 'Jonthan' gets high scores, and all of those who are against the Lendal Bridge closure don 't ? Everybody I talk to, is against it ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 0

12:28pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Bo Jolly says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
How come 'Jonthan' gets high scores, and all of those who are against the Lendal Bridge closure don 't ?

Everybody I talk to, is against it !
Because the scores get adjusted every evening by someone who votes multiple times. In the space of a few minutes, all of the anti-Lendal Bridge closure comments get marked down and the tiny number of pro-closure comments marked up in a deliberate effort to misrepresent public opinion. This has sometimes been seen to happen around 7pm, and almost always around 11pm.

It happens on other stories too, the score adjuster likes the council generally, the Green Party, Anna Semlyen and 20mph limits - so pay no attention to the comment voting on those sorts of stories.

The poll last week in the Press was restricted to one vote per computer (unlike the comment voting) and showed that 82% want the bridge re-opened.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: How come 'Jonthan' gets high scores, and all of those who are against the Lendal Bridge closure don 't ? Everybody I talk to, is against it ![/p][/quote]Because the scores get adjusted every evening by someone who votes multiple times. In the space of a few minutes, all of the anti-Lendal Bridge closure comments get marked down and the tiny number of pro-closure comments marked up in a deliberate effort to misrepresent public opinion. This has sometimes been seen to happen around 7pm, and almost always around 11pm. It happens on other stories too, the score adjuster likes the council generally, the Green Party, Anna Semlyen and 20mph limits - so pay no attention to the comment voting on those sorts of stories. The poll last week in the Press was restricted to one vote per computer (unlike the comment voting) and showed that 82% want the bridge re-opened. Bo Jolly
  • Score: 3

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree