Council to be lauded for brave decision

Council to be lauded for brave decision

Council to be lauded for brave decision

First published in Letters by

TOO many fines for crossing Lendal Bridge? There is another way of looking at it. A £30 fine will make people think twice before driving needlessly into any part of our sensitive medieval city centre. It’s an incentive to consider train, Park&Ride or good old shanks from their hotels.

The growing visitor figures show no Lendal Bridge factor. Remember the retailers’ backlash against pedestrianisation decades ago? It led to a retailing boom as day trippers flocked to a city with a civilised environment so different from back home.

City of York Council has been brave in its attempt to make Lendal Bridge into a pleasant experience for hundreds of thousands of residents and tourists. I say this even though I vote for a different party. I applaud our politicians for their courageous adherence to government environmental guidelines.

The small number of reactionary gentlemen, who write such sneering letters to The Press, often employing the most ludicrous conspiracy theory, would do better to come up with their own solutions to gridlock, air pollution and civic degradation.

Let us hear their workable alternatives to York’s traffic problems.

I don’t, by the way, think they give a hoot about tourists.

Jim McGurn, Get Cycling – A Community Interest Company, Hospital Fields Road, York.

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11:39am Thu 20 Feb 14

tricky1992000 says...

"Let us hear their workable alternatives to York’s traffic problems. "

You won't solve York's traffic problems by making them drive for 10-15 minutes more. The evidence is already there, congestion in other parts of the city has risen. And that is no good for cyclist, resident, pedestrian or motorist. Open Lendal bridge, and you reopen a quick and direct route.
"Let us hear their workable alternatives to York’s traffic problems. " You won't solve York's traffic problems by making them drive for 10-15 minutes more. The evidence is already there, congestion in other parts of the city has risen. And that is no good for cyclist, resident, pedestrian or motorist. Open Lendal bridge, and you reopen a quick and direct route. tricky1992000
  • Score: 8645

11:46am Thu 20 Feb 14

York Urban says...

tricky1992000 wrote:
"Let us hear their workable alternatives to York’s traffic problems. "

You won't solve York's traffic problems by making them drive for 10-15 minutes more. The evidence is already there, congestion in other parts of the city has risen. And that is no good for cyclist, resident, pedestrian or motorist. Open Lendal bridge, and you reopen a quick and direct route.
You certainly will if it nudges a proportion of "them" into using an alternative forms of transport. I agree with MrGurn.
[quote][p][bold]tricky1992000[/bold] wrote: "Let us hear their workable alternatives to York’s traffic problems. " You won't solve York's traffic problems by making them drive for 10-15 minutes more. The evidence is already there, congestion in other parts of the city has risen. And that is no good for cyclist, resident, pedestrian or motorist. Open Lendal bridge, and you reopen a quick and direct route.[/p][/quote]You certainly will if it nudges a proportion of "them" into using an alternative forms of transport. I agree with MrGurn. York Urban
  • Score: -37

12:10pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Jojojojojo says...

I also agree with Mr McGurn - and as for tricky1992000's comment: Lendal Bridge being a quick and direct route... I see the standing traffic on it when it is open to private vehicles and I have to say it certainly doesn't appear quick to me!
I also agree with Mr McGurn - and as for tricky1992000's comment: Lendal Bridge being a quick and direct route... I see the standing traffic on it when it is open to private vehicles and I have to say it certainly doesn't appear quick to me! Jojojojojo
  • Score: -41

12:19pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Big picture says...

Completely agree with Jim. York’s future lies in ambitious policies to make York a compelling place to visit, work, live and enjoy. As York grows, it needs protection from the drive-thru lobby.
Completely agree with Jim. York’s future lies in ambitious policies to make York a compelling place to visit, work, live and enjoy. As York grows, it needs protection from the drive-thru lobby. Big picture
  • Score: -35

12:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

TheManor says...

The pedestrianisation of streets laden with shops has worked to create a more attractive environment for locals and tourists. This is not a shopping street, and neither has it been pedestrianised. It was easier to cross the road when traffic was moving more slowly than it is now, with cyclists, taxis and buses hurtling past. If you want to make Lendal a nice space for tourists, close it entirely to all vehicles and cyclists and put planters in the middle of the road. Otherwise, recognise that this is part of a ring road, and open it back up.
The pedestrianisation of streets laden with shops has worked to create a more attractive environment for locals and tourists. This is not a shopping street, and neither has it been pedestrianised. It was easier to cross the road when traffic was moving more slowly than it is now, with cyclists, taxis and buses hurtling past. If you want to make Lendal a nice space for tourists, close it entirely to all vehicles and cyclists and put planters in the middle of the road. Otherwise, recognise that this is part of a ring road, and open it back up. TheManor
  • Score: 39

12:50pm Thu 20 Feb 14

yellow91 says...

"It’s an incentive to consider train, Park&Ride or good old shanks from their hotels. "

Yes perhaps for those tourists visiting the city.
What about those residents who now have to take significant detours to reach the station?
For those coming from Haxby or Wigginton, reaching the station is now a complete lottery. The bus service is often running behind timetable so you need to leave at least an hour before your planned train. Driving throught the Water Lane area there is increased congestion, with queues often stretching back from Clifton Green to Cannon Lee school. The council site advises you to take the A1237 down to the Rawcliffe Bar roundabout and then take the A19 Shipton Road then head over Clifton Bridge. The A1237 seems to queue at any time of day and this route adds over 2 miles in each direction to the journey length. As opposed to the Haxby Road > Clarence Street > Gillygate > Lendal route.
So for all this love of a cycling city, people are actually having to drive further to reach the station from some neighbourhoods. Taxi Cost (£10+ each way). Trying to drop someone off at the station has turned into a very lengthy process.
But I'm sure the Council are delighted with the income they have brought in from the fines procedure.
"It’s an incentive to consider train, Park&Ride or good old shanks from their hotels. " Yes perhaps for those tourists visiting the city. What about those residents who now have to take significant detours to reach the station? For those coming from Haxby or Wigginton, reaching the station is now a complete lottery. The bus service is often running behind timetable so you need to leave at least an hour before your planned train. Driving throught the Water Lane area there is increased congestion, with queues often stretching back from Clifton Green to Cannon Lee school. The council site advises you to take the A1237 down to the Rawcliffe Bar roundabout and then take the A19 Shipton Road then head over Clifton Bridge. The A1237 seems to queue at any time of day and this route adds over 2 miles in each direction to the journey length. As opposed to the Haxby Road > Clarence Street > Gillygate > Lendal route. So for all this love of a cycling city, people are actually having to drive further to reach the station from some neighbourhoods. Taxi Cost (£10+ each way). Trying to drop someone off at the station has turned into a very lengthy process. But I'm sure the Council are delighted with the income they have brought in from the fines procedure. yellow91
  • Score: 32

1:01pm Thu 20 Feb 14

WhyEver says...

York Urban wrote:
tricky1992000 wrote:
"Let us hear their workable alternatives to York’s traffic problems. "

You won't solve York's traffic problems by making them drive for 10-15 minutes more. The evidence is already there, congestion in other parts of the city has risen. And that is no good for cyclist, resident, pedestrian or motorist. Open Lendal bridge, and you reopen a quick and direct route.
You certainly will if it nudges a proportion of "them" into using an alternative forms of transport. I agree with MrGurn.
You need to nudge a significant amount of car traffic onto alternative modes, to come out ahead. The trial data does not show this happening, most of the car traffic is still in York but has moved to other areas.

As for the letter - anyone from either side claiming "Gridlock!" cannot be taken seriously.
[quote][p][bold]York Urban[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tricky1992000[/bold] wrote: "Let us hear their workable alternatives to York’s traffic problems. " You won't solve York's traffic problems by making them drive for 10-15 minutes more. The evidence is already there, congestion in other parts of the city has risen. And that is no good for cyclist, resident, pedestrian or motorist. Open Lendal bridge, and you reopen a quick and direct route.[/p][/quote]You certainly will if it nudges a proportion of "them" into using an alternative forms of transport. I agree with MrGurn.[/p][/quote]You need to nudge a significant amount of car traffic onto alternative modes, to come out ahead. The trial data does not show this happening, most of the car traffic is still in York but has moved to other areas. As for the letter - anyone from either side claiming "Gridlock!" cannot be taken seriously. WhyEver
  • Score: 20

1:06pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

This week I was waiting at the red light on my bike (yes that's right red light, waiting, bike) at the junction of St Leonard's Place, Duncombe Place and Museum St. The car next to me was indicating right so as to be heading over the bridge.
The passenger window was open so I casually told the occupants they would get a fine if they turned right and went over the bridge. They were so shocked!
They asked if they could go straight on, I said no because the town centre is pedestrianised. They asked if they could turn left, I said they could but they wouldn't get anywhere because it's blocked off by the minster.
They looked totally confused, panicked and humiliated.
"Well where CAN we go?" they asked desperately.

The only option being "Back the way you came. Bye!"

Imagine what that feels like.
This week I was waiting at the red light on my bike (yes that's right red light, waiting, bike) at the junction of St Leonard's Place, Duncombe Place and Museum St. The car next to me was indicating right so as to be heading over the bridge. The passenger window was open so I casually told the occupants they would get a fine if they turned right and went over the bridge. They were so shocked! They asked if they could go straight on, I said no because the town centre is pedestrianised. They asked if they could turn left, I said they could but they wouldn't get anywhere because it's blocked off by the minster. They looked totally confused, panicked and humiliated. "Well where CAN we go?" they asked desperately. The only option being "Back the way you came. Bye!" Imagine what that feels like. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -8

1:27pm Thu 20 Feb 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Jim McGurn:
(The growing visitor figures show no Lendal Bridge factor).

That must be the self and same declining numbers revealed by Conc Merrett on Jonathan Cowap (BBC Radio) last week, hence the need to spend £millions doing reinvigorate York. Furthermore no numbers have been quoted post the restriction except for events.

Jim McGurn:
(The small number of reactionary gentlemen, who write such sneering letters to The Press).

The so called small number sneering or otherwise is an incredibly larger number that those who support the restrictions, a number the council can ignore but can't manipulate.

Jim McGurn:
(City of York Council has been brave in its attempt to make Lendal Bridge into a pleasant experience for hundreds of thousands of residents and tourists).

The City of York Council has been blind and accepting of the unpleasant experience of 10's of thousands of tourists and 10's of thousands of residents daily.

You can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig, the Lendal Bridge tragedy inflicted willingly by the council does nothing to address the stated objectives of the trial.

Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.
Jim McGurn: (The growing visitor figures show no Lendal Bridge factor). That must be the self and same declining numbers revealed by Conc Merrett on Jonathan Cowap (BBC Radio) last week, hence the need to spend £millions doing reinvigorate York. Furthermore no numbers have been quoted post the restriction except for events. Jim McGurn: (The small number of reactionary gentlemen, who write such sneering letters to The Press). The so called small number sneering or otherwise is an incredibly larger number that those who support the restrictions, a number the council can ignore but can't manipulate. Jim McGurn: (City of York Council has been brave in its attempt to make Lendal Bridge into a pleasant experience for hundreds of thousands of residents and tourists). The City of York Council has been blind and accepting of the unpleasant experience of 10's of thousands of tourists and 10's of thousands of residents daily. You can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig, the Lendal Bridge tragedy inflicted willingly by the council does nothing to address the stated objectives of the trial. Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 38

1:44pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.

They were removed for different reasons.
[quote]Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.[/quote] They were removed for different reasons. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -4

1:46pm Thu 20 Feb 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.

They were removed for different reasons.
What were the reasons….?.

Would be good to know, thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.[/quote] They were removed for different reasons.[/p][/quote]What were the reasons….?. Would be good to know, thanks. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 13

1:48pm Thu 20 Feb 14

PeteKilbane says...

Well said Jim McGurn. The problem is that there are too many people making too many car journeys on York's roads. It makes the city misreable for everyone, including drivers. We need people to to make less car journeys. You can reduce car use by providing carrots to leave the car at home (reliable buses, cycling infrastructure) or using sticks such as reducing the road space available (Lendal Bridge). Not surprisingly people don't like the stick bit, but it is what we have to do if we are serious about dealing with traffic blight.
Well said Jim McGurn. The problem is that there are too many people making too many car journeys on York's roads. It makes the city misreable for everyone, including drivers. We need people to to make less car journeys. You can reduce car use by providing carrots to leave the car at home (reliable buses, cycling infrastructure) or using sticks such as reducing the road space available (Lendal Bridge). Not surprisingly people don't like the stick bit, but it is what we have to do if we are serious about dealing with traffic blight. PeteKilbane
  • Score: -30

3:44pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ichabod76 says...

PeteKilbane wrote:
Well said Jim McGurn. The problem is that there are too many people making too many car journeys on York's roads. It makes the city misreable for everyone, including drivers. We need people to to make less car journeys. You can reduce car use by providing carrots to leave the car at home (reliable buses, cycling infrastructure) or using sticks such as reducing the road space available (Lendal Bridge). Not surprisingly people don't like the stick bit, but it is what we have to do if we are serious about dealing with traffic blight.
Same drivel that you write on your website !
[quote][p][bold]PeteKilbane[/bold] wrote: Well said Jim McGurn. The problem is that there are too many people making too many car journeys on York's roads. It makes the city misreable for everyone, including drivers. We need people to to make less car journeys. You can reduce car use by providing carrots to leave the car at home (reliable buses, cycling infrastructure) or using sticks such as reducing the road space available (Lendal Bridge). Not surprisingly people don't like the stick bit, but it is what we have to do if we are serious about dealing with traffic blight.[/p][/quote]Same drivel that you write on your website ! Ichabod76
  • Score: 15

3:50pm Thu 20 Feb 14

PeteKilbane says...

That's not very polite, and I don't have a website.
That's not very polite, and I don't have a website. PeteKilbane
  • Score: -11

3:54pm Thu 20 Feb 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Jim McGurn
"The small number of reactionary gentlemen, who write such sneering letters to The Press, often employing the most ludicrous conspiracy theory, would do better to come up with their own solutions to gridlock, air pollution and civic degradation"
Now come on Jim that is no way to speak of 80% of the population. You would think a businessman selling bikes would know better than to alienate the vast majority of his perspective customers helped in his direction by things like - the closure of Lendal Bridge.

Here is an alternative for you Jim. The council say volume of traffic in York is now less than it was in 2002 and since 2006 pollution has risen by up to 80%. Now correct me if I am wrong but was it not about 2006 that the council started with all this "nudging" (bullying) or as Mr Merrett put it yesterday "constraining". Now putting 2 and 2 together I would suggest we look at all of the anti car schemes put in since 2006 and take them out again, Lendal Bridge included. We did not need them to reduce the volume of traffic between 2002 and 2006 when traffic volumes decreased so why do we need them now?
Jim McGurn "The small number of reactionary gentlemen, who write such sneering letters to The Press, often employing the most ludicrous conspiracy theory, would do better to come up with their own solutions to gridlock, air pollution and civic degradation" Now come on Jim that is no way to speak of 80% of the population. You would think a businessman selling bikes would know better than to alienate the vast majority of his perspective customers helped in his direction by things like - the closure of Lendal Bridge. Here is an alternative for you Jim. The council say volume of traffic in York is now less than it was in 2002 and since 2006 pollution has risen by up to 80%. Now correct me if I am wrong but was it not about 2006 that the council started with all this "nudging" (bullying) or as Mr Merrett put it yesterday "constraining". Now putting 2 and 2 together I would suggest we look at all of the anti car schemes put in since 2006 and take them out again, Lendal Bridge included. We did not need them to reduce the volume of traffic between 2002 and 2006 when traffic volumes decreased so why do we need them now? strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 23

3:59pm Thu 20 Feb 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Sorry meant 48% increase in pollution. getting my numbers mixed up with those against the closure that is 80%.
Sorry meant 48% increase in pollution. getting my numbers mixed up with those against the closure that is 80%. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 20

4:08pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

York doesn't have a traffic problem. it has a common sense problem. If ycc looked at the signal configurations and opened routes or on purpose which made some routes quicker then others then trafic would flow. The sequences of lights and road layouts are terrible.. its a pet hate of mine when travelling around in my devil car. poppleton road bridge why have a red light for car users for cyclists to turn left from the pavement? i have been taught how to ride a bike and it was be on the road in the right lane. Micklegate- why not ease the burden on the station area by increasing the amount of cars that pass though i.e 4 at a time. The barbican needs lights removing. going past there and having lights for right hand turns etc is not required. why not rely on people letting others out? after all now lendal is shut cars are motionless there so its pretty easy... i love York when a the traffic lights go out as traffic actually flows better. people observe more and it actually works. the current routes are planned back in the 90's and never examined. they are to busy doing stupid schemes like this rather then thinking hmmmm people will take the quickest route to a destination. fact.
York doesn't have a traffic problem. it has a common sense problem. If ycc looked at the signal configurations and opened routes or on purpose which made some routes quicker then others then trafic would flow. The sequences of lights and road layouts are terrible.. its a pet hate of mine when travelling around in my devil car. poppleton road bridge why have a red light for car users for cyclists to turn left from the pavement? i have been taught how to ride a bike and it was be on the road in the right lane. Micklegate- why not ease the burden on the station area by increasing the amount of cars that pass though i.e 4 at a time. The barbican needs lights removing. going past there and having lights for right hand turns etc is not required. why not rely on people letting others out? after all now lendal is shut cars are motionless there so its pretty easy... i love York when a the traffic lights go out as traffic actually flows better. people observe more and it actually works. the current routes are planned back in the 90's and never examined. they are to busy doing stupid schemes like this rather then thinking hmmmm people will take the quickest route to a destination. fact. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 15

4:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
York doesn't have a traffic problem. it has a common sense problem. If ycc looked at the signal configurations and opened routes or on purpose which made some routes quicker then others then trafic would flow. The sequences of lights and road layouts are terrible.. its a pet hate of mine when travelling around in my devil car. poppleton road bridge why have a red light for car users for cyclists to turn left from the pavement? i have been taught how to ride a bike and it was be on the road in the right lane. Micklegate- why not ease the burden on the station area by increasing the amount of cars that pass though i.e 4 at a time. The barbican needs lights removing. going past there and having lights for right hand turns etc is not required. why not rely on people letting others out? after all now lendal is shut cars are motionless there so its pretty easy... i love York when a the traffic lights go out as traffic actually flows better. people observe more and it actually works. the current routes are planned back in the 90's and never examined. they are to busy doing stupid schemes like this rather then thinking hmmmm people will take the quickest route to a destination. fact.
meant right...
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: York doesn't have a traffic problem. it has a common sense problem. If ycc looked at the signal configurations and opened routes or on purpose which made some routes quicker then others then trafic would flow. The sequences of lights and road layouts are terrible.. its a pet hate of mine when travelling around in my devil car. poppleton road bridge why have a red light for car users for cyclists to turn left from the pavement? i have been taught how to ride a bike and it was be on the road in the right lane. Micklegate- why not ease the burden on the station area by increasing the amount of cars that pass though i.e 4 at a time. The barbican needs lights removing. going past there and having lights for right hand turns etc is not required. why not rely on people letting others out? after all now lendal is shut cars are motionless there so its pretty easy... i love York when a the traffic lights go out as traffic actually flows better. people observe more and it actually works. the current routes are planned back in the 90's and never examined. they are to busy doing stupid schemes like this rather then thinking hmmmm people will take the quickest route to a destination. fact.[/p][/quote]meant right... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 11

4:20pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.
They were removed for different reasons.
What were the reasons….?. Would be good to know, thanks.
Not bridge closure specific.
It was all that Marxist conspiracy nonsense what did it.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.[/quote] They were removed for different reasons.[/p][/quote]What were the reasons….?. Would be good to know, thanks.[/p][/quote]Not bridge closure specific. It was all that Marxist conspiracy nonsense what did it. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 2

5:06pm Thu 20 Feb 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

Light blue touch paper and retire immediately.....
Light blue touch paper and retire immediately..... MarkyMarkMark
  • Score: -12

9:21pm Thu 20 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

MarkyMarkMark wrote:
Light blue touch paper and retire immediately.....
What a brilliant idea...have some blue touch paper of mine! Meanwhile let's see who joins the rush to grab the car user vote at the next local elections. Amazing how sane transport policies tend to disappear out of the window round about that time.
[quote][p][bold]MarkyMarkMark[/bold] wrote: Light blue touch paper and retire immediately.....[/p][/quote]What a brilliant idea...have some blue touch paper of mine! Meanwhile let's see who joins the rush to grab the car user vote at the next local elections. Amazing how sane transport policies tend to disappear out of the window round about that time. pedalling paul
  • Score: -17

10:06pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Olga P says...

Well said Jim - There's always going to be some tears when the baby's dummy's taken away for the first time. But they soon grow up and realise that if this had carried on for much longer everyone would have been laughing at them. It's time for York to grow up and realise its own potential. It doesn't have to gravitate around Lendal Bridge. This isn't the bigger picture. The bridge closure helps maintain our thriving city and I hope there will a lot more beyond that.
Well said Jim - There's always going to be some tears when the baby's dummy's taken away for the first time. But they soon grow up and realise that if this had carried on for much longer everyone would have been laughing at them. It's time for York to grow up and realise its own potential. It doesn't have to gravitate around Lendal Bridge. This isn't the bigger picture. The bridge closure helps maintain our thriving city and I hope there will a lot more beyond that. Olga P
  • Score: -10

10:35pm Thu 20 Feb 14

GreenJune says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Jim McGurn:
(The growing visitor figures show no Lendal Bridge factor).

That must be the self and same declining numbers revealed by Conc Merrett on Jonathan Cowap (BBC Radio) last week, hence the need to spend £millions doing reinvigorate York. Furthermore no numbers have been quoted post the restriction except for events.

Jim McGurn:
(The small number of reactionary gentlemen, who write such sneering letters to The Press).

The so called small number sneering or otherwise is an incredibly larger number that those who support the restrictions, a number the council can ignore but can't manipulate.

Jim McGurn:
(City of York Council has been brave in its attempt to make Lendal Bridge into a pleasant experience for hundreds of thousands of residents and tourists).

The City of York Council has been blind and accepting of the unpleasant experience of 10's of thousands of tourists and 10's of thousands of residents daily.

You can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig, the Lendal Bridge tragedy inflicted willingly by the council does nothing to address the stated objectives of the trial.

Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.
Sorry - I accidentally voted +1 for this comment! I do not agree with you. The objectors to the changes on Lendal Bridge are all being very dramatic in their insistence that they must drive their cars everywhere. Dependence on cars is not a human right, and I wish that the council would do more to change the traffic than just move the car drivers elsewhere. Of course people have to get to the station and the hospital. We have to have public transport that works and one of the main obstacles to buses getting anywhere on time is the logjam of cars. Tourists do not have to come into town in their cars either. Many arrive by train. Would be good to know the comparative numbers with car drivers. Please think twice before just hopping in your car and adding to the problem. We all have to share the air, and it does improve when there are fewer cars around. At least Dave Merritt is trying to make a difference. I didn't vote for his party but I don't believe he has some evil agenda. He is genuinely concerned to make a difference.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Jim McGurn: (The growing visitor figures show no Lendal Bridge factor). That must be the self and same declining numbers revealed by Conc Merrett on Jonathan Cowap (BBC Radio) last week, hence the need to spend £millions doing reinvigorate York. Furthermore no numbers have been quoted post the restriction except for events. Jim McGurn: (The small number of reactionary gentlemen, who write such sneering letters to The Press). The so called small number sneering or otherwise is an incredibly larger number that those who support the restrictions, a number the council can ignore but can't manipulate. Jim McGurn: (City of York Council has been brave in its attempt to make Lendal Bridge into a pleasant experience for hundreds of thousands of residents and tourists). The City of York Council has been blind and accepting of the unpleasant experience of 10's of thousands of tourists and 10's of thousands of residents daily. You can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig, the Lendal Bridge tragedy inflicted willingly by the council does nothing to address the stated objectives of the trial. Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.[/p][/quote]Sorry - I accidentally voted +1 for this comment! I do not agree with you. The objectors to the changes on Lendal Bridge are all being very dramatic in their insistence that they must drive their cars everywhere. Dependence on cars is not a human right, and I wish that the council would do more to change the traffic than just move the car drivers elsewhere. Of course people have to get to the station and the hospital. We have to have public transport that works and one of the main obstacles to buses getting anywhere on time is the logjam of cars. Tourists do not have to come into town in their cars either. Many arrive by train. Would be good to know the comparative numbers with car drivers. Please think twice before just hopping in your car and adding to the problem. We all have to share the air, and it does improve when there are fewer cars around. At least Dave Merritt is trying to make a difference. I didn't vote for his party but I don't believe he has some evil agenda. He is genuinely concerned to make a difference. GreenJune
  • Score: -14

12:33am Fri 21 Feb 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

GreenJune wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Jim McGurn:
(The growing visitor figures show no Lendal Bridge factor).

That must be the self and same declining numbers revealed by Conc Merrett on Jonathan Cowap (BBC Radio) last week, hence the need to spend £millions doing reinvigorate York. Furthermore no numbers have been quoted post the restriction except for events.

Jim McGurn:
(The small number of reactionary gentlemen, who write such sneering letters to The Press).

The so called small number sneering or otherwise is an incredibly larger number that those who support the restrictions, a number the council can ignore but can't manipulate.

Jim McGurn:
(City of York Council has been brave in its attempt to make Lendal Bridge into a pleasant experience for hundreds of thousands of residents and tourists).

The City of York Council has been blind and accepting of the unpleasant experience of 10's of thousands of tourists and 10's of thousands of residents daily.

You can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig, the Lendal Bridge tragedy inflicted willingly by the council does nothing to address the stated objectives of the trial.

Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.
Sorry - I accidentally voted +1 for this comment! I do not agree with you. The objectors to the changes on Lendal Bridge are all being very dramatic in their insistence that they must drive their cars everywhere. Dependence on cars is not a human right, and I wish that the council would do more to change the traffic than just move the car drivers elsewhere. Of course people have to get to the station and the hospital. We have to have public transport that works and one of the main obstacles to buses getting anywhere on time is the logjam of cars. Tourists do not have to come into town in their cars either. Many arrive by train. Would be good to know the comparative numbers with car drivers. Please think twice before just hopping in your car and adding to the problem. We all have to share the air, and it does improve when there are fewer cars around. At least Dave Merritt is trying to make a difference. I didn't vote for his party but I don't believe he has some evil agenda. He is genuinely concerned to make a difference.
Probably one of the most disingenuous apologies I have ever received.

The remainder is full of contradiction, it supports increased air pollution and congestion whilst focusing on a minor ineffective sporadic visual benefit.

Genuine improvement results in change, but because there is no difference then there is no improvement, the sum is the same, the distribution is all that has been effected.

Please think twice before supporting poorly thought out inflationary traffic management projects that result in more of want you want to see reduced (congestion, pollution).
[quote][p][bold]GreenJune[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Jim McGurn: (The growing visitor figures show no Lendal Bridge factor). That must be the self and same declining numbers revealed by Conc Merrett on Jonathan Cowap (BBC Radio) last week, hence the need to spend £millions doing reinvigorate York. Furthermore no numbers have been quoted post the restriction except for events. Jim McGurn: (The small number of reactionary gentlemen, who write such sneering letters to The Press). The so called small number sneering or otherwise is an incredibly larger number that those who support the restrictions, a number the council can ignore but can't manipulate. Jim McGurn: (City of York Council has been brave in its attempt to make Lendal Bridge into a pleasant experience for hundreds of thousands of residents and tourists). The City of York Council has been blind and accepting of the unpleasant experience of 10's of thousands of tourists and 10's of thousands of residents daily. You can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig, the Lendal Bridge tragedy inflicted willingly by the council does nothing to address the stated objectives of the trial. Will we have supporting letter 3 tomorrow and will the comments remain visible on this one or like yesterdays be removed.[/p][/quote]Sorry - I accidentally voted +1 for this comment! I do not agree with you. The objectors to the changes on Lendal Bridge are all being very dramatic in their insistence that they must drive their cars everywhere. Dependence on cars is not a human right, and I wish that the council would do more to change the traffic than just move the car drivers elsewhere. Of course people have to get to the station and the hospital. We have to have public transport that works and one of the main obstacles to buses getting anywhere on time is the logjam of cars. Tourists do not have to come into town in their cars either. Many arrive by train. Would be good to know the comparative numbers with car drivers. Please think twice before just hopping in your car and adding to the problem. We all have to share the air, and it does improve when there are fewer cars around. At least Dave Merritt is trying to make a difference. I didn't vote for his party but I don't believe he has some evil agenda. He is genuinely concerned to make a difference.[/p][/quote]Probably one of the most disingenuous apologies I have ever received. The remainder is full of contradiction, it supports increased air pollution and congestion whilst focusing on a minor ineffective sporadic visual benefit. Genuine improvement results in change, but because there is no difference then there is no improvement, the sum is the same, the distribution is all that has been effected. Please think twice before supporting poorly thought out inflationary traffic management projects that result in more of want you want to see reduced (congestion, pollution). YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 10

2:24am Fri 21 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

Looks like somebody else has found out how to hack the voting system, judging by the top comment.

Anyway... I will expect a letter within the next 4 days stating that somebody is comparing York to Chester and just so happens to have decide to go to Chester, because that's completely a unique type of letter never before seen in the press.
Looks like somebody else has found out how to hack the voting system, judging by the top comment. Anyway... I will expect a letter within the next 4 days stating that somebody is comparing York to Chester and just so happens to have decide to go to Chester, because that's completely a unique type of letter never before seen in the press. Magicman!
  • Score: -5

9:24am Fri 21 Feb 14

mjgyork says...

At last a letter that makes any kind of sense. I cycle out through through the nose to tail that is Bootham at 8:30, . But not this week. Usually most of the traffic seems to consist of 4x4 tanks with one child being taken to school. This scheme is not the, or even a 'solution'. But it is a start. Ultimately more radical thinking is needed. I work at a hotel next to York Minster. Not one guest has even mentioned the bridge closure to me. I am sure that the tory-voting mouse-clickers will be busy again. And no. I didn't vote for the present incumbents either.
At last a letter that makes any kind of sense. I cycle out through through the nose to tail that is Bootham at 8:30, . But not this week. Usually most of the traffic seems to consist of 4x4 tanks with one child being taken to school. This scheme is not the, or even a 'solution'. But it is a start. Ultimately more radical thinking is needed. I work at a hotel next to York Minster. Not one guest has even mentioned the bridge closure to me. I am sure that the tory-voting mouse-clickers will be busy again. And no. I didn't vote for the present incumbents either. mjgyork
  • Score: -7

1:37pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Bo Jolly says...

pedalling paul wrote:
MarkyMarkMark wrote:
Light blue touch paper and retire immediately.....
What a brilliant idea...have some blue touch paper of mine! Meanwhile let's see who joins the rush to grab the car user vote at the next local elections. Amazing how sane transport policies tend to disappear out of the window round about that time.
Perhaps because of the very large number of people who need to use motorised transport (in one way or another) versus the very small number of anti-car cranks pushing policies like the Lendal Bridge closure.

Which makes it all the more astonishing that the Labour Party are pushing on with this incredibly unpopular scheme (and that they haven't sacked Anna Semlyen yet for her view that democracy should only apply to those who support the her views on 20mph).
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkyMarkMark[/bold] wrote: Light blue touch paper and retire immediately.....[/p][/quote]What a brilliant idea...have some blue touch paper of mine! Meanwhile let's see who joins the rush to grab the car user vote at the next local elections. Amazing how sane transport policies tend to disappear out of the window round about that time.[/p][/quote]Perhaps because of the very large number of people who need to use motorised transport (in one way or another) versus the very small number of anti-car cranks pushing policies like the Lendal Bridge closure. Which makes it all the more astonishing that the Labour Party are pushing on with this incredibly unpopular scheme (and that they haven't sacked Anna Semlyen yet for her view that democracy should only apply to those who support the her views on 20mph). Bo Jolly
  • Score: -1

2:17pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Bo Jolly says...

mjgyork wrote:
At last a letter that makes any kind of sense. I cycle out through through the nose to tail that is Bootham at 8:30, . But not this week. Usually most of the traffic seems to consist of 4x4 tanks with one child being taken to school. This scheme is not the, or even a 'solution'. But it is a start. Ultimately more radical thinking is needed. I work at a hotel next to York Minster. Not one guest has even mentioned the bridge closure to me. I am sure that the tory-voting mouse-clickers will be busy again. And no. I didn't vote for the present incumbents either.
"tory-voting mouse-clickers" - strange how the Tories aren't in power then when last week's Press poll showed 82% against the bridge closure. I think you - and Jonthan - are barking up the wrong tree in trying to re-brand the bridge closure by implication as somehow 'left wing', only opposed by the forces of reaction.
[quote][p][bold]mjgyork[/bold] wrote: At last a letter that makes any kind of sense. I cycle out through through the nose to tail that is Bootham at 8:30, . But not this week. Usually most of the traffic seems to consist of 4x4 tanks with one child being taken to school. This scheme is not the, or even a 'solution'. But it is a start. Ultimately more radical thinking is needed. I work at a hotel next to York Minster. Not one guest has even mentioned the bridge closure to me. I am sure that the tory-voting mouse-clickers will be busy again. And no. I didn't vote for the present incumbents either.[/p][/quote]"tory-voting mouse-clickers" - strange how the Tories aren't in power then when last week's Press poll showed 82% against the bridge closure. I think you - and Jonthan - are barking up the wrong tree in trying to re-brand the bridge closure by implication as somehow 'left wing', only opposed by the forces of reaction. Bo Jolly
  • Score: -3

11:00am Sat 22 Feb 14

finlay123 says...

Open the bridge! 'its progress Jim but not as you like it' as spock might say
Open the bridge! 'its progress Jim but not as you like it' as spock might say finlay123
  • Score: -3

12:54pm Sat 22 Feb 14

mjgyork says...

last week's Press poll showed 82% against the bridge closure.
I have seen this oft quoted poll, but no evidence of how it was collected, who was asked, what were they asked etc. It is nevertheless sometimes necessary for politicians to advocate policies which will be unpopular. That is why we elect them. The abolition of capital punishment was unpopular then and remains so. That does not make it a 'wrong' policy. Simply to pander to the 'dictatorship of the majority' will not provide a solution to traffic management or anything else. Nor will scaremongering, or party political point scoring.
last week's Press poll showed 82% against the bridge closure. I have seen this oft quoted poll, but no evidence of how it was collected, who was asked, what were they asked etc. It is nevertheless sometimes necessary for politicians to advocate policies which will be unpopular. That is why we elect them. The abolition of capital punishment was unpopular then and remains so. That does not make it a 'wrong' policy. Simply to pander to the 'dictatorship of the majority' will not provide a solution to traffic management or anything else. Nor will scaremongering, or party political point scoring. mjgyork
  • Score: 4

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