Great for cyclists, but what about the rest?

September last year and a number of roads in York were closed to traffic as a Sky Ride event was staged in the city. Commuters can expect more diversions and delays when the Grand Depart, the opening stages of the Tour de France, arrive in York in July

September last year and a number of roads in York were closed to traffic as a Sky Ride event was staged in the city. Commuters can expect more diversions and delays when the Grand Depart, the opening stages of the Tour de France, arrive in York in July

First published in Letters by

It may come as a surprise to some that not everyone is thrilled by the prospect of the disruption caused by the big bike race through York in July.

Now I find from the latest council “comic” that several other biking events are now also planned for March to June.

How are ordinary citizens to go about their normal business during these races? How will people get to work?

How is anyone west of the Ouse to get York Hospital?

How is anyone east of the Ouse to get to the railway station? Despite all the evidence to the contrary, the Lendal Bridge trial will probably have been deemed a success by then and closed permanently; Clifton and Skeldergate bridges will be cordoned off for some of the races, leaving only Ouse Bridge and the A64. Buses will be in meltdown. It will be chaos.

The lycra brigade and the council will, of course, say how much money the event will bring to York businesses, but how much benefit will ordinary taxpayer see?

Colin Richardson, Hobgate, York.

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2:18pm Mon 17 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

The writer seems to live within practicable cycling, walking and bus journey distance of the city centre........
The writer seems to live within practicable cycling, walking and bus journey distance of the city centre........ pedalling paul
  • Score: 10

3:39pm Mon 17 Feb 14

skyride leader says...

We drive, we cycle, we use buses and we use our legs! Having restrictions for a small number of hours on this day to encourage people to get fitter and healthier - the problem is what??????? YOu have plenty of notice to make alternative arrangement!! how many roads are damaged/ fatalities/ damage to the ozone caused by the use of cars/ buses etc stop blooming moaning and congratulate york for doing our best to encourage healthier fitter people of all ages and abilities :-)
We drive, we cycle, we use buses and we use our legs! Having restrictions for a small number of hours on this day to encourage people to get fitter and healthier - the problem is what??????? YOu have plenty of notice to make alternative arrangement!! how many roads are damaged/ fatalities/ damage to the ozone caused by the use of cars/ buses etc stop blooming moaning and congratulate york for doing our best to encourage healthier fitter people of all ages and abilities :-) skyride leader
  • Score: 14

3:50pm Mon 17 Feb 14

PlanetTea says...

In response to the letter and the two comments, not everyone is able to walk or bike to their work. For example I work in Malton and therefore have to drive through Clifton and on to the A64, so for myself and many others it will be even more of a nightmare getting work during the biking races.

Saying that, I don't mind in the slightest, I think its wonderful that York arranges events like these and the writer needs to get over it and quit complaining.
In response to the letter and the two comments, not everyone is able to walk or bike to their work. For example I work in Malton and therefore have to drive through Clifton and on to the A64, so for myself and many others it will be even more of a nightmare getting work during the biking races. Saying that, I don't mind in the slightest, I think its wonderful that York arranges events like these and the writer needs to get over it and quit complaining. PlanetTea
  • Score: 40

4:08pm Mon 17 Feb 14

roadwars says...

Rant, rant, rant, lycra, rant, bridge, rant, brigade, rant, rant.
Rant, rant, rant, lycra, rant, bridge, rant, brigade, rant, rant. roadwars
  • Score: 23

4:44pm Mon 17 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

roadwars wrote:
Rant, rant, rant, lycra, rant, bridge, rant, brigade, rant, rant.
ding a ling a ling................
.!
[quote][p][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: Rant, rant, rant, lycra, rant, bridge, rant, brigade, rant, rant.[/p][/quote]ding a ling a ling................ .! pedalling paul
  • Score: 11

5:00pm Mon 17 Feb 14

BioLogic says...

I really wish the 'cycling lobby' shuck as piddling paul and Skyride leader would quit with their ill advised postings as they do no service whatsoever to the sport and only serve to harm the cause they claim to hold so dear.

The reality of the situation is that York simply does not have the quality and quantity of public transport links to make 'alternative' transport methods (i.e something other than a car) a viable transport alternative for most. The buses run on a limited number of routes are too infrequent and too expensive to be useful, especially to the business community.

Taking the example of London there are such excellent integrated transport links that simply by getting on a rain in york I can get wherever I need within the north and south circular without even contemplating the need for a car. In York that simply isn't possible, the buses are not integrated, the routes too limited and the service too poor to be a meaningful business transport. Cycling doesn't provide the opportunity to get to and fro without being wet/dirty/sweaty/col
d or any combination of these, which is just not viable or acceptable.

And the much vaunted park and ride is useless for those who don't work in the city centre all day. To park and then ride takes easily twice as long as driving and parking locally to your intended destination. That wasted time is valuable to many and is worth a lot more than the ever rinsing cost of city centre parking.

The net result of all of this is that if you apply the stick before the carrot is available or usable, small and medium businesses will simply go elsewhere, Mine did. The company was moved outside the city because the cost of doing business in York was too high.

So the highbrow approach not only makes you sound condesending it is also misguided and perhaps even a little foolish, considering the consequences of getting it wrong, and right now CYC is getting it wrong in a big way. Time will tell on these transport policies, the sad thing is that by the time it does, it is already too late.
I really wish the 'cycling lobby' shuck as piddling paul and Skyride leader would quit with their ill advised postings as they do no service whatsoever to the sport and only serve to harm the cause they claim to hold so dear. The reality of the situation is that York simply does not have the quality and quantity of public transport links to make 'alternative' transport methods (i.e something other than a car) a viable transport alternative for most. The buses run on a limited number of routes are too infrequent and too expensive to be useful, especially to the business community. Taking the example of London there are such excellent integrated transport links that simply by getting on a rain in york I can get wherever I need within the north and south circular without even contemplating the need for a car. In York that simply isn't possible, the buses are not integrated, the routes too limited and the service too poor to be a meaningful business transport. Cycling doesn't provide the opportunity to get to and fro without being wet/dirty/sweaty/col d or any combination of these, which is just not viable or acceptable. And the much vaunted park and ride is useless for those who don't work in the city centre all day. To park and then ride takes easily twice as long as driving and parking locally to your intended destination. That wasted time is valuable to many and is worth a lot more than the ever rinsing cost of city centre parking. The net result of all of this is that if you apply the stick before the carrot is available or usable, small and medium businesses will simply go elsewhere, Mine did. The company was moved outside the city because the cost of doing business in York was too high. So the highbrow approach not only makes you sound condesending it is also misguided and perhaps even a little foolish, considering the consequences of getting it wrong, and right now CYC is getting it wrong in a big way. Time will tell on these transport policies, the sad thing is that by the time it does, it is already too late. BioLogic
  • Score: -12

5:12pm Mon 17 Feb 14

wallman says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The writer seems to live within practicable cycling, walking and bus journey distance of the city centre........
you have my disability and I will cycle, walk or get a bus like to swop?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The writer seems to live within practicable cycling, walking and bus journey distance of the city centre........[/p][/quote]you have my disability and I will cycle, walk or get a bus like to swop? wallman
  • Score: 5

5:16pm Mon 17 Feb 14

skyride leader says...

Are we not talking about restricted one day passes on bridges, surely the transport issue is another matter?
The article was for one day only, the amount of people that attended last year and rode adaptable bikes for the first time in years was a success in itself.
So if for one day you can't put them first in a selfless way than that's a shame and I'm glad you aren't part of the sport and leisure team :-(
It will be a pain in the butt for myself as I need to commute that day but I have plenty if alternatives as I'm not less abled than others
So may I suggest you think about those people less abled than yourself whom this event will benefit greatly!!
Are we not talking about restricted one day passes on bridges, surely the transport issue is another matter? The article was for one day only, the amount of people that attended last year and rode adaptable bikes for the first time in years was a success in itself. So if for one day you can't put them first in a selfless way than that's a shame and I'm glad you aren't part of the sport and leisure team :-( It will be a pain in the butt for myself as I need to commute that day but I have plenty if alternatives as I'm not less abled than others So may I suggest you think about those people less abled than yourself whom this event will benefit greatly!! skyride leader
  • Score: 19

6:06pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Yorkieand says...

Mr Richardson, like others before him, is just letting his family, friends and neighbours know what a miserable so and so he is.
Mr Richardson, like others before him, is just letting his family, friends and neighbours know what a miserable so and so he is. Yorkieand
  • Score: 9

6:17pm Mon 17 Feb 14

BioLogic says...

skyride leader wrote:
Are we not talking about restricted one day passes on bridges, surely the transport issue is another matter?
The article was for one day only, the amount of people that attended last year and rode adaptable bikes for the first time in years was a success in itself.
So if for one day you can't put them first in a selfless way than that's a shame and I'm glad you aren't part of the sport and leisure team :-(
It will be a pain in the butt for myself as I need to commute that day but I have plenty if alternatives as I'm not less abled than others
So may I suggest you think about those people less abled than yourself whom this event will benefit greatly!!
You have deafly avoided my point about the counterproductive nature of the berating you offer up. In doing so you offer up another berating to someone simply stating the facts of the situation without the spin. Well done. Mission accomplished.
[quote][p][bold]skyride leader[/bold] wrote: Are we not talking about restricted one day passes on bridges, surely the transport issue is another matter? The article was for one day only, the amount of people that attended last year and rode adaptable bikes for the first time in years was a success in itself. So if for one day you can't put them first in a selfless way than that's a shame and I'm glad you aren't part of the sport and leisure team :-( It will be a pain in the butt for myself as I need to commute that day but I have plenty if alternatives as I'm not less abled than others So may I suggest you think about those people less abled than yourself whom this event will benefit greatly!![/p][/quote]You have deafly avoided my point about the counterproductive nature of the berating you offer up. In doing so you offer up another berating to someone simply stating the facts of the situation without the spin. Well done. Mission accomplished. BioLogic
  • Score: -6

10:34pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Pinza-C55 says...

I have the same interest in watching several hundred people cycling as I have in one person cycling.......absolu
tely zero.

"Give them bread and circuses".
I have the same interest in watching several hundred people cycling as I have in one person cycling.......absolu tely zero. "Give them bread and circuses". Pinza-C55
  • Score: -12

11:25pm Mon 17 Feb 14

wallman says...

I get -10 votes for going against pp you sad people
I get -10 votes for going against pp you sad people wallman
  • Score: -16

2:58am Tue 18 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

If the city centre is having a lot of streets closed off for one day, then why not go a step further for that day: put a shuttle bus in place every 10 minutes connecting the rail station, nunnery lane car park, tower car park, kent street, foss bank, union terrace car park, the hospital, and marygate car park - make it free for that one day, and then place restrictions on Ouse Bridge that only traffic that has previously applied for a permit can go over the bridge on that day, or for medical emergencies. That way people who are driving to the city centre can park in one of the inner orbital car parks and get the free bus - and if a subsidy was provided so all normal bus fares were only 50% of the normal fare on that day then more people would be able to use the bus - the free shuttle bus connecting with the Park and Ride routes as well as normal services; and by restricting access over the river to those who have permits on the day, it then keeps the road space open for the highest priority road vehicles in the city: vehicles of high multiple occupancy such as buses. If you're driving and need to cross the city, then use the A64... if it will make your journey 20 minutes longer then get out of bed 20 minutes earlier - it's only for ONE DAY....

As a side note regarding buses, York's bus fares are too high it is simple as that.... National Express West Midlands has a 'daysaver' ticket priced at £3.90 - it is only 20p more than First York's day ticket of £3.70, but it covers the entire city of Birmingham and outlying areas such as Dudley: an area which York could fit in to 5 or 6 times over. First Manchester last year trialled a policy of reducing fares across the board, the trial was a success because passenger numbers increased exponentially... why do you think pound shops are thriving even though their products are at much reduced prices? because people buy more of the product from that supplier when it costs less, but because people buy more the company makes more money - so for buses, if you offered fares at 50% of the current rate, people would be more inclined to make more journeys by bus: people who currently only use buses for 1 of every 6 journeys would likely use buses for 4 of every 6 journeys if fares were lower. The current problem besides fares in York is the bus network is too centre-focused... I live in Huntington but if I want to go to B&Q at Hull Road on a Sunday then I have to get a bus into the city centre and then another one out to Hull Road, a journey time of 40-60 minutes; whereas I can cycle over there in 20 minutes whilst walking takes 60... if somebody in Strensall wants to buy groceries at Asda they have to get a 5 to Yearsley bridge / byland avenue, cross the road, and wait for a number 12 to monks cross, because there is no direct bus going strensall-monks cross-city centre.... and evening buses are an absolute joke; before now I have come out of Tesco at Askham Bar just after the last number 3 bus to the city has left, and checking timetables of every single bus service that goes from that end of Tadcaster road to the city centre draws a blank for at least half an hour, but usually 40 minutes.... on more than one occasion I have walked home from Askham Bar to Huntington,and it is as I am putting my key into the door that the number 13 bus goes by, the bus I would have got as a number 12 at Askham Bar (the bus changes number in the evening, foxwood to city as a 12 and then from city to haxby as a 13... you know, just to make the bus network that little bit more confusing for no reason whatsoever)... if I can walk 4-6 miles along key suburban roads with no buses going my way at all (this also includes the number 5 too) then there is a serious lack of provision. Some people may say "there's not many buses because people don't use them", but that's the knub of the issue: people don't use buses if they are not flexible to a person's lifestyle. If you are working on a rota pattern and so start/finish times vary, are you going to use a bus that only comes once every hour, every 2 hours, and/or takes ages to get there??
If the city centre is having a lot of streets closed off for one day, then why not go a step further for that day: put a shuttle bus in place every 10 minutes connecting the rail station, nunnery lane car park, tower car park, kent street, foss bank, union terrace car park, the hospital, and marygate car park - make it free for that one day, and then place restrictions on Ouse Bridge that only traffic that has previously applied for a permit can go over the bridge on that day, or for medical emergencies. That way people who are driving to the city centre can park in one of the inner orbital car parks and get the free bus - and if a subsidy was provided so all normal bus fares were only 50% of the normal fare on that day then more people would be able to use the bus - the free shuttle bus connecting with the Park and Ride routes as well as normal services; and by restricting access over the river to those who have permits on the day, it then keeps the road space open for the highest priority road vehicles in the city: vehicles of high multiple occupancy such as buses. If you're driving and need to cross the city, then use the A64... if it will make your journey 20 minutes longer then get out of bed 20 minutes earlier - it's only for ONE DAY.... As a side note regarding buses, York's bus fares are too high it is simple as that.... National Express West Midlands has a 'daysaver' ticket priced at £3.90 - it is only 20p more than First York's day ticket of £3.70, but it covers the entire city of Birmingham and outlying areas such as Dudley: an area which York could fit in to 5 or 6 times over. First Manchester last year trialled a policy of reducing fares across the board, the trial was a success because passenger numbers increased exponentially... why do you think pound shops are thriving even though their products are at much reduced prices? because people buy more of the product from that supplier when it costs less, but because people buy more the company makes more money - so for buses, if you offered fares at 50% of the current rate, people would be more inclined to make more journeys by bus: people who currently only use buses for 1 of every 6 journeys would likely use buses for 4 of every 6 journeys if fares were lower. The current problem besides fares in York is the bus network is too centre-focused... I live in Huntington but if I want to go to B&Q at Hull Road on a Sunday then I have to get a bus into the city centre and then another one out to Hull Road, a journey time of 40-60 minutes; whereas I can cycle over there in 20 minutes whilst walking takes 60... if somebody in Strensall wants to buy groceries at Asda they have to get a 5 to Yearsley bridge / byland avenue, cross the road, and wait for a number 12 to monks cross, because there is no direct bus going strensall-monks cross-city centre.... and evening buses are an absolute joke; before now I have come out of Tesco at Askham Bar just after the last number 3 bus to the city has left, and checking timetables of every single bus service that goes from that end of Tadcaster road to the city centre draws a blank for at least half an hour, but usually 40 minutes.... on more than one occasion I have walked home from Askham Bar to Huntington,and it is as I am putting my key into the door that the number 13 bus goes by, the bus I would have got as a number 12 at Askham Bar (the bus changes number in the evening, foxwood to city as a 12 and then from city to haxby as a 13... you know, just to make the bus network that little bit more confusing for no reason whatsoever)... if I can walk 4-6 miles along key suburban roads with no buses going my way at all (this also includes the number 5 too) then there is a serious lack of provision. Some people may say "there's not many buses because people don't use them", but that's the knub of the issue: people don't use buses if they are not flexible to a person's lifestyle. If you are working on a rota pattern and so start/finish times vary, are you going to use a bus that only comes once every hour, every 2 hours, and/or takes ages to get there?? Magicman!
  • Score: 8

7:21am Tue 18 Feb 14

Kroythrundthru says...

I would sooner give way to a TAXI than a BYKE
I would sooner give way to a TAXI than a BYKE Kroythrundthru
  • Score: -6

7:23am Tue 18 Feb 14

mortandindi says...

This tour de France is a bloody farce, Its a tour of France not England, close down the ferries and the tunnel, don't let them in!! This whole city has gone pushbike sad, get peddling down to Calais and watch it where it should be, with any luck you will all be out of puff to cycle back.
This tour de France is a bloody farce, Its a tour of France not England, close down the ferries and the tunnel, don't let them in!! This whole city has gone pushbike sad, get peddling down to Calais and watch it where it should be, with any luck you will all be out of puff to cycle back. mortandindi
  • Score: -2

7:39am Tue 18 Feb 14

Igiveinthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The writer seems to live within practicable cycling, walking and bus journey distance of the city centre........
I can't argue with your comment, but I don't think he was talking about himself in particular, my take on it was that it will affect others who need to travel by bus/car, I am fortunate that it won't affect me personally, but I'm with the writer and think of others and am not part of the blinkered bike, bike, bike fraternity.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The writer seems to live within practicable cycling, walking and bus journey distance of the city centre........[/p][/quote]I can't argue with your comment, but I don't think he was talking about himself in particular, my take on it was that it will affect others who need to travel by bus/car, I am fortunate that it won't affect me personally, but I'm with the writer and think of others and am not part of the blinkered bike, bike, bike fraternity. Igiveinthen
  • Score: 5

7:46am Tue 18 Feb 14

Igiveinthen says...

skyride leader wrote:
We drive, we cycle, we use buses and we use our legs! Having restrictions for a small number of hours on this day to encourage people to get fitter and healthier - the problem is what??????? YOu have plenty of notice to make alternative arrangement!! how many roads are damaged/ fatalities/ damage to the ozone caused by the use of cars/ buses etc stop blooming moaning and congratulate york for doing our best to encourage healthier fitter people of all ages and abilities :-)
Oh I'm sorry I thought roads were only for motorised transport, buses transporting commuters to work etc., and delivery vehicles transporting goods and materials for the retail trades, how silly of me and thank you for enlightening me that closing the roads will benefit the city no end!
[quote][p][bold]skyride leader[/bold] wrote: We drive, we cycle, we use buses and we use our legs! Having restrictions for a small number of hours on this day to encourage people to get fitter and healthier - the problem is what??????? YOu have plenty of notice to make alternative arrangement!! how many roads are damaged/ fatalities/ damage to the ozone caused by the use of cars/ buses etc stop blooming moaning and congratulate york for doing our best to encourage healthier fitter people of all ages and abilities :-)[/p][/quote]Oh I'm sorry I thought roads were only for motorised transport, buses transporting commuters to work etc., and delivery vehicles transporting goods and materials for the retail trades, how silly of me and thank you for enlightening me that closing the roads will benefit the city no end! Igiveinthen
  • Score: 5

10:20am Tue 18 Feb 14

The Great Buda says...

PlanetTea wrote:
In response to the letter and the two comments, not everyone is able to walk or bike to their work. For example I work in Malton and therefore have to drive through Clifton and on to the A64, so for myself and many others it will be even more of a nightmare getting work during the biking races.

Saying that, I don't mind in the slightest, I think its wonderful that York arranges events like these and the writer needs to get over it and quit complaining.
Very well put.
[quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: In response to the letter and the two comments, not everyone is able to walk or bike to their work. For example I work in Malton and therefore have to drive through Clifton and on to the A64, so for myself and many others it will be even more of a nightmare getting work during the biking races. Saying that, I don't mind in the slightest, I think its wonderful that York arranges events like these and the writer needs to get over it and quit complaining.[/p][/quote]Very well put. The Great Buda
  • Score: -2

4:06pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Igiveinthen says...

skyride leader wrote:
Are we not talking about restricted one day passes on bridges, surely the transport issue is another matter?
The article was for one day only, the amount of people that attended last year and rode adaptable bikes for the first time in years was a success in itself.
So if for one day you can't put them first in a selfless way than that's a shame and I'm glad you aren't part of the sport and leisure team :-(
It will be a pain in the butt for myself as I need to commute that day but I have plenty if alternatives as I'm not less abled than others
So may I suggest you think about those people less abled than yourself whom this event will benefit greatly!!
Was just thinking, in order not to cause obstruction to the services and general requirements of a busy city, would it not be an advantage to run the bike riding events on the knavesmire?
The advantages would be you wouldn’t be bothered by other traffic, there are hospitality facilities, acres of land to erect bike parking sheds, car parking for those that bring their bikes on the back of the car, and best of all you have a ready made course so you can have races - one for adults and one for the kids - and I’m sure that you will all have a wonderful day out.
[quote][p][bold]skyride leader[/bold] wrote: Are we not talking about restricted one day passes on bridges, surely the transport issue is another matter? The article was for one day only, the amount of people that attended last year and rode adaptable bikes for the first time in years was a success in itself. So if for one day you can't put them first in a selfless way than that's a shame and I'm glad you aren't part of the sport and leisure team :-( It will be a pain in the butt for myself as I need to commute that day but I have plenty if alternatives as I'm not less abled than others So may I suggest you think about those people less abled than yourself whom this event will benefit greatly!![/p][/quote]Was just thinking, in order not to cause obstruction to the services and general requirements of a busy city, would it not be an advantage to run the bike riding events on the knavesmire? The advantages would be you wouldn’t be bothered by other traffic, there are hospitality facilities, acres of land to erect bike parking sheds, car parking for those that bring their bikes on the back of the car, and best of all you have a ready made course so you can have races - one for adults and one for the kids - and I’m sure that you will all have a wonderful day out. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -1

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