We don’t need one more food store

York Press: The plans for the Sainsbury’s superstore which is to replace B&Q... our letter writer is not impressed with the arrival of another supermarket The plans for the Sainsbury’s superstore which is to replace B&Q... our letter writer is not impressed with the arrival of another supermarket

ALONG with many other residents, I have been approached by Sainsbury’s for my views on the proposed takeover of the B&Q site on Hull Road. This came as quite a shock as I had no idea that B&Q was moving out.

Supermarkets sound the death knell for local businesses and other smaller stores. If Sainsbury’s take over B&Q, we’ll be left with many other smaller vacant stores.

When there is a limited amount of money to go around, surely we really don’t need yet another food store? We already have Morrisons, Asda, Co-op, Waitrose and Sainsbury’s, all two to eight minutes away by car.

Perhaps the new store will be mainly for the use of students – the area is becoming more and more student focused and we are soon to be blessed with another 615 of them at Heslington East. I wonder if anyone with any power has thought that perhaps the site should be use for housing. This could prevent some of the wanton destruction of the green belt that is being proposed and replace some of the family homes being turned into houses of multiple occupation.

C Young, Vanbrugh Drive, York.

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11:22am Tue 11 Feb 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Or how about some wealth creating industry in York? Plenty of retail already to cope with the expanding population but how about some wealth generating rather than spending jobs?
How do you encourage industry when moving around the City is getting more difficult? Where is the positive leadership?
Or how about some wealth creating industry in York? Plenty of retail already to cope with the expanding population but how about some wealth generating rather than spending jobs? How do you encourage industry when moving around the City is getting more difficult? Where is the positive leadership? ColdAsChristmas
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11:41am Tue 11 Feb 14

roadwars says...

If it keeps the cars out of the City Centre then the Council will be happy.
If it keeps the cars out of the City Centre then the Council will be happy. roadwars
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11:48am Tue 11 Feb 14

davew17 says...

yorks to many supermarkets as it is
yorks to many supermarkets as it is davew17
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11:49am Tue 11 Feb 14

davew17 says...

got
got davew17
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12:00pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Pinza-C55 says...

I suppose if the letter writer is a man of principle the thing to do is avoid the Sainsburys and continue using the local stores? Somehow I think that is unlikely though.
I suppose if the letter writer is a man of principle the thing to do is avoid the Sainsburys and continue using the local stores? Somehow I think that is unlikely though. Pinza-C55
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12:25pm Tue 11 Feb 14

mjr119 says...

I live close to the B&Q store. I would welcome a new Sainsbury's. The biggest issue is that if Sainsbury's don't move in then who will? It is glaringly obvious that B&Q won't be staying - there is rarely more than three dozen cars in the car park outside of the weekend.

I'll still use the butcher and baker at Badger Hill

The area is changing, the University is getting bigger - get over it!
I live close to the B&Q store. I would welcome a new Sainsbury's. The biggest issue is that if Sainsbury's don't move in then who will? It is glaringly obvious that B&Q won't be staying - there is rarely more than three dozen cars in the car park outside of the weekend. I'll still use the butcher and baker at Badger Hill The area is changing, the University is getting bigger - get over it! mjr119
  • Score: 20

12:52pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

As someone once said - Sainsburys keeps the riff-raff out of Waitrose - which I hasten to add I haven't visited yet.
As someone once said - Sainsburys keeps the riff-raff out of Waitrose - which I hasten to add I haven't visited yet. Mulgrave
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1:04pm Tue 11 Feb 14

directdebbie says...

I want to know where B and Q are going to go?
I want to know where B and Q are going to go? directdebbie
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4:12pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Teabag1 says...

directdebbie wrote:
I want to know where B and Q are going to go?
I know about B but not sure on Q.
[quote][p][bold]directdebbie[/bold] wrote: I want to know where B and Q are going to go?[/p][/quote]I know about B but not sure on Q. Teabag1
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5:05pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Teabag1 wrote:
directdebbie wrote:
I want to know where B and Q are going to go?
I know about B but not sure on Q.
A friend once asked me whether there was a B&Q in York and when I replied "I don't know" he said "can't you spell?".
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]directdebbie[/bold] wrote: I want to know where B and Q are going to go?[/p][/quote]I know about B but not sure on Q.[/p][/quote]A friend once asked me whether there was a B&Q in York and when I replied "I don't know" he said "can't you spell?". Pinza-C55
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5:36pm Tue 11 Feb 14

DeeJaiEss says...

I've emailed Sainsburys myself about this as I did have some concerns mainly in respect to the jobs generated in comparison to those lost by the closure of B&Q, what were B&Q's reasons for moving (it's them that have created the opportunity for Sainsburys by wanting to move in the first place) and whether they through they were robbing their existing stores as a result of opening, namely the stores at Foss Bank and Monks Cross as well as the convenience store in Osbaldwick.

Suffice to say that Sainsburys have advised that they are creating 300 new positions over and above the existing B&Q ones - the first posts would be offered to existing B&Q staff.

B&Q want a smaller site but in a similar area, so the writer's concerns about the "wanton destruction of green belt land" may have to be redirected to B&Q - at least Sainsburys are going to be occupying an existing building, thus saving the time, energy and landfill by ripping down what is already there.

The suggestion of turning the site in housing - is that not creating more demand for these sorts of stores?

In respect to existing stores - the reason as to why they are wanting this site is because Monks Cross and Foss Bank are running well above capacity. B&Q created an opportunity and so Sainsburys is making its proposals.

With the additional student population, then this site would not doubt look more and more attractive.

Yes, I suppose the population of Osbaldwick and Badger Hill can all jump in their cars and be at Monks Cross in eight minutes but firstly, that is hardly viable - the A64 bottle-necks terribly at the Hopgrove Interchange, despite modifications, especially in summer or yo can travel through Murton by the back lanes which are not built for large volumes of traffic and have some nasty bends along them so you can quadruple your 8 minutes and add even more in summer - all of that is hardly friendly for the environment and secondly, not everyone has cars.

I think it should be given the go-ahead.

Complaints about the loss of local stores is the choice of the local community - they still have a choice either shop locally or to go for an 8 minute drive, whether Sainsburys takes over the B&Q site or not.
I've emailed Sainsburys myself about this as I did have some concerns mainly in respect to the jobs generated in comparison to those lost by the closure of B&Q, what were B&Q's reasons for moving (it's them that have created the opportunity for Sainsburys by wanting to move in the first place) and whether they through they were robbing their existing stores as a result of opening, namely the stores at Foss Bank and Monks Cross as well as the convenience store in Osbaldwick. Suffice to say that Sainsburys have advised that they are creating 300 new positions over and above the existing B&Q ones - the first posts would be offered to existing B&Q staff. B&Q want a smaller site but in a similar area, so the writer's concerns about the "wanton destruction of green belt land" may have to be redirected to B&Q - at least Sainsburys are going to be occupying an existing building, thus saving the time, energy and landfill by ripping down what is already there. The suggestion of turning the site in housing - is that not creating more demand for these sorts of stores? In respect to existing stores - the reason as to why they are wanting this site is because Monks Cross and Foss Bank are running well above capacity. B&Q created an opportunity and so Sainsburys is making its proposals. With the additional student population, then this site would not doubt look more and more attractive. Yes, I suppose the population of Osbaldwick and Badger Hill can all jump in their cars and be at Monks Cross in eight minutes but firstly, that is hardly viable - the A64 bottle-necks terribly at the Hopgrove Interchange, despite modifications, especially in summer or yo can travel through Murton by the back lanes which are not built for large volumes of traffic and have some nasty bends along them so you can quadruple your 8 minutes and add even more in summer - all of that is hardly friendly for the environment and secondly, not everyone has cars. I think it should be given the go-ahead. Complaints about the loss of local stores is the choice of the local community - they still have a choice either shop locally or to go for an 8 minute drive, whether Sainsburys takes over the B&Q site or not. DeeJaiEss
  • Score: 18

3:24am Wed 12 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

directdebbie wrote:
I want to know where B and Q are going to go?
Same here... as somebody who doesn't have regular access to a car I'd like to think it'd come to a site on Monks Cross somewhere, so I don't have to walk home for an hour with two planks of wood or pay £30 for home delivery.
[quote][p][bold]directdebbie[/bold] wrote: I want to know where B and Q are going to go?[/p][/quote]Same here... as somebody who doesn't have regular access to a car I'd like to think it'd come to a site on Monks Cross somewhere, so I don't have to walk home for an hour with two planks of wood or pay £30 for home delivery. Magicman!
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11:46am Wed 12 Feb 14

MissConstrood says...

...........isnt the layerthorpe one closing though - so it isnt an extra supermarket - just a moved one?
...........isnt the layerthorpe one closing though - so it isnt an extra supermarket - just a moved one? MissConstrood
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2:12pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Son of Amigo says...

B&Q are at Clifton Moor
B&Q are at Clifton Moor Son of Amigo
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5:15pm Wed 12 Feb 14

BL2 says...

Magicman! wrote:
directdebbie wrote:
I want to know where B and Q are going to go?
Same here... as somebody who doesn't have regular access to a car I'd like to think it'd come to a site on Monks Cross somewhere, so I don't have to walk home for an hour with two planks of wood or pay £30 for home delivery.
By all accounts, no-where. They are not doing well financially and have closed other stores in England with the sites being sold / transferred to Sainsburies.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]directdebbie[/bold] wrote: I want to know where B and Q are going to go?[/p][/quote]Same here... as somebody who doesn't have regular access to a car I'd like to think it'd come to a site on Monks Cross somewhere, so I don't have to walk home for an hour with two planks of wood or pay £30 for home delivery.[/p][/quote]By all accounts, no-where. They are not doing well financially and have closed other stores in England with the sites being sold / transferred to Sainsburies. BL2
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5:23pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

BL2 wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
directdebbie wrote:
I want to know where B and Q are going to go?
Same here... as somebody who doesn't have regular access to a car I'd like to think it'd come to a site on Monks Cross somewhere, so I don't have to walk home for an hour with two planks of wood or pay £30 for home delivery.
By all accounts, no-where. They are not doing well financially and have closed other stores in England with the sites being sold / transferred to Sainsburies.
Not what I have heard, don't forget that Hull Road has the heavy side Tradepoint operation which is more than just a counter as in the smaller stores.
At this point in the housing cycle they would be mad to stick with just Clifton Moor, which is difficult and time consuming to access for many.
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]directdebbie[/bold] wrote: I want to know where B and Q are going to go?[/p][/quote]Same here... as somebody who doesn't have regular access to a car I'd like to think it'd come to a site on Monks Cross somewhere, so I don't have to walk home for an hour with two planks of wood or pay £30 for home delivery.[/p][/quote]By all accounts, no-where. They are not doing well financially and have closed other stores in England with the sites being sold / transferred to Sainsburies.[/p][/quote]Not what I have heard, don't forget that Hull Road has the heavy side Tradepoint operation which is more than just a counter as in the smaller stores. At this point in the housing cycle they would be mad to stick with just Clifton Moor, which is difficult and time consuming to access for many. Mulgrave
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9:13pm Wed 12 Feb 14

ouseswimmer says...

York has the second largest green belt in the country. Any development within the ring roads is so not a problem. The population of The population of York is growing which along with recent food sales figures where we are consuming about 3% more food each per annum suggests that more stores are needed. No idea who is consuming my extra 3% but I have seen some very overweight people in the area recently. Could the two be related I wonder? What more supermarkets mean though is that each day there are far more items reduced to meet sell by dates and so it is leading to more bargains. Excellent news for many, especially if you shop after 6.30pm though the best bargains are to be found ten minutes before closing time.
York has the second largest green belt in the country. Any development within the ring roads is so not a problem. The population of The population of York is growing which along with recent food sales figures where we are consuming about 3% more food each per annum suggests that more stores are needed. No idea who is consuming my extra 3% but I have seen some very overweight people in the area recently. Could the two be related I wonder? What more supermarkets mean though is that each day there are far more items reduced to meet sell by dates and so it is leading to more bargains. Excellent news for many, especially if you shop after 6.30pm though the best bargains are to be found ten minutes before closing time. ouseswimmer
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2:00am Thu 13 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

Mulgrave wrote:
BL2 wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
directdebbie wrote:
I want to know where B and Q are going to go?
Same here... as somebody who doesn't have regular access to a car I'd like to think it'd come to a site on Monks Cross somewhere, so I don't have to walk home for an hour with two planks of wood or pay £30 for home delivery.
By all accounts, no-where. They are not doing well financially and have closed other stores in England with the sites being sold / transferred to Sainsburies.
Not what I have heard, don't forget that Hull Road has the heavy side Tradepoint operation which is more than just a counter as in the smaller stores.
At this point in the housing cycle they would be mad to stick with just Clifton Moor, which is difficult and time consuming to access for many.
Exactly... the Clifton Moor store isn't laid out as easily and I have found it offers less products than the Hull Road one does. Plus traffic around Clifton Moor is horrendous, much worse than around Monks Cross and is exaccerbated by traffic from Clifton Moor west (where B&Q is) wanting to head to Tesco or Water Lane being diverted around the A1237 roundabout and thus adding extra congestion there. Basing a B&Q at Monks Cross would be OK for traffic (particularly if it's located behind the shopping park, either behind asda or the aviva offices), as its very close to the dual carriageway A64... Also, I don't think Malton has a B&Q and so locating a store at Monks Cross would benefits residents there.
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]directdebbie[/bold] wrote: I want to know where B and Q are going to go?[/p][/quote]Same here... as somebody who doesn't have regular access to a car I'd like to think it'd come to a site on Monks Cross somewhere, so I don't have to walk home for an hour with two planks of wood or pay £30 for home delivery.[/p][/quote]By all accounts, no-where. They are not doing well financially and have closed other stores in England with the sites being sold / transferred to Sainsburies.[/p][/quote]Not what I have heard, don't forget that Hull Road has the heavy side Tradepoint operation which is more than just a counter as in the smaller stores. At this point in the housing cycle they would be mad to stick with just Clifton Moor, which is difficult and time consuming to access for many.[/p][/quote]Exactly... the Clifton Moor store isn't laid out as easily and I have found it offers less products than the Hull Road one does. Plus traffic around Clifton Moor is horrendous, much worse than around Monks Cross and is exaccerbated by traffic from Clifton Moor west (where B&Q is) wanting to head to Tesco or Water Lane being diverted around the A1237 roundabout and thus adding extra congestion there. Basing a B&Q at Monks Cross would be OK for traffic (particularly if it's located behind the shopping park, either behind asda or the aviva offices), as its very close to the dual carriageway A64... Also, I don't think Malton has a B&Q and so locating a store at Monks Cross would benefits residents there. Magicman!
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