Letter: We won’t return to York

York Press: We won’t return after bridge fine We won’t return after bridge fine

A COUPLE of weekends ago my wife and I visited York for the first time and found York to be a beautiful and very interesting city.

We spent hundreds of pounds in the various restaurants, shops, a hotel, the Minster and museums and decided to return again later this year to continue exploring.

However, since returning home we have received from City of York Council a penalty charge notice as, apparently, in trying to find the road south when leaving on Sunday afternoon, we contravened the Lendal Bridge bus lane.

At the time we were following the map in the booklet produced by Visitor Information which clearly shows that the bridge is fully available to traffic in both directions.

In other cities, the words “bus lane” are clearly shown on the surface of the road and there are large signs on the road side. If there were clear signs, I would have followed them.

I now have to pay a £30 fine and am extremely unhappy. No doubt the council is congratulating itself on dreaming up such an easy money-making scheme.

We will not be returning and spending hundreds of pounds in York after all. The council may have gained £30, but York’s hotels shops and restaurants have lost many times that sum.

D Wright, Cambridge.

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12:04pm Thu 30 Jan 14

tonyfromitaly says...

What a shame so many visitors have been treated in this shabby manner.
What a shame so many visitors have been treated in this shabby manner. tonyfromitaly
  • Score: 125

12:27pm Thu 30 Jan 14

timcore says...

If only there were signs...
If only there were signs... timcore
  • Score: -49

12:28pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Stevie D says...

Which sock puppets are writing all these letters?
Which sock puppets are writing all these letters? Stevie D
  • Score: 41

12:28pm Thu 30 Jan 14

strangebuttrue? says...

What a shame York residents, as well as visitors, have been treated in this shabby fashion.

The decision makers at the council seem to hate cars and their drivers so much they will stop at nothing to bully and harass anyone who needs or chooses to drive in this city out of their cars.

To top it all off they said yesterday that anyone who does not pay the fines can expect a visit from the bailiffs to recover the money just to show how far they will go with their anti car campaign.
What a shame York residents, as well as visitors, have been treated in this shabby fashion. The decision makers at the council seem to hate cars and their drivers so much they will stop at nothing to bully and harass anyone who needs or chooses to drive in this city out of their cars. To top it all off they said yesterday that anyone who does not pay the fines can expect a visit from the bailiffs to recover the money just to show how far they will go with their anti car campaign. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -11

12:29pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Lunatic says...

I'm still adamantly against the closure. But if you manage to miss the great big "RESTRICTED ACCESS" markings scrawled in huge letters across the road several times on the approach to Lendal Bridge, you're driving without due care and attention.

York may miss a tourist or two. But it won't miss a dangerous driver.
I'm still adamantly against the closure. But if you manage to miss the great big "RESTRICTED ACCESS" markings scrawled in huge letters across the road several times on the approach to Lendal Bridge, you're driving without due care and attention. York may miss a tourist or two. But it won't miss a dangerous driver. Lunatic
  • Score: 25

12:32pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Hicarrumba says...

I recently went to Cambridge for the first time, I didn't get fined as I had my eye on the road and signs. I will return... Not returning to something as beautiful as you say because you missed the signs, and huge white writing and lines, is both annoying and pedantic. If you enjoyed it that much come back, it's £30 that's all, just spend £30 less next time on council run entertainment.
I recently went to Cambridge for the first time, I didn't get fined as I had my eye on the road and signs. I will return... Not returning to something as beautiful as you say because you missed the signs, and huge white writing and lines, is both annoying and pedantic. If you enjoyed it that much come back, it's £30 that's all, just spend £30 less next time on council run entertainment. Hicarrumba
  • Score: 44

12:43pm Thu 30 Jan 14

j.clarke says...

Bore off.
Bore off. j.clarke
  • Score: -5

12:53pm Thu 30 Jan 14

WhyEver says...

Stevie D wrote:
Which sock puppets are writing all these letters?
If you're going to fine 40,000 or so visitors, you can expect some of them to complain.

How many letters have we had from visitors praising the trial for making their trip nicer? One, two?
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: Which sock puppets are writing all these letters?[/p][/quote]If you're going to fine 40,000 or so visitors, you can expect some of them to complain. How many letters have we had from visitors praising the trial for making their trip nicer? One, two? WhyEver
  • Score: 34

12:53pm Thu 30 Jan 14

wildthing666 says...

Lunatic wrote:
I'm still adamantly against the closure. But if you manage to miss the great big "RESTRICTED ACCESS" markings scrawled in huge letters across the road several times on the approach to Lendal Bridge, you're driving without due care and attention.

York may miss a tourist or two. But it won't miss a dangerous driver.
On Feb 26th demonstrate on the bridge to reopen it while the council consult over this already pre- actioned plan to make it a permanent fixture to the city causing more gridlock throughout the city.
[quote][p][bold]Lunatic[/bold] wrote: I'm still adamantly against the closure. But if you manage to miss the great big "RESTRICTED ACCESS" markings scrawled in huge letters across the road several times on the approach to Lendal Bridge, you're driving without due care and attention. York may miss a tourist or two. But it won't miss a dangerous driver.[/p][/quote]On Feb 26th demonstrate on the bridge to reopen it while the council consult over this already pre- actioned plan to make it a permanent fixture to the city causing more gridlock throughout the city. wildthing666
  • Score: 61

12:57pm Thu 30 Jan 14

lezyork1966 says...

do the road marking agree with the highway code on if its a correctly marked and signed bus lane, if theres any error or omission of a required sign or paintwork, you do not have to pay the penalty for driving in a ''bus lane''.
do the road marking agree with the highway code on if its a correctly marked and signed bus lane, if theres any error or omission of a required sign or paintwork, you do not have to pay the penalty for driving in a ''bus lane''. lezyork1966
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Thu 30 Jan 14

metsaagain says...

I'm sceptical about the bridge closure- but just can't understand how people are missing the signs. There are lots of signs both ends. And to blame the map is just pathetic- it's like these people who blindly follow sat-navs up tiny country roads and then get stuck. Driving is about being aware of the surroundings and situation on the road, not relying on navigational aids/maps etc. What happened to common sense and road awareness.

Also, petulance of these people who get a small fine (whatever the underlying rights and wrongs of the closure) through their own fault and then get the hump, is staggering. You made a mistake, take it on the chin, deal with it, move on...
I'm sceptical about the bridge closure- but just can't understand how people are missing the signs. There are lots of signs both ends. And to blame the map is just pathetic- it's like these people who blindly follow sat-navs up tiny country roads and then get stuck. Driving is about being aware of the surroundings and situation on the road, not relying on navigational aids/maps etc. What happened to common sense and road awareness. Also, petulance of these people who get a small fine (whatever the underlying rights and wrongs of the closure) through their own fault and then get the hump, is staggering. You made a mistake, take it on the chin, deal with it, move on... metsaagain
  • Score: 18

1:07pm Thu 30 Jan 14

anth!! says...

wildthing666 wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
I'm still adamantly against the closure. But if you manage to miss the great big "RESTRICTED ACCESS" markings scrawled in huge letters across the road several times on the approach to Lendal Bridge, you're driving without due care and attention.

York may miss a tourist or two. But it won't miss a dangerous driver.
On Feb 26th demonstrate on the bridge to reopen it while the council consult over this already pre- actioned plan to make it a permanent fixture to the city causing more gridlock throughout the city.
Sake, not more whingin tourists ( allegedly ), the signage regarding lendal bridge restrictions are clear enough.
[quote][p][bold]wildthing666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lunatic[/bold] wrote: I'm still adamantly against the closure. But if you manage to miss the great big "RESTRICTED ACCESS" markings scrawled in huge letters across the road several times on the approach to Lendal Bridge, you're driving without due care and attention. York may miss a tourist or two. But it won't miss a dangerous driver.[/p][/quote]On Feb 26th demonstrate on the bridge to reopen it while the council consult over this already pre- actioned plan to make it a permanent fixture to the city causing more gridlock throughout the city.[/p][/quote]Sake, not more whingin tourists ( allegedly ), the signage regarding lendal bridge restrictions are clear enough. anth!!
  • Score: -4

1:08pm Thu 30 Jan 14

keepitshut says...

metsaagain wrote:
I'm sceptical about the bridge closure- but just can't understand how people are missing the signs. There are lots of signs both ends. And to blame the map is just pathetic- it's like these people who blindly follow sat-navs up tiny country roads and then get stuck. Driving is about being aware of the surroundings and situation on the road, not relying on navigational aids/maps etc. What happened to common sense and road awareness. Also, petulance of these people who get a small fine (whatever the underlying rights and wrongs of the closure) through their own fault and then get the hump, is staggering. You made a mistake, take it on the chin, deal with it, move on...
Excellent comment........
The "saddo" in me has counted 95 signs across the city and surrounding areas, surely with that many you cannot blame not seeing them?
[quote][p][bold]metsaagain[/bold] wrote: I'm sceptical about the bridge closure- but just can't understand how people are missing the signs. There are lots of signs both ends. And to blame the map is just pathetic- it's like these people who blindly follow sat-navs up tiny country roads and then get stuck. Driving is about being aware of the surroundings and situation on the road, not relying on navigational aids/maps etc. What happened to common sense and road awareness. Also, petulance of these people who get a small fine (whatever the underlying rights and wrongs of the closure) through their own fault and then get the hump, is staggering. You made a mistake, take it on the chin, deal with it, move on...[/p][/quote]Excellent comment........ The "saddo" in me has counted 95 signs across the city and surrounding areas, surely with that many you cannot blame not seeing them? keepitshut
  • Score: 28

1:09pm Thu 30 Jan 14

anth!! says...

On February the 26th I will be at work, suggest you do the same.
On February the 26th I will be at work, suggest you do the same. anth!!
  • Score: 49

1:15pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

keepitshut wrote:
metsaagain wrote:
I'm sceptical about the bridge closure- but just can't understand how people are missing the signs. There are lots of signs both ends. And to blame the map is just pathetic- it's like these people who blindly follow sat-navs up tiny country roads and then get stuck. Driving is about being aware of the surroundings and situation on the road, not relying on navigational aids/maps etc. What happened to common sense and road awareness. Also, petulance of these people who get a small fine (whatever the underlying rights and wrongs of the closure) through their own fault and then get the hump, is staggering. You made a mistake, take it on the chin, deal with it, move on...
Excellent comment........
The "saddo" in me has counted 95 signs across the city and surrounding areas, surely with that many you cannot blame not seeing them?
Not least the one I saw coming from Leeman Road sorting office yesterday. It is something like 8 feet long by 4 feet tall with the message spelled out in big orange lights. It is ghastly and intrusive but you cannot miss it.
[quote][p][bold]keepitshut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]metsaagain[/bold] wrote: I'm sceptical about the bridge closure- but just can't understand how people are missing the signs. There are lots of signs both ends. And to blame the map is just pathetic- it's like these people who blindly follow sat-navs up tiny country roads and then get stuck. Driving is about being aware of the surroundings and situation on the road, not relying on navigational aids/maps etc. What happened to common sense and road awareness. Also, petulance of these people who get a small fine (whatever the underlying rights and wrongs of the closure) through their own fault and then get the hump, is staggering. You made a mistake, take it on the chin, deal with it, move on...[/p][/quote]Excellent comment........ The "saddo" in me has counted 95 signs across the city and surrounding areas, surely with that many you cannot blame not seeing them?[/p][/quote]Not least the one I saw coming from Leeman Road sorting office yesterday. It is something like 8 feet long by 4 feet tall with the message spelled out in big orange lights. It is ghastly and intrusive but you cannot miss it. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -5

1:25pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Richard Catton says...

I love all these self-righteous drivers who have never made a mistake in their lives.
Have you never visited an unfamiliar city? Take Leeds for example... Lots of lanes, lots of people stepping out, lots of signs to read, lots of busses pulling out and all while you are trying to work out where the Hell you're going.

I've noticed a lot of smug drivers on here like to churn out the phrase "driving without due care and attention". If you're a stranger in York you're probably paying attention to a thousand bewildering things while your driving such as one way systems, tourists, cyclists and busses up your backside. Meanwhile you have a matter of seconds to wonder what "restricted access" means as you sail over an unidentified bridge.

"Thanks for visiting York sucker - that'll be £30 - Love JA"
I love all these self-righteous drivers who have never made a mistake in their lives. Have you never visited an unfamiliar city? Take Leeds for example... Lots of lanes, lots of people stepping out, lots of signs to read, lots of busses pulling out and all while you are trying to work out where the Hell you're going. I've noticed a lot of smug drivers on here like to churn out the phrase "driving without due care and attention". If you're a stranger in York you're probably paying attention to a thousand bewildering things while your driving such as one way systems, tourists, cyclists and busses up your backside. Meanwhile you have a matter of seconds to wonder what "restricted access" means as you sail over an unidentified bridge. "Thanks for visiting York sucker - that'll be £30 - Love JA" Richard Catton
  • Score: 14

1:49pm Thu 30 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

If anyone wants to justify 40,000+ fines on the bases that the drivers being fined are dangerous drivers, well with that many why on earth would anyone want to cycle in York. I suggest the dangerous driver theory is nonsense and counter productive, furthermore a base defence of the indefensible.

There needs to be some research done to understand why 40,000 plus drivers have fallen foul of this trap, a behavior-based investigation.

An ignorant and narrow minded explanation of cause is not a justification by reason.
If anyone wants to justify 40,000+ fines on the bases that the drivers being fined are dangerous drivers, well with that many why on earth would anyone want to cycle in York. I suggest the dangerous driver theory is nonsense and counter productive, furthermore a base defence of the indefensible. There needs to be some research done to understand why 40,000 plus drivers have fallen foul of this trap, a behavior-based investigation. An ignorant and narrow minded explanation of cause is not a justification by reason. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 1394

2:09pm Thu 30 Jan 14

lezyork1966 says...

most sat navs are aware of the bridge times now, waze and google maps know it...
BUT if i got a ticket, for enteringa bus lane, I would not be paying it, the markings are simple to understand but they do not comply with the lawful markings of a bus lane.... thats your get out of jail free card in my opinion. of course you could just no go over the **** bridge at the times stated which is much easier for any one.
most sat navs are aware of the bridge times now, waze and google maps know it... BUT if i got a ticket, for enteringa bus lane, I would not be paying it, the markings are simple to understand but they do not comply with the lawful markings of a bus lane.... thats your get out of jail free card in my opinion. of course you could just no go over the **** bridge at the times stated which is much easier for any one. lezyork1966
  • Score: -50

2:10pm Thu 30 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point?
Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.
The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short. CaroleBaines
  • Score: -41

2:11pm Thu 30 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Don't assume that only the visitors that have taken the trouble to write to the Press are the only ones not to return. The real number is probably in the thousands but we will never know the true number.
What we do know however, is that York has entered the top five Cr*p Towns and that is in print..
Hang your heads in shame; Alexander, Merrett, TSL & Co.
Don't assume that only the visitors that have taken the trouble to write to the Press are the only ones not to return. The real number is probably in the thousands but we will never know the true number. What we do know however, is that York has entered the top five Cr*p Towns and that is in print.. Hang your heads in shame; Alexander, Merrett, TSL & Co. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 15

2:32pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Rocking Horse says...

Stevie D wrote:
Which sock puppets are writing all these letters?
The ones who's patronage York has lost, resulting in millions of £'s lost to York's economy.

How many businiesses will fail and jobs be lost because of York Council's clueless mismanagement of this fiasco ?

I hope it includes Alexander's, Merrett's and the rest of the looneys ruining York with their ideological and self-serving political stunts.

Vote them out in 2015 !
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: Which sock puppets are writing all these letters?[/p][/quote]The ones who's patronage York has lost, resulting in millions of £'s lost to York's economy. How many businiesses will fail and jobs be lost because of York Council's clueless mismanagement of this fiasco ? I hope it includes Alexander's, Merrett's and the rest of the looneys ruining York with their ideological and self-serving political stunts. Vote them out in 2015 ! Rocking Horse
  • Score: 95

2:42pm Thu 30 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Don't assume that only the visitors that have taken the trouble to write to the Press are the only ones not to return. The real number is probably in the thousands but we will never know the true number.
What we do know however, is that York has entered the top five Cr*p Towns and that is in print..
Hang your heads in shame; Alexander, Merrett, TSL & Co.
Am sure there are more visitors who think that way. But lets not take the Cr*p Towns thing seriously, even the writers say its a tongue in cheek thing and London came first, for heaven's sake! If you thought that was a serious piece of research, you might be on your own, as I think others have pointed out.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Don't assume that only the visitors that have taken the trouble to write to the Press are the only ones not to return. The real number is probably in the thousands but we will never know the true number. What we do know however, is that York has entered the top five Cr*p Towns and that is in print.. Hang your heads in shame; Alexander, Merrett, TSL & Co.[/p][/quote]Am sure there are more visitors who think that way. But lets not take the Cr*p Towns thing seriously, even the writers say its a tongue in cheek thing and London came first, for heaven's sake! If you thought that was a serious piece of research, you might be on your own, as I think others have pointed out. CaroleBaines
  • Score: -22

3:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

thecat1964 says...

Why don't they have a barrier system like they have in some of the car parks, they could charge people £30 each time to go over the bridge, that would save on posting out the fine letters and stop me wasting my time reading this post!
Why don't they have a barrier system like they have in some of the car parks, they could charge people £30 each time to go over the bridge, that would save on posting out the fine letters and stop me wasting my time reading this post! thecat1964
  • Score: -55

3:56pm Thu 30 Jan 14

York Fox says...

People who think the signs are adequate need to approach the city imagining they have no idea what or where Lendal Bridge is, that they have no idea of the geography of the city, and that they have no idea any such restrictions and haven't been reading about it in the papers everyday for 6 months.

I promise you it isn't as easy as some smug residents who know every street and rat-run believe, I and 40,000 other people will vouch for that.
People who think the signs are adequate need to approach the city imagining they have no idea what or where Lendal Bridge is, that they have no idea of the geography of the city, and that they have no idea any such restrictions and haven't been reading about it in the papers everyday for 6 months. I promise you it isn't as easy as some smug residents who know every street and rat-run believe, I and 40,000 other people will vouch for that. York Fox
  • Score: -15

4:49pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Jonthan says...

I think I smell a rat.

Just D. Wright, Cambridge ?? Not very convincing. All the local York and district letters are required to have a have a street address before they are published..

Sorry, but I'm a bit sceptical about these similarly worded letters popping up from all over the country. If people genuinely want to warn about the penalties on the bridge, why dont they do so in their local paper to stop others coming? Why write to the York Press, they won't stop visitors coming to York by moaning to us

Remember the recent and unlamented campaign against affordable housing, when the letters page was awash with a load of retired local builders writing similarly worded letters whinging about not being able to charge the earth for houses and flats. It was an orchestrated campaign.

This is more of the same I fear.
I think I smell a rat. Just D. Wright, Cambridge ?? Not very convincing. All the local York and district letters are required to have a have a street address before they are published.. Sorry, but I'm a bit sceptical about these similarly worded letters popping up from all over the country. If people genuinely want to warn about the penalties on the bridge, why dont they do so in their local paper to stop others coming? Why write to the York Press, they won't stop visitors coming to York by moaning to us Remember the recent and unlamented campaign against affordable housing, when the letters page was awash with a load of retired local builders writing similarly worded letters whinging about not being able to charge the earth for houses and flats. It was an orchestrated campaign. This is more of the same I fear. Jonthan
  • Score: 39

4:52pm Thu 30 Jan 14

cas540 says...

metsaagain wrote:
I'm sceptical about the bridge closure- but just can't understand how people are missing the signs. There are lots of signs both ends. And to blame the map is just pathetic- it's like these people who blindly follow sat-navs up tiny country roads and then get stuck. Driving is about being aware of the surroundings and situation on the road, not relying on navigational aids/maps etc. What happened to common sense and road awareness.

Also, petulance of these people who get a small fine (whatever the underlying rights and wrongs of the closure) through their own fault and then get the hump, is staggering. You made a mistake, take it on the chin, deal with it, move on...
It is not how many signs there are it is the wording on them and positioning of them .They just do not make sense.
[quote][p][bold]metsaagain[/bold] wrote: I'm sceptical about the bridge closure- but just can't understand how people are missing the signs. There are lots of signs both ends. And to blame the map is just pathetic- it's like these people who blindly follow sat-navs up tiny country roads and then get stuck. Driving is about being aware of the surroundings and situation on the road, not relying on navigational aids/maps etc. What happened to common sense and road awareness. Also, petulance of these people who get a small fine (whatever the underlying rights and wrongs of the closure) through their own fault and then get the hump, is staggering. You made a mistake, take it on the chin, deal with it, move on...[/p][/quote]It is not how many signs there are it is the wording on them and positioning of them .They just do not make sense. cas540
  • Score: -30

5:11pm Thu 30 Jan 14

meme says...

its all because once you get near the bridge its too late to turn around and reality where would you anyway?
Locals know where Lendal Bridge is but tourists don't.
The bridge MUST be signed as LENDAL BRIDGE NO PRIVATE VEHICULAR ACCESS before we do untold damage to the reputation of York
Plus if council are still giving out plans that show it as accessible one has to ask why?
Are the officers and Councillors listening .Do they give a monkeys? Who knows but its bloody obvious something is wrong and not a lot seems to be done about it
its all because once you get near the bridge its too late to turn around and reality where would you anyway? Locals know where Lendal Bridge is but tourists don't. The bridge MUST be signed as LENDAL BRIDGE NO PRIVATE VEHICULAR ACCESS before we do untold damage to the reputation of York Plus if council are still giving out plans that show it as accessible one has to ask why? Are the officers and Councillors listening .Do they give a monkeys? Who knows but its bloody obvious something is wrong and not a lot seems to be done about it meme
  • Score: -10

5:34pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Teabag1 says...

This letter smells a bit fishy to me
This letter smells a bit fishy to me Teabag1
  • Score: 38

6:10pm Thu 30 Jan 14

WhyEver says...

Jonthan wrote:
I think I smell a rat.

Just D. Wright, Cambridge ?? Not very convincing. All the local York and district letters are required to have a have a street address before they are published..

Sorry, but I'm a bit sceptical about these similarly worded letters popping up from all over the country. If people genuinely want to warn about the penalties on the bridge, why dont they do so in their local paper to stop others coming? Why write to the York Press, they won't stop visitors coming to York by moaning to us

Remember the recent and unlamented campaign against affordable housing, when the letters page was awash with a load of retired local builders writing similarly worded letters whinging about not being able to charge the earth for houses and flats. It was an orchestrated campaign.

This is more of the same I fear.
I hope the council don't take the same approach as you Jonathan - "we don't agree with this person so we'll ignore them". "We asked for feedback but it was mostly negative, that can't be right". If you're going to fine 40,000 visitors you must expect some of them to complain.
[quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: I think I smell a rat. Just D. Wright, Cambridge ?? Not very convincing. All the local York and district letters are required to have a have a street address before they are published.. Sorry, but I'm a bit sceptical about these similarly worded letters popping up from all over the country. If people genuinely want to warn about the penalties on the bridge, why dont they do so in their local paper to stop others coming? Why write to the York Press, they won't stop visitors coming to York by moaning to us Remember the recent and unlamented campaign against affordable housing, when the letters page was awash with a load of retired local builders writing similarly worded letters whinging about not being able to charge the earth for houses and flats. It was an orchestrated campaign. This is more of the same I fear.[/p][/quote]I hope the council don't take the same approach as you Jonathan - "we don't agree with this person so we'll ignore them". "We asked for feedback but it was mostly negative, that can't be right". If you're going to fine 40,000 visitors you must expect some of them to complain. WhyEver
  • Score: 7

6:54pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Jonthan says...

WhyEver wrote:
Jonthan wrote:
I think I smell a rat.

Just D. Wright, Cambridge ?? Not very convincing. All the local York and district letters are required to have a have a street address before they are published..

Sorry, but I'm a bit sceptical about these similarly worded letters popping up from all over the country. If people genuinely want to warn about the penalties on the bridge, why dont they do so in their local paper to stop others coming? Why write to the York Press, they won't stop visitors coming to York by moaning to us

Remember the recent and unlamented campaign against affordable housing, when the letters page was awash with a load of retired local builders writing similarly worded letters whinging about not being able to charge the earth for houses and flats. It was an orchestrated campaign.

This is more of the same I fear.
I hope the council don't take the same approach as you Jonathan - "we don't agree with this person so we'll ignore them". "We asked for feedback but it was mostly negative, that can't be right". If you're going to fine 40,000 visitors you must expect some of them to complain.
WhyEver, please don't put words in my mouth. You even put quotation marks around them as if it was a real statement from me. In fact I said no such thing.

Let me reiterate what I DO believe, add then you can quote me correctly. I do not ignore the writer, however I suspect (for reasons I gave in my posting at 4.49) that many of the letters are part of a concerted campaign to give the impression that the bridge is damaging tourism.
The facts say otherwise. The figures for Christmas trading in the were at an all time record high, and the Press was full of letters complaining about how packed with tourists the streets were at St Nicholas Fayre.

If I were mounting a campaign which had fallen flat on it's face (remember the predictions about total gridlock and carmageddon, and dozens of businesses closing ?) I might be tempted to coordinate some letters purporting to come from disgruntled tourists.
You can quote me on that - but get your facts right this time
[quote][p][bold]WhyEver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: I think I smell a rat. Just D. Wright, Cambridge ?? Not very convincing. All the local York and district letters are required to have a have a street address before they are published.. Sorry, but I'm a bit sceptical about these similarly worded letters popping up from all over the country. If people genuinely want to warn about the penalties on the bridge, why dont they do so in their local paper to stop others coming? Why write to the York Press, they won't stop visitors coming to York by moaning to us Remember the recent and unlamented campaign against affordable housing, when the letters page was awash with a load of retired local builders writing similarly worded letters whinging about not being able to charge the earth for houses and flats. It was an orchestrated campaign. This is more of the same I fear.[/p][/quote]I hope the council don't take the same approach as you Jonathan - "we don't agree with this person so we'll ignore them". "We asked for feedback but it was mostly negative, that can't be right". If you're going to fine 40,000 visitors you must expect some of them to complain.[/p][/quote]WhyEver, please don't put words in my mouth. You even put quotation marks around them as if it was a real statement from me. In fact I said no such thing. Let me reiterate what I DO believe, add then you can quote me correctly. I do not ignore the writer, however I suspect (for reasons I gave in my posting at 4.49) that many of the letters are part of a concerted campaign to give the impression that the bridge is damaging tourism. The facts say otherwise. The figures for Christmas trading in the were at an all time record high, and the Press was full of letters complaining about how packed with tourists the streets were at St Nicholas Fayre. If I were mounting a campaign which had fallen flat on it's face (remember the predictions about total gridlock and carmageddon, and dozens of businesses closing ?) I might be tempted to coordinate some letters purporting to come from disgruntled tourists. You can quote me on that - but get your facts right this time Jonthan
  • Score: 2

7:50pm Thu 30 Jan 14

What-a-joke-they-are says...

Lunatic wrote:
I'm still adamantly against the closure. But if you manage to miss the great big "RESTRICTED ACCESS" markings scrawled in huge letters across the road several times on the approach to Lendal Bridge, you're driving without due care and attention.

York may miss a tourist or two. But it won't miss a dangerous driver.
The question is... what does RESTICTED ACCESS mean?

I agree the signage is poor and aim very conscious when even venturing near THAT bridge

To me restricted access indicates a narrow road not a £30 fine!
[quote][p][bold]Lunatic[/bold] wrote: I'm still adamantly against the closure. But if you manage to miss the great big "RESTRICTED ACCESS" markings scrawled in huge letters across the road several times on the approach to Lendal Bridge, you're driving without due care and attention. York may miss a tourist or two. But it won't miss a dangerous driver.[/p][/quote]The question is... what does RESTICTED ACCESS mean? I agree the signage is poor and aim very conscious when even venturing near THAT bridge To me restricted access indicates a narrow road not a £30 fine! What-a-joke-they-are
  • Score: -56

8:41pm Thu 30 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

How embarrassing, every recent press release made by the council contradicts normal voting protocols (thumbs up/down), and has a discreet start date.

Hilarious, people who never used to read the press on line are now doing so and all the efforts put in are having the reverse effect to that desired.

Crack-on, get them marked down, I have also added another post on another story, go get it woof, woof.


LOL.
How embarrassing, every recent press release made by the council contradicts normal voting protocols (thumbs up/down), and has a discreet start date. Hilarious, people who never used to read the press on line are now doing so and all the efforts put in are having the reverse effect to that desired. Crack-on, get them marked down, I have also added another post on another story, go get it woof, woof. LOL. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 375

9:25pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Silver says...

If a bus is in front of St Leonard's Theatre you do not see the sign. That is but one example. I've taken a taxi with 4 people 3 of whom knew about the closure and 1 who wasn't a local. I was the only one who spotted the signs because I'd been checking The Press the others weren't and only knew it'd been put on restricted access as I'd told them.
If a bus is in front of St Leonard's Theatre you do not see the sign. That is but one example. I've taken a taxi with 4 people 3 of whom knew about the closure and 1 who wasn't a local. I was the only one who spotted the signs because I'd been checking The Press the others weren't and only knew it'd been put on restricted access as I'd told them. Silver
  • Score: -60

11:05pm Thu 30 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Need some help here CoYC does that mean Corruption of Your Comments…?.

Anyway I got the highest -ve score at 11pm, badge of honour, woof, woof.
Need some help here CoYC does that mean Corruption of Your Comments…?. Anyway I got the highest -ve score at 11pm, badge of honour, woof, woof. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 5

11:08pm Thu 30 Jan 14

yorklaidtorights says...

Presumably once the council have put all the businesses in the city centre out of business they'll then re-open the bridge as traffic wont then be an issue?
Presumably once the council have put all the businesses in the city centre out of business they'll then re-open the bridge as traffic wont then be an issue? yorklaidtorights
  • Score: 6

11:09pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Silver wrote:
If a bus is in front of St Leonard's Theatre you do not see the sign. That is but one example. I've taken a taxi with 4 people 3 of whom knew about the closure and 1 who wasn't a local. I was the only one who spotted the signs because I'd been checking The Press the others weren't and only knew it'd been put on restricted access as I'd told them.
Try this simple test - stand outside Costa Coffee at the east end of the bridge and watch cars sailing past the large yellow sign with times, "cars and and motorbike restrictions" sign and pictogram for traffic cameras.Note that many cars do a U-turn when they notice it. Then get back to us.
[quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: If a bus is in front of St Leonard's Theatre you do not see the sign. That is but one example. I've taken a taxi with 4 people 3 of whom knew about the closure and 1 who wasn't a local. I was the only one who spotted the signs because I'd been checking The Press the others weren't and only knew it'd been put on restricted access as I'd told them.[/p][/quote]Try this simple test - stand outside Costa Coffee at the east end of the bridge and watch cars sailing past the large yellow sign with times, "cars and and motorbike restrictions" sign and pictogram for traffic cameras.Note that many cars do a U-turn when they notice it. Then get back to us. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 11

2:25am Fri 31 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

Stevie D wrote:
Which sock puppets are writing all these letters?
I think it's one person who has about 20 different keyboards, and has got hold of cartoon-style fake hands which have been fitted to wooden sticks that all work off the person's own hands.
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: Which sock puppets are writing all these letters?[/p][/quote]I think it's one person who has about 20 different keyboards, and has got hold of cartoon-style fake hands which have been fitted to wooden sticks that all work off the person's own hands. Magicman!
  • Score: -6

8:54am Fri 31 Jan 14

tonyfromitaly says...

TOURISTS TOURISTS we dont want you here this is a local town for local people.
York twinned with Royston Vasey.
TOURISTS TOURISTS we dont want you here this is a local town for local people. York twinned with Royston Vasey. tonyfromitaly
  • Score: 7

9:12am Fri 31 Jan 14

spockboy2 says...

Anothe dig at the council cash cow ...enjoy the ride Yorkies , this bridge is helping pay for your council tax .
Anothe dig at the council cash cow ...enjoy the ride Yorkies , this bridge is helping pay for your council tax . spockboy2
  • Score: -10

9:40am Fri 31 Jan 14

Stevie D says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.
Exactly. A few years ago in London, I got a parking fine for breaking an unsigned parking restriction (London has a byelaw where you are not allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement unless signs tell you to. How anyone from outside London is supposed to know about this byelaw has never been explained, given that it is perfectly legal to do so across the rest of the country). Did I write an angry letter to a London newspaper? No. Did I threaten never to return to London? No. Did I take it on the chin, pay the fine, and chalk it up to experience? Yes.

Sometimes there is no-one to blame but yourself. Accept it and move on.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.[/p][/quote]Exactly. A few years ago in London, I got a parking fine for breaking an [bold]unsigned[/bold] parking restriction (London has a byelaw where you are not allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement unless signs tell you to. How anyone from outside London is supposed to know about this byelaw has never been explained, given that it is perfectly legal to do so across the rest of the country). Did I write an angry letter to a London newspaper? No. Did I threaten never to return to London? No. Did I take it on the chin, pay the fine, and chalk it up to experience? Yes. Sometimes there is no-one to blame but yourself. Accept it and move on. Stevie D
  • Score: 0

10:26am Fri 31 Jan 14

yorkshirebitter says...

I may be wrong but Lendal Bridge is not a BUS LANE? I dont agree with closing the bridge, but do we really want drivers back in the City who cannot read road signs....?
I may be wrong but Lendal Bridge is not a BUS LANE? I dont agree with closing the bridge, but do we really want drivers back in the City who cannot read road signs....? yorkshirebitter
  • Score: -3

10:27am Fri 31 Jan 14

mike.......durkin says...

we all pay car tax for the roads so a such a con
we all pay car tax for the roads so a such a con mike.......durkin
  • Score: 0

11:00am Fri 31 Jan 14

Richard Catton says...

Stevie D wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.
Exactly. A few years ago in London, I got a parking fine for breaking an unsigned parking restriction (London has a byelaw where you are not allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement unless signs tell you to. How anyone from outside London is supposed to know about this byelaw has never been explained, given that it is perfectly legal to do so across the rest of the country). Did I write an angry letter to a London newspaper? No. Did I threaten never to return to London? No. Did I take it on the chin, pay the fine, and chalk it up to experience? Yes.

Sometimes there is no-one to blame but yourself. Accept it and move on.
What a bizarre attitude - "I got ripped off by Boris but I'll just roll over and take it"
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.[/p][/quote]Exactly. A few years ago in London, I got a parking fine for breaking an [bold]unsigned[/bold] parking restriction (London has a byelaw where you are not allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement unless signs tell you to. How anyone from outside London is supposed to know about this byelaw has never been explained, given that it is perfectly legal to do so across the rest of the country). Did I write an angry letter to a London newspaper? No. Did I threaten never to return to London? No. Did I take it on the chin, pay the fine, and chalk it up to experience? Yes. Sometimes there is no-one to blame but yourself. Accept it and move on.[/p][/quote]What a bizarre attitude - "I got ripped off by Boris but I'll just roll over and take it" Richard Catton
  • Score: 3

11:20am Fri 31 Jan 14

Ninja9 says...

mike.......durkin wrote:
we all pay car tax for the roads so a such a con
The Road Fund Licence was abolished 75 years ago. Vehicle Excise Duty doesn't pay for any roads.
[quote][p][bold]mike.......durkin[/bold] wrote: we all pay car tax for the roads so a such a con[/p][/quote]The Road Fund Licence was abolished 75 years ago. Vehicle Excise Duty doesn't pay for any roads. Ninja9
  • Score: 4

12:14pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Cheeky face says...

To-day's Radio York interview with James Alexender was typical, inasmuch the council think their signs are compliant. The council's signs are to be viewed by the Traffic adjudicator because of the amount of appeals. Council changed some signs by changing Lendal Bridge restricted Access to Lendal Bridge closed. But not enough were changed. Not enough diversion signs are in place. Interpretaion and action on Bus lane legislation/rules are not that clever.

I am still awaiting replies to e-mails as far back as Sept 2013!
To-day's Radio York interview with James Alexender was typical, inasmuch the council think their signs are compliant. The council's signs are to be viewed by the Traffic adjudicator because of the amount of appeals. Council changed some signs by changing Lendal Bridge restricted Access to Lendal Bridge closed. But not enough were changed. Not enough diversion signs are in place. Interpretaion and action on Bus lane legislation/rules are not that clever. I am still awaiting replies to e-mails as far back as Sept 2013! Cheeky face
  • Score: 8

1:09pm Fri 31 Jan 14

WhyEver says...

Jonthan wrote:
WhyEver wrote:
Jonthan wrote:
I think I smell a rat.

Just D. Wright, Cambridge ?? Not very convincing. All the local York and district letters are required to have a have a street address before they are published..

Sorry, but I'm a bit sceptical about these similarly worded letters popping up from all over the country. If people genuinely want to warn about the penalties on the bridge, why dont they do so in their local paper to stop others coming? Why write to the York Press, they won't stop visitors coming to York by moaning to us

Remember the recent and unlamented campaign against affordable housing, when the letters page was awash with a load of retired local builders writing similarly worded letters whinging about not being able to charge the earth for houses and flats. It was an orchestrated campaign.

This is more of the same I fear.
I hope the council don't take the same approach as you Jonathan - "we don't agree with this person so we'll ignore them". "We asked for feedback but it was mostly negative, that can't be right". If you're going to fine 40,000 visitors you must expect some of them to complain.
WhyEver, please don't put words in my mouth. You even put quotation marks around them as if it was a real statement from me. In fact I said no such thing.

Let me reiterate what I DO believe, add then you can quote me correctly. I do not ignore the writer, however I suspect (for reasons I gave in my posting at 4.49) that many of the letters are part of a concerted campaign to give the impression that the bridge is damaging tourism.
The facts say otherwise. The figures for Christmas trading in the were at an all time record high, and the Press was full of letters complaining about how packed with tourists the streets were at St Nicholas Fayre.

If I were mounting a campaign which had fallen flat on it's face (remember the predictions about total gridlock and carmageddon, and dozens of businesses closing ?) I might be tempted to coordinate some letters purporting to come from disgruntled tourists.
You can quote me on that - but get your facts right this time
Apologies for mispelling your name Jonthan, and also if I phrased it poorly. I was giving examples of what the council might say, which is why I used "We" rather than "I".

I'm against the bridge closure because I don't think the benefits to the Lendal area make up for the impact on the rest of the city, and the council has made no apology for this impact. I'm worried that the council will dismiss any feedback from residents, businesses and visitors and will just make all decisions internally.
[quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WhyEver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: I think I smell a rat. Just D. Wright, Cambridge ?? Not very convincing. All the local York and district letters are required to have a have a street address before they are published.. Sorry, but I'm a bit sceptical about these similarly worded letters popping up from all over the country. If people genuinely want to warn about the penalties on the bridge, why dont they do so in their local paper to stop others coming? Why write to the York Press, they won't stop visitors coming to York by moaning to us Remember the recent and unlamented campaign against affordable housing, when the letters page was awash with a load of retired local builders writing similarly worded letters whinging about not being able to charge the earth for houses and flats. It was an orchestrated campaign. This is more of the same I fear.[/p][/quote]I hope the council don't take the same approach as you Jonathan - "we don't agree with this person so we'll ignore them". "We asked for feedback but it was mostly negative, that can't be right". If you're going to fine 40,000 visitors you must expect some of them to complain.[/p][/quote]WhyEver, please don't put words in my mouth. You even put quotation marks around them as if it was a real statement from me. In fact I said no such thing. Let me reiterate what I DO believe, add then you can quote me correctly. I do not ignore the writer, however I suspect (for reasons I gave in my posting at 4.49) that many of the letters are part of a concerted campaign to give the impression that the bridge is damaging tourism. The facts say otherwise. The figures for Christmas trading in the were at an all time record high, and the Press was full of letters complaining about how packed with tourists the streets were at St Nicholas Fayre. If I were mounting a campaign which had fallen flat on it's face (remember the predictions about total gridlock and carmageddon, and dozens of businesses closing ?) I might be tempted to coordinate some letters purporting to come from disgruntled tourists. You can quote me on that - but get your facts right this time[/p][/quote]Apologies for mispelling your name Jonthan, and also if I phrased it poorly. I was giving examples of what the council might say, which is why I used "We" rather than "I". I'm against the bridge closure because I don't think the benefits to the Lendal area make up for the impact on the rest of the city, and the council has made no apology for this impact. I'm worried that the council will dismiss any feedback from residents, businesses and visitors and will just make all decisions internally. WhyEver
  • Score: 13

1:13pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Pedro says...

I was fined £30 for riding on pavement near Aldi. I thought it was a cycle path and it now is officially! If you see a sign saying "Restricted Access" then your brain should be saying "does this apply to me?" Nobody seems to mentioned this fact in their letters. In a world where solicitors want £200 every hour they work £30 is not the end of the world.
I was fined £30 for riding on pavement near Aldi. I thought it was a cycle path and it now is officially! If you see a sign saying "Restricted Access" then your brain should be saying "does this apply to me?" Nobody seems to mentioned this fact in their letters. In a world where solicitors want £200 every hour they work £30 is not the end of the world. Pedro
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Fri 31 Jan 14

MidnightBoo says...

metsaagain wrote:
I'm sceptical about the bridge closure- but just can't understand how people are missing the signs. There are lots of signs both ends. And to blame the map is just pathetic- it's like these people who blindly follow sat-navs up tiny country roads and then get stuck. Driving is about being aware of the surroundings and situation on the road, not relying on navigational aids/maps etc. What happened to common sense and road awareness.

Also, petulance of these people who get a small fine (whatever the underlying rights and wrongs of the closure) through their own fault and then get the hump, is staggering. You made a mistake, take it on the chin, deal with it, move on...
Well said metsaagain, there are signs on the bypass to warn of the closure, there are signs on the run up to the bridge, there's a sign that flashes at you, there's road marking and a huge solid white line.
I don't happen to agree with the 70 mph limit on UK motorways, I would prefer continental rules, but if I drive over that limit and get caught I will be fined and get points. Actions have consequences.
[quote][p][bold]metsaagain[/bold] wrote: I'm sceptical about the bridge closure- but just can't understand how people are missing the signs. There are lots of signs both ends. And to blame the map is just pathetic- it's like these people who blindly follow sat-navs up tiny country roads and then get stuck. Driving is about being aware of the surroundings and situation on the road, not relying on navigational aids/maps etc. What happened to common sense and road awareness. Also, petulance of these people who get a small fine (whatever the underlying rights and wrongs of the closure) through their own fault and then get the hump, is staggering. You made a mistake, take it on the chin, deal with it, move on...[/p][/quote]Well said metsaagain, there are signs on the bypass to warn of the closure, there are signs on the run up to the bridge, there's a sign that flashes at you, there's road marking and a huge solid white line. I don't happen to agree with the 70 mph limit on UK motorways, I would prefer continental rules, but if I drive over that limit and get caught I will be fined and get points. Actions have consequences. MidnightBoo
  • Score: 0

2:06pm Fri 31 Jan 14

MidnightBoo says...

yorklaidtorights wrote:
Presumably once the council have put all the businesses in the city centre out of business they'll then re-open the bridge as traffic wont then be an issue?
Not sure how this bridge closure affects City Centre business. The recession yes but not a road closure. York's economy is tourism based whether we like it or not. The tourists come via bus, coach, train and car. We have Park and Rides at the majority of major routes in and car parking no where near Lendal.
I don't tend to go into the City on a weekend anymore because its so busy. I think we'll be okay!
[quote][p][bold]yorklaidtorights[/bold] wrote: Presumably once the council have put all the businesses in the city centre out of business they'll then re-open the bridge as traffic wont then be an issue?[/p][/quote]Not sure how this bridge closure affects City Centre business. The recession yes but not a road closure. York's economy is tourism based whether we like it or not. The tourists come via bus, coach, train and car. We have Park and Rides at the majority of major routes in and car parking no where near Lendal. I don't tend to go into the City on a weekend anymore because its so busy. I think we'll be okay! MidnightBoo
  • Score: 3

3:23pm Fri 31 Jan 14

gurgles says...

what you doing driving when you have a white stick and a guide dog . . .
what you doing driving when you have a white stick and a guide dog . . . gurgles
  • Score: 2

3:52pm Fri 31 Jan 14

MidnightBoo says...

gurgles wrote:
what you doing driving when you have a white stick and a guide dog . . .
barks once for left and twice for right!
[quote][p][bold]gurgles[/bold] wrote: what you doing driving when you have a white stick and a guide dog . . .[/p][/quote]barks once for left and twice for right! MidnightBoo
  • Score: 2

7:18pm Fri 31 Jan 14

greggy83 says...

Even though the signs are clear, here's a suggestion to make it even clearer. Instead of using the usual "No Motor Vehicles" sign, why not use the blue "buses/taxis/authori
sed vehicles only" sign? Or would people mistake that too? What about a variable message sign similar to those on Parliament Street that twist round according to the time of day? Thoughts, people?
Even though the signs are clear, here's a suggestion to make it even clearer. Instead of using the usual "No Motor Vehicles" sign, why not use the blue "buses/taxis/authori sed vehicles only" sign? Or would people mistake that too? What about a variable message sign similar to those on Parliament Street that twist round according to the time of day? Thoughts, people? greggy83
  • Score: -2

8:13pm Fri 31 Jan 14

LadyYork1979 says...

Hang on Mr Wright (slightly ironic) from Cambridge... you have just admitted to spending hundreds of pounds in Yorks shops, museums and restaurants.. what is wrong with you then paying the fine you have incurred for blindly driving over a bridge that very clearly states restricted access.

Think you maybe need to spend hundreds of pounds getting your eyes tested...
Hang on Mr Wright (slightly ironic) from Cambridge... you have just admitted to spending hundreds of pounds in Yorks shops, museums and restaurants.. what is wrong with you then paying the fine you have incurred for blindly driving over a bridge that very clearly states restricted access. Think you maybe need to spend hundreds of pounds getting your eyes tested... LadyYork1979
  • Score: 1

8:33pm Fri 31 Jan 14

jake777 says...

timcore wrote:
If only there were signs...
there is if you open your eyes
[quote][p][bold]timcore[/bold] wrote: If only there were signs...[/p][/quote]there is if you open your eyes jake777
  • Score: 3

8:35pm Fri 31 Jan 14

jake777 says...

Lunatic wrote:
I'm still adamantly against the closure. But if you manage to miss the great big "RESTRICTED ACCESS" markings scrawled in huge letters across the road several times on the approach to Lendal Bridge, you're driving without due care and attention.

York may miss a tourist or two. But it won't miss a dangerous driver.
well said people just don't look or seem to think it does not mean them.
[quote][p][bold]Lunatic[/bold] wrote: I'm still adamantly against the closure. But if you manage to miss the great big "RESTRICTED ACCESS" markings scrawled in huge letters across the road several times on the approach to Lendal Bridge, you're driving without due care and attention. York may miss a tourist or two. But it won't miss a dangerous driver.[/p][/quote]well said people just don't look or seem to think it does not mean them. jake777
  • Score: -3

8:56pm Fri 31 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

Richard Catton wrote:
Stevie D wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.
Exactly. A few years ago in London, I got a parking fine for breaking an unsigned parking restriction (London has a byelaw where you are not allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement unless signs tell you to. How anyone from outside London is supposed to know about this byelaw has never been explained, given that it is perfectly legal to do so across the rest of the country). Did I write an angry letter to a London newspaper? No. Did I threaten never to return to London? No. Did I take it on the chin, pay the fine, and chalk it up to experience? Yes.

Sometimes there is no-one to blame but yourself. Accept it and move on.
What a bizarre attitude - "I got ripped off by Boris but I'll just roll over and take it"
No, bizarre is to stamp your little foot over something you can do nothing about and reduce your enjoyment of life by letting the incident mean you can never return to a city you really like. THAT, is bizarre.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Catton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.[/p][/quote]Exactly. A few years ago in London, I got a parking fine for breaking an [bold]unsigned[/bold] parking restriction (London has a byelaw where you are not allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement unless signs tell you to. How anyone from outside London is supposed to know about this byelaw has never been explained, given that it is perfectly legal to do so across the rest of the country). Did I write an angry letter to a London newspaper? No. Did I threaten never to return to London? No. Did I take it on the chin, pay the fine, and chalk it up to experience? Yes. Sometimes there is no-one to blame but yourself. Accept it and move on.[/p][/quote]What a bizarre attitude - "I got ripped off by Boris but I'll just roll over and take it"[/p][/quote]No, bizarre is to stamp your little foot over something you can do nothing about and reduce your enjoyment of life by letting the incident mean you can never return to a city you really like. THAT, is bizarre. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 2

9:54pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Dr Brian says...

Is anybody able to tell me if some council staff (and Councillors?) have passes that allow them to cross Lendall Bridge whilst on work duty and not be fined? I ask because I have heard that they do. This may be rumour that is untrue.

If they do thenwhy? The excuse that they are doing their job is not good enough we are all bound by the rules be we going about our work for York Council, another York business or a business from without the City.
Is anybody able to tell me if some council staff (and Councillors?) have passes that allow them to cross Lendall Bridge whilst on work duty and not be fined? I ask because I have heard that they do. This may be rumour that is untrue. If they do thenwhy? The excuse that they are doing their job is not good enough we are all bound by the rules be we going about our work for York Council, another York business or a business from without the City. Dr Brian
  • Score: 4

11:34pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Ichabod76 says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Richard Catton wrote:
Stevie D wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.
Exactly. A few years ago in London, I got a parking fine for breaking an unsigned parking restriction (London has a byelaw where you are not allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement unless signs tell you to. How anyone from outside London is supposed to know about this byelaw has never been explained, given that it is perfectly legal to do so across the rest of the country). Did I write an angry letter to a London newspaper? No. Did I threaten never to return to London? No. Did I take it on the chin, pay the fine, and chalk it up to experience? Yes.

Sometimes there is no-one to blame but yourself. Accept it and move on.
What a bizarre attitude - "I got ripped off by Boris but I'll just roll over and take it"
No, bizarre is to stamp your little foot over something you can do nothing about and reduce your enjoyment of life by letting the incident mean you can never return to a city you really like. THAT, is bizarre.
If you went to a restaurant and really enjoyed it, but on returning home you found out that they had spat in your food, would you go back ?
Would you tell your friends how nice it was ?
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard Catton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.[/p][/quote]Exactly. A few years ago in London, I got a parking fine for breaking an [bold]unsigned[/bold] parking restriction (London has a byelaw where you are not allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement unless signs tell you to. How anyone from outside London is supposed to know about this byelaw has never been explained, given that it is perfectly legal to do so across the rest of the country). Did I write an angry letter to a London newspaper? No. Did I threaten never to return to London? No. Did I take it on the chin, pay the fine, and chalk it up to experience? Yes. Sometimes there is no-one to blame but yourself. Accept it and move on.[/p][/quote]What a bizarre attitude - "I got ripped off by Boris but I'll just roll over and take it"[/p][/quote]No, bizarre is to stamp your little foot over something you can do nothing about and reduce your enjoyment of life by letting the incident mean you can never return to a city you really like. THAT, is bizarre.[/p][/quote]If you went to a restaurant and really enjoyed it, but on returning home you found out that they had spat in your food, would you go back ? Would you tell your friends how nice it was ? Ichabod76
  • Score: 1

9:24am Sat 1 Feb 14

CaroleBaines says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Richard Catton wrote:
Stevie D wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.
Exactly. A few years ago in London, I got a parking fine for breaking an unsigned parking restriction (London has a byelaw where you are not allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement unless signs tell you to. How anyone from outside London is supposed to know about this byelaw has never been explained, given that it is perfectly legal to do so across the rest of the country). Did I write an angry letter to a London newspaper? No. Did I threaten never to return to London? No. Did I take it on the chin, pay the fine, and chalk it up to experience? Yes.

Sometimes there is no-one to blame but yourself. Accept it and move on.
What a bizarre attitude - "I got ripped off by Boris but I'll just roll over and take it"
No, bizarre is to stamp your little foot over something you can do nothing about and reduce your enjoyment of life by letting the incident mean you can never return to a city you really like. THAT, is bizarre.
If you went to a restaurant and really enjoyed it, but on returning home you found out that they had spat in your food, would you go back ?
Would you tell your friends how nice it was ?
Not the best of analogy. You would condemn the whole city because of one motoring fine and never, ever, on pain of death return??? If we are doing analogies, I would say not trusting any builders because once one ripped you off.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard Catton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: The closure has been badly handled and the signage in inadequate so I am not without sympathy. But goodness, this whole nose cutting off, I'll never return thing makes me feel ill. So small minded. Why if you love a city would you deny yourself it out of what? Spite? To make a point? Madness. Never understand this sort of behaviour. Accept and move on - life is too short.[/p][/quote]Exactly. A few years ago in London, I got a parking fine for breaking an [bold]unsigned[/bold] parking restriction (London has a byelaw where you are not allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement unless signs tell you to. How anyone from outside London is supposed to know about this byelaw has never been explained, given that it is perfectly legal to do so across the rest of the country). Did I write an angry letter to a London newspaper? No. Did I threaten never to return to London? No. Did I take it on the chin, pay the fine, and chalk it up to experience? Yes. Sometimes there is no-one to blame but yourself. Accept it and move on.[/p][/quote]What a bizarre attitude - "I got ripped off by Boris but I'll just roll over and take it"[/p][/quote]No, bizarre is to stamp your little foot over something you can do nothing about and reduce your enjoyment of life by letting the incident mean you can never return to a city you really like. THAT, is bizarre.[/p][/quote]If you went to a restaurant and really enjoyed it, but on returning home you found out that they had spat in your food, would you go back ? Would you tell your friends how nice it was ?[/p][/quote]Not the best of analogy. You would condemn the whole city because of one motoring fine and never, ever, on pain of death return??? If we are doing analogies, I would say not trusting any builders because once one ripped you off. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 5

11:23am Sat 1 Feb 14

Got a life says...

You can moan about the stupidity of the council for ever, however ask just one question. How many bridges in London has Borris closed to help tourism and ease congestion?
You can moan about the stupidity of the council for ever, however ask just one question. How many bridges in London has Borris closed to help tourism and ease congestion? Got a life
  • Score: 0

6:36pm Sat 1 Feb 14

RoseD says...

yorklaidtorights wrote:
Presumably once the council have put all the businesses in the city centre out of business they'll then re-open the bridge as traffic wont then be an issue?
The whole idea is to CLOSE most businesses. They pay Biz Rates to London. When all the shops are gone except for Tesco Tinys and Morrison Minis, then the former other shops will be HOUSING where the new owner pays COUNCIL TAX. That pays for a lot of crap Kings Sq-type pavement, lots of shiny new COYC offices etc.
[quote][p][bold]yorklaidtorights[/bold] wrote: Presumably once the council have put all the businesses in the city centre out of business they'll then re-open the bridge as traffic wont then be an issue?[/p][/quote]The whole idea is to CLOSE most businesses. They pay Biz Rates to London. When all the shops are gone except for Tesco Tinys and Morrison Minis, then the former other shops will be HOUSING where the new owner pays COUNCIL TAX. That pays for a lot of crap Kings Sq-type pavement, lots of shiny new COYC offices etc. RoseD
  • Score: -44

10:14pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Dr Brian wrote:
Is anybody able to tell me if some council staff (and Councillors?) have passes that allow them to cross Lendall Bridge whilst on work duty and not be fined? I ask because I have heard that they do. This may be rumour that is untrue.

If they do thenwhy? The excuse that they are doing their job is not good enough we are all bound by the rules be we going about our work for York Council, another York business or a business from without the City.
There's no point in making rules if you don't grant yourself immunity from them.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Is anybody able to tell me if some council staff (and Councillors?) have passes that allow them to cross Lendall Bridge whilst on work duty and not be fined? I ask because I have heard that they do. This may be rumour that is untrue. If they do thenwhy? The excuse that they are doing their job is not good enough we are all bound by the rules be we going about our work for York Council, another York business or a business from without the City.[/p][/quote]There's no point in making rules if you don't grant yourself immunity from them. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 1

5:13pm Sun 2 Feb 14

dymajet says...

Never mind people, There's free parking today (sunday) to help promote trade in the city centre..............
........... Brilliant :-( (most likely so they cangive the parking attendants the day off to save on wages!)
Never mind people, There's free parking today (sunday) to help promote trade in the city centre.............. ........... Brilliant :-( (most likely so they cangive the parking attendants the day off to save on wages!) dymajet
  • Score: 2

12:22pm Mon 3 Feb 14

meme says...

Dr Brian wrote:
Is anybody able to tell me if some council staff (and Councillors?) have passes that allow them to cross Lendall Bridge whilst on work duty and not be fined? I ask because I have heard that they do. This may be rumour that is untrue.
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ENQUIRE PERHAPS DR BRIAN? THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TRUTHFULLY
Dr Brian wrote: Is anybody able to tell me if some council staff (and Councillors?) have passes that allow them to cross Lendall Bridge whilst on work duty and not be fined? I ask because I have heard that they do. This may be rumour that is untrue. FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ENQUIRE PERHAPS DR BRIAN? THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TRUTHFULLY meme
  • Score: 0

5:53pm Mon 3 Feb 14

StainedGlassDiva says...

Another fly in the ointment... Sat Nav insists that you go over the bridge if you are traveling from north side to south side of the city. I was visiting this past weekend, and happened to know of the bridge closure (even living in the U.S.) and signs were evident. The problem was knowing how to get around it with all the streets going east being pedestrianized. The person I was with, who was driving, was visiting from London and had no idea. It was only my familiarity with York that allowed me to redirect her back to Lord Mayor's Walk and round the city that way. Its not as simple if you are not from York or familiar with its road system.
Another fly in the ointment... Sat Nav insists that you go over the bridge if you are traveling from north side to south side of the city. I was visiting this past weekend, and happened to know of the bridge closure (even living in the U.S.) and signs were evident. The problem was knowing how to get around it with all the streets going east being pedestrianized. The person I was with, who was driving, was visiting from London and had no idea. It was only my familiarity with York that allowed me to redirect her back to Lord Mayor's Walk and round the city that way. Its not as simple if you are not from York or familiar with its road system. StainedGlassDiva
  • Score: 3

7:13pm Mon 3 Feb 14

again says...

So what if they got charged £30? Darned sure I couldn't afford to go to Cambridge and spend £100s but if I could I would hardly care about another £30. And even less waste my time writing to whatever paper they have in that neck of the woods.

I reckon this is just another bit of astraturfing, truth be told.
So what if they got charged £30? Darned sure I couldn't afford to go to Cambridge and spend £100s but if I could I would hardly care about another £30. And even less waste my time writing to whatever paper they have in that neck of the woods. I reckon this is just another bit of astraturfing, truth be told. again
  • Score: -1

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