How costs have grown

York Press: How costs have grown How costs have grown

THE debate over the dualling of the outer ring road (The Press, January 27) revives what actually happened when it was built.

As we know, politicians and government officials always know best over us common hoi polloi. York’s residents called for it to be built as a dual carriageway because they knew the amount of traffic it would attract, but the decision makers said their own forecast figures showed that a single carriageway would suffice.

From memory, the total cost was about £20 million, but because the builders would be on site, the additional cost of dualling would be about £4 million. To dual it now would cost £350 million according to James Alexander.

This isn’t being clever after the event. The powers-that-be were told at the time, but what does little old Joe Public know?

Geoff Robb, Hunters Close, Dunnington, York.

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1:14pm Wed 29 Jan 14

far2bizzy says...

Is there actually a verb “to dual”? And if so what is the equivalent for making a road three lanes in width? To “triple”? I need to know because (as a paid up member of the common hoi polloi) I think that while the contractors are on site adding an extra lane they may as well add two. We all know one won’t be enough, don’t we?
Is there actually a verb “to dual”? And if so what is the equivalent for making a road three lanes in width? To “triple”? I need to know because (as a paid up member of the common hoi polloi) I think that while the contractors are on site adding an extra lane they may as well add two. We all know one won’t be enough, don’t we? far2bizzy

4:30pm Wed 29 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Should have started doing it a bit ar a time, long ago. Add to that the A64 coast road single carriageways.
The opportunity was lost in the late 80's when Mrs T's Transport Minister, Robert Key came, had a look and went. Nothing done but that's government for you.
Should have started doing it a bit ar a time, long ago. Add to that the A64 coast road single carriageways. The opportunity was lost in the late 80's when Mrs T's Transport Minister, Robert Key came, had a look and went. Nothing done but that's government for you. ColdAsChristmas

7:43pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

far2bizzy wrote:
Is there actually a verb “to dual”? And if so what is the equivalent for making a road three lanes in width? To “triple”? I need to know because (as a paid up member of the common hoi polloi) I think that while the contractors are on site adding an extra lane they may as well add two. We all know one won’t be enough, don’t we?
Sorry to be pedantic, but the "dual" doesn't refer to the actual number of lanes, rather that there are two carriageways, one in each direction and separated by a verge or barrier. The national speed limit that applies is then 70mph, unless a lower limit is imposed.

Your three lane idea is a winner though, no chance of being caught out by pedalling paul's "induced demand" bringing a miserable two lane job to a grinding halt
[quote][p][bold]far2bizzy[/bold] wrote: Is there actually a verb “to dual”? And if so what is the equivalent for making a road three lanes in width? To “triple”? I need to know because (as a paid up member of the common hoi polloi) I think that while the contractors are on site adding an extra lane they may as well add two. We all know one won’t be enough, don’t we?[/p][/quote]Sorry to be pedantic, but the "dual" doesn't refer to the actual number of lanes, rather that there are two carriageways, one in each direction and separated by a verge or barrier. The national speed limit that applies is then 70mph, unless a lower limit is imposed. Your three lane idea is a winner though, no chance of being caught out by pedalling paul's "induced demand" bringing a miserable two lane job to a grinding halt Mulgrave

8:16pm Wed 29 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Should have started doing it a bit ar a time, long ago. Add to that the A64 coast road single carriageways.
The opportunity was lost in the late 80's when Mrs T's Transport Minister, Robert Key came, had a look and went. Nothing done but that's government for you.
Similarly Prescott for Labour. Nothing much of cost happens north of Watford it seems.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Should have started doing it a bit ar a time, long ago. Add to that the A64 coast road single carriageways. The opportunity was lost in the late 80's when Mrs T's Transport Minister, Robert Key came, had a look and went. Nothing done but that's government for you.[/p][/quote]Similarly Prescott for Labour. Nothing much of cost happens north of Watford it seems. CaroleBaines

11:41pm Wed 29 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Indeed Carole, I still remember Prescott standing on a platform with the Late John Smith, telling us that the next Labour government will renationalise the railways. Silly me believed him! So much for that DPM. Less time with the Diaries Secretary and more time on what he was paid for might have helped.
His Lordship wanted to close down the House of Lords before joining it!
His reason was that 'Two Jags' wanted to save the environment, as long as that didn't mean the wife's hair blowing in the wind during a short walk that turned into a drive.
Yes, he was a waste of space too and a let down to the working man as an example to follow.
Indeed Carole, I still remember Prescott standing on a platform with the Late John Smith, telling us that the next Labour government will renationalise the railways. Silly me believed him! So much for that DPM. Less time with the Diaries Secretary and more time on what he was paid for might have helped. His Lordship wanted to close down the House of Lords before joining it! His reason was that 'Two Jags' wanted to save the environment, as long as that didn't mean the wife's hair blowing in the wind during a short walk that turned into a drive. Yes, he was a waste of space too and a let down to the working man as an example to follow. ColdAsChristmas

2:12am Thu 30 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

Wasn't the A1237 built at the time when the Tories were in control of the budget?
Wasn't the A1237 built at the time when the Tories were in control of the budget? Magicman!

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