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THE other day I had my first experience of driving along one of the new 20mph zones imposed by the council. Rather much to my surprise, I was passed on the inside by a cyclist who was clearly going much faster than me.

And before the cycling brigade takes this as another anti-cycling rant, it isn’t; but it does seem a little bit of a crazy situation.

Many such schemes and daft ideas appear in The Press and everyone has differing opinions.

Please remember who has been responsible for many of these ideas when you vote in the next council elections.

Then you will be able to show your support for or against many of the following: Lendal Bridge closure; 20mph zones; bin removal; salt bin reductions; council tax hikes; Beckfield Lane tip closure; extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York; potholes in pathways and roads; dimmed street lights; A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond.

I am sure you can all think of more.

Philip E Sunley, Paddock Way, York.

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1:06pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Fat Harry says...

"but it does seem a little bit of a crazy situation"

Not really. Anyone who breaks the speed limit risks getting nicked for it. It doesn't prove the policy is wrong.
"but it does seem a little bit of a crazy situation" Not really. Anyone who breaks the speed limit risks getting nicked for it. It doesn't prove the policy is wrong. Fat Harry

4:25pm Mon 16 Dec 13

spiritofyork says...

time these cycling cretins are fremoved from our roads once and for all. enough is enough! stop pandering to the nuisance minority.
time these cycling cretins are fremoved from our roads once and for all. enough is enough! stop pandering to the nuisance minority. spiritofyork

6:04pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Sillybillies says...

spiritofyork wrote:
time these cycling cretins are fremoved from our roads once and for all. enough is enough! stop pandering to the nuisance minority.
Quite!
[quote][p][bold]spiritofyork[/bold] wrote: time these cycling cretins are fremoved from our roads once and for all. enough is enough! stop pandering to the nuisance minority.[/p][/quote]Quite! Sillybillies

7:44pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Lunatic says...

Lendal Bridge; I'm no fan of the closure, but it ends in February. And it hasn't been the disaster most claimed it would be, even according to The Press's own publishings. Besides, takes me as long to get from Holgate to James Street now as it always did.

20mph zones; don't really bother me. Not many places in York where you can safely drive faster have been affected.

Bin removal; never had a problem finding a bin in the city centre.

Salt bin reductions; can't recall a time these were kept full anyway.

Council tax hikes; I blame central government for cutting local council funding.

Beckfield Lane tip closure; James Street is only a couple miles away. No real inconvenience there.

Extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; if it keeps them off the verges, even better.

Local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York: You mean the plan that would actually define the green belt for the first time in York's history? And it'd be nice to have some homes built, too. Lib Dems never seemed too fussed with that.

Potholes in pathways and roads; better round my way now than it was a few years ago.

Dimmed street lights; I approve. I can actually see the Pleiades with the naked eye now. Less light pollution is also good for the environment.

A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond; Ah, the improvements that saw all the pot holes down Poppleton Road and at the Water End junction actually filled in? The changes that saw the ring road resurfaced along much of its length? The ones that'll see the A59/Ringroad "mini" roundabout turned into something that better suits the traffic volume? Something the Lib Dems ignored for far too long?

I'll think before voting. I've spent a lot of time remembering what things were like under the Lib Dems. As bad as you want some of these things to sound, I actually think you're just being a drama queen.
Lendal Bridge; I'm no fan of the closure, but it ends in February. And it hasn't been the disaster most claimed it would be, even according to The Press's own publishings. Besides, takes me as long to get from Holgate to James Street now as it always did. 20mph zones; don't really bother me. Not many places in York where you can safely drive faster have been affected. Bin removal; never had a problem finding a bin in the city centre. Salt bin reductions; can't recall a time these were kept full anyway. Council tax hikes; I blame central government for cutting local council funding. Beckfield Lane tip closure; James Street is only a couple miles away. No real inconvenience there. Extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; if it keeps them off the verges, even better. Local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York: You mean the plan that would actually define the green belt for the first time in York's history? And it'd be nice to have some homes built, too. Lib Dems never seemed too fussed with that. Potholes in pathways and roads; better round my way now than it was a few years ago. Dimmed street lights; I approve. I can actually see the Pleiades with the naked eye now. Less light pollution is also good for the environment. A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond; Ah, the improvements that saw all the pot holes down Poppleton Road and at the Water End junction actually filled in? The changes that saw the ring road resurfaced along much of its length? The ones that'll see the A59/Ringroad "mini" roundabout turned into something that better suits the traffic volume? Something the Lib Dems ignored for far too long? I'll think before voting. I've spent a lot of time remembering what things were like under the Lib Dems. As bad as you want some of these things to sound, I actually think you're just being a drama queen. Lunatic

9:48pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Mulgrave says...

Fat Harry wrote:
"but it does seem a little bit of a crazy situation"

Not really. Anyone who breaks the speed limit risks getting nicked for it. It doesn't prove the policy is wrong.
The limit does not apply to cyclists, however fast they travel in 20mph limits they cannot break a limit that is not applicable to them. Like Mr Sunley says; a little bit of a crazy situation....
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: "but it does seem a little bit of a crazy situation" Not really. Anyone who breaks the speed limit risks getting nicked for it. It doesn't prove the policy is wrong.[/p][/quote]The limit does not apply to cyclists, however fast they travel in 20mph limits they cannot break a limit that is not applicable to them. Like Mr Sunley says; a little bit of a crazy situation.... Mulgrave

11:51pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

Lunatic wrote:
Lendal Bridge; I'm no fan of the closure, but it ends in February. And it hasn't been the disaster most claimed it would be, even according to The Press's own publishings. Besides, takes me as long to get from Holgate to James Street now as it always did.

20mph zones; don't really bother me. Not many places in York where you can safely drive faster have been affected.

Bin removal; never had a problem finding a bin in the city centre.

Salt bin reductions; can't recall a time these were kept full anyway.

Council tax hikes; I blame central government for cutting local council funding.

Beckfield Lane tip closure; James Street is only a couple miles away. No real inconvenience there.

Extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; if it keeps them off the verges, even better.

Local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York: You mean the plan that would actually define the green belt for the first time in York's history? And it'd be nice to have some homes built, too. Lib Dems never seemed too fussed with that.

Potholes in pathways and roads; better round my way now than it was a few years ago.

Dimmed street lights; I approve. I can actually see the Pleiades with the naked eye now. Less light pollution is also good for the environment.

A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond; Ah, the improvements that saw all the pot holes down Poppleton Road and at the Water End junction actually filled in? The changes that saw the ring road resurfaced along much of its length? The ones that'll see the A59/Ringroad "mini" roundabout turned into something that better suits the traffic volume? Something the Lib Dems ignored for far too long?

I'll think before voting. I've spent a lot of time remembering what things were like under the Lib Dems. As bad as you want some of these things to sound, I actually think you're just being a drama queen.
You should change your tagline from Lunatic to Sensible Bloke
[quote][p][bold]Lunatic[/bold] wrote: Lendal Bridge; I'm no fan of the closure, but it ends in February. And it hasn't been the disaster most claimed it would be, even according to The Press's own publishings. Besides, takes me as long to get from Holgate to James Street now as it always did. 20mph zones; don't really bother me. Not many places in York where you can safely drive faster have been affected. Bin removal; never had a problem finding a bin in the city centre. Salt bin reductions; can't recall a time these were kept full anyway. Council tax hikes; I blame central government for cutting local council funding. Beckfield Lane tip closure; James Street is only a couple miles away. No real inconvenience there. Extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; if it keeps them off the verges, even better. Local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York: You mean the plan that would actually define the green belt for the first time in York's history? And it'd be nice to have some homes built, too. Lib Dems never seemed too fussed with that. Potholes in pathways and roads; better round my way now than it was a few years ago. Dimmed street lights; I approve. I can actually see the Pleiades with the naked eye now. Less light pollution is also good for the environment. A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond; Ah, the improvements that saw all the pot holes down Poppleton Road and at the Water End junction actually filled in? The changes that saw the ring road resurfaced along much of its length? The ones that'll see the A59/Ringroad "mini" roundabout turned into something that better suits the traffic volume? Something the Lib Dems ignored for far too long? I'll think before voting. I've spent a lot of time remembering what things were like under the Lib Dems. As bad as you want some of these things to sound, I actually think you're just being a drama queen.[/p][/quote]You should change your tagline from Lunatic to Sensible Bloke Jonthan

1:06am Tue 17 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

Mulgrave wrote:
Fat Harry wrote:
"but it does seem a little bit of a crazy situation"

Not really. Anyone who breaks the speed limit risks getting nicked for it. It doesn't prove the policy is wrong.
The limit does not apply to cyclists, however fast they travel in 20mph limits they cannot break a limit that is not applicable to them. Like Mr Sunley says; a little bit of a crazy situation....
This is true, the speed restriction is within a red roundel, which means they only apply to motorised vehicles - so electric bicycles have to remain within the speed limit but not pedal cycles. The only 2 red roundel signs that apply to cyclists are the sign showing a bicycle within a red rounded ('No Cycling') or a blank pictogram with red roundel ('No Vehicles of any type')
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: "but it does seem a little bit of a crazy situation" Not really. Anyone who breaks the speed limit risks getting nicked for it. It doesn't prove the policy is wrong.[/p][/quote]The limit does not apply to cyclists, however fast they travel in 20mph limits they cannot break a limit that is not applicable to them. Like Mr Sunley says; a little bit of a crazy situation....[/p][/quote]This is true, the speed restriction is within a red roundel, which means they only apply to motorised vehicles - so electric bicycles have to remain within the speed limit but not pedal cycles. The only 2 red roundel signs that apply to cyclists are the sign showing a bicycle within a red rounded ('No Cycling') or a blank pictogram with red roundel ('No Vehicles of any type') Magicman!

1:14am Tue 17 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

Then you will be able to show your support for or against many of the following: Lendal Bridge closure; 20mph zones; bin removal; salt bin reductions; council tax hikes; Beckfield Lane tip closure; extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York; potholes in pathways and roads; dimmed street lights; A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond.

You missed out "extended traffic queues along A19 Shipton Road due to traffic signal timing alterations being made to double the length of time Water End has on green so as to fool people into thinking removing the cycle lane reduced congestion on Water End".

--

Anyway, I am a bit baffled by the mentioning of dimmed street lights. The only streets where the lights are dimmed are Museum Street, Blake Street, Lendal, St Helens Square, Davygate, Coney Street, New Street, Market Street, Spurriergate, High Ousegate and Coppergate - the lights have lamps that normally use 150 Watts of power, but this has been dimmed to 100 Watts from dusk to dawn; studies have shown that when a road's light source is upgraded from a poor light source such as sodium (orange or yellow glow depending on type, some cheaper lamps glow pinkish) to a good light source such as pure white, the level of illumination can be taken down a stage without it being visible to the human eye. This has been adopted across York for at least 3 years now (example being the removal of 2,000 lights that were using an average of 100 Watts each being replaced by ones using 45 Watts each). Compare York's lighting to Leeds, particularly on side streets where the lanterns were kept at the same power and now the streets are practically floodlit like football pitches and residents have had to buy blackout curtains - whilst Leeds city council has seen their electricity bills more then double since their new lights went in.
[quote]Then you will be able to show your support for or against many of the following: Lendal Bridge closure; 20mph zones; bin removal; salt bin reductions; council tax hikes; Beckfield Lane tip closure; extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York; potholes in pathways and roads; dimmed street lights; A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond. [/quote] You missed out "extended traffic queues along A19 Shipton Road due to traffic signal timing alterations being made to double the length of time Water End has on green so as to fool people into thinking removing the cycle lane reduced congestion on Water End". -- Anyway, I am a bit baffled by the mentioning of dimmed street lights. The only streets where the lights are dimmed are Museum Street, Blake Street, Lendal, St Helens Square, Davygate, Coney Street, New Street, Market Street, Spurriergate, High Ousegate and Coppergate - the lights have lamps that normally use 150 Watts of power, but this has been dimmed to 100 Watts from dusk to dawn; studies have shown that when a road's light source is upgraded from a poor light source such as sodium (orange or yellow glow depending on type, some cheaper lamps glow pinkish) to a good light source such as pure white, the level of illumination can be taken down a stage without it being visible to the human eye. This has been adopted across York for at least 3 years now (example being the removal of 2,000 lights that were using an average of 100 Watts each being replaced by ones using 45 Watts each). Compare York's lighting to Leeds, particularly on side streets where the lanterns were kept at the same power and now the streets are practically floodlit like football pitches and residents have had to buy blackout curtains - whilst Leeds city council has seen their electricity bills more then double since their new lights went in. Magicman!

10:10am Tue 17 Dec 13

pedalling paul says...

I enjoy peak time travel into York. Whizzing past car drivers who are cooped up in their metal boxes, Touch of jealousy somewhere........ ?
I enjoy peak time travel into York. Whizzing past car drivers who are cooped up in their metal boxes, Touch of jealousy somewhere........ ? pedalling paul

10:32am Tue 17 Dec 13

Lunatic says...

Jonthan wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Lendal Bridge; I'm no fan of the closure, but it ends in February. And it hasn't been the disaster most claimed it would be, even according to The Press's own publishings. Besides, takes me as long to get from Holgate to James Street now as it always did.

20mph zones; don't really bother me. Not many places in York where you can safely drive faster have been affected.

Bin removal; never had a problem finding a bin in the city centre.

Salt bin reductions; can't recall a time these were kept full anyway.

Council tax hikes; I blame central government for cutting local council funding.

Beckfield Lane tip closure; James Street is only a couple miles away. No real inconvenience there.

Extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; if it keeps them off the verges, even better.

Local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York: You mean the plan that would actually define the green belt for the first time in York's history? And it'd be nice to have some homes built, too. Lib Dems never seemed too fussed with that.

Potholes in pathways and roads; better round my way now than it was a few years ago.

Dimmed street lights; I approve. I can actually see the Pleiades with the naked eye now. Less light pollution is also good for the environment.

A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond; Ah, the improvements that saw all the pot holes down Poppleton Road and at the Water End junction actually filled in? The changes that saw the ring road resurfaced along much of its length? The ones that'll see the A59/Ringroad "mini" roundabout turned into something that better suits the traffic volume? Something the Lib Dems ignored for far too long?

I'll think before voting. I've spent a lot of time remembering what things were like under the Lib Dems. As bad as you want some of these things to sound, I actually think you're just being a drama queen.
You should change your tagline from Lunatic to Sensible Bloke
Not much room for sense in York's electorate these days, it seems. So much drama over nothing.

And how quickly they forget how inept and ineffectual the previous lot were.
[quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lunatic[/bold] wrote: Lendal Bridge; I'm no fan of the closure, but it ends in February. And it hasn't been the disaster most claimed it would be, even according to The Press's own publishings. Besides, takes me as long to get from Holgate to James Street now as it always did. 20mph zones; don't really bother me. Not many places in York where you can safely drive faster have been affected. Bin removal; never had a problem finding a bin in the city centre. Salt bin reductions; can't recall a time these were kept full anyway. Council tax hikes; I blame central government for cutting local council funding. Beckfield Lane tip closure; James Street is only a couple miles away. No real inconvenience there. Extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; if it keeps them off the verges, even better. Local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York: You mean the plan that would actually define the green belt for the first time in York's history? And it'd be nice to have some homes built, too. Lib Dems never seemed too fussed with that. Potholes in pathways and roads; better round my way now than it was a few years ago. Dimmed street lights; I approve. I can actually see the Pleiades with the naked eye now. Less light pollution is also good for the environment. A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond; Ah, the improvements that saw all the pot holes down Poppleton Road and at the Water End junction actually filled in? The changes that saw the ring road resurfaced along much of its length? The ones that'll see the A59/Ringroad "mini" roundabout turned into something that better suits the traffic volume? Something the Lib Dems ignored for far too long? I'll think before voting. I've spent a lot of time remembering what things were like under the Lib Dems. As bad as you want some of these things to sound, I actually think you're just being a drama queen.[/p][/quote]You should change your tagline from Lunatic to Sensible Bloke[/p][/quote]Not much room for sense in York's electorate these days, it seems. So much drama over nothing. And how quickly they forget how inept and ineffectual the previous lot were. Lunatic

10:36am Tue 17 Dec 13

Mulgrave says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I enjoy peak time travel into York. Whizzing past car drivers who are cooped up in their metal boxes, Touch of jealousy somewhere........ ?
In the remote chance that some driver is actually feeling jeaulous of a fellow traveller exposed to the elements, there is never a better time than the week before Christmas to get a deal on a convertible ready for spring.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I enjoy peak time travel into York. Whizzing past car drivers who are cooped up in their metal boxes, Touch of jealousy somewhere........ ?[/p][/quote]In the remote chance that some driver is actually feeling jeaulous of a fellow traveller exposed to the elements, there is never a better time than the week before Christmas to get a deal on a convertible ready for spring. Mulgrave

11:29pm Wed 18 Dec 13

AnotherPointofView says...

Lunatic wrote:
Lendal Bridge; I'm no fan of the closure, but it ends in February. And it hasn't been the disaster most claimed it would be, even according to The Press's own publishings. Besides, takes me as long to get from Holgate to James Street now as it always did.

20mph zones; don't really bother me. Not many places in York where you can safely drive faster have been affected.

Bin removal; never had a problem finding a bin in the city centre.

Salt bin reductions; can't recall a time these were kept full anyway.

Council tax hikes; I blame central government for cutting local council funding.

Beckfield Lane tip closure; James Street is only a couple miles away. No real inconvenience there.

Extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; if it keeps them off the verges, even better.

Local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York: You mean the plan that would actually define the green belt for the first time in York's history? And it'd be nice to have some homes built, too. Lib Dems never seemed too fussed with that.

Potholes in pathways and roads; better round my way now than it was a few years ago.

Dimmed street lights; I approve. I can actually see the Pleiades with the naked eye now. Less light pollution is also good for the environment.

A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond; Ah, the improvements that saw all the pot holes down Poppleton Road and at the Water End junction actually filled in? The changes that saw the ring road resurfaced along much of its length? The ones that'll see the A59/Ringroad "mini" roundabout turned into something that better suits the traffic volume? Something the Lib Dems ignored for far too long?

I'll think before voting. I've spent a lot of time remembering what things were like under the Lib Dems. As bad as you want some of these things to sound, I actually think you're just being a drama queen.
The bridge closure ends in February? No it doesn't. The council have said they will make their mind up after a further two months, so that's April at least, then it will be made permanent.

Only a lunatic would believe this disaster for York ends in February....
[quote][p][bold]Lunatic[/bold] wrote: Lendal Bridge; I'm no fan of the closure, but it ends in February. And it hasn't been the disaster most claimed it would be, even according to The Press's own publishings. Besides, takes me as long to get from Holgate to James Street now as it always did. 20mph zones; don't really bother me. Not many places in York where you can safely drive faster have been affected. Bin removal; never had a problem finding a bin in the city centre. Salt bin reductions; can't recall a time these were kept full anyway. Council tax hikes; I blame central government for cutting local council funding. Beckfield Lane tip closure; James Street is only a couple miles away. No real inconvenience there. Extensions to travellers’ sites and proposed new ones; if it keeps them off the verges, even better. Local development plan; proposed building on green belt; proposals to build an extra 22,000 homes in York: You mean the plan that would actually define the green belt for the first time in York's history? And it'd be nice to have some homes built, too. Lib Dems never seemed too fussed with that. Potholes in pathways and roads; better round my way now than it was a few years ago. Dimmed street lights; I approve. I can actually see the Pleiades with the naked eye now. Less light pollution is also good for the environment. A59 Park & Ride and all the changes that go with it along Boroughbridge Road and beyond; Ah, the improvements that saw all the pot holes down Poppleton Road and at the Water End junction actually filled in? The changes that saw the ring road resurfaced along much of its length? The ones that'll see the A59/Ringroad "mini" roundabout turned into something that better suits the traffic volume? Something the Lib Dems ignored for far too long? I'll think before voting. I've spent a lot of time remembering what things were like under the Lib Dems. As bad as you want some of these things to sound, I actually think you're just being a drama queen.[/p][/quote]The bridge closure ends in February? No it doesn't. The council have said they will make their mind up after a further two months, so that's April at least, then it will be made permanent. Only a lunatic would believe this disaster for York ends in February.... AnotherPointofView

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