Now that’s all lit up

York Press: Now that’s all lit up Now that’s all lit up

WHILE visiting relatives near Oxford, one evening we saw a cyclist on the road in front of us. He had a yellow jacket with the illuminated strips, a very bright rear light on his bicycle and another on his helmet and also pedal lights. You could see him well in advance.

Wouldn’t it be nice if all cyclists made themselves visible like this at night?

Mrs M Robinson, Broadway, York.

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10:28am Fri 13 Dec 13

pedalling paul says...

Extensive research has shown that Increased cyclist conspicuity encourages some other road users to take greater risks by overtaking such cyclists faster and closer. Legally compliant lighting enhanced perhaps by pedal reflectors, are all that an urban cyclist should require for a safe journey.

I have a hi-vis jacket It has the message POLITE cyclist on the back, and seems to some to resemble a POLICE jacket, at a distance. Amazingly when I wear it, there is a remarkable effect upon the behaviour of other road users.
Extensive research has shown that Increased cyclist conspicuity encourages some other road users to take greater risks by overtaking such cyclists faster and closer. Legally compliant lighting enhanced perhaps by pedal reflectors, are all that an urban cyclist should require for a safe journey. I have a hi-vis jacket It has the message POLITE cyclist on the back, and seems to some to resemble a POLICE jacket, at a distance. Amazingly when I wear it, there is a remarkable effect upon the behaviour of other road users. pedalling paul

3:10pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

Hooray for the hall monitor!
Hooray for the hall monitor! Buzzz Light-year

3:44pm Fri 13 Dec 13

CHISSY1 says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Hooray for the hall monitor!
What a sad little person you are.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Hooray for the hall monitor![/p][/quote]What a sad little person you are. CHISSY1

3:47pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bo Jolly says...

Paul,

'Extensive research' - Please post some sort of link to back up your assertion. The (single) study you have previously referred to was non peer-reviewed, had a seriously flawed methodology (the subject cyclist 'guessed' how far away from the kerb he was on each of his test runs), and did NOT test extra lighting or hi-vis clothing. I think you are making it up. And you're playing fast and loose with other people's safety.

I also note that you admit to wearing a hi-vis jacket yourself, while advising others that they don't need to. That, I think, makes you a massive hypocrite.





I have a hi-vis jacket It has the message POLITE cyclist on the back, and seems to some to resemble a POLICE jacket, at a distance. Amazingly when I wear it, there is a remarkable effect upon the behaviour of other road users.
Paul, 'Extensive research' - Please post some sort of link to back up your assertion. The (single) study you have previously referred to was non peer-reviewed, had a seriously flawed methodology (the subject cyclist 'guessed' how far away from the kerb he was on each of his test runs), and did NOT test extra lighting or hi-vis clothing. I think you are making it up. And you're playing fast and loose with other people's safety. I also note that you admit to wearing a hi-vis jacket yourself, while advising others that they don't need to. That, I think, makes you a massive hypocrite. I have a hi-vis jacket It has the message POLITE cyclist on the back, and seems to some to resemble a POLICE jacket, at a distance. Amazingly when I wear it, there is a remarkable effect upon the behaviour of other road users. Bo Jolly

3:48pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bo Jolly says...

That's a quote from Paul at the bottom of my last post, not my own contribution...
That's a quote from Paul at the bottom of my last post, not my own contribution... Bo Jolly

4:17pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote: Hooray for the hall monitor!
What a sad little person you are.
Is that an insult and an admission?
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Hooray for the hall monitor![/p][/quote]What a sad little person you are.[/p][/quote]Is that an insult and an admission? Buzzz Light-year

4:17pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote: Hooray for the hall monitor!
What a sad little person you are.
Is that an insult and an admission?
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Hooray for the hall monitor![/p][/quote]What a sad little person you are.[/p][/quote]Is that an insult and an admission? Buzzz Light-year

5:05pm Fri 13 Dec 13

CHISSY1 says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote: Hooray for the hall monitor!
What a sad little person you are.
Is that an insult and an admission?
Will you please learn how to use a keyboard.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Hooray for the hall monitor![/p][/quote]What a sad little person you are.[/p][/quote]Is that an insult and an admission?[/p][/quote]Will you please learn how to use a keyboard. CHISSY1

5:28pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Sillybillies says...

Bo Jolly says...
Paul,
'Extensive research' - Please post some sort of link to back up your assertion. The (single) study you have previously referred to was non peer-reviewed, had a seriously flawed methodology (the subject cyclist 'guessed' how far away from the kerb he was on each of his test runs), and did NOT test extra lighting or hi-vis clothing. I think you are making it up. And you're playing fast and loose with other people's safety.
I also note that you admit to wearing a hi-vis jacket yourself, while advising others that they don't need to. That, I think, makes you a massive hypocrite.

It's worrying that he purports to be a cycling champion and self appointed cycling advisor who has the ear (apparently) of the anti-car brigade on the council, which is most of them. However, the greatest example of his hypocrisy is that he is a guide on one of the fume belching double decker tourist buses, for whom the Lendal Bridge closure is the best thing since sliced bread.
[quote]Bo Jolly says... Paul, 'Extensive research' - Please post some sort of link to back up your assertion. The (single) study you have previously referred to was non peer-reviewed, had a seriously flawed methodology (the subject cyclist 'guessed' how far away from the kerb he was on each of his test runs), and did NOT test extra lighting or hi-vis clothing. I think you are making it up. And you're playing fast and loose with other people's safety. I also note that you admit to wearing a hi-vis jacket yourself, while advising others that they don't need to. That, I think, makes you a massive hypocrite.[/quote] It's worrying that he purports to be a cycling champion and self appointed cycling advisor who has the ear (apparently) of the anti-car brigade on the council, which is most of them. However, the greatest example of his hypocrisy is that he is a guide on one of the fume belching double decker tourist buses, for whom the Lendal Bridge closure is the best thing since sliced bread. Sillybillies

2:32am Sat 14 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote: Hooray for the hall monitor!
What a sad little person you are.
Is that an insult and an admission?
Will you please learn how to use a keyboard.
Oh FFS are we not able to have ONE thread where you come on and start your petty little name slinging matches. Grow up and make some worthwhile contributions.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Hooray for the hall monitor![/p][/quote]What a sad little person you are.[/p][/quote]Is that an insult and an admission?[/p][/quote]Will you please learn how to use a keyboard.[/p][/quote]Oh FFS are we not able to have ONE thread where you come on and start your petty little name slinging matches. Grow up and make some worthwhile contributions. Magicman!

2:40am Sat 14 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

Personal experience has shown that you can light up your bike like a christmas tree, but it does not stop people driving in a stupid and dangerous manner that can cause you harm. Two consecutive days now I have been cut up by a left turning vehicle either 2 meters or less from the road turning... thursday it was by a red Fiat Punto deciding to overtake me on Nunnery Lane with his left indicator already going, him starting to turn left as soon as the 1st half of his car was past me; and then on friday it was in Fulford with a new Mini overtaking me and she was already starting to turn left whilst still beside me... On both occasions I followed the cars, the girl driving the Mini said "but you were close to the car" as if somehow it's the fault of the cyclist for being at that particular point on the road at that time; and the fiat driver, well he didn't have the balls to get out of the car - he just sat there at the end of Swann Street for 5 minutes waiting for me to go away. I have spent a considerable sum of money upgrading the lights on my bike, making sure that there is a full 360 degree coverage (if you cannot see the front or rear lights, you will be able to see at least one side marker light) - and it has made absolutely no difference as to how at least 50% of York's drivers treat me on the bike.
Personal experience has shown that you can light up your bike like a christmas tree, but it does not stop people driving in a stupid and dangerous manner that can cause you harm. Two consecutive days now I have been cut up by a left turning vehicle either 2 meters or less from the road turning... thursday it was by a red Fiat Punto deciding to overtake me on Nunnery Lane with his left indicator already going, him starting to turn left as soon as the 1st half of his car was past me; and then on friday it was in Fulford with a new Mini overtaking me and she was already starting to turn left whilst still beside me... On both occasions I followed the cars, the girl driving the Mini said "but you were close to the car" as if somehow it's the fault of the cyclist for being at that particular point on the road at that time; and the fiat driver, well he didn't have the balls to get out of the car - he just sat there at the end of Swann Street for 5 minutes waiting for me to go away. I have spent a considerable sum of money upgrading the lights on my bike, making sure that there is a full 360 degree coverage (if you cannot see the front or rear lights, you will be able to see at least one side marker light) - and it has made absolutely no difference as to how at least 50% of York's drivers treat me on the bike. Magicman!

7:28am Sat 14 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Extensive research has shown that Increased cyclist conspicuity encourages some other road users to take greater risks by overtaking such cyclists faster and closer. Legally compliant lighting enhanced perhaps by pedal reflectors, are all that an urban cyclist should require for a safe journey.

I have a hi-vis jacket It has the message POLITE cyclist on the back, and seems to some to resemble a POLICE jacket, at a distance. Amazingly when I wear it, there is a remarkable effect upon the behaviour of other road users.
So when the cyclist is picking himself up from the road, scratching his/her head and saying 'can't understand it, I had pedal reflectors and a lamp back and front I know they weren't as bright as the new LED lights but they legally compliment'.
Paul, light your bike like a Christmas tree please, be seen, stand out against all the new xenon car headlights in use today, as for your high-vis jacket that is completly SAD, marks you out as good target?
Remember 'be careful out there' lights with the power of a 'TocH' lamp are no good nowadays!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Extensive research has shown that Increased cyclist conspicuity encourages some other road users to take greater risks by overtaking such cyclists faster and closer. Legally compliant lighting enhanced perhaps by pedal reflectors, are all that an urban cyclist should require for a safe journey. I have a hi-vis jacket It has the message POLITE cyclist on the back, and seems to some to resemble a POLICE jacket, at a distance. Amazingly when I wear it, there is a remarkable effect upon the behaviour of other road users.[/p][/quote]So when the cyclist is picking himself up from the road, scratching his/her head and saying 'can't understand it, I had pedal reflectors and a lamp back and front I know they weren't as bright as the new LED lights but they legally compliment'. Paul, light your bike like a Christmas tree please, be seen, stand out against all the new xenon car headlights in use today, as for your high-vis jacket that is completly SAD, marks you out as good target? Remember 'be careful out there' lights with the power of a 'TocH' lamp are no good nowadays! Igiveinthen

12:50pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Sillybillies says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Extensive research has shown that Increased cyclist conspicuity encourages some other road users to take greater risks by overtaking such cyclists faster and closer. Legally compliant lighting enhanced perhaps by pedal reflectors, are all that an urban cyclist should require for a safe journey.

I have a hi-vis jacket It has the message POLITE cyclist on the back, and seems to some to resemble a POLICE jacket, at a distance. Amazingly when I wear it, there is a remarkable effect upon the behaviour of other road users.
So when the cyclist is picking himself up from the road, scratching his/her head and saying 'can't understand it, I had pedal reflectors and a lamp back and front I know they weren't as bright as the new LED lights but they legally compliment'.
Paul, light your bike like a Christmas tree please, be seen, stand out against all the new xenon car headlights in use today, as for your high-vis jacket that is completly SAD, marks you out as good target?
Remember 'be careful out there' lights with the power of a 'TocH' lamp are no good nowadays!
Most cyclists in York display no lights at all during the hours of darkness, and wear dark clothing. However, this is just the tip of the iceberg of cycling lunacy to be observed in York.

In addition to most ignoring all traffic lights and road signs, many are oblivious of their surroundings due to being plugged into MP3 players under their hoods, they weave in and out of traffic and pull out from road junctions without looking. Then there is the lunacy of riding with no hands whilst texting of otherwise using a mobile phones, which is increasingly common.

The fact that there is not a significant death toll of cyclists every week is due to the great skill of other road users, especially professional drivers such as taxi and bus drivers who have to put up with them more than most.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Extensive research has shown that Increased cyclist conspicuity encourages some other road users to take greater risks by overtaking such cyclists faster and closer. Legally compliant lighting enhanced perhaps by pedal reflectors, are all that an urban cyclist should require for a safe journey. I have a hi-vis jacket It has the message POLITE cyclist on the back, and seems to some to resemble a POLICE jacket, at a distance. Amazingly when I wear it, there is a remarkable effect upon the behaviour of other road users.[/p][/quote]So when the cyclist is picking himself up from the road, scratching his/her head and saying 'can't understand it, I had pedal reflectors and a lamp back and front I know they weren't as bright as the new LED lights but they legally compliment'. Paul, light your bike like a Christmas tree please, be seen, stand out against all the new xenon car headlights in use today, as for your high-vis jacket that is completly SAD, marks you out as good target? Remember 'be careful out there' lights with the power of a 'TocH' lamp are no good nowadays![/p][/quote]Most cyclists in York display no lights at all during the hours of darkness, and wear dark clothing. However, this is just the tip of the iceberg of cycling lunacy to be observed in York. In addition to most ignoring all traffic lights and road signs, many are oblivious of their surroundings due to being plugged into MP3 players under their hoods, they weave in and out of traffic and pull out from road junctions without looking. Then there is the lunacy of riding with no hands whilst texting of otherwise using a mobile phones, which is increasingly common. The fact that there is not a significant death toll of cyclists every week is due to the great skill of other road users, especially professional drivers such as taxi and bus drivers who have to put up with them more than most. Sillybillies

8:34am Mon 16 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

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http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Troll_(Inte rnet) http://idioms.thefre edictionary.com/out+ of+the+closet Buzzz Light-year

4:33pm Mon 16 Dec 13

spiritofyork says...

email your police service and ask for direct targetting of cyclists breaking the law. If they are caught bikes should be siezed and the riders hauled before the courts. THis is an outrage that the cyclists think they can get away with anything. When one is killed they always presume the driver is at fault - probably not the case.
email your police service and ask for direct targetting of cyclists breaking the law. If they are caught bikes should be siezed and the riders hauled before the courts. THis is an outrage that the cyclists think they can get away with anything. When one is killed they always presume the driver is at fault - probably not the case. spiritofyork

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