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Planners should soon decide whether to approve plans for new shops at Monks Cross that would enable York’s new community stadium to go ahead. STEPHEN LEWIS looks at the pros and cons.

ON THE face of it, it is a simple enough proposition. A developer has offered York £17 million to build a new community stadium at Monks Cross, together with related community facilities and a new athletics track at Heslington.

In return, the city council is being asked by developer Oakgate to agree to allow 244,000 sq ft of new shops to be built at Monks Cross. One of the new shops would be a John Lewis store.

Things are never simple in York, however. The planning application has divided the city. Many city-centre retailers insist an expansion of out-of-town shopping at Monks Cross could hit their businesses hard, and seriously damage the economy of the city centre.

Oakgate, meanwhile, counters that a John Lewis store would brings more shoppers to York, helping the city compete against regional rivals such as Leeds.

In addition, the scheme will see 1,000 permanent new jobs, as well as 275 during the construction phase.

Both sides have their supporters. More than 1,200 people have responded to a consultation on the scheme. Of these, 693 were in favour, 413 against, and 129 made general observations.

City planners will meet probably on March 22 to decide on the scheme. Here is our own guide to the issues...

The retail impact on York

THE deal Oakgate is offering is effectively to pay for a new community stadium and community building at Monks Cross, and to contribute towards the cost of a new athletics track at Heslington East, in return for planning approval to build three new stores and two kiosks at Monks Cross. One of the new stores would be occupied by Marks & Spencer and another by John Lewis.

There would be nothing unusual in such an arrangement. It is known in planning jargon as an ‘enabling development’. This is a development that would bring public benefits that might otherwise not be possible. Often, an enabling development might cause what planners refer to as some ‘disbenefit’, which must be balanced against the community benefit on offer.

The disbenefit of the Oakgate proposal is that it flies in the teeth of ‘sequential testing’: the principle – set out at national, regional and local level – that town and city-centre retail development should be prioritised over out-of-town.

One of the judgements York planners will have to make when considering the application, therefore, is whether the benefit to the city of the new community stadium would outweigh any impact an out-of-town expansion at Monks Cross could have on shops in the city centre.

There will clearly be some impact. The city council estimates the total amount of retail space in the city centre to be just under 1.5 million square feet. The existing shops at Monks Cross total just under 300,000 sq feet – although The Press understands this does not include shops which sell food. The new Oakgate development would add a further 244,000 sq feet to this.

But what would the impact on city centre traders be?

A report by retail analysts GVA Grimley suggested that in 2016 alone, city-centre retailers could lose almost £90 million in business – equivalent to 17 per cent of the entire city centre turnover in sales of non-food goods. City-centre retailers opposed to the scheme cite this in support of their argument that the expansion of Monks Cross would have a devastating impact on their business.

Adam Sinclair, the boss of Mulberry Hall and chairman of the York Chamber of Trade, has gone on record as saying the Monks Cross scheme represents the “biggest risk the city centre has ever faced”. City-centre businesses simply couldn’t compete with the free parking and ease of access available at Monks Cross, Mr Sinclair says.

“The risk is that we would get a second commercial heart of the city, which would compete with the existing city centre and undermine it.”

Unsurprisingly, however, Oakgate dispute the GVA Grimley figures. Yes, there would be some spending diverted from the city centre to Monks Cross if there were to be a new John Lewis and Marks & Spencer there, the company says. But it estimates the city centre would only lose less than seven per cent of its business, or about £35 million – far less than the GVA estimate.

And overall, Oakgate argues, the lure of John Lewis would help ensure York as a whole benefited to the tune of about £12 million in extra shopping spend a year – and would be better placed to compete with rival centres such as Leeds.

For Oakgate boss Richard France, the clincher is that the scheme would create 1,000 permanent jobs, and another 275 during the construction phase.

“The mantra of the government is jobs and growth,” Mr France said. “This scheme is about both. At a time when we’ve got more than 3,000 people unemployed in York, it takes one third of that out.”

There is a further complication for planners to consider, however.

A central plank of the city council’s medium-term plan for the city centre is the redevelopment of the rundown area around Clifford’s Tower and Piccadilly.

But LaSalle, the company behind proposals for a £100 to £150 million redevelopment of the Castle Piccadilly area, says it would pull out if the Monks Cross development were to go ahead.

There isn’t sufficient shopping demand in the city to support both schemes, said Graham Chalk of Centros, which is acting as LaSalle’s development manager.

“The expansion of out-of-town shopping that’s been proposed would suck the lifeblood out of the city centre,” he said.

Planners will be duty-bound to consider the Oakgate scheme on its own merits.

But the impact of the Monks Cross scheme on the council’s ability to deliver on its hopes for Castle Piccadilly might nevertheless have to be weighed in the balance.

Does York need a community stadium?

THE key call planners will have to make is whether the benefits of a new community stadium for York outweigh the potential impact on the city centre of more shops at Monks Cross.

The stadium proposals certainly look attractive. Oakgate is effectively offering to finance a new 6,000-seater stadium on the site of Huntington Stadium which would serve as a home to York City and the Knights; a community building which would house a range of health and community facilities; and an artificial 3G pitch which could be used for football coaching and would be available for school football and rugby teams and others.

In addition, Oakgate would contribute towards a new county-standard athletics ground at Heslington East. The total value of Oakgate’s contribution would be about £17 million.

But how much does the city really need a new stadium?

Following a meeting earlier this week, all three sports clubs mainly affected by the development have now come out and backed the scheme. Here is what they say:

• York City Football Club says the new stadium is vital to secure full-time professional football in York. The club’s Bootham Crescent ground is a decaying, 1932 stadium which has not had any major investment for more than 20 years, says the club’s communications and community director, Sophie Hicks.

The facilities for supporters are antiquated, the players’ changing rooms have not been improved since the 1950s, hospitality facilities have a view of the car park rather than the pitch, and maintenance costs just to keep the stadium safe are put at £150,000 per season. “To be blunt, the ground is falling to bits,” Mrs Hicks said.

The club estimates it would cost between £8 million and £10 million to refurbish the ground – money it simply doesn’t have.

Even worse, the club had to borrow £2 million from the Football Stadia Improvement Fund in 2004 to buy back Bootham Crescent from the previous directors. The deadline on this loan is 2013. Unless the new stadium deal goes ahead, that loan is likely to be called in. “The only way to repay this would be to sell Bootham Crescent, which would leave the club homeless,” Mrs Hicks said. The club would have to halve its playing budget and go part-time.

That would be a devastating blow not only to the club’s many supporters, but also to its community work, Mrs Hicks said. The club’s community team interacts with more than 15,000 young people every year.

• City of York Athletic Club agrees the deal is too good to miss. Huntington Stadium, where the club is presently based, is no longer fit for purpose as an athletics track, says the club chairman Neil Hunter.

The track needs relaying; and the other facilities don’t meet modern health and safety standards. The long jump pit is inside the track, which means those using it – including children – could be at risk of being hit by thrown javelins or hammers, and the stanchions for the pole vault and the high jump bed have been condemned. Because of the problems, the club may well have trouble getting certification to hold competitions in future, Mr Hunter said.

The new track proposed at Heslington East would be of county standard, with fantastic facilities and equipment.

“It is a no-brainer,” said Mr Hunter. “If it doesn’t happen, what we do is throw away millions of pounds of inward investment. It is about the vision for the city. Do we think we should have first class sporting facilities that will encourage people to be involved in all sorts of sports?”

• York City Knights RL Club has been more guarded until now. The club has made clear it wanted to support the new stadium – but before it could give its unqualified backing said it needed more information about precisely what facilities would be available to the Knights, and about how the stadium would be run and managed.

In a statement released yesterday, however, Knights chief executive John Guildford said the club was now prepared to support the scheme.

“I have always supported the principle of a community stadium, and now my basic questions and concerns have been addressed, the Knights obviously support the vision,” Mr Guildford said. “I am looking forward to the final business case being presented.”

What you had to say

• A selection of comments submitted to the council in response to its consultation:

In favour of the scheme

“This development is vital to support York’s professional and amateur sports clubs, providing a new, modern 6000-seat stadium and community facilities…”

“The new stadium MUST be built, not just because I am a City fan, but for the future of York.”

“The enabling retail element, including Marks&Spencer and John Lewis, is the best, most viable way of providing a new stadium for York and ensuring York continues to compete with other regional centres.”

Against the scheme

“York needs to be developing its city centre rather than continuing to expand out-of-town shopping.”

“It will be far better for John Lewis to move into a building in the city to enhance what is on offer there and thus pull more people into the city, rather than enticing them out of the city.”

“York city centre is special and every effort should be made to keep it that way.”

• You can still have your say: Write to: Readers’ Letters, The Press, 76-86 Walmgate, York YO1 9YN or email letters@thepress.co.uk

Comments(18)

The Great Buda says...
9:26am Fri 17 Feb 12

I'm glad JG has had the answer's he needed. That means all 3 Sports Clubs support the move.

Fat Harry says...
10:22am Fri 17 Feb 12

Good news that the outstanding issues have been addressed to Mr Guildford's satisfaction, and that he and the Knights are now fully engaged in the process.

Let's hope it helps speed up the process towards getting the stadium York needs and deserves.

kanchelskis says...
10:40am Fri 17 Feb 12

Fantastic news regarding the Knights concerns been addressed. Let's hope now that the Council will deliver what the clubs have agreed to.

Both clubs now need to get behind the scheme to ensure that it goes ahead to benefit both professional and Community sport in the City.

After all this time that wasn't so difficult to sort by the sounds of it!

The Great Buda says...
10:54am Fri 17 Feb 12

Correction kanchelskis; all THREE clubs need to get behind the scheme. One that in an Olympic year should fire the dreams of the young in this City to become the stars of tomorrow.

TerryYork says...
10:57am Fri 17 Feb 12

Good to see the pressure on the minority partner in this has gotten on board with the city's majority supported club.

kanchelskis says...
11:12am Fri 17 Feb 12

The Great Buda wrote:
Correction kanchelskis; all THREE clubs need to get behind the scheme. One that in an Olympic year should fire the dreams of the young in this City to become the stars of tomorrow.
Agreed.

Sarah York says...
11:52am Fri 17 Feb 12

That's good news regarding Guildford and should ease the worries of more people.

Can all Knights and City fans arrange to meet in town somewhere and have a group hug now? :)

Eric Bartholomew says...
12:06pm Fri 17 Feb 12

I see that one of the anti brigade has put on their twitter "Totally biased piece,shame on you"

Aww diddums...

As if the 'no' campaign hasn't had enough column inches already,recently trying to protect their profit margins and stifle a bit of competition.

Maybe some of the same traders shouldn't have campained against the original Coppergate development and they wouldn't be where they are now.

Times move on,they missed the boat back then and now some other developer has come up with another plan they don't like it.

'Tough on you' I'd say.

Mr Crabtree says...
1:25pm Fri 17 Feb 12

Well that's one big obstacle overcome, what about the other one - Bootham Crescent's black hole ?

Wasn't the Council's last valuation £3.7m (see Press article dated 17-Oct-08 entitled 'This Sporting Strife' - use the website search engine to pull up the piece).

What is it worth now ?

Here's a clue:-
In 2008 the Council''s affordable housing target was 50%, but it has come down to 25% now.

You would expect that this would increase BC's value, because less subsidised affordable housing is to be provided, meaning the land value should increase. Hope you follow this logic. If not ask a builder (like John Guildford) or a surveyor to explain.

Anyway, here's the show stopper.... it's value has bombed, big style.

Based on values used by Dr Richard Fordham in the Council's Affordable Housing Viability Study, and taking account of abnormals (demolition, site clearance, decontamination) it's value is between £250,000 - £500,000 ! That is not the pricve per acre, by the way, it's the whole 4.23 acre site.

Pick that one out of the back of the net Bill Woolley - he's the guy in charge. In charge of the community stadium for the Council, and in charge of the officers who wrote the affordable housing policy. Amazing, that this man hasn't got a clue how his own policies can kill projects. Well Billy boy, have a taste of your own medicine. You killed off housebuilding in York with the help of your officers and the complicit councillors, and you have now jeopardised this deal. How will you cook the books this time ?
Maybe it's time to resign, before you get your P45 ?”

Mr Crabtree says...
1:37pm Fri 17 Feb 12

No doubt the Oakgate celebration party will be an expensive affair - not just the cost of the crates of the best champagne...... the contents of all the brown envelopes will be mind blowing. The question is, who will be the recipients ?

nickeggleton says...
3:25pm Fri 17 Feb 12

Eric Bartholomew wrote:
I see that one of the anti brigade has put on their twitter "Totally biased piece,shame on you"

Aww diddums...

As if the 'no' campaign hasn't had enough column inches already,recently trying to protect their profit margins and stifle a bit of competition.

Maybe some of the same traders shouldn't have campained against the original Coppergate development and they wouldn't be where they are now.

Times move on,they missed the boat back then and now some other developer has come up with another plan they don't like it.

'Tough on you' I'd say.
It is biased. It's terrible journalism.

Lazy and trite.

I didn't campaign against the original Coppergate development (think that was in the 70s!), but I think you're referring to the Castle Piccadilly one.

I didn't campaign against that either.

ps Thanks for following me on twitter.

Eric Bartholomew says...
5:19pm Fri 17 Feb 12

nickeggleton wrote:
Eric Bartholomew wrote: I see that one of the anti brigade has put on their twitter "Totally biased piece,shame on you" Aww diddums... As if the 'no' campaign hasn't had enough column inches already,recently trying to protect their profit margins and stifle a bit of competition. Maybe some of the same traders shouldn't have campained against the original Coppergate development and they wouldn't be where they are now. Times move on,they missed the boat back then and now some other developer has come up with another plan they don't like it. 'Tough on you' I'd say.
It is biased. It's terrible journalism. Lazy and trite. I didn't campaign against the original Coppergate development (think that was in the 70s!), but I think you're referring to the Castle Piccadilly one. I didn't campaign against that either. ps Thanks for following me on twitter.
Castle Piccadilly is the one then.

Maybe you didn't object but some of your buddies from the C4Y did so the sentiments the same.

Oh and btw I don't have a Twitter account to 'follow' anyone :-)

speaks99 says...
8:14pm Fri 17 Feb 12

A fairly balance view in my opinion, though it may be through pro development eyes, I don't know!

They point out the basic issues regarding the shopping centre (about equal amounts of space taken for each) then goes on to talk about the stakeholders of the new stadium, there needs.

Dr Brian says...
9:23pm Sun 19 Feb 12

Anybody able to tell me how much extra I am going to have to pay in extra rates when the FC and RL clubs go bust as they are likely to do so again at some time in the future and are not contributing to the white elephant community stadium?

If a great club like Rangers can go into administration anybody who thinks York City and the Knights won't is a fool - after all the Chairman of both the Knights and the FC are on recent record saying how much money they are losing.

Currently Two stadiums provide some sort of investment to the clubs but obviously with a shared stadium that revenue would be halved. Although I accept there should be a reduction in upkeep with maintenance charges being met by the two sporting clubs.

Difficult times face our professional clubs and with local business alienated to the stadium there will be very little sponsorship and advertising monies forthcoming from those businesses who survive the slump this shopping development will bring to the York city centre

speaks99 says...
7:39am Mon 20 Feb 12

You can't judge all football clubs on Rangers - thats absurd. Rangers was being badly mismanaged by all accounts.

Septimius Severus says...
2:00pm Wed 22 Feb 12

If you want more information on the plans visit the campaign for york website (www.campaign4york.c
o.uk)

There's a simple form that links directly to the planning department at the council you can submit.

Septimius Severus says...
2:01pm Wed 22 Feb 12

If you want more information on the plans visit the campaign for york website (www.campaign4york.c
o.uk)

There's a simple form that links directly to the planning department at the council you can submit.

Eric Bartholomew says...
5:50pm Wed 22 Feb 12

If you want more information on the plans visit the stadium for York website (www.astadiumforyork .com).

There's a simple form that you can fill in to support the new Community Stadium Project.

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