Newts delay work on Monks Cross stores

A Great Crested Newt.

A Great Crested Newt.

First published in Business news York Press: Photograph of the Author by , Political Reporter

WORK on a £90 million shopping development on the edge of York has been delayed by months – because of newts.

The company behind the Monks Cross scheme, which will include John Lewis, Marks & Spencer and Next stores, says construction will now not start until the spring, after the number of great crested newts – a protected species – “rocketed”.

Oakgate (Monks Cross) Ltd hoped to start building towards the end of last year or early this year and the John Lewis store was earmarked to open by Christmas 2013. Its opening will now be delayed until Easter 2014, at the same time as M&S and Next.

The developers and City of York Council said the discovery that the local newt population had risen from five to more than 300 in one season would not delay the 6,000-seater community stadium for York City FC and York City Knights, nor the community facilities. The shopping scheme will unlock funding for the stadium, work on which is due to start in summer 2014 and last a year.

The council approved the new superstores last May and the Government subsequently decided not to call the development in for a public inquiry, despite opponents claiming they would damage city-centre businesses. Oakgate has said the scheme will create 1,000 new jobs and boost York’s economy by millions of pounds a year.

The newts have to be individually caught and rehomed at a £300,000 wetland beside the Monks Cross Park&Ride. Oakgate director Richard France said: “Naturally, I’m disappointed work cannot start as early as we would have liked it to. However, we take our responsibility to the environment seriously and are making sure all the newts are appropriately rehomed, in line with our legal requirements.”

He said if all now went to plan, the shops would all open in spring 2014 and the stadium would be unaffected.

Mr France said talks with potential operators to run restaurants and kiosks on the complex were “progressing well”.

Principal ecologist Dr Mark Hampton said the wet 2012 summer meant the newts had “an exceptionally successful breeding season” and were now hibernating, meaning their capture and rehoming would have to wait until the weather improved.

“They usually start emerging again when temperatures are consistently above 5C so, at the moment, it’s just a rather frustrating waiting game,” he said.

Len Cruddas, chief executive of Leeds, York and North Yorkshire Chamber of Commerce, said: “Despite this delay, the Monks Cross development will be a huge economic boost for York.

“It is disappointing and frustrating that, once again, a major development project in York is being held up for this reason, but we just have to accept that due process will take place.”

Great crested newts – the facts

• Great crested newts, pictured, are the UK’s largest newt species.

• They are black or dark brown, with adults being as long as 15cm nose to tail.

• Under rules laid down by Natural England – the authority which enforces newts’ protected status – developers have to lay humane traps to catch them and check them every day during the capture period. All newts which are caught must then be transferred to a designated habitat, and rehoming can only be considered complete when no newts have been caught on five consecutive days.

• They are found throughout the country but there is no pattern to their population and they have disappeared from many areas.

• They have full protection under UK law, making it an offence to kill, injure, capture, disturb or sell them, or to destroy or damage their habitats.

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12:22pm Fri 4 Jan 13

TerryYork says...

Probably that Leeds-supporting Barnitts guy taking late night trips with bags of baby newts, donated by Tory council members, taking a break from saying there's no need for food banks.
Probably that Leeds-supporting Barnitts guy taking late night trips with bags of baby newts, donated by Tory council members, taking a break from saying there's no need for food banks. TerryYork
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12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13

PhilipInYork says...

Ironic how the horses on Monks Cross are treated like crap, yet as soon as a few slimey newts turn up, it's like animal rescue with Rolf Harris. This country's gone mad.

Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.

Simples.
Ironic how the horses on Monks Cross are treated like crap, yet as soon as a few slimey newts turn up, it's like animal rescue with Rolf Harris. This country's gone mad. Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of. Simples. PhilipInYork
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12:26pm Fri 4 Jan 13

livewithit says...

**** - I had put my money on Bats !
**** - I had put my money on Bats ! livewithit
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12:27pm Fri 4 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

Another non-story.
Another non-story. The Great Buda
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12:28pm Fri 4 Jan 13

bolero says...

It's obviously easier to round up and rehouse newts than it is to deal with stray untethered horses.
It's obviously easier to round up and rehouse newts than it is to deal with stray untethered horses. bolero
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12:35pm Fri 4 Jan 13

TerryYork says...

PhilipInYork wrote:
Ironic how the horses on Monks Cross are treated like crap, yet as soon as a few slimey newts turn up, it's like animal rescue with Rolf Harris. This country's gone mad.

Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.

Simples.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]PhilipInYork[/bold] wrote: Ironic how the horses on Monks Cross are treated like crap, yet as soon as a few slimey newts turn up, it's like animal rescue with Rolf Harris. This country's gone mad. Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of. Simples.[/p][/quote]Well said. TerryYork
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12:35pm Fri 4 Jan 13

dodgydavereturns says...

Send round cllr Steward he'll move them on, there's no need for them! I bet newt pie tastes good!
Send round cllr Steward he'll move them on, there's no need for them! I bet newt pie tastes good! dodgydavereturns
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1:10pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Daley Mayall says...

No newts is good news; which is why this is bad news.
No newts is good news; which is why this is bad news. Daley Mayall
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1:20pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Another non-story.
Three month delay to a major development a non-story ?

The exaggerated, out of context remarks by Coun Chris Steward on twitter making front page news has to be the biggest non-story ever. A complete stitch up. Chris is a mild mannered, polite and likeable bloke, and has been demonised by a vicious pack of left wing nut jobs looking for stories to deflect attention from their parties failures.

What is really disgusting is the amount of tweets that Councillors Alexander, Crisp and Simpson;Laing have made in the last 24 hours against Coun Steward. The whipping up of ill-feeling towards Coun Steward is sickening, by these three political bullies. Their time would be better spent doing something constructive, rather than petty point-scoring. Shame on all three of them.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Another non-story.[/p][/quote]Three month delay to a major development a non-story ? The exaggerated, out of context remarks by Coun Chris Steward on twitter making front page news has to be the biggest non-story ever. A complete stitch up. Chris is a mild mannered, polite and likeable bloke, and has been demonised by a vicious pack of left wing nut jobs looking for stories to deflect attention from their parties failures. What is really disgusting is the amount of tweets that Councillors Alexander, Crisp and Simpson;Laing have made in the last 24 hours against Coun Steward. The whipping up of ill-feeling towards Coun Steward is sickening, by these three political bullies. Their time would be better spent doing something constructive, rather than petty point-scoring. Shame on all three of them. Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:23pm Fri 4 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

Oh goody, your making this story party-political.
Oh goody, your making this story party-political. The Great Buda
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1:34pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Oh goody, your making this story party-political.
Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Oh goody, your making this story party-political.[/p][/quote]Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. . Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:38pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Kevin Turvey says...

‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13
This country's gone mad.’


This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981.

So it’s not exactly new legislation!

Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit.

Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport.




‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’

I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so!
Is it full of two legged rats?



‘Simples.’

Yes, you most certainly are!
‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13 This country's gone mad.’ This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981. So it’s not exactly new legislation! Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit. Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport. ‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’ I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so! Is it full of two legged rats? ‘Simples.’ Yes, you most certainly are! Kevin Turvey
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1:47pm Fri 4 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Oh goody, your making this story party-political.
Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .
"bully boy mates"? Good grief, your'e deranged.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Oh goody, your making this story party-political.[/p][/quote]Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .[/p][/quote]"bully boy mates"? Good grief, your'e deranged. The Great Buda
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1:51pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The Great Buda wrote: Oh goody, your making this story party-political.
Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .
"bully boy mates"? Good grief, your'e deranged.
Really ?

Read the tweets of your bullying mates, Councillors Alexander, Crisp and Simpson-Laing attacking Chris Steward to improve your understanding of the meaning of deranged !
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Oh goody, your making this story party-political.[/p][/quote]Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .[/p][/quote]"bully boy mates"? Good grief, your'e deranged.[/p][/quote]Really ? Read the tweets of your bullying mates, Councillors Alexander, Crisp and Simpson-Laing attacking Chris Steward to improve your understanding of the meaning of deranged ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:51pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Jam tomorrow says...

I am almost as surprised as last week when I passed the site and saw that the pond area with bulrushes and water weeds and a wealth of wildlife has been bulldozed to form a sort of mud bank. It's all gone already and a drainage beck all round the site has been created. It looks to me like some one knew about the show-stopping Greater Crested Newts and seem to have got their retaliation in first?
I am almost as surprised as last week when I passed the site and saw that the pond area with bulrushes and water weeds and a wealth of wildlife has been bulldozed to form a sort of mud bank. It's all gone already and a drainage beck all round the site has been created. It looks to me like some one knew about the show-stopping Greater Crested Newts and seem to have got their retaliation in first? Jam tomorrow
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1:56pm Fri 4 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The Great Buda wrote: Oh goody, your making this story party-political.
Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .
"bully boy mates"? Good grief, your'e deranged.
Really ?

Read the tweets of your bullying mates, Councillors Alexander, Crisp and Simpson-Laing attacking Chris Steward to improve your understanding of the meaning of deranged !
If you have nothing to bring to this topic, I suggest you leave it.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Oh goody, your making this story party-political.[/p][/quote]Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .[/p][/quote]"bully boy mates"? Good grief, your'e deranged.[/p][/quote]Really ? Read the tweets of your bullying mates, Councillors Alexander, Crisp and Simpson-Laing attacking Chris Steward to improve your understanding of the meaning of deranged ![/p][/quote]If you have nothing to bring to this topic, I suggest you leave it. The Great Buda
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2:05pm Fri 4 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The Great Buda wrote: Oh goody, your making this story party-political.
Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .
"bully boy mates"? Good grief, your'e deranged.
Really ?

Read the tweets of your bullying mates, Councillors Alexander, Crisp and Simpson-Laing attacking Chris Steward to improve your understanding of the meaning of deranged !
Read them he wrote them!

The question is Calamity James can you be 100% certain a three month delay to the project will have no delay to the stadium component? Don't the football club have to be in by a certain date?
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Oh goody, your making this story party-political.[/p][/quote]Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .[/p][/quote]"bully boy mates"? Good grief, your'e deranged.[/p][/quote]Really ? Read the tweets of your bullying mates, Councillors Alexander, Crisp and Simpson-Laing attacking Chris Steward to improve your understanding of the meaning of deranged ![/p][/quote]Read them he wrote them! The question is Calamity James can you be 100% certain a three month delay to the project will have no delay to the stadium component? Don't the football club have to be in by a certain date? atorycouncil2014
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2:11pm Fri 4 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

Oh dear, well I see the conspiracy theory nuts have settled infor the duration now...


Hopefully the press will see sense and delete their ramblings.
Oh dear, well I see the conspiracy theory nuts have settled infor the duration now... Hopefully the press will see sense and delete their ramblings. The Great Buda
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2:12pm Fri 4 Jan 13

TerryYork says...

Coun Steward will be sacked for his horrendous comments, I'm sure of it.

I see the Tory Boy with 15 accounts on here is at it again. Sad.
Coun Steward will be sacked for his horrendous comments, I'm sure of it. I see the Tory Boy with 15 accounts on here is at it again. Sad. TerryYork
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2:13pm Fri 4 Jan 13

meme says...

Newts are not a joke and can cost millions in time and delays.
There is no shortage of newts in the UK but there is in Europe that's why they are protected
look around and you will see miles of black plastic newt fencing to protect sites!
Its an offence to handle one in genral. its an offence to move one. there has to be survey after survey to sort moving them . They can only be surveyed and moved at certain times of year by jobsworths who charge a fortune and have no idea of economics
Frankly I am all for protecting things but we have gone too far here and jobs are more important than a few newts in the UK
Newts are not a joke and can cost millions in time and delays. There is no shortage of newts in the UK but there is in Europe that's why they are protected look around and you will see miles of black plastic newt fencing to protect sites! Its an offence to handle one in genral. its an offence to move one. there has to be survey after survey to sort moving them . They can only be surveyed and moved at certain times of year by jobsworths who charge a fortune and have no idea of economics Frankly I am all for protecting things but we have gone too far here and jobs are more important than a few newts in the UK meme
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2:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Boadicea says...

TerryYork wrote:
PhilipInYork wrote:
Ironic how the horses on Monks Cross are treated like crap, yet as soon as a few slimey newts turn up, it's like animal rescue with Rolf Harris. This country's gone mad.

Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.

Simples.
Well said.
Rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]TerryYork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PhilipInYork[/bold] wrote: Ironic how the horses on Monks Cross are treated like crap, yet as soon as a few slimey newts turn up, it's like animal rescue with Rolf Harris. This country's gone mad. Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of. Simples.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Boadicea
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2:30pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Jam tomorrow says...

There isn't an insurmountable problem Meme. The Stadium can probably go ahead, it's not actually in the Newt area; the shops though may have to be re-planned half a mile to the north east.
There isn't an insurmountable problem Meme. The Stadium can probably go ahead, it's not actually in the Newt area; the shops though may have to be re-planned half a mile to the north east. Jam tomorrow
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2:31pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Kevin Turvey says...

And another thing !

‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’


The story says:
’Oakgate said the number of newts - which have to be individually caught and rehomed at a £300,000 wetland habitat next to the Monks Cross Park&Ride site - has risen from just five to more than 300 in a single season.’

The maximum fine on the standard scale is £5000 per animal so £5000 x 300 animals equals a potential fine of £1.5 million.

It rather makes the new wetland that has had to be created as mitigation for the project at £300k seem reasonably cheap.

So ‘PhilipInYork’ you have shown that your publically given wisdom knows no bounds!

Any more gems of wisdom that you may want to share with us all?
And another thing ! ‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13 Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’ The story says: ’Oakgate said the number of newts - which have to be individually caught and rehomed at a £300,000 wetland habitat next to the Monks Cross Park&Ride site - has risen from just five to more than 300 in a single season.’ The maximum fine on the standard scale is £5000 per animal so £5000 x 300 animals equals a potential fine of £1.5 million. It rather makes the new wetland that has had to be created as mitigation for the project at £300k seem reasonably cheap. So ‘PhilipInYork’ you have shown that your publically given wisdom knows no bounds! Any more gems of wisdom that you may want to share with us all? Kevin Turvey
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2:35pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The Great Buda wrote: Oh goody, your making this story party-political.
Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .
"bully boy mates"? Good grief, your'e deranged.
Really ? Read the tweets of your bullying mates, Councillors Alexander, Crisp and Simpson-Laing attacking Chris Steward to improve your understanding of the meaning of deranged !
If you have nothing to bring to this topic, I suggest you leave it.
Says you, who called it a 'non-story'.

If anyone should leave it, it's you.

Get back to tweeting with your lefty wing bully-boy mates !

I'm happy making contributions in my own way, thank you very much.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Oh goody, your making this story party-political.[/p][/quote]Glad I'm helping. You complained that it was a non-story, and as you were keen to join the lynch-mob by commenting against Coun Steward yesterday, I thought I would make things interesting for you and your bully-boy mates. .[/p][/quote]"bully boy mates"? Good grief, your'e deranged.[/p][/quote]Really ? Read the tweets of your bullying mates, Councillors Alexander, Crisp and Simpson-Laing attacking Chris Steward to improve your understanding of the meaning of deranged ![/p][/quote]If you have nothing to bring to this topic, I suggest you leave it.[/p][/quote]Says you, who called it a 'non-story'. If anyone should leave it, it's you. Get back to tweeting with your lefty wing bully-boy mates ! I'm happy making contributions in my own way, thank you very much. Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:38pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

TerryYork wrote:
Coun Steward will be sacked for his horrendous comments, I'm sure of it. I see the Tory Boy with 15 accounts on here is at it again. Sad.
Wrong, on both counts !!

Stick with football....... at Bootham Crescent for the forseeable future - newts permitting ! LOL
[quote][p][bold]TerryYork[/bold] wrote: Coun Steward will be sacked for his horrendous comments, I'm sure of it. I see the Tory Boy with 15 accounts on here is at it again. Sad.[/p][/quote]Wrong, on both counts !! Stick with football....... at Bootham Crescent for the forseeable future - newts permitting ! LOL Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:39pm Fri 4 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

TerryYork wrote:
Coun Steward will be sacked for his horrendous comments, I'm sure of it.

I see the Tory Boy with 15 accounts on here is at it again. Sad.
Shouldnt that be 2014 accounts for your argument to stack up ?!?!?

Dear dear perhaps go for a lay down
[quote][p][bold]TerryYork[/bold] wrote: Coun Steward will be sacked for his horrendous comments, I'm sure of it. I see the Tory Boy with 15 accounts on here is at it again. Sad.[/p][/quote]Shouldnt that be 2014 accounts for your argument to stack up ?!?!? Dear dear perhaps go for a lay down atorycouncil2014
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2:41pm Fri 4 Jan 13

MarkyMarkMark says...

So they're planning to build on a marsh, then? I hadn't realised that.

I wonder if John Lewis will change their slogan - "Never knowingly underpinned".
So they're planning to build on a marsh, then? I hadn't realised that. I wonder if John Lewis will change their slogan - "Never knowingly underpinned". MarkyMarkMark
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2:45pm Fri 4 Jan 13

helzwash says...

At the risk of being shot down...

Great Crested Newts are far more important than (in my opinion) a poxy stadium.

They're a protected species so I do hope they take this 'capturing and rehoming' seriously. Okay so they're only 'little lives' compared to said horses but they're still important. And in no way am I excusing the disgraceful care of those horses, those beautiful beasts deserve better however a 'protected' species is treated with up most important.
At the risk of being shot down... Great Crested Newts are far more important than (in my opinion) a poxy stadium. They're a protected species so I do hope they take this 'capturing and rehoming' seriously. Okay so they're only 'little lives' compared to said horses but they're still important. And in no way am I excusing the disgraceful care of those horses, those beautiful beasts deserve better however a 'protected' species is treated with up most important. helzwash
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2:48pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Jam tomorrow wrote:
There isn't an insurmountable problem Meme. The Stadium can probably go ahead, it's not actually in the Newt area; the shops though may have to be re-planned half a mile to the north east.
So, the newt population increased from 5 to 300 - how ?

Was it,

A. Because they had a good breeding season ?

B. Because of immigration - eg. they were put there by stadium objectors ?

C. Because of the Council's housing policy ?

Here's a clue: one of the above is a red herring!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jam tomorrow[/bold] wrote: There isn't an insurmountable problem Meme. The Stadium can probably go ahead, it's not actually in the Newt area; the shops though may have to be re-planned half a mile to the north east.[/p][/quote]So, the newt population increased from 5 to 300 - how ? Was it, A. Because they had a good breeding season ? B. Because of immigration - eg. they were put there by stadium objectors ? C. Because of the Council's housing policy ? Here's a clue: one of the above is a red herring!!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:51pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

atorycouncil2014 wrote:
TerryYork wrote: Coun Steward will be sacked for his horrendous comments, I'm sure of it. I see the Tory Boy with 15 accounts on here is at it again. Sad.
Shouldnt that be 2014 accounts for your argument to stack up ?!?!? Dear dear perhaps go for a lay down
Look I/we posted two comments simultaneously - clever trick for me/you/us being allegedly one person and all that !
[quote][p][bold]atorycouncil2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerryYork[/bold] wrote: Coun Steward will be sacked for his horrendous comments, I'm sure of it. I see the Tory Boy with 15 accounts on here is at it again. Sad.[/p][/quote]Shouldnt that be 2014 accounts for your argument to stack up ?!?!? Dear dear perhaps go for a lay down[/p][/quote]Look I/we posted two comments simultaneously - clever trick for me/you/us being allegedly one person and all that ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:56pm Fri 4 Jan 13

cityforthepremier says...

Bore off Laverack.
Bore off Laverack. cityforthepremier
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3:00pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

cityforthepremier wrote:
Bore off Laverack.
I'm not Matthew Laverack.

Wrong again, deluded footy fan.... premiership ? in your dreams !
[quote][p][bold]cityforthepremier[/bold] wrote: Bore off Laverack.[/p][/quote]I'm not Matthew Laverack. Wrong again, deluded footy fan.... premiership ? in your dreams ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:06pm Fri 4 Jan 13

roskoboskovic says...

sometimes words just fail me.a multi million pound development,hundreds of jobs plus the overall benefits to be gained from a new shopping centre and we are at the mercy of environmental nutcases who have somehow been given this ridiculous power.give them a week to round up the worthless little buggers and get started with the job.
sometimes words just fail me.a multi million pound development,hundreds of jobs plus the overall benefits to be gained from a new shopping centre and we are at the mercy of environmental nutcases who have somehow been given this ridiculous power.give them a week to round up the worthless little buggers and get started with the job. roskoboskovic
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3:17pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
sometimes words just fail me.a multi million pound development,hundreds of jobs plus the overall benefits to be gained from a new shopping centre and we are at the mercy of environmental nutcases who have somehow been given this ridiculous power.give them a week to round up the worthless little buggers and get started with the job.
Welcome to the world that developers have to put up with.

No wonder we have a housing crisis - for humans, but not for newts !

Thanks to planning laws and council policies, they are now faced with extinction - the lesser spotted housebuilder ! You have more chance of spotting a newt than one of these - particularly in York it seems !
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: sometimes words just fail me.a multi million pound development,hundreds of jobs plus the overall benefits to be gained from a new shopping centre and we are at the mercy of environmental nutcases who have somehow been given this ridiculous power.give them a week to round up the worthless little buggers and get started with the job.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the world that developers have to put up with. No wonder we have a housing crisis - for humans, but not for newts ! Thanks to planning laws and council policies, they are now faced with extinction - the lesser spotted housebuilder ! You have more chance of spotting a newt than one of these - particularly in York it seems ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:26pm Fri 4 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

So now you've turned it into a housing development thread....

You're easily the most boring poster on this site.
So now you've turned it into a housing development thread.... You're easily the most boring poster on this site. The Great Buda
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3:30pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Podlet says...

To mis-quote Terry Pratchett, "Tax the newt farms."
To mis-quote Terry Pratchett, "Tax the newt farms." Podlet
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3:30pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The Great Buda wrote:
So now you've turned it into a housing development thread.... You're easily the most boring poster on this site.
.......or, the most creative ?

For my next trick, I will turn a large rotund religious idol into a newt !!!

He can the join his mates at the Monks Cross swamp, and cause further delays to the stadium ?
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: So now you've turned it into a housing development thread.... You're easily the most boring poster on this site.[/p][/quote].......or, the most creative ? For my next trick, I will turn a large rotund religious idol into a newt !!! He can the join his mates at the Monks Cross swamp, and cause further delays to the stadium ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:33pm Fri 4 Jan 13

cityforthepremier says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
cityforthepremier wrote:
Bore off Laverack.
I'm not Matthew Laverack.

Wrong again, deluded footy fan.... premiership ? in your dreams !
Whatever you say Matthew. Don't you get tired of yourself?
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityforthepremier[/bold] wrote: Bore off Laverack.[/p][/quote]I'm not Matthew Laverack. Wrong again, deluded footy fan.... premiership ? in your dreams ![/p][/quote]Whatever you say Matthew. Don't you get tired of yourself? cityforthepremier
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3:36pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The Great Buda wrote:
So now you've turned it into a housing development thread.... You're easily the most boring poster on this site.
....and it seems, the most entertaining....

You and the footy lobby just can't stay away, and keep coming back for more !

*Let me entertain you*

Take that blobby !
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: So now you've turned it into a housing development thread.... You're easily the most boring poster on this site.[/p][/quote]....and it seems, the most entertaining.... You and the footy lobby just can't stay away, and keep coming back for more ! *Let me entertain you* Take that blobby ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:37pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

cityforthepremier wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
cityforthepremier wrote: Bore off Laverack.
I'm not Matthew Laverack. Wrong again, deluded footy fan.... premiership ? in your dreams !
Whatever you say Matthew. Don't you get tired of yourself?
You certainly don't.
[quote][p][bold]cityforthepremier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityforthepremier[/bold] wrote: Bore off Laverack.[/p][/quote]I'm not Matthew Laverack. Wrong again, deluded footy fan.... premiership ? in your dreams ![/p][/quote]Whatever you say Matthew. Don't you get tired of yourself?[/p][/quote]You certainly don't. Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:38pm Fri 4 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

Two replies to the same post?

So who are you sharing the login details with?
Two replies to the same post? So who are you sharing the login details with? The Great Buda
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3:44pm Fri 4 Jan 13

bill bailey says...

Send round the councilor to do the same as he did at Wembley ,he could poison the lot save a lot of money time and his party.
Send round the councilor to do the same as he did at Wembley ,he could poison the lot save a lot of money time and his party. bill bailey
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3:49pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Two replies to the same post? So who are you sharing the login details with?
You'll like this, not a lot, but, you'll like it......

I'm a magician, and can be many people all at once.

According to YCFC fans I'm Matthew Laverack, but, in reality I'm just little old Sir Percy Blakeney.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Two replies to the same post? So who are you sharing the login details with?[/p][/quote]You'll like this, not a lot, but, you'll like it...... I'm a magician, and can be many people all at once. According to YCFC fans I'm Matthew Laverack, but, in reality I'm just little old Sir Percy Blakeney. Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:53pm Fri 4 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

You're certainly tragic.
You're certainly tragic. The Great Buda
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3:54pm Fri 4 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

That should of course read: "You're both certainly tragic".

My apologies to the pair of you.
That should of course read: "You're both certainly tragic". My apologies to the pair of you. The Great Buda
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3:56pm Fri 4 Jan 13

bolero says...

For goonness sake Scarlet Pimpernel go and join the crested newts along with your other red herrings called Tories. Come the next election I shall be voting `Newts`
Incidentally I just passed your house and I could swear there was a newt sitting on the doorstep or was it a great twisted tory?
For goonness sake Scarlet Pimpernel go and join the crested newts along with your other red herrings called Tories. Come the next election I shall be voting `Newts` Incidentally I just passed your house and I could swear there was a newt sitting on the doorstep or was it a great twisted tory? bolero
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3:59pm Fri 4 Jan 13

baldiebiker says...

I'm off to the pub so I may be
"AS A NEWT" later.
I'm off to the pub so I may be "AS A NEWT" later. baldiebiker
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3:59pm Fri 4 Jan 13

meme says...

The stadium will NOT be built unless there is certainty to the retail which funds it. IF the retail has to be moved its back to planning again and the vicious planning circle starts again..Welcome to the world of development, politics economics and conservation......It
s a miracle anything happens at all... especially in York...
I would not bet on this taking place anytime in the near future but I hope I am proved wrong
The stadium will NOT be built unless there is certainty to the retail which funds it. IF the retail has to be moved its back to planning again and the vicious planning circle starts again..Welcome to the world of development, politics economics and conservation......It s a miracle anything happens at all... especially in York... I would not bet on this taking place anytime in the near future but I hope I am proved wrong meme
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4:04pm Fri 4 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

Sounds as though the planet's animal life is starting to fight back. Bats...newts....& did the pheasant population engineer that bridge collapse...? Are we in line for a catalogue of biblical curses.....?
Sounds as though the planet's animal life is starting to fight back. Bats...newts....& did the pheasant population engineer that bridge collapse...? Are we in line for a catalogue of biblical curses.....? pedalling paul
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4:05pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

bolero wrote:
For goonness sake Scarlet Pimpernel go and join the crested newts along with your other red herrings called Tories. Come the next election I shall be voting `Newts` Incidentally I just passed your house and I could swear there was a newt sitting on the doorstep or was it a great twisted tory?
Sorry, not my house. I live in a mansion, on a country estate, with security gates..... to keep out the newts !

Regards
Sir Percy
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: For goonness sake Scarlet Pimpernel go and join the crested newts along with your other red herrings called Tories. Come the next election I shall be voting `Newts` Incidentally I just passed your house and I could swear there was a newt sitting on the doorstep or was it a great twisted tory?[/p][/quote]Sorry, not my house. I live in a mansion, on a country estate, with security gates..... to keep out the newts ! Regards Sir Percy Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:11pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Why was the 'Friar Tuck' lookalike angry ?

Because, newts make monks cross !!!

LOL
Why was the 'Friar Tuck' lookalike angry ? Because, newts make monks cross !!! LOL Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:13pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Sorry, I won't make a 'habit' of this ;-)
Sorry, I won't make a 'habit' of this ;-) Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:18pm Fri 4 Jan 13

AngryandFrustrated says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13 This country's gone mad.’ This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981. So it’s not exactly new legislation! Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit. Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport. ‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’ I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so! Is it full of two legged rats? ‘Simples.’ Yes, you most certainly are!
Excellent post as is your later one!

As for Scarlet Pimpernel - he has all the hallmarks of Mr Crabtree - a zealot when it comes to stories that can be twisted into a housing story. Down with anything that improves our environment and up with clearing the landscape and building houses and buildings. All that's missing is a bleat about how poorly builders are doing at the moment and he will be a clone of Crabtree!!

In the meantime, back to the story. I have zippo sympathy for CofYC and Oakgate - both were well aware of the newts on the site FROM DAY ONE!! G.C Newts are an European Protected Species and contrary to Memes previous comments are still extremely rare because their breeding ponds and habitats have been destroyed, and this case is no different. Yes England has one of the largest populations in Europe but this is relative - in some parts of Europe they are almost extinct. They are still surviving in this country BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATION, not despite it.

During the planning process, many posters on this site pointed out the fact that there were newts - Oakgate clearly ignored all that and in true arrogant, corporate style gave lofty predictions about when the units would be finished etc, clearly either believing that the newts would be rounded up quickly, or not caring whether they were rounded up at all. That's what you call a corporate ****-up as far as timings are concerned.

As for the delays being caused by the numbers of newts "rocketing" and causing the delays - that's corporate spin.; It doesn't take a professor of natural science to predict, following the wet summer we had, that the numbers of these types of reptiles would increase.

Put simply, Oakgate did not fulfill their statutory obligations before the newts went into hibernation, and now they are paying the price. If I'd made such a mistake, I wouldn't go bleating to the Press about it..................
..........!!
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: ‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13 This country's gone mad.’ This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981. So it’s not exactly new legislation! Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit. Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport. ‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’ I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so! Is it full of two legged rats? ‘Simples.’ Yes, you most certainly are![/p][/quote]Excellent post as is your later one! As for Scarlet Pimpernel - he has all the hallmarks of Mr Crabtree - a zealot when it comes to stories that can be twisted into a housing story. Down with anything that improves our environment and up with clearing the landscape and building houses and buildings. All that's missing is a bleat about how poorly builders are doing at the moment and he will be a clone of Crabtree!! In the meantime, back to the story. I have zippo sympathy for CofYC and Oakgate - both were well aware of the newts on the site FROM DAY ONE!! G.C Newts are an European Protected Species and contrary to Memes previous comments are still extremely rare because their breeding ponds and habitats have been destroyed, and this case is no different. Yes England has one of the largest populations in Europe but this is relative - in some parts of Europe they are almost extinct. They are still surviving in this country BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATION, not despite it. During the planning process, many posters on this site pointed out the fact that there were newts - Oakgate clearly ignored all that and in true arrogant, corporate style gave lofty predictions about when the units would be finished etc, clearly either believing that the newts would be rounded up quickly, or not caring whether they were rounded up at all. That's what you call a corporate ****-up as far as timings are concerned. As for the delays being caused by the numbers of newts "rocketing" and causing the delays - that's corporate spin.; It doesn't take a professor of natural science to predict, following the wet summer we had, that the numbers of these types of reptiles would increase. Put simply, Oakgate did not fulfill their statutory obligations before the newts went into hibernation, and now they are paying the price. If I'd made such a mistake, I wouldn't go bleating to the Press about it.................. ..........!! AngryandFrustrated
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4:38pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

AngryandFrustrated

You misunderstand me and Mr Crabtree. We are not in favour of an all out desecration of our landscape or wildlife habitat, far from it. Neither are we in favour of building poor quality, mass-produced, souless housing. Our gripe is the discriminatory and punitive planning regime that is manipulated by York Council for it's political ends. We want politicians to get off our backs, and leave us to build houses without having to act as part charity or part nationalised in being forced to build social housing for nowt (no profit) and actually subsidise it. We are happy to observe the rules in protecting wildlife etc, but, the p*ss-taking use of S106 has to stop. Allow the quality-conscious housebuilders of well-designed housing to survive, otherwise only the large, corporate, sausage-factory mentality nationals will be left, creating urban sprawl. Politicians have killed off the equivalent of the great crested newts in the development world - the small quality builders are almost extinct thanks to stupid greedy politicians like Coun Simpson;Laing and Coun Merrett.
AngryandFrustrated You misunderstand me and Mr Crabtree. We are not in favour of an all out desecration of our landscape or wildlife habitat, far from it. Neither are we in favour of building poor quality, mass-produced, souless housing. Our gripe is the discriminatory and punitive planning regime that is manipulated by York Council for it's political ends. We want politicians to get off our backs, and leave us to build houses without having to act as part charity or part nationalised in being forced to build social housing for nowt (no profit) and actually subsidise it. We are happy to observe the rules in protecting wildlife etc, but, the p*ss-taking use of S106 has to stop. Allow the quality-conscious housebuilders of well-designed housing to survive, otherwise only the large, corporate, sausage-factory mentality nationals will be left, creating urban sprawl. Politicians have killed off the equivalent of the great crested newts in the development world - the small quality builders are almost extinct thanks to stupid greedy politicians like Coun Simpson;Laing and Coun Merrett. Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:44pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Digeorge says...

Scarlet Pimpernel says...
2:48pm Fri 4 Jan 13

So, the newt population increased from 5 to 300 - how ?

Was it,

A. Because they had a good breeding season ?

They clearly have a very good sex life to increase their population, maybe it is the quality horse poo (travellers horses) that they feed off! They, of course, have to be protected in line with legislation. Surely though they were there prior to any building had taken place. Therefore, lack of an environment survey had taken place prior to the purchase of the land!
Scarlet Pimpernel says... 2:48pm Fri 4 Jan 13 So, the newt population increased from 5 to 300 - how ? Was it, A. Because they had a good breeding season ? They clearly have a very good sex life to increase their population, maybe it is the quality horse poo (travellers horses) that they feed off! They, of course, have to be protected in line with legislation. Surely though they were there prior to any building had taken place. Therefore, lack of an environment survey had taken place prior to the purchase of the land! Digeorge
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4:50pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Jam tomorrow says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
Kevin Turvey wrote:
‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13 This country's gone mad.’ This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981. So it’s not exactly new legislation! Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit. Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport. ‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’ I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so! Is it full of two legged rats? ‘Simples.’ Yes, you most certainly are!
Excellent post as is your later one!

As for Scarlet Pimpernel - he has all the hallmarks of Mr Crabtree - a zealot when it comes to stories that can be twisted into a housing story. Down with anything that improves our environment and up with clearing the landscape and building houses and buildings. All that's missing is a bleat about how poorly builders are doing at the moment and he will be a clone of Crabtree!!

In the meantime, back to the story. I have zippo sympathy for CofYC and Oakgate - both were well aware of the newts on the site FROM DAY ONE!! G.C Newts are an European Protected Species and contrary to Memes previous comments are still extremely rare because their breeding ponds and habitats have been destroyed, and this case is no different. Yes England has one of the largest populations in Europe but this is relative - in some parts of Europe they are almost extinct. They are still surviving in this country BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATION, not despite it.

During the planning process, many posters on this site pointed out the fact that there were newts - Oakgate clearly ignored all that and in true arrogant, corporate style gave lofty predictions about when the units would be finished etc, clearly either believing that the newts would be rounded up quickly, or not caring whether they were rounded up at all. That's what you call a corporate ****-up as far as timings are concerned.

As for the delays being caused by the numbers of newts "rocketing" and causing the delays - that's corporate spin.; It doesn't take a professor of natural science to predict, following the wet summer we had, that the numbers of these types of reptiles would increase.

Put simply, Oakgate did not fulfill their statutory obligations before the newts went into hibernation, and now they are paying the price. If I'd made such a mistake, I wouldn't go bleating to the Press about it..................

..........!!
This seems to becoming an environmental crime scene. If the newts were known about beforehand and are now hibernating, how many were in the banks of the 100mtr x 10mtr pond that has very recently been bulldozed?
I would hazard a 'Meme' guess at £1.5 million worth. Or jail and an unlimited fine. Where is the Environmental Agency and RSPCA?
[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: ‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13 This country's gone mad.’ This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981. So it’s not exactly new legislation! Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit. Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport. ‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’ I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so! Is it full of two legged rats? ‘Simples.’ Yes, you most certainly are![/p][/quote]Excellent post as is your later one! As for Scarlet Pimpernel - he has all the hallmarks of Mr Crabtree - a zealot when it comes to stories that can be twisted into a housing story. Down with anything that improves our environment and up with clearing the landscape and building houses and buildings. All that's missing is a bleat about how poorly builders are doing at the moment and he will be a clone of Crabtree!! In the meantime, back to the story. I have zippo sympathy for CofYC and Oakgate - both were well aware of the newts on the site FROM DAY ONE!! G.C Newts are an European Protected Species and contrary to Memes previous comments are still extremely rare because their breeding ponds and habitats have been destroyed, and this case is no different. Yes England has one of the largest populations in Europe but this is relative - in some parts of Europe they are almost extinct. They are still surviving in this country BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATION, not despite it. During the planning process, many posters on this site pointed out the fact that there were newts - Oakgate clearly ignored all that and in true arrogant, corporate style gave lofty predictions about when the units would be finished etc, clearly either believing that the newts would be rounded up quickly, or not caring whether they were rounded up at all. That's what you call a corporate ****-up as far as timings are concerned. As for the delays being caused by the numbers of newts "rocketing" and causing the delays - that's corporate spin.; It doesn't take a professor of natural science to predict, following the wet summer we had, that the numbers of these types of reptiles would increase. Put simply, Oakgate did not fulfill their statutory obligations before the newts went into hibernation, and now they are paying the price. If I'd made such a mistake, I wouldn't go bleating to the Press about it.................. ..........!![/p][/quote]This seems to becoming an environmental crime scene. If the newts were known about beforehand and are now hibernating, how many were in the banks of the 100mtr x 10mtr pond that has very recently been bulldozed? I would hazard a 'Meme' guess at £1.5 million worth. Or jail and an unlimited fine. Where is the Environmental Agency and RSPCA? Jam tomorrow
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4:59pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Jam tomorrow

The Environment Agency is trying to stop flooding, not encourage it !

The RSPCA are too busy trying to rehome unwanted dogs and cats which redundant housebuilders can no longer afford to keep, thanks to York Council's (anti) housing policies.

For heavens sake, the developers have done their bit at Monks Cross, and saved 300 newts, rather than the five that were found in the survey. Give them a break. Get the bloody thing built, and ease the pressure at the food banks by creating jobs and growth - in the economy and not just the bloody newt population !
Jam tomorrow The Environment Agency is trying to stop flooding, not encourage it ! The RSPCA are too busy trying to rehome unwanted dogs and cats which redundant housebuilders can no longer afford to keep, thanks to York Council's (anti) housing policies. For heavens sake, the developers have done their bit at Monks Cross, and saved 300 newts, rather than the five that were found in the survey. Give them a break. Get the bloody thing built, and ease the pressure at the food banks by creating jobs and growth - in the economy and not just the bloody newt population ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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5:03pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Jam tomorrow says... 4:50pm Fri 4 Jan 13

This seems to becoming an environmental crime scene. If the newts were known about beforehand and are now hibernating, how many were in the banks of the 100mtr x 10mtr pond that has very recently been bulldozed?
I would hazard a 'Meme' guess at £1.5 million worth. Or jail and an unlimited fine. Where is the Environmental Agency and RSPCA?’


It would be Natural England prosecuting anyway!
‘Jam tomorrow says... 4:50pm Fri 4 Jan 13 This seems to becoming an environmental crime scene. If the newts were known about beforehand and are now hibernating, how many were in the banks of the 100mtr x 10mtr pond that has very recently been bulldozed? I would hazard a 'Meme' guess at £1.5 million worth. Or jail and an unlimited fine. Where is the Environmental Agency and RSPCA?’ It would be Natural England prosecuting anyway! Kevin Turvey
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5:07pm Fri 4 Jan 13

south bronx red 2 says...

I oppose monks x for the following reasons.
The Teardrop site was a perfect compromise for the majority of City supporters and shops in the city center.
An industrial site in need of developement.
As for any residential developements.......
. The likes of David Wilson Homes etc. are only interested in developing profits for shareholders. One reason why they are increasing cheap substandard products in the new builds.
York has an abundance of sites to build on.
House builders want £200k + for a new house.
Any first time buyers need to be bank robbers to get a deposit these days.
Im chuffed we have an increase in newts. The shame is we are potentially killing them off in favour of concrete sheds.
I oppose monks x for the following reasons. The Teardrop site was a perfect compromise for the majority of City supporters and shops in the city center. An industrial site in need of developement. As for any residential developements....... . The likes of David Wilson Homes etc. are only interested in developing profits for shareholders. One reason why they are increasing cheap substandard products in the new builds. York has an abundance of sites to build on. House builders want £200k + for a new house. Any first time buyers need to be bank robbers to get a deposit these days. Im chuffed we have an increase in newts. The shame is we are potentially killing them off in favour of concrete sheds. south bronx red 2
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5:13pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Sillybillies says...

Where were the newts illegally collected from to be planted on the site, because that's what it looks like happened?
Where were the newts illegally collected from to be planted on the site, because that's what it looks like happened? Sillybillies
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5:22pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Digeorge says...

Where is the Environmental Agency and RSPCA?’

The thing is that York City Council probably couldn't give a toss about it all as they have not protected Hob Moor and its nature reserve as they should and allowed building to take place on green-belt land.

It sounds like negligence by York City Council on the part of the land....

They only care how much £ss they get and not for the environment. Monks Cross is a nightmare to get to if you don't have a car.
Where is the Environmental Agency and RSPCA?’ The thing is that York City Council probably couldn't give a toss about it all as they have not protected Hob Moor and its nature reserve as they should and allowed building to take place on green-belt land. It sounds like negligence by York City Council on the part of the land.... They only care how much £ss they get and not for the environment. Monks Cross is a nightmare to get to if you don't have a car. Digeorge
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5:52pm Fri 4 Jan 13

spockboy2 says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13
This country's gone mad.’


This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981.

So it’s not exactly new legislation!

Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit.

Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport.




‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’

I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so!
Is it full of two legged rats?



‘Simples.’

Yes, you most certainly are!
How can anyone be so bothered about a few newts .?
Will a few dead newts really matter ?
surely the development must go ahead .
The newts will move on ,they have survived millions of years .
Jobs and a nice footy ground for me is massive !
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: ‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13 This country's gone mad.’ This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981. So it’s not exactly new legislation! Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit. Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport. ‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’ I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so! Is it full of two legged rats? ‘Simples.’ Yes, you most certainly are![/p][/quote]How can anyone be so bothered about a few newts .? Will a few dead newts really matter ? surely the development must go ahead . The newts will move on ,they have survived millions of years . Jobs and a nice footy ground for me is massive ! spockboy2
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5:59pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Mr Anderson says...

HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.
HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium. Mr Anderson
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6:15pm Fri 4 Jan 13

monkeyhanger says...

Mr Anderson says...
5:59pm Fri 4 Jan 13

HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.”

Well said Mr Anderson.save those Newts I say.Maybe Instead of Kit Kat Crescent we could have Newt Terrace or Salamander Street Ground.
Mr Anderson says... 5:59pm Fri 4 Jan 13 HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.” Well said Mr Anderson.save those Newts I say.Maybe Instead of Kit Kat Crescent we could have Newt Terrace or Salamander Street Ground. monkeyhanger
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6:33pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Daley Mayall says...

Like a MonkeyHanger should have any say in this....

*rolls eyes*
Like a MonkeyHanger should have any say in this.... *rolls eyes* Daley Mayall
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6:35pm Fri 4 Jan 13

corfu1985 says...

livewithit wrote:
**** - I had put my money on Bats !
Yes talking of bats as opposed to newts,can anyone enlighten me as to why bats are a protected species?There doesn't seem to me to be any special reason why they have protected status,we seem to be unindated with them in the summer evenings.
[quote][p][bold]livewithit[/bold] wrote: **** - I had put my money on Bats ![/p][/quote]Yes talking of bats as opposed to newts,can anyone enlighten me as to why bats are a protected species?There doesn't seem to me to be any special reason why they have protected status,we seem to be unindated with them in the summer evenings. corfu1985
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6:50pm Fri 4 Jan 13

uriahh says...

For the sake of this debate, let's for the moment park any consideration whether it's necessary to protect newts or any other animal or even plant species!

The consequence of this supposed problem is a massive delay to the provision of significantly required facilities with knock on costs and disruption to works which should assist in our economic recovery. In addition the measures, as chosen, to overcome this problem seem to be at some totally unacceptable massive cost and extended delay!

What do we pay Civil Servants and Local Government officials for, and how do MP's and Councillors justify their massive expenses and salaries?

Accepting such a problem exists and needs resolving, and knowing the outcomes needed, is it not within the wit and knowhow of these public servants to organise some basis for getting the required output, but far more quickly - even during the Planning Application stage, and particularly at far less cost? Were these necessary works not put out to Tender on a Performance Specification basis, leaving the means of achieving that performance, subject to any regulations, solely at the discretionm of the Contractor?

In other words, were the works needed put out to Tender from which the best value/least delay and disruption scheme could be adopted.

This appears to be yet another Public Services **** up for which, typically, no one will be reprimanded or punished, let alone sacked!

On a lighter note, would it not be simpler to have flooded the area with cheap raw alcohol - the newts would have staggered out suitably enebriated like many on Friday night benders, and been quickly hoovered up by Mr. Plod and transported to some safe environment!
For the sake of this debate, let's for the moment park any consideration whether it's necessary to protect newts or any other animal or even plant species! The consequence of this supposed problem is a massive delay to the provision of significantly required facilities with knock on costs and disruption to works which should assist in our economic recovery. In addition the measures, as chosen, to overcome this problem seem to be at some totally unacceptable massive cost and extended delay! What do we pay Civil Servants and Local Government officials for, and how do MP's and Councillors justify their massive expenses and salaries? Accepting such a problem exists and needs resolving, and knowing the outcomes needed, is it not within the wit and knowhow of these public servants to organise some basis for getting the required output, but far more quickly - even during the Planning Application stage, and particularly at far less cost? Were these necessary works not put out to Tender on a Performance Specification basis, leaving the means of achieving that performance, subject to any regulations, solely at the discretionm of the Contractor? In other words, were the works needed put out to Tender from which the best value/least delay and disruption scheme could be adopted. This appears to be yet another Public Services **** up for which, typically, no one will be reprimanded or punished, let alone sacked! On a lighter note, would it not be simpler to have flooded the area with cheap raw alcohol - the newts would have staggered out suitably enebriated like many on Friday night benders, and been quickly hoovered up by Mr. Plod and transported to some safe environment! uriahh
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6:53pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Minsterred says...

Its not newts that will stop the stadium being built its toads!!
Its not newts that will stop the stadium being built its toads!! Minsterred
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7:26pm Fri 4 Jan 13

nearlyman says...

Ho Ho Ho....it had to happen. I think some one is breeding them and releasing them at night. It,lnot be long before the bats arrive!!
Ho Ho Ho....it had to happen. I think some one is breeding them and releasing them at night. It,lnot be long before the bats arrive!! nearlyman
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7:44pm Fri 4 Jan 13

cityforthepremier says...

Mr Anderson wrote:
HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.
As long as the shops are built by outside contractors and not the half-arsed cowboy builders based in York. The sooner they go bust the better.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Anderson[/bold] wrote: HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.[/p][/quote]As long as the shops are built by outside contractors and not the half-arsed cowboy builders based in York. The sooner they go bust the better. cityforthepremier
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9:34pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

cityforthepremier wrote:
Mr Anderson wrote:
HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.
As long as the shops are built by outside contractors and not the half-arsed cowboy builders based in York. The sooner they go bust the better.
Most of the good builders have packed it in anyway.

Sounds like you tried to have work done on the cheap, and got ripped off by chancers/cowboys ?

Suggest that you use reputable, experienced contractors next time. There are some left in York.
[quote][p][bold]cityforthepremier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Anderson[/bold] wrote: HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.[/p][/quote]As long as the shops are built by outside contractors and not the half-arsed cowboy builders based in York. The sooner they go bust the better.[/p][/quote]Most of the good builders have packed it in anyway. Sounds like you tried to have work done on the cheap, and got ripped off by chancers/cowboys ? Suggest that you use reputable, experienced contractors next time. There are some left in York. Scarlet Pimpernel
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9:40pm Fri 4 Jan 13

again says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13
This country's gone mad.’


This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981.

So it’s not exactly new legislation!

Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit.

Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport.




‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’

I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so!
Is it full of two legged rats?



‘Simples.’

Yes, you most certainly are!
Excellent comment.

It's extraordinary how many ridiculous comments have been made. Is it a slow newts day?

Let's be honest though. Shopping is all about generating profits to enrich the 1% whilst providing opium to keep the masses under sedation.

Good for the newts!
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: ‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13 This country's gone mad.’ This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981. So it’s not exactly new legislation! Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit. Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport. ‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’ I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so! Is it full of two legged rats? ‘Simples.’ Yes, you most certainly are![/p][/quote]Excellent comment. It's extraordinary how many ridiculous comments have been made. Is it a slow newts day? Let's be honest though. Shopping is all about generating profits to enrich the 1% whilst providing opium to keep the masses under sedation. Good for the newts! again
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9:49pm Fri 4 Jan 13

big boy york says...

why cant you all be realistic & accept thisd is never going to happen. youve all been hoodwinked by alexander & co what fools you all are
why cant you all be realistic & accept thisd is never going to happen. youve all been hoodwinked by alexander & co what fools you all are big boy york
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10:19pm Fri 4 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

All I know is Richard and Jill know how to work the system to suit themselves theyve done plenty in appleton roebuck to make heads turn. This delay is something they will encourage because it suits them. Wonder why ??
All I know is Richard and Jill know how to work the system to suit themselves theyve done plenty in appleton roebuck to make heads turn. This delay is something they will encourage because it suits them. Wonder why ?? capt spaulding
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10:32pm Fri 4 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

TerryYork wrote:
Probably that Leeds-supporting Barnitts guy taking late night trips with bags of baby newts, donated by Tory council members, taking a break from saying there's no need for food banks.
No Richard has a supplier
[quote][p][bold]TerryYork[/bold] wrote: Probably that Leeds-supporting Barnitts guy taking late night trips with bags of baby newts, donated by Tory council members, taking a break from saying there's no need for food banks.[/p][/quote]No Richard has a supplier capt spaulding
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11:32pm Fri 4 Jan 13

dweezil says...

It never suprises me how quickly the regular posters engage in their personal battles, given ANY, opportunity. Posting this late, can anyone remember the story? Rent a car park, and have it out.
Shops, football/rugby round, it WILL NOT kill the city of York. get over it. Badly led councils however?...
It never suprises me how quickly the regular posters engage in their personal battles, given ANY, opportunity. Posting this late, can anyone remember the story? Rent a car park, and have it out. Shops, football/rugby round, it WILL NOT kill the city of York. get over it. Badly led councils however?... dweezil
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12:23am Sat 5 Jan 13

Jam tomorrow says...

dweezil wrote:
It never suprises me how quickly the regular posters engage in their personal battles, given ANY, opportunity. Posting this late, can anyone remember the story? Rent a car park, and have it out.
Shops, football/rugby round, it WILL NOT kill the city of York. get over it. Badly led councils however?...
I agree about regular posters dweezil; it does seem that a lot of them are the same gang in that they swamp discussion of the topic by pretending to dislike each other. I do suspect that around 3 of them are sat at 3 computers in the same office conspiratorially blowing-a-dog-whistl
e to distract the rest of us.
The facts are that a protected animal (and why it is protected has nothing to do with this discussion) has been disregarded. The count of 5 newts becoming 300 newts is not sensible so who did the 5 count?
And more to the point; who gave the order to destroy the wildlife pond on the site when it was known that it must have contained said protected animal?
If this was bats in your shed you would have daily visits from a myriad of officials and you couldn't do anything to endanger them from fear of bankruptcy. Where are the officials now?
[quote][p][bold]dweezil[/bold] wrote: It never suprises me how quickly the regular posters engage in their personal battles, given ANY, opportunity. Posting this late, can anyone remember the story? Rent a car park, and have it out. Shops, football/rugby round, it WILL NOT kill the city of York. get over it. Badly led councils however?...[/p][/quote]I agree about regular posters dweezil; it does seem that a lot of them are the same gang in that they swamp discussion of the topic by pretending to dislike each other. I do suspect that around 3 of them are sat at 3 computers in the same office conspiratorially blowing-a-dog-whistl e to distract the rest of us. The facts are that a protected animal (and why it is protected has nothing to do with this discussion) has been disregarded. The count of 5 newts becoming 300 newts is not sensible so who did the 5 count? And more to the point; who gave the order to destroy the wildlife pond on the site when it was known that it must have contained said protected animal? If this was bats in your shed you would have daily visits from a myriad of officials and you couldn't do anything to endanger them from fear of bankruptcy. Where are the officials now? Jam tomorrow
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12:31am Sat 5 Jan 13

roadwars says...

First the Newts will die when the devellopers find a way of "removing the problem" then our great football club will die when the crowds drop back to around the 500 mark because nobody except those who live to the north of York will be bothered about going to a souless out of town stadium...

A sad mess from start to finish, and all because of one greedy man's asset stripping exploits.
First the Newts will die when the devellopers find a way of "removing the problem" then our great football club will die when the crowds drop back to around the 500 mark because nobody except those who live to the north of York will be bothered about going to a souless out of town stadium... A sad mess from start to finish, and all because of one greedy man's asset stripping exploits. roadwars
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1:46am Sat 5 Jan 13

Donny Lass says...

The environment is the home we all live in and all its precious species have their place. There is no "newts versus horses" trade off. If animals are not being treated fairly then start to do something to protect them. Take responsibility and complain to the appropriate body until you get results.It's the squeaky wheel that get's the oil.
The environment is the home we all live in and all its precious species have their place. There is no "newts versus horses" trade off. If animals are not being treated fairly then start to do something to protect them. Take responsibility and complain to the appropriate body until you get results.It's the squeaky wheel that get's the oil. Donny Lass
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3:43am Sat 5 Jan 13

Magicman! says...

Wonder if Osbaldwick parish council had a walk over there some a few boxes of newts....
Wonder if Osbaldwick parish council had a walk over there some a few boxes of newts.... Magicman!
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4:23am Sat 5 Jan 13

Caliyorkia says...

I don't understand the problem. There are a lot of Newts. And they are building a Newt outlet store? So they should all be sold to good homes very soon?

What, oh, Next outlet store, sorry.

I'll get my coat. From the Newt outlet store. Err, Next.
I don't understand the problem. There are a lot of Newts. And they are building a Newt outlet store? So they should all be sold to good homes very soon? What, oh, Next outlet store, sorry. I'll get my coat. From the Newt outlet store. Err, Next. Caliyorkia
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9:48am Sat 5 Jan 13

sharpish says...

Magicman! wrote:
Wonder if Osbaldwick parish council had a walk over there some a few boxes of newts....
Do you realise how offensive and ill-informed your comment is Magicman?

It's completely unjustified and the same goes for all those comments suggesting that any other individual(s) might have 'planted' newts or bats on development sites.

Any blame for this fiasco should be directed at developers who regularly underplay the presence of protected species and also at the failure of the Council to apply the regulations correctly.

You are perpetuating a myth without any evidence whatsoever so please apologise to all Osbaldwick Parish Councillors for impugning their integrity.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: Wonder if Osbaldwick parish council had a walk over there some a few boxes of newts....[/p][/quote]Do you realise how offensive and ill-informed your comment is Magicman? It's completely unjustified and the same goes for all those comments suggesting that any other individual(s) might have 'planted' newts or bats on development sites. Any blame for this fiasco should be directed at developers who regularly underplay the presence of protected species and also at the failure of the Council to apply the regulations correctly. You are perpetuating a myth without any evidence whatsoever so please apologise to all Osbaldwick Parish Councillors for impugning their integrity. sharpish
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10:58am Sat 5 Jan 13

jorvik says...

sharpish wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
Wonder if Osbaldwick parish council had a walk over there some a few boxes of newts....
Do you realise how offensive and ill-informed your comment is Magicman?

It's completely unjustified and the same goes for all those comments suggesting that any other individual(s) might have 'planted' newts or bats on development sites.

Any blame for this fiasco should be directed at developers who regularly underplay the presence of protected species and also at the failure of the Council to apply the regulations correctly.

You are perpetuating a myth without any evidence whatsoever so please apologise to all Osbaldwick Parish Councillors for impugning their integrity.
Why not just move the newts in with the toads that are about to move into the £50 million waste of money called the new council offices
[quote][p][bold]sharpish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: Wonder if Osbaldwick parish council had a walk over there some a few boxes of newts....[/p][/quote]Do you realise how offensive and ill-informed your comment is Magicman? It's completely unjustified and the same goes for all those comments suggesting that any other individual(s) might have 'planted' newts or bats on development sites. Any blame for this fiasco should be directed at developers who regularly underplay the presence of protected species and also at the failure of the Council to apply the regulations correctly. You are perpetuating a myth without any evidence whatsoever so please apologise to all Osbaldwick Parish Councillors for impugning their integrity.[/p][/quote]Why not just move the newts in with the toads that are about to move into the £50 million waste of money called the new council offices jorvik
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12:34pm Sat 5 Jan 13

TerryYork says...

spockboy2 wrote:
Kevin Turvey wrote:
‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13
This country's gone mad.’


This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981.

So it’s not exactly new legislation!

Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit.

Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport.




‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’

I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so!
Is it full of two legged rats?



‘Simples.’

Yes, you most certainly are!
How can anyone be so bothered about a few newts .?
Will a few dead newts really matter ?
surely the development must go ahead .
The newts will move on ,they have survived millions of years .
Jobs and a nice footy ground for me is massive !
Exactly right. Kevin Turvey is clearly one of those Terry Nutkins types. I couldn't even reply to his post as I was laughing too much as the tears that were clearly falling for these slimey things in his post.
[quote][p][bold]spockboy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: ‘PhilipInYork says... 12:24pm Fri 4 Jan 13 This country's gone mad.’ This country has always been mad and for your information the Great Crested Newt and other wildlife have been protected by law since The Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981. So it’s not exactly new legislation! Your sort of attitude is why there needs to be legislation to protect wildlife from man’s continuing unrequired takeover of the natural world for short term monetary profit. Especially when all said and done its only for some more shops, so shallow idiots can get off on retail therapy for the next unnecessary fad/gadget to make their empty lives seem worthwhile or a group of mindless morons following a very poor performing ‘team’ of unskilled, overpaid and overrated Fwits kicking around an inflated pigs bladder round a muddy field in the name of sport. ‘Send in the flamethrowers, get rid, build the shops and let's get this new stadium, not the 6,000 version, built and sorted out with safe standing and something the city can be proud of.’ I could say the same of the housing estate where I suspect you live! Would it improve the surroundings? I suspect so! Is it full of two legged rats? ‘Simples.’ Yes, you most certainly are![/p][/quote]How can anyone be so bothered about a few newts .? Will a few dead newts really matter ? surely the development must go ahead . The newts will move on ,they have survived millions of years . Jobs and a nice footy ground for me is massive ![/p][/quote]Exactly right. Kevin Turvey is clearly one of those Terry Nutkins types. I couldn't even reply to his post as I was laughing too much as the tears that were clearly falling for these slimey things in his post. TerryYork
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12:37pm Sat 5 Jan 13

TerryYork says...

Mr Anderson wrote:
HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.
So that's SEVEN accounts this sad act has set up here. SEVEN. Even replying to himself about how much he hates York City. What a pathetic tory boy he is.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Anderson[/bold] wrote: HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.[/p][/quote]So that's SEVEN accounts this sad act has set up here. SEVEN. Even replying to himself about how much he hates York City. What a pathetic tory boy he is. TerryYork
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1:19pm Sat 5 Jan 13

speaks99 says...

So what were basically saying here is a three month delay to one of the stores opening is going to derail the whole project?
Now I know some of you may have been on the Christmas brandy but even you can't believe that...
So what were basically saying here is a three month delay to one of the stores opening is going to derail the whole project? Now I know some of you may have been on the Christmas brandy but even you can't believe that... speaks99
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1:38pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Sillybillies says...

nearlyman says...
7:26pm Fri 4 Jan 13
Ho Ho Ho....it had to happen. I think some one is breeding them and releasing them at night. It'll not be long before the bats arrive!!

Followed by a protected species of snail? Something's wrong, it stinks. If M & S and John Lewis had any sense they'd walk away from York and build elsewhere.
[quote]nearlyman says... 7:26pm Fri 4 Jan 13 Ho Ho Ho....it had to happen. I think some one is breeding them and releasing them at night. It'll not be long before the bats arrive!![/quote] Followed by a protected species of snail? Something's wrong, it stinks. If M & S and John Lewis had any sense they'd walk away from York and build elsewhere. Sillybillies
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1:49pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

TerryYork wrote:
Mr Anderson wrote: HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.
So that's SEVEN accounts this sad act has set up here. SEVEN. Even replying to himself about how much he hates York City. What a pathetic tory boy he is.
Name the other six ?

How do you equate Tories with the anti-football/YCFC brigade ?
[quote][p][bold]TerryYork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Anderson[/bold] wrote: HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.[/p][/quote]So that's SEVEN accounts this sad act has set up here. SEVEN. Even replying to himself about how much he hates York City. What a pathetic tory boy he is.[/p][/quote]Name the other six ? How do you equate Tories with the anti-football/YCFC brigade ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:38pm Sat 5 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

roadwars wrote:
First the Newts will die when the devellopers find a way of "removing the problem" then our great football club will die when the crowds drop back to around the 500 mark because nobody except those who live to the north of York will be bothered about going to a souless out of town stadium...

A sad mess from start to finish, and all because of one greedy man's asset stripping exploits.
You mean Richard ?
[quote][p][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: First the Newts will die when the devellopers find a way of "removing the problem" then our great football club will die when the crowds drop back to around the 500 mark because nobody except those who live to the north of York will be bothered about going to a souless out of town stadium... A sad mess from start to finish, and all because of one greedy man's asset stripping exploits.[/p][/quote]You mean Richard ? capt spaulding
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4:53pm Sat 5 Jan 13

roadwars says...

capt spaulding wrote:
roadwars wrote:
First the Newts will die when the devellopers find a way of "removing the problem" then our great football club will die when the crowds drop back to around the 500 mark because nobody except those who live to the north of York will be bothered about going to a souless out of town stadium...

A sad mess from start to finish, and all because of one greedy man's asset stripping exploits.
You mean Richard ?
Who?
[quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: First the Newts will die when the devellopers find a way of "removing the problem" then our great football club will die when the crowds drop back to around the 500 mark because nobody except those who live to the north of York will be bothered about going to a souless out of town stadium... A sad mess from start to finish, and all because of one greedy man's asset stripping exploits.[/p][/quote]You mean Richard ?[/p][/quote]Who? roadwars
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7:44pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Mr Anderson says...

TerryYork wrote:
Mr Anderson wrote:
HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.
So that's SEVEN accounts this sad act has set up here. SEVEN. Even replying to himself about how much he hates York City. What a pathetic tory boy he is.
Eh? What are you babbling on about?

By the way. I have never, and never will vote Tory.
[quote][p][bold]TerryYork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Anderson[/bold] wrote: HA HA HA! This story has made my week! One in the face for those pathetic fans who feel nothing is more important than a third rate, two bit football team. I'll bet the shops get built in the end, but no money pit stadium.[/p][/quote]So that's SEVEN accounts this sad act has set up here. SEVEN. Even replying to himself about how much he hates York City. What a pathetic tory boy he is.[/p][/quote]Eh? What are you babbling on about? By the way. I have never, and never will vote Tory. Mr Anderson
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9:34am Mon 7 Jan 13

Hoofarted says...

Oh goodie, the raving paranoid tories are ranting again. The food banks must be agitating them again. All that money wasted on poverty created by them.
Oh goodie, the raving paranoid tories are ranting again. The food banks must be agitating them again. All that money wasted on poverty created by them. Hoofarted
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10:06am Mon 7 Jan 13

akuma says...

Is it just me, or does it seem that everytime it looks like protestors to any type of build lose a fight, suddenly a rare or protected species of animal magically turns up to put the brakes on things.

If one were so inclined, one might think they are being planted in a desperate effort to stop the build?
Is it just me, or does it seem that everytime it looks like protestors to any type of build lose a fight, suddenly a rare or protected species of animal magically turns up to put the brakes on things. If one were so inclined, one might think they are being planted in a desperate effort to stop the build? akuma
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11:18am Mon 7 Jan 13

York CC Worker says...

I laughed out loud when I heard this on Radio 4 on Friday night. Should have placed a bet on some 'external' factor causing a delay!
I laughed out loud when I heard this on Radio 4 on Friday night. Should have placed a bet on some 'external' factor causing a delay! York CC Worker
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2:11pm Mon 7 Jan 13

meme says...

I have had personal involvement with re-siting newts
It cost some £250,000 for approx 50 newts!Ignoring the costs for delays
God help Oakgate as there is no concession given to costs/jobs/economics etc by well meaning but fundamentally flawed, environmentalists.
I have had personal involvement with re-siting newts It cost some £250,000 for approx 50 newts!Ignoring the costs for delays God help Oakgate as there is no concession given to costs/jobs/economics etc by well meaning but fundamentally flawed, environmentalists. meme
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3:05pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

meme wrote:
I have had personal involvement with re-siting newts It cost some £250,000 for approx 50 newts!Ignoring the costs for delays God help Oakgate as there is no concession given to costs/jobs/economics etc by well meaning but fundamentally flawed, environmentalists.
Ridiculous.

£5,000 per newt ?

How on earth can this be justified ?

Why can't newts be farmed, and bought to replace any lost through development ?

There must be a more sensible approach to this, as jobs and growth must come before a handful of newts, surely ?
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I have had personal involvement with re-siting newts It cost some £250,000 for approx 50 newts!Ignoring the costs for delays God help Oakgate as there is no concession given to costs/jobs/economics etc by well meaning but fundamentally flawed, environmentalists.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous. £5,000 per newt ? How on earth can this be justified ? Why can't newts be farmed, and bought to replace any lost through development ? There must be a more sensible approach to this, as jobs and growth must come before a handful of newts, surely ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:08pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

£250,000 would be better spent saving endangered species like whales, tigers and polar bears, IMO.
£250,000 would be better spent saving endangered species like whales, tigers and polar bears, IMO. Scarlet Pimpernel
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5:00pm Mon 7 Jan 13

MarkyMarkMark says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
meme wrote:
I have had personal involvement with re-siting newts It cost some £250,000 for approx 50 newts!Ignoring the costs for delays God help Oakgate as there is no concession given to costs/jobs/economics etc by well meaning but fundamentally flawed, environmentalists.
Ridiculous.

£5,000 per newt ?

How on earth can this be justified ?

Why can't newts be farmed, and bought to replace any lost through development ?

There must be a more sensible approach to this, as jobs and growth must come before a handful of newts, surely ?
If you want to maintain the genetic diversity of your GC Newt population, then you need to let them roam free and wide. Farming them will restrict their choice of potential mates, as well as making to difficult for them to get out for a drink of a night-time.

I resisted the even sillier comments about the depth of the gene pool and what was swimming in it.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I have had personal involvement with re-siting newts It cost some £250,000 for approx 50 newts!Ignoring the costs for delays God help Oakgate as there is no concession given to costs/jobs/economics etc by well meaning but fundamentally flawed, environmentalists.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous. £5,000 per newt ? How on earth can this be justified ? Why can't newts be farmed, and bought to replace any lost through development ? There must be a more sensible approach to this, as jobs and growth must come before a handful of newts, surely ?[/p][/quote]If you want to maintain the genetic diversity of your GC Newt population, then you need to let them roam free and wide. Farming them will restrict their choice of potential mates, as well as making to difficult for them to get out for a drink of a night-time. I resisted the even sillier comments about the depth of the gene pool and what was swimming in it. MarkyMarkMark
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10:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Hoofarted says...

Mr Laveracks ranting again i see. Surely there's some newts in New Earswick?
Mr Laveracks ranting again i see. Surely there's some newts in New Earswick? Hoofarted
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9:56am Tue 8 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Hoofarted

I'm not Matthew Laverack, and as usual, you have nothing to contribute to the debate. Just out to divert attention from the problem ?,
Hoofarted I'm not Matthew Laverack, and as usual, you have nothing to contribute to the debate. Just out to divert attention from the problem ?, Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:49pm Tue 8 Jan 13

MadHaxMan says...

......"significantly required facilities"
......"great football club"
Oh purleese... more ticky-tacky shops and another desperate attempt to make a silk purse out of a sow's football team.
Anyway, the whole project is now totally doomed - just got back from releasing 4 water-voles on the site. Game, set and match to the team in Green!
......"significantly required facilities" ......"great football club" Oh purleese... more ticky-tacky shops and another desperate attempt to make a silk purse out of a sow's football team. Anyway, the whole project is now totally doomed - just got back from releasing 4 water-voles on the site. Game, set and match to the team in Green! MadHaxMan
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10:34am Thu 10 Jan 13

meme says...

Regardless of Monks Cross south and the rights and wrongs its time people realised just how mad our world has become......This scheme has planning yet it could all be jeopardised by newts..
It will bring much needed jobs for contractors and then shop employees..
It will bring more people to york and has been dcided to be approved whether we agree with the decision or not yet newts could potentially derail it..
What is more important people or newts?
If nothing else this story has brought to the attention of the mainstream public just what mad regulations are enforced and what stands in the way iof develpment
look around you next time you pass lots of blcak plastic fencing...This is newt protection fencing... imagine the millions being wasted nationwide on this... its utter madness
Regardless of Monks Cross south and the rights and wrongs its time people realised just how mad our world has become......This scheme has planning yet it could all be jeopardised by newts.. It will bring much needed jobs for contractors and then shop employees.. It will bring more people to york and has been dcided to be approved whether we agree with the decision or not yet newts could potentially derail it.. What is more important people or newts? If nothing else this story has brought to the attention of the mainstream public just what mad regulations are enforced and what stands in the way iof develpment look around you next time you pass lots of blcak plastic fencing...This is newt protection fencing... imagine the millions being wasted nationwide on this... its utter madness meme
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12:39pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Pennysworth says...

Where does it end though? Let's expand everything, more jobs, more people, more demand, better roads required etc. In another five years or so more land will be required to keep up, people will again argue 'ooh, but it will create more jobs etc etc'.
To some, who can't see beyond their own lifetime, the Newt issue seems incredibly trivial, but those who understand that we actually have a duty of care for this planet are pretty **** pleased these slimy fellas got in the way. Anyway, that said, this and future schemes will go ahead, all green will be concreted over, flooding will increase, and one day someone floating away on an up-turned council office table will be thinking 'Oops'.
Where does it end though? Let's expand everything, more jobs, more people, more demand, better roads required etc. In another five years or so more land will be required to keep up, people will again argue 'ooh, but it will create more jobs etc etc'. To some, who can't see beyond their own lifetime, the Newt issue seems incredibly trivial, but those who understand that we actually have a duty of care for this planet are pretty **** pleased these slimy fellas got in the way. Anyway, that said, this and future schemes will go ahead, all green will be concreted over, flooding will increase, and one day someone floating away on an up-turned council office table will be thinking 'Oops'. Pennysworth
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10:26am Fri 11 Jan 13

meme says...

Come on Pennysworth.There are plenty of checks and balances in place
Newts are NOT rare in the UK its europe that has the problem We have so many we could export them and help them rebuild their populations.
We have to have a vibrant economy or how will our children find jobs/homes etc.
Its a fact of life that we are bursting at the seams with people for all sorts of reasons population growth/ immigration etc and we have to find places for them to work and live
Whether we like it or not green space will be built over... It always has been but we have plenty of space to ensure we do it as sustainably as possible but there are rules and madness and at the moment Newts/bats etc are taking over the madhouse
Come on Pennysworth.There are plenty of checks and balances in place Newts are NOT rare in the UK its europe that has the problem We have so many we could export them and help them rebuild their populations. We have to have a vibrant economy or how will our children find jobs/homes etc. Its a fact of life that we are bursting at the seams with people for all sorts of reasons population growth/ immigration etc and we have to find places for them to work and live Whether we like it or not green space will be built over... It always has been but we have plenty of space to ensure we do it as sustainably as possible but there are rules and madness and at the moment Newts/bats etc are taking over the madhouse meme
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3:56pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Pennysworth says...

It wasn't really just about the Newts and yes, it is inevitable. Doesn't mean I have to agree or subscribe to it. I do want the best for my children, children's children etc and this (in my opinion) isn't it.
It wasn't really just about the Newts and yes, it is inevitable. Doesn't mean I have to agree or subscribe to it. I do want the best for my children, children's children etc and this (in my opinion) isn't it. Pennysworth
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