York City knocked out of Johnstone's Paint Trophy 2-0 by Barnsley

York City's Michael Coulson in action against former club Barnsley

York City midfielder Luke Summerfield tries to get the ball under control against Barnsley

York City defender Keith Lowe in action at Barnsley

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GOALS from on-loan Manchester City striker Devante Cole and Kane Hemmings knocked York City out of the Johnstone's Paint Trophy at Barnsley.

The result left Nigel Worthington's Minstermen still waiting for their first win of the season and out of two cup competitions by the first week in September.

But, in a familiar story for City followers this season, had the visitors taken their chances as well as Cole - the 19-year-old son of ex-England striker Andy - and Hemmings then it could have been the visitors and not their SkyBet League One hosts progressing to the second round.

The Minstermen made one change to the side that kicked off Saturday’s 0-0 home draw against Wycombe as last season’s top scorer Wes Fletcher made his first start since mid-February due to medial knee ligament damage with Jake Hyde dropping to the bench.

City settled quickly into the game but it took more than 20 minutes before either side mustered a shot on goal.

Luke Summerfield’s 25-yard effort, following good combination play Antony Straker and Fletcher, then only required a routine save from Tykes shot-stopper Adam Davies.

A hopeful Keith Lowe attempt drifted wide from further out moments later, before fellow centre-back John McCombe’s powerful downward header bounced wide following Summerfield’s corner.

Good work by Straker and Fletcher teed up another chance for Summerfield that he struck high and wide from the edge of the box.

Straker also headed well over from Lindon Meikle’s right-wing centre before Barnsley managed their first shot of the night on 36 minutes.

Former Scunthorpe striker Sam Winnall picked out Conor Hourihane in the visitors’ penalty box but, after he tiptoed his way into a good shooting position ten yards from goal, his low shot was deflected narrowly wide.

Michael Ingham then spilled Dale Jennings’ low 20-yard drive from the subsequent corner but his team-mates cleared the danger.

At the other end, Lowe missed a glorious opportunity to break the deadlock when he volleyed back across the face of goal from three yards after meeting Summerfield’s corner to the far post.

Winnall went on to finish poorly, curling into Ingham’s stomach from 20 yards at the end of a purposeful, left-channel raid.

Moments after the restart, Hourihane's 25-yard free kick cleared the City crossbar after Marvin McCoy had picked up a yellow card to prevent Jennings from racing on to a Winnall through ball.

Jennings' long-range drive was also saved low to his right by Ingham, while ex-Tyke Michael Coulson flashed a menacing effort wide of the far post for the Minstermen after cutting in from right.

A quick exchange of passes between Hourihane and Winnall saw the former call Ingham into action just before the hour and Cole, who had been quiet for most of the match, drove wide from a narrow angle shortly afterwards.

He made no mistake with his next chance, however, prodding in from three yards at the far post to open the scoring following an excellently-delivered low right-wing cross by James Bree.

City might have struck back instantly but Straker shot weakly wide from 12 yards with his right foot after working his way into a good position before Ingham was equal to a low Jennings drive.

Lewis Montrose, on as a substitute, fired wildly off target on 79 minutes for the visitors before Hemmings doubled Barnsley's lead with a terrific strike.

Picking the ball up from Hourihane, Hemmings beat Ingham with a fierce 25-yard attempt that bounced in off the City keeper's left-hand post to put the outcome beyond doubt.


Match facts

Barnsley 2 (Cole 63, Hemmings 80), York City 0

City: Ingham 7, McCoy 7, Lowe 7 , McCombe 7, Ilesanmi 7, Meikle 6, Penn 7 (Montrose, 75), Summerfield 7, Straker 6, Coulson 6 (Hirst, 65), Fletcher 6 (Hyde, 46). Subs not used: Mooney, Winfield.

Barnsley: Davies, Brown, Crainie, Nyatanga, Dudgeon, Bree (Berry, 82), Abbott, Hourihane, Jennings, Cole, Winnall (Hemmings, 65). Subs not used: Turnbull, Berry, Hemmings, M'voto, McHale.

Referee: Peter Bankes (Merseyside)

Attendance: 4,218 (521 from City)

Shots on target: City 7, Barnsley 3.

Shots off target: City 2, Barnsley 7.

Corners: City 2, Barnsley 6.

Fouls conceded: City 4, Barnsley 11.

Offsides: City 3, Barnsley 1.

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10:07pm Tue 2 Sep 14

henleazeyorkie says...

Oh well. We may get Concorde Rangers at home in the FA Cup and break this cup hoo-doo. I followed the game on line. Having been at Exeter only this season, I was initially glad to see that we were creating lots of chances but again couldn't put any away. I wasn't there, so can't tell how well we were doing, but after we went 1-0 down, bored with refreshing the score every two minutes, I took a look at Morecambe's start to the season, and in particular conversion of goals from shots.

Why Morecambe? An ex-Conference club, not hugely successful since being promoted into the League, scored the same number of League Goals as us last season (52) but we had a better defence, plus they were being tipped to go down. So, because they have had a bright start, I started to compare stats from the BBC Website (from OPTA).

7 games each. 5 League. 2 Cup - both teams played twice against League 1 oppo

Morecambe (to date)

Shots on Goal - 71
On Target - 35 (50%)
Goals For - 13 (1 in about 6 of shots on goal)

York (to date)

Shots on Goal - 106 (50% more than Morecambe. Creating not a proiblem)
On Target - 35 (same as our Lancastrian friends)
Goals for - 5 (1 in 21 shots on goal)

Yes, we've had injuries to strikers coming back (hope Fletcher's ok btw), yes we're unbeaten in the League, yes this is a bit anorakish, but having read posts over the weeks, speaking with mates up there who go week in, week out, it's not looking too pretty as far as converting chances goes.

No doubt I've got the wrong end of the stick, our luck will change, etc etc (and I sincerely hope it does), what do you know without watching games every week, but stats are rarely too much out of kilter and unless they start going North soon, then our League position will end up going South.
Oh well. We may get Concorde Rangers at home in the FA Cup and break this cup hoo-doo. I followed the game on line. Having been at Exeter only this season, I was initially glad to see that we were creating lots of chances but again couldn't put any away. I wasn't there, so can't tell how well we were doing, but after we went 1-0 down, bored with refreshing the score every two minutes, I took a look at Morecambe's start to the season, and in particular conversion of goals from shots. Why Morecambe? An ex-Conference club, not hugely successful since being promoted into the League, scored the same number of League Goals as us last season (52) but we had a better defence, plus they were being tipped to go down. So, because they have had a bright start, I started to compare stats from the BBC Website (from OPTA). 7 games each. 5 League. 2 Cup - both teams played twice against League 1 oppo Morecambe (to date) Shots on Goal - 71 On Target - 35 (50%) Goals For - 13 (1 in about 6 of shots on goal) York (to date) Shots on Goal - 106 (50% more than Morecambe. Creating not a proiblem) On Target - 35 (same as our Lancastrian friends) Goals for - 5 (1 in 21 shots on goal) Yes, we've had injuries to strikers coming back (hope Fletcher's ok btw), yes we're unbeaten in the League, yes this is a bit anorakish, but having read posts over the weeks, speaking with mates up there who go week in, week out, it's not looking too pretty as far as converting chances goes. No doubt I've got the wrong end of the stick, our luck will change, etc etc (and I sincerely hope it does), what do you know without watching games every week, but stats are rarely too much out of kilter and unless they start going North soon, then our League position will end up going South. henleazeyorkie
  • Score: 31

10:39pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Fergie says...

Didn't go to the game, radio york for me but sounded like we totaly dominated the first half without scoring again. Becoming a bit of a habit playing well and having nothing to show for it.
Sounded like Fletcher had a good 1st half until he was replaced by Hyde, hope he isn't injured? Just need someone to play alongside him to bang a few in the net.
Noticed Calvin Andrew scored again for rochdale tonight, mistake to let him go in my opinion, was a handful last season and although not prolific for us, would have been a useful foil with Fletch up front. He could easily have had 4 goals last ten games last season but for some good goalkeeping. Jury out on Hyde, although too early to make a proper judgement yet.
Keep the Faith, hope our luck will change soon starting saturday at Stevenage. Come on City!
Didn't go to the game, radio york for me but sounded like we totaly dominated the first half without scoring again. Becoming a bit of a habit playing well and having nothing to show for it. Sounded like Fletcher had a good 1st half until he was replaced by Hyde, hope he isn't injured? Just need someone to play alongside him to bang a few in the net. Noticed Calvin Andrew scored again for rochdale tonight, mistake to let him go in my opinion, was a handful last season and although not prolific for us, would have been a useful foil with Fletch up front. He could easily have had 4 goals last ten games last season but for some good goalkeeping. Jury out on Hyde, although too early to make a proper judgement yet. Keep the Faith, hope our luck will change soon starting saturday at Stevenage. Come on City! Fergie
  • Score: 9

10:44pm Tue 2 Sep 14

23rdApril1966 says...

Just back from Oakwell and for those that didn't make it I would like to say we were toothless, but we were blunter than that. I swear if there had been a penalty shoot out we would still failed to find the net.
Lots of possession first half in particular but nothing in the last 30 yards. So many wasted crosses. NW was very kind in his post match summary and I was astounded to hear him say that he had not even considered pairing Fletcher and Hyde. Five goals from seven matches and no wins in seven I wouldn't have thought that one was rocket science!
Highlight of night the City support. Lowlight the 'shot'. - I use the word reservedly - from Montrose late on which was plain embarrassing.
Just back from Oakwell and for those that didn't make it I would like to say we were toothless, but we were blunter than that. I swear if there had been a penalty shoot out we would still failed to find the net. Lots of possession first half in particular but nothing in the last 30 yards. So many wasted crosses. NW was very kind in his post match summary and I was astounded to hear him say that he had not even considered pairing Fletcher and Hyde. Five goals from seven matches and no wins in seven I wouldn't have thought that one was rocket science! Highlight of night the City support. Lowlight the 'shot'. - I use the word reservedly - from Montrose late on which was plain embarrassing. 23rdApril1966
  • Score: 3

9:23am Wed 3 Sep 14

PhilTopping says...

Well, I've stopped posting on here since the endless procession of people decided they'd insult me for daring to challenge King Nigel. Sadly, and I do mean sadly, I'm being proven right. I was kinda hoping that I'd be wrong because I've seen every York game this season and it would have made that experience much sweeter. But I don't think I'm wrong, in fact I think it's actually worse than I thought.

We're going to have one hell of a struggle this season even achieving midtable safety with our current plans. We've got a pitifully small squad that, I'd guess, only Nigel Worthington deems big enough for a very physical league. We've a number of players who have been injury prone for years and are proving so again this season. We have no creativity in midfield whatsoever. We have wingers who do the pretty stuff really well but have no delivery. We have wingers playing as centre forwards. No attacking impetus from full back. A goalkeeper who looks nervous and is trying to play like Pope and failing badly. And finally a manager who has his head so far in the sand that he's chatting with Aussies.

It's a right old mess. Last night was Cambridge for the first half and Wycombe for the second. Hyde looks like a silly purchase, I've said the first time I saw him play. He's not going to score many with our lack of creativity and he doesn't create any heat on his own. Last night all my mates were talking about Carson being the answer. Poor lad, he's already got the entire weight of the club's ambitions on his shoulders and he's not able to run properly yet. I doubt he'll be properly fit before Christmas and is going to be just as vulnerable to picking up little strains as poor Fletcher.

Last season we were patched up by the magnificence of Pope. This season, Pope-less, we're just as impotent up front but now we're busily conceding goals. I think this pre-season's recruitment will be regarded as something of a disaster come May 2015.
Well, I've stopped posting on here since the endless procession of people decided they'd insult me for daring to challenge King Nigel. Sadly, and I do mean sadly, I'm being proven right. I was kinda hoping that I'd be wrong because I've seen every York game this season and it would have made that experience much sweeter. But I don't think I'm wrong, in fact I think it's actually worse than I thought. We're going to have one hell of a struggle this season even achieving midtable safety with our current plans. We've got a pitifully small squad that, I'd guess, only Nigel Worthington deems big enough for a very physical league. We've a number of players who have been injury prone for years and are proving so again this season. We have no creativity in midfield whatsoever. We have wingers who do the pretty stuff really well but have no delivery. We have wingers playing as centre forwards. No attacking impetus from full back. A goalkeeper who looks nervous and is trying to play like Pope and failing badly. And finally a manager who has his head so far in the sand that he's chatting with Aussies. It's a right old mess. Last night was Cambridge for the first half and Wycombe for the second. Hyde looks like a silly purchase, I've said the first time I saw him play. He's not going to score many with our lack of creativity and he doesn't create any heat on his own. Last night all my mates were talking about Carson being the answer. Poor lad, he's already got the entire weight of the club's ambitions on his shoulders and he's not able to run properly yet. I doubt he'll be properly fit before Christmas and is going to be just as vulnerable to picking up little strains as poor Fletcher. Last season we were patched up by the magnificence of Pope. This season, Pope-less, we're just as impotent up front but now we're busily conceding goals. I think this pre-season's recruitment will be regarded as something of a disaster come May 2015. PhilTopping
  • Score: 15

9:24am Wed 3 Sep 14

joejamestom says...

Listened to this one why? Well if I am disappointed then there is no point punishing my own teams revenue we will turn out at home to support my team but not attending away matches does the least harm.
Sounds like we did well as a good footballing side just no finish, though I am starting to wish Barry Parker was doing the commentary as the current team does not provide details to paint much of a verbal picture of the play & a bit boring in their delivery.
What is the way forward? It seems to me its far too early to spend money the club has not got on players with little certainty of unearthing a gem.
At the moment it seems to me we just have to get behind our team give the club time to get our players scoring although not until December as I still think that overall this group is a better starting point than we had at the start of last season. Though I was sorry to see Bowman leave personally as to me he looked like he would come good after maybe a loan out.
Keep going City lets get there together!
Listened to this one why? Well if I am disappointed then there is no point punishing my own teams revenue we will turn out at home to support my team but not attending away matches does the least harm. Sounds like we did well as a good footballing side just no finish, though I am starting to wish Barry Parker was doing the commentary as the current team does not provide details to paint much of a verbal picture of the play & a bit boring in their delivery. What is the way forward? It seems to me its far too early to spend money the club has not got on players with little certainty of unearthing a gem. At the moment it seems to me we just have to get behind our team give the club time to get our players scoring although not until December as I still think that overall this group is a better starting point than we had at the start of last season. Though I was sorry to see Bowman leave personally as to me he looked like he would come good after maybe a loan out. Keep going City lets get there together! joejamestom
  • Score: 2

10:30am Wed 3 Sep 14

North Lincs Minsterman says...

We dominated the first half last night and looked a really good outfit until we reached the edge of the box. Some of you may remember that Newcastle fans referred to Lee Clarke (now manager at Birmingham) as "Jigsaw" because "he went to pieces in the box"; that sums up City at the moment.

When crosses were delivered they either went to their keeper or we had no one in there but mostly, the quality of crossing was woeful. One from Straker late on was as bad as Montrose's shot. Also our shooting is awful either off-target or weak - do they practise shooting these days?

The most disappointing player for me at the moment is Meikle. He is quick and has undoubted ball skills but there is just no end product. At times he does what all defenders hate, he runs at you with pace. But then he seems to run out of ideas - he epitomises City's problem at present, good until we reach their penalty area.

However as I have said elsewhere "we have to support what we have" and keep positive but I am now sure that we are talking about mid-table medioctity rather than promotion places. Perhaps we are keeping those goals in cold storage for Luton Town and a really good FA Cup run (this season marks 60 years since our semi-final run and my first visit to Bootham Crescent!). One must live in hope. Perhaps ben HIrst is the next Arthur Bottom!
We dominated the first half last night and looked a really good outfit until we reached the edge of the box. Some of you may remember that Newcastle fans referred to Lee Clarke (now manager at Birmingham) as "Jigsaw" because "he went to pieces in the box"; that sums up City at the moment. When crosses were delivered they either went to their keeper or we had no one in there but mostly, the quality of crossing was woeful. One from Straker late on was as bad as Montrose's shot. Also our shooting is awful either off-target or weak - do they practise shooting these days? The most disappointing player for me at the moment is Meikle. He is quick and has undoubted ball skills but there is just no end product. At times he does what all defenders hate, he runs at you with pace. But then he seems to run out of ideas - he epitomises City's problem at present, good until we reach their penalty area. However as I have said elsewhere "we have to support what we have" and keep positive but I am now sure that we are talking about mid-table medioctity rather than promotion places. Perhaps we are keeping those goals in cold storage for Luton Town and a really good FA Cup run (this season marks 60 years since our semi-final run and my first visit to Bootham Crescent!). One must live in hope. Perhaps ben HIrst is the next Arthur Bottom! North Lincs Minsterman
  • Score: 7

10:43am Wed 3 Sep 14

FortessBC says...

North Lincs Minsterman wrote:
We dominated the first half last night and looked a really good outfit until we reached the edge of the box. Some of you may remember that Newcastle fans referred to Lee Clarke (now manager at Birmingham) as "Jigsaw" because "he went to pieces in the box"; that sums up City at the moment.

When crosses were delivered they either went to their keeper or we had no one in there but mostly, the quality of crossing was woeful. One from Straker late on was as bad as Montrose's shot. Also our shooting is awful either off-target or weak - do they practise shooting these days?

The most disappointing player for me at the moment is Meikle. He is quick and has undoubted ball skills but there is just no end product. At times he does what all defenders hate, he runs at you with pace. But then he seems to run out of ideas - he epitomises City's problem at present, good until we reach their penalty area.

However as I have said elsewhere "we have to support what we have" and keep positive but I am now sure that we are talking about mid-table medioctity rather than promotion places. Perhaps we are keeping those goals in cold storage for Luton Town and a really good FA Cup run (this season marks 60 years since our semi-final run and my first visit to Bootham Crescent!). One must live in hope. Perhaps ben HIrst is the next Arthur Bottom!
I agree totally that we need to give our full support to the team & NW. It is clearly in the final third that we are falling short, our general play has been good and there are encouraging signs. Hyde needs to be given time to blossom and hopefully he will gel better with the other attacking players. NW may well use the loan market again as will many other teams, so keep believing and get behind the team
[quote][p][bold]North Lincs Minsterman[/bold] wrote: We dominated the first half last night and looked a really good outfit until we reached the edge of the box. Some of you may remember that Newcastle fans referred to Lee Clarke (now manager at Birmingham) as "Jigsaw" because "he went to pieces in the box"; that sums up City at the moment. When crosses were delivered they either went to their keeper or we had no one in there but mostly, the quality of crossing was woeful. One from Straker late on was as bad as Montrose's shot. Also our shooting is awful either off-target or weak - do they practise shooting these days? The most disappointing player for me at the moment is Meikle. He is quick and has undoubted ball skills but there is just no end product. At times he does what all defenders hate, he runs at you with pace. But then he seems to run out of ideas - he epitomises City's problem at present, good until we reach their penalty area. However as I have said elsewhere "we have to support what we have" and keep positive but I am now sure that we are talking about mid-table medioctity rather than promotion places. Perhaps we are keeping those goals in cold storage for Luton Town and a really good FA Cup run (this season marks 60 years since our semi-final run and my first visit to Bootham Crescent!). One must live in hope. Perhaps ben HIrst is the next Arthur Bottom![/p][/quote]I agree totally that we need to give our full support to the team & NW. It is clearly in the final third that we are falling short, our general play has been good and there are encouraging signs. Hyde needs to be given time to blossom and hopefully he will gel better with the other attacking players. NW may well use the loan market again as will many other teams, so keep believing and get behind the team FortessBC
  • Score: 8

11:03am Wed 3 Sep 14

OLD - HEAD says...

I did not go to Barnsley last night, and to be honest getting knocked out of the Johnstones Paint Trophy, is no big worry. But what I do worry about is our dreadful goals scored ratio. We are never going to climb the league without scoring more goals, everyone knows that. I normally never pass judgement on new signings until I have given them a fair chance to produce the goods. But I think that McCoy and Ilesanmi will be OK , Somerfield looks as though he could be a useful mid-fielder. Straker is brilliant one game and nowhere to be seen the next. Not sure about Meikle, although he has plenty of skill, he is a bit lightweight similar to Brobbel. The jury is still out on Hyde, he has not really impressed me up to now. I always prefer to see a big strong centre forward who gives defenders a rough time. Sorry but I do not see a promising young sixteen year old lad like Ben Hurst, being quite ready for Division Two just yet. This season has not gone the way that we all wanted it to go up to now. Although I am pleased to say that I didnt jump on the band-wagon with the people. who every season expect York City to have the league won by Christmas.. So its back to the drawing board for Nigel Worthington, I wish him well.
I did not go to Barnsley last night, and to be honest getting knocked out of the Johnstones Paint Trophy, is no big worry. But what I do worry about is our dreadful goals scored ratio. We are never going to climb the league without scoring more goals, everyone knows that. I normally never pass judgement on new signings until I have given them a fair chance to produce the goods. But I think that McCoy and Ilesanmi will be OK , Somerfield looks as though he could be a useful mid-fielder. Straker is brilliant one game and nowhere to be seen the next. Not sure about Meikle, although he has plenty of skill, he is a bit lightweight similar to Brobbel. The jury is still out on Hyde, he has not really impressed me up to now. I always prefer to see a big strong centre forward who gives defenders a rough time. Sorry but I do not see a promising young sixteen year old lad like Ben Hurst, being quite ready for Division Two just yet. This season has not gone the way that we all wanted it to go up to now. Although I am pleased to say that I didnt jump on the band-wagon with the people. who every season expect York City to have the league won by Christmas.. So its back to the drawing board for Nigel Worthington, I wish him well. OLD - HEAD
  • Score: 6

12:49pm Wed 3 Sep 14

bh12man says...

23rdApril1966 wrote:
Just back from Oakwell and for those that didn't make it I would like to say we were toothless, but we were blunter than that. I swear if there had been a penalty shoot out we would still failed to find the net.
Lots of possession first half in particular but nothing in the last 30 yards. So many wasted crosses. NW was very kind in his post match summary and I was astounded to hear him say that he had not even considered pairing Fletcher and Hyde. Five goals from seven matches and no wins in seven I wouldn't have thought that one was rocket science!
Highlight of night the City support. Lowlight the 'shot'. - I use the word reservedly - from Montrose late on which was plain embarrassing.
Even allowing for the fact that NW has to accentuate the positive in his post-match interviews, he must have been watching a different game from me at times. For all City's possession, particularly in the first half, we created very little. I would ask anyone of the fantastic away support to say, honestly, how often they were out of their seats thinking City were about to score? I can only remember one occasion when Coulson flashed a shot wide after cutting in during the second half at our end. Other than that, what did we reallly create?
Both wingers invariably failed to deliver anything of quality throughout the night, the crosses from the full backs looped behind the goal, or were comfortably collected by the keeper. We barely had a shot of note in the entire game. Once the game opened up in the second half (Barnsley couldn't have been any more toothless either in the 1st half) then there was only one winner when they took the lead. Some of our football was pretty at times, but with little expectation of any end product, summed up by Montrose's laughable shot late on.
I mentioned 3 games ago that I felt that someone was due a stuffing from us. It's not even remotely looked like happening since. I felt sorry for Ben Hirst, he already looks like he'd been thrown in far too soon due to the paucity of the squad. How can NW publically suggest he's not considered playing Fletcher and Hyde together?
On top of that, we've started going route one from Ingham every time he gets the ball, and with a low percentage of times that we win the ball from such tactics it's awful to watch.
It's early days and things soon change, but I'm feeling very down about how things have developed in recent games. I feel sorry for the defence - we're still not conceding many, but every goal concded is mega-scrutinised because of the lack of goals at the other end! Let's hope that things click, and/or NW dips into the loan market to kick start the season.
[quote][p][bold]23rdApril1966[/bold] wrote: Just back from Oakwell and for those that didn't make it I would like to say we were toothless, but we were blunter than that. I swear if there had been a penalty shoot out we would still failed to find the net. Lots of possession first half in particular but nothing in the last 30 yards. So many wasted crosses. NW was very kind in his post match summary and I was astounded to hear him say that he had not even considered pairing Fletcher and Hyde. Five goals from seven matches and no wins in seven I wouldn't have thought that one was rocket science! Highlight of night the City support. Lowlight the 'shot'. - I use the word reservedly - from Montrose late on which was plain embarrassing.[/p][/quote]Even allowing for the fact that NW has to accentuate the positive in his post-match interviews, he must have been watching a different game from me at times. For all City's possession, particularly in the first half, we created very little. I would ask anyone of the fantastic away support to say, honestly, how often they were out of their seats thinking City were about to score? I can only remember one occasion when Coulson flashed a shot wide after cutting in during the second half at our end. Other than that, what did we reallly create? Both wingers invariably failed to deliver anything of quality throughout the night, the crosses from the full backs looped behind the goal, or were comfortably collected by the keeper. We barely had a shot of note in the entire game. Once the game opened up in the second half (Barnsley couldn't have been any more toothless either in the 1st half) then there was only one winner when they took the lead. Some of our football was pretty at times, but with little expectation of any end product, summed up by Montrose's laughable shot late on. I mentioned 3 games ago that I felt that someone was due a stuffing from us. It's not even remotely looked like happening since. I felt sorry for Ben Hirst, he already looks like he'd been thrown in far too soon due to the paucity of the squad. How can NW publically suggest he's not considered playing Fletcher and Hyde together? On top of that, we've started going route one from Ingham every time he gets the ball, and with a low percentage of times that we win the ball from such tactics it's awful to watch. It's early days and things soon change, but I'm feeling very down about how things have developed in recent games. I feel sorry for the defence - we're still not conceding many, but every goal concded is mega-scrutinised because of the lack of goals at the other end! Let's hope that things click, and/or NW dips into the loan market to kick start the season. bh12man
  • Score: 7

1:20pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Monks Boss says...

Lets face it Barnsley have signed some very good players and are a half decent outfit.It would have been a shock to win there anyway.It would be great to have a good run in the FA cup, but the other cups could have proved an unwanted distraction for what could be a very tough season,for a very small squad.BTW 500 away fans is a fantastic following in this cup.
Lets face it Barnsley have signed some very good players and are a half decent outfit.It would have been a shock to win there anyway.It would be great to have a good run in the FA cup, but the other cups could have proved an unwanted distraction for what could be a very tough season,for a very small squad.BTW 500 away fans is a fantastic following in this cup. Monks Boss
  • Score: 7

1:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

poppyroad says...

Who does the Press's stats?
2 City corners?
- & what constitutes a shot?
Who does the Press's stats? 2 City corners? - & what constitutes a shot? poppyroad
  • Score: 4

2:39pm Wed 3 Sep 14

RooBeck says...

Just seen the edited highlights on Look North and we looked decent in the first-half and Keith Lowe and Michael Coulson had chances to score! We were undone by a decent run and good cross down the right that Andy Cole's son knocked in at the far post and then a great strike from 25/30yards out for their second - great goal but we could have been guilty here of maybe backing off a bit too much. NW needs to keep looking for the right formula in the final third but the rest of our play looks as though it's coming together and a win should be just around the corner. Well done to the travelling support - great turnout. COYR.
Just seen the edited highlights on Look North and we looked decent in the first-half and Keith Lowe and Michael Coulson had chances to score! We were undone by a decent run and good cross down the right that Andy Cole's son knocked in at the far post and then a great strike from 25/30yards out for their second - great goal but we could have been guilty here of maybe backing off a bit too much. NW needs to keep looking for the right formula in the final third but the rest of our play looks as though it's coming together and a win should be just around the corner. Well done to the travelling support - great turnout. COYR. RooBeck
  • Score: 2

4:04pm Wed 3 Sep 14

sixtyfourfive says...

PhilTopping wrote:
Well, I've stopped posting on here since the endless procession of people decided they'd insult me for daring to challenge King Nigel. Sadly, and I do mean sadly, I'm being proven right. I was kinda hoping that I'd be wrong because I've seen every York game this season and it would have made that experience much sweeter. But I don't think I'm wrong, in fact I think it's actually worse than I thought.

We're going to have one hell of a struggle this season even achieving midtable safety with our current plans. We've got a pitifully small squad that, I'd guess, only Nigel Worthington deems big enough for a very physical league. We've a number of players who have been injury prone for years and are proving so again this season. We have no creativity in midfield whatsoever. We have wingers who do the pretty stuff really well but have no delivery. We have wingers playing as centre forwards. No attacking impetus from full back. A goalkeeper who looks nervous and is trying to play like Pope and failing badly. And finally a manager who has his head so far in the sand that he's chatting with Aussies.

It's a right old mess. Last night was Cambridge for the first half and Wycombe for the second. Hyde looks like a silly purchase, I've said the first time I saw him play. He's not going to score many with our lack of creativity and he doesn't create any heat on his own. Last night all my mates were talking about Carson being the answer. Poor lad, he's already got the entire weight of the club's ambitions on his shoulders and he's not able to run properly yet. I doubt he'll be properly fit before Christmas and is going to be just as vulnerable to picking up little strains as poor Fletcher.

Last season we were patched up by the magnificence of Pope. This season, Pope-less, we're just as impotent up front but now we're busily conceding goals. I think this pre-season's recruitment will be regarded as something of a disaster come May 2015.
A disappointing start to the season no doubt but we are still unbeaten in the league and last season proved it is very much a marathon and not a sprint. I have not always been Worthington's greatest fan but I do believe he has what it takes at this level and will produce the goods over the course of the campaign. This seems also to be the view of most of the League 2 managers/football people who judge York to have recruited well and expect them to be thereabouts at the season's end. We have to be patient and thus kneejerk/over the top reactions such as this should be taken for what they are. To say that last season's magnificent run was solely down to Pope (good as he was) is an insult to such as Penn, Lowe, Coulson , McCombe etc etc - let alone the manager who contributed greatly. By the way who are these "injury prone for years" players you talk about - assuming Fletcher recovers I am only aware of Carson missing?
[quote][p][bold]PhilTopping[/bold] wrote: Well, I've stopped posting on here since the endless procession of people decided they'd insult me for daring to challenge King Nigel. Sadly, and I do mean sadly, I'm being proven right. I was kinda hoping that I'd be wrong because I've seen every York game this season and it would have made that experience much sweeter. But I don't think I'm wrong, in fact I think it's actually worse than I thought. We're going to have one hell of a struggle this season even achieving midtable safety with our current plans. We've got a pitifully small squad that, I'd guess, only Nigel Worthington deems big enough for a very physical league. We've a number of players who have been injury prone for years and are proving so again this season. We have no creativity in midfield whatsoever. We have wingers who do the pretty stuff really well but have no delivery. We have wingers playing as centre forwards. No attacking impetus from full back. A goalkeeper who looks nervous and is trying to play like Pope and failing badly. And finally a manager who has his head so far in the sand that he's chatting with Aussies. It's a right old mess. Last night was Cambridge for the first half and Wycombe for the second. Hyde looks like a silly purchase, I've said the first time I saw him play. He's not going to score many with our lack of creativity and he doesn't create any heat on his own. Last night all my mates were talking about Carson being the answer. Poor lad, he's already got the entire weight of the club's ambitions on his shoulders and he's not able to run properly yet. I doubt he'll be properly fit before Christmas and is going to be just as vulnerable to picking up little strains as poor Fletcher. Last season we were patched up by the magnificence of Pope. This season, Pope-less, we're just as impotent up front but now we're busily conceding goals. I think this pre-season's recruitment will be regarded as something of a disaster come May 2015.[/p][/quote]A disappointing start to the season no doubt but we are still unbeaten in the league and last season proved it is very much a marathon and not a sprint. I have not always been Worthington's greatest fan but I do believe he has what it takes at this level and will produce the goods over the course of the campaign. This seems also to be the view of most of the League 2 managers/football people who judge York to have recruited well and expect them to be thereabouts at the season's end. We have to be patient and thus kneejerk/over the top reactions such as this should be taken for what they are. To say that last season's magnificent run was solely down to Pope (good as he was) is an insult to such as Penn, Lowe, Coulson , McCombe etc etc - let alone the manager who contributed greatly. By the way who are these "injury prone for years" players you talk about - assuming Fletcher recovers I am only aware of Carson missing? sixtyfourfive
  • Score: 3

4:23pm Wed 3 Sep 14

dadster says...

OLD - HEAD wrote:
I did not go to Barnsley last night, and to be honest getting knocked out of the Johnstones Paint Trophy, is no big worry. But what I do worry about is our dreadful goals scored ratio. We are never going to climb the league without scoring more goals, everyone knows that. I normally never pass judgement on new signings until I have given them a fair chance to produce the goods. But I think that McCoy and Ilesanmi will be OK , Somerfield looks as though he could be a useful mid-fielder. Straker is brilliant one game and nowhere to be seen the next. Not sure about Meikle, although he has plenty of skill, he is a bit lightweight similar to Brobbel. The jury is still out on Hyde, he has not really impressed me up to now. I always prefer to see a big strong centre forward who gives defenders a rough time. Sorry but I do not see a promising young sixteen year old lad like Ben Hurst, being quite ready for Division Two just yet. This season has not gone the way that we all wanted it to go up to now. Although I am pleased to say that I didnt jump on the band-wagon with the people. who every season expect York City to have the league won by Christmas.. So its back to the drawing board for Nigel Worthington, I wish him well.
Excellent post and I agree 100% with everything you say.

Despite my concerns over the goalkeeping situation obviously our main issue is scoring goals at the moment. I do fear that Fletcher is sadly destined to be injury prone and as he is by far our best striker then we have a problem. For me Coulson should be starting on the right side in place of Miekle who flatters to deceive for me and Hyde is yet to convince although it's early days for him. Jarvis is also too injury prone which leaves young Hirst who is not ready for the responsibility yet.

With all this in mind I think NW must be seriously looking at the loan market because we really can't afford for this goal drought to continue much longer otherwise we will be playing catch-up again like last season and we all know it is highly unlikely we can go on the type of run we had since Jan again.

As some others have said I would like to see a more physical presence up front as we just don't hold the ball up enough and we have very little aerial threat apart from set-pieces through Lowe and McCombe.

It also has to be said that our goals return from central midfield is pitiful both last season and so far this season and this needs to be addressed. You really need to have your central midfielders weighing with 4-5 goals each a season to succeed and share the responsibility.

I still maintain that 10 games into the season we will be in a better position to judge and whilst it's not been a great start to the season a couple of wins over the next few games and it can quickly change but if not then it's inevitable that people will start to get very twitchy and patience will run out for some.
[quote][p][bold]OLD - HEAD[/bold] wrote: I did not go to Barnsley last night, and to be honest getting knocked out of the Johnstones Paint Trophy, is no big worry. But what I do worry about is our dreadful goals scored ratio. We are never going to climb the league without scoring more goals, everyone knows that. I normally never pass judgement on new signings until I have given them a fair chance to produce the goods. But I think that McCoy and Ilesanmi will be OK , Somerfield looks as though he could be a useful mid-fielder. Straker is brilliant one game and nowhere to be seen the next. Not sure about Meikle, although he has plenty of skill, he is a bit lightweight similar to Brobbel. The jury is still out on Hyde, he has not really impressed me up to now. I always prefer to see a big strong centre forward who gives defenders a rough time. Sorry but I do not see a promising young sixteen year old lad like Ben Hurst, being quite ready for Division Two just yet. This season has not gone the way that we all wanted it to go up to now. Although I am pleased to say that I didnt jump on the band-wagon with the people. who every season expect York City to have the league won by Christmas.. So its back to the drawing board for Nigel Worthington, I wish him well.[/p][/quote]Excellent post and I agree 100% with everything you say. Despite my concerns over the goalkeeping situation obviously our main issue is scoring goals at the moment. I do fear that Fletcher is sadly destined to be injury prone and as he is by far our best striker then we have a problem. For me Coulson should be starting on the right side in place of Miekle who flatters to deceive for me and Hyde is yet to convince although it's early days for him. Jarvis is also too injury prone which leaves young Hirst who is not ready for the responsibility yet. With all this in mind I think NW must be seriously looking at the loan market because we really can't afford for this goal drought to continue much longer otherwise we will be playing catch-up again like last season and we all know it is highly unlikely we can go on the type of run we had since Jan again. As some others have said I would like to see a more physical presence up front as we just don't hold the ball up enough and we have very little aerial threat apart from set-pieces through Lowe and McCombe. It also has to be said that our goals return from central midfield is pitiful both last season and so far this season and this needs to be addressed. You really need to have your central midfielders weighing with 4-5 goals each a season to succeed and share the responsibility. I still maintain that 10 games into the season we will be in a better position to judge and whilst it's not been a great start to the season a couple of wins over the next few games and it can quickly change but if not then it's inevitable that people will start to get very twitchy and patience will run out for some. dadster
  • Score: 5

5:34pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Kev Benson says...

poppyroad wrote:
Who does the Press's stats?
2 City corners?
- & what constitutes a shot?
You are right, it was closer to 12 corners than 2.
[quote][p][bold]poppyroad[/bold] wrote: Who does the Press's stats? 2 City corners? - & what constitutes a shot?[/p][/quote]You are right, it was closer to 12 corners than 2. Kev Benson
  • Score: 1

7:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Midlandsyorkie says...

Went last night and been to all home games bar Cambridge and overall i'm really pleased with the enthusiasm and energy of the lads. Each game has followed the same pattern though, start of really well, getting the ball down and finding options and then when it gets to the final third we overindulge and either lose possession or put in a poor ball. We just aren't creating any clear cut goalscoring opportunities despite having lots of possession and about 5 million corners per game. That said i think we have been really unlucky against Donny and Northampton and if we had that extra edge up front we would have managed to break down a shockingly negative Wycombe side last saturday. We'll get it right in the end from what i've seen. Yes it's frustrating and disappointing but the effort and endeavour is there and i'm happy at that. I just hope Lowe doesn't get injured or we could be in trouble though! lol Also agree with other poster who has concerns over Hyde. I'm not convinced myself tbh although it's early days. Looking forward to getting to Stevenage on saturday to cheer on the lads.
Went last night and been to all home games bar Cambridge and overall i'm really pleased with the enthusiasm and energy of the lads. Each game has followed the same pattern though, start of really well, getting the ball down and finding options and then when it gets to the final third we overindulge and either lose possession or put in a poor ball. We just aren't creating any clear cut goalscoring opportunities despite having lots of possession and about 5 million corners per game. That said i think we have been really unlucky against Donny and Northampton and if we had that extra edge up front we would have managed to break down a shockingly negative Wycombe side last saturday. We'll get it right in the end from what i've seen. Yes it's frustrating and disappointing but the effort and endeavour is there and i'm happy at that. I just hope Lowe doesn't get injured or we could be in trouble though! lol Also agree with other poster who has concerns over Hyde. I'm not convinced myself tbh although it's early days. Looking forward to getting to Stevenage on saturday to cheer on the lads. Midlandsyorkie
  • Score: 1

7:19pm Wed 3 Sep 14

PositiveFootball says...

We all questioned NWs wisdom when he stuck with Ben Davies. Opposing teams were targeting our left side considering it to be our weak point and there was a lot of comments saying that he was too young. Another season, another promising young player in Ben Hirst. I think we will be all singing his praises at the end of the season.

One more thing - listened to the Barnsley commentary and they were very complimentary about the City team and our fans.
We all questioned NWs wisdom when he stuck with Ben Davies. Opposing teams were targeting our left side considering it to be our weak point and there was a lot of comments saying that he was too young. Another season, another promising young player in Ben Hirst. I think we will be all singing his praises at the end of the season. One more thing - listened to the Barnsley commentary and they were very complimentary about the City team and our fans. PositiveFootball
  • Score: 1

7:52pm Wed 3 Sep 14

MUSHEMINSTERMAN says...

Fletcher and Hyde up front, Coulson on the right and Straker on the left is the obvious combination to unlock the maximum goal scoring potential. Also what happened to the full backs attacking (as per supposed instructions from Worthington) and a central midfielder running beyond the forwards from time to time wouldn't go amiss. Otherwise, as per last night, we are too predictable to achieve the right outcome in the last third of the pitch.
Fletcher and Hyde up front, Coulson on the right and Straker on the left is the obvious combination to unlock the maximum goal scoring potential. Also what happened to the full backs attacking (as per supposed instructions from Worthington) and a central midfielder running beyond the forwards from time to time wouldn't go amiss. Otherwise, as per last night, we are too predictable to achieve the right outcome in the last third of the pitch. MUSHEMINSTERMAN
  • Score: 2

9:35pm Wed 3 Sep 14

poppyroad says...

Agree with Musheminsterman :
Hyde appears to be a poacher
- so he needs to play off Fletcher (no one else seems able to lead the line.
& Hyde - on a 3 year contract - isn't going to be tossed aside after 5 league matches (In which he's played 3?)
- & though we kept put shape well in the first half against a 'toothless Barnsley' we have little interchange of wingers/ strikers or of midfielders (& I thought Summerfield put in a real shift last night) around & in the penalty area.
Let's also remember this was an away game against a team a division above - still with some Championship players & able to afford the wages of a Man City loanee.
& Yes it was frustrating cos up to that crucial penalty area we played good football.
Agree with Musheminsterman : Hyde appears to be a poacher - so he needs to play off Fletcher (no one else seems able to lead the line. & Hyde - on a 3 year contract - isn't going to be tossed aside after 5 league matches (In which he's played 3?) - & though we kept put shape well in the first half against a 'toothless Barnsley' we have little interchange of wingers/ strikers or of midfielders (& I thought Summerfield put in a real shift last night) around & in the penalty area. Let's also remember this was an away game against a team a division above - still with some Championship players & able to afford the wages of a Man City loanee. & Yes it was frustrating cos up to that crucial penalty area we played good football. poppyroad
  • Score: -2

2:16pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Boyer for England says...

Did anyone else notice that Fletcher ducked to get out of the way of Lowes close range shot ? Any contact whatsoever and the ball would have been in the net ( he wasn't offside btw )
Did anyone else notice that Fletcher ducked to get out of the way of Lowes close range shot ? Any contact whatsoever and the ball would have been in the net ( he wasn't offside btw ) Boyer for England
  • Score: 0
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