New bridge may become part of Piccadilly office block revamp

York Press: Ryedale House from Castle Mills Bridge Ryedale House from Castle Mills Bridge

A NEW bridge could be built over one of York’s rivers as part of plans to redevelop an unloved office block and regenerate a city-centre street.

City of York Council and developers are looking at linking Piccadilly with the Eye of York through a River Foss pedestrian and cycle crossing, while proposals for refurbishing nearby Ryedale House – which may become riverside apartments - are close to being unveiled.

The council said “positive” talks have been held about both potential projects. Recent Piccadilly schemes have seen work begin on converting the White Swan Hotel into apartments and shops, while the derelict Reynard's Garage site is set to become a hotel and the Banana Warehouse building and two neighbouring shops will be replaced by 37 apartments and two new stores.

A six-monthly council update on major development projects said a planning application for "residential reuse” and redesign of Ryedale House is expected shortly, and "creative discussions" have taken place about a new bridge over the Foss to Castle car park.

It said: "This, together with planned improvements to the streets and junctions as part of the Reinvigorate York initiative, will contribute well to the regeneration of the area."

Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for planning, said: “We are having positive discussions around ensuring any redevelopment carefully addresses the impact of Ryedale House on the Eye of York, in the vicinity of the Castle Museum and Clifford's Tower.

"These discussions include the welcome possibility of improved pedestrian and cycle linkages away from the inner ring road”.

A council spokeswoman said the authority was in formal talks with a developer and "details are still subject to negotiations”.

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10:22am Mon 31 Mar 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

... ah, but will we be able to use it?
... ah, but will we be able to use it? Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -8

10:22am Mon 31 Mar 14

smudge2 says...

About time .This building like the white swan had been left as an eyesore to long.Piccadily Plaza opposite shows what can be done to bring people back into the town centre.Rydale house has also got the all important parking spaces on site as well..
About time .This building like the white swan had been left as an eyesore to long.Piccadily Plaza opposite shows what can be done to bring people back into the town centre.Rydale house has also got the all important parking spaces on site as well.. smudge2
  • Score: 11

10:31am Mon 31 Mar 14

asd says...

Seems like a great idea to me
Seems like a great idea to me asd
  • Score: 10

10:43am Mon 31 Mar 14

matroom says...

How about building a foot bridge next to lendal bridge aswell, and then, if by magic, re-open lendal ???
How about building a foot bridge next to lendal bridge aswell, and then, if by magic, re-open lendal ??? matroom
  • Score: -9

10:54am Mon 31 Mar 14

piaggio1 says...

Oh god..merret.s involved.....
Disaster written all over it..
Oh god..merret.s involved..... Disaster written all over it.. piaggio1
  • Score: -11

11:06am Mon 31 Mar 14

JHardacre says...

How about a new road bridge, say, next to Lendal bridge. This would not only make the inner 'ring road' into a ring but would mean that CYC could keep Lendal bridge closed. It's a win-win situation.
How about a new road bridge, say, next to Lendal bridge. This would not only make the inner 'ring road' into a ring but would mean that CYC could keep Lendal bridge closed. It's a win-win situation. JHardacre
  • Score: -32

11:24am Mon 31 Mar 14

SteveSCA says...

The bridge is a good idea but Ryedale House should be flattened. It's the second-worst eyesore in York after Stonebow House (especially in such a historic location where it spoils the vista of Clifford's Tower, etc).
The bridge is a good idea but Ryedale House should be flattened. It's the second-worst eyesore in York after Stonebow House (especially in such a historic location where it spoils the vista of Clifford's Tower, etc). SteveSCA
  • Score: -16

11:41am Mon 31 Mar 14

akaroa says...

Picadilly will never be anything more than a road into town. Forget shops, convert the whole area to accommodation, Take the top floors off the tall office blocks and convert to flats.
Picadilly will never be anything more than a road into town. Forget shops, convert the whole area to accommodation, Take the top floors off the tall office blocks and convert to flats. akaroa
  • Score: -52

11:46am Mon 31 Mar 14

Kevin Turvey says...

So yet again the cycle eco communists have had a deluded vision!

Oh dear.
first they close a working road bridge to traffic then they want to build another bridge with a pedestrian and cycle only bridge!

Don't remove existing facilities and replace with less.
These people are wrecking this city on a systematic basis.

Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT
So yet again the cycle eco communists have had a deluded vision! Oh dear. first they close a working road bridge to traffic then they want to build another bridge with a pedestrian and cycle only bridge! Don't remove existing facilities and replace with less. These people are wrecking this city on a systematic basis. Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Alexander, Ferret & Simply Wrong OUT OUT OUT Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -33

11:58am Mon 31 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

The bridge will go from nowhere to nowhere and (I am sorry if this sounds harsh) will be another chance for people to fall into the Foss. Demolish Ryedale House and build something low rise there.
Somebody referred to "Piccadilly Plaza" - what is that? Surely not the building next to Stubb's where the ground floor is empty 4 years after it was built?
The bridge will go from nowhere to nowhere and (I am sorry if this sounds harsh) will be another chance for people to fall into the Foss. Demolish Ryedale House and build something low rise there. Somebody referred to "Piccadilly Plaza" - what is that? Surely not the building next to Stubb's where the ground floor is empty 4 years after it was built? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -56

1:24pm Mon 31 Mar 14

yorkandproud says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
The bridge will go from nowhere to nowhere and (I am sorry if this sounds harsh) will be another chance for people to fall into the Foss. Demolish Ryedale House and build something low rise there.
Somebody referred to "Piccadilly Plaza" - what is that? Surely not the building next to Stubb's where the ground floor is empty 4 years after it was built?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccadilly Plaza is the red brick development next to the hotel 53. The proposed bridge will connect Piccadilly and the Eye of York area, and Castle Museum. Hardly "nowhere to nowhere" , for visitors and residents alike.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: The bridge will go from nowhere to nowhere and (I am sorry if this sounds harsh) will be another chance for people to fall into the Foss. Demolish Ryedale House and build something low rise there. Somebody referred to "Piccadilly Plaza" - what is that? Surely not the building next to Stubb's where the ground floor is empty 4 years after it was built?[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccadilly Plaza is the red brick development next to the hotel 53. The proposed bridge will connect Piccadilly and the Eye of York area, and Castle Museum. Hardly "nowhere to nowhere" , for visitors and residents alike. yorkandproud
  • Score: -33

1:42pm Mon 31 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
... ah, but will we be able to use it?
Only if you are a bike riding, sandal wearing, beard donning, lentil eating, Stonehenge worshiping, dream catcher hanging, meditating loon
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: ... ah, but will we be able to use it?[/p][/quote]Only if you are a bike riding, sandal wearing, beard donning, lentil eating, Stonehenge worshiping, dream catcher hanging, meditating loon YorkPatrol
  • Score: -20

2:49pm Mon 31 Mar 14

bravo whisky says...

So Reynards is to become a Hotel after all, as though York has not got enough already.
So Reynards is to become a Hotel after all, as though York has not got enough already. bravo whisky
  • Score: -20

4:10pm Mon 31 Mar 14

york_chap says...

smudge 2 says...
..."Rydale house has also got the all important parking spaces on site as well.."

I'm pretty sure Mr Merrett's name cropped up somewhere in the article. As such, I think you'll find these will soon become bicycle, tricycle and unicycle parking spaces. Remember - everybody MUST cycle everywhere because motorised vehicles (except buses, taxis and council vehicles of course) are evil killers; has City of York Council taught you nothing?
smudge 2 says... ..."Rydale house has also got the all important parking spaces on site as well.." I'm pretty sure Mr Merrett's name cropped up somewhere in the article. As such, I think you'll find these will soon become bicycle, tricycle and unicycle parking spaces. Remember - everybody MUST cycle everywhere because motorised vehicles (except buses, taxis and council vehicles of course) are evil killers; has City of York Council taught you nothing? york_chap
  • Score: -8

4:47pm Mon 31 Mar 14

smudge2 says...

york_chap wrote:
smudge 2 says...
..."Rydale house has also got the all important parking spaces on site as well.."

I'm pretty sure Mr Merrett's name cropped up somewhere in the article. As such, I think you'll find these will soon become bicycle, tricycle and unicycle parking spaces. Remember - everybody MUST cycle everywhere because motorised vehicles (except buses, taxis and council vehicles of course) are evil killers; has City of York Council taught you nothing?
Piccadilly plaza opposite has a reserved car space for every property opposite .
[quote][p][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: smudge 2 says... ..."Rydale house has also got the all important parking spaces on site as well.." I'm pretty sure Mr Merrett's name cropped up somewhere in the article. As such, I think you'll find these will soon become bicycle, tricycle and unicycle parking spaces. Remember - everybody MUST cycle everywhere because motorised vehicles (except buses, taxis and council vehicles of course) are evil killers; has City of York Council taught you nothing?[/p][/quote]Piccadilly plaza opposite has a reserved car space for every property opposite . smudge2
  • Score: -5

5:13pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
The bridge will go from nowhere to nowhere and (I am sorry if this sounds harsh) will be another chance for people to fall into the Foss. Demolish Ryedale House and build something low rise there.
Somebody referred to "Piccadilly Plaza" - what is that? Surely not the building next to Stubb's where the ground floor is empty 4 years after it was built?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccadilly Plaza is the red brick development next to the hotel 53. The proposed bridge will connect Piccadilly and the Eye of York area, and Castle Museum. Hardly "nowhere to nowhere" , for visitors and residents alike.
I'm happy to correct you, in the sense that "nowhere" might be regarded as "somewhere which the internet cannot locate" so when I did a Search for "York Piccadilly Plaza" the first 2 pages yielded no mention. It does exist but it appears to be a block of flats. I would love to know how the people who live there are so important as to warrant a couple of million pounds of taxpayers money spent on them to save them the inconvenience of walking round the side of the Coppergate centre a few yards down the road?
I would rather see the money spent on levelling Stonebow House.
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: The bridge will go from nowhere to nowhere and (I am sorry if this sounds harsh) will be another chance for people to fall into the Foss. Demolish Ryedale House and build something low rise there. Somebody referred to "Piccadilly Plaza" - what is that? Surely not the building next to Stubb's where the ground floor is empty 4 years after it was built?[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccadilly Plaza is the red brick development next to the hotel 53. The proposed bridge will connect Piccadilly and the Eye of York area, and Castle Museum. Hardly "nowhere to nowhere" , for visitors and residents alike.[/p][/quote]I'm happy to correct you, in the sense that "nowhere" might be regarded as "somewhere which the internet cannot locate" so when I did a Search for "York Piccadilly Plaza" the first 2 pages yielded no mention. It does exist but it appears to be a block of flats. I would love to know how the people who live there are so important as to warrant a couple of million pounds of taxpayers money spent on them to save them the inconvenience of walking round the side of the Coppergate centre a few yards down the road? I would rather see the money spent on levelling Stonebow House. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -4

5:40pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Dave Ruddock says...

ARE MERRETT AND ALEXANDER THE ANSWER TI "BRICK WALLS" AS THEY DONT LISTEN. There is a bridge with walkway at Merchant Adventures Hall, copperergate centre, so merrett and muppets where they thinking on the other bridge., Rydale building as flat what , with ultra thin ways, those that have worked in there will know
Ballsed up Lendal noe merrett as member for planning , cant plan his own wallet
ARE MERRETT AND ALEXANDER THE ANSWER TI "BRICK WALLS" AS THEY DONT LISTEN. There is a bridge with walkway at Merchant Adventures Hall, copperergate centre, so merrett and muppets where they thinking on the other bridge., Rydale building as flat what , with ultra thin ways, those that have worked in there will know Ballsed up Lendal noe merrett as member for planning , cant plan his own wallet Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -14

5:41pm Mon 31 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

A cycle and pedestrian bridge across the Foss has been on the cards for several years, awaiting a significant developer contribution. It was part of the Development Brief for Coppergate 1 & 2 but both these schemes fell through. That takes us back to the LibDem era and maybe the previous Labour one as well.
Rather going from "nowhere to nowhere" as some claim, it will offer a direct green link into Piccadilly from the Riverside. That will help cycle commuters and shoppers avoid a lengthy detour via Skeldergate Bridge and Fishergate, or via Coppergate.
Creating artificial short cuts for cyclists is a sensible strategy, as it will give this travel option a competitive time saving edge for journeys from York's suburbs.
If the cost comes from nearby developers, then it will be ringfenced for that purpose and cannot be used for any of the other daft ideas that have been suggested.
A cycle and pedestrian bridge across the Foss has been on the cards for several years, awaiting a significant developer contribution. It was part of the Development Brief for Coppergate 1 & 2 but both these schemes fell through. That takes us back to the LibDem era and maybe the previous Labour one as well. Rather going from "nowhere to nowhere" as some claim, it will offer a direct green link into Piccadilly from the Riverside. That will help cycle commuters and shoppers avoid a lengthy detour via Skeldergate Bridge and Fishergate, or via Coppergate. Creating artificial short cuts for cyclists is a sensible strategy, as it will give this travel option a competitive time saving edge for journeys from York's suburbs. If the cost comes from nearby developers, then it will be ringfenced for that purpose and cannot be used for any of the other daft ideas that have been suggested. pedalling paul
  • Score: 19

6:15pm Mon 31 Mar 14

yorkandproud says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
The bridge will go from nowhere to nowhere and (I am sorry if this sounds harsh) will be another chance for people to fall into the Foss. Demolish Ryedale House and build something low rise there.
Somebody referred to "Piccadilly Plaza" - what is that? Surely not the building next to Stubb's where the ground floor is empty 4 years after it was built?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccadilly Plaza is the red brick development next to the hotel 53. The proposed bridge will connect Piccadilly and the Eye of York area, and Castle Museum. Hardly "nowhere to nowhere" , for visitors and residents alike.
I'm happy to correct you, in the sense that "nowhere" might be regarded as "somewhere which the internet cannot locate" so when I did a Search for "York Piccadilly Plaza" the first 2 pages yielded no mention. It does exist but it appears to be a block of flats. I would love to know how the people who live there are so important as to warrant a couple of million pounds of taxpayers money spent on them to save them the inconvenience of walking round the side of the Coppergate centre a few yards down the road?
I would rather see the money spent on levelling Stonebow House.
My apologies. If the internet says it isn't there, then it isn't there.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: The bridge will go from nowhere to nowhere and (I am sorry if this sounds harsh) will be another chance for people to fall into the Foss. Demolish Ryedale House and build something low rise there. Somebody referred to "Piccadilly Plaza" - what is that? Surely not the building next to Stubb's where the ground floor is empty 4 years after it was built?[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccadilly Plaza is the red brick development next to the hotel 53. The proposed bridge will connect Piccadilly and the Eye of York area, and Castle Museum. Hardly "nowhere to nowhere" , for visitors and residents alike.[/p][/quote]I'm happy to correct you, in the sense that "nowhere" might be regarded as "somewhere which the internet cannot locate" so when I did a Search for "York Piccadilly Plaza" the first 2 pages yielded no mention. It does exist but it appears to be a block of flats. I would love to know how the people who live there are so important as to warrant a couple of million pounds of taxpayers money spent on them to save them the inconvenience of walking round the side of the Coppergate centre a few yards down the road? I would rather see the money spent on levelling Stonebow House.[/p][/quote]My apologies. If the internet says it isn't there, then it isn't there. yorkandproud
  • Score: -26

7:37pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
The bridge will go from nowhere to nowhere and (I am sorry if this sounds harsh) will be another chance for people to fall into the Foss. Demolish Ryedale House and build something low rise there.
Somebody referred to "Piccadilly Plaza" - what is that? Surely not the building next to Stubb's where the ground floor is empty 4 years after it was built?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccadilly Plaza is the red brick development next to the hotel 53. The proposed bridge will connect Piccadilly and the Eye of York area, and Castle Museum. Hardly "nowhere to nowhere" , for visitors and residents alike.
I'm happy to correct you, in the sense that "nowhere" might be regarded as "somewhere which the internet cannot locate" so when I did a Search for "York Piccadilly Plaza" the first 2 pages yielded no mention. It does exist but it appears to be a block of flats. I would love to know how the people who live there are so important as to warrant a couple of million pounds of taxpayers money spent on them to save them the inconvenience of walking round the side of the Coppergate centre a few yards down the road?
I would rather see the money spent on levelling Stonebow House.
My apologies. If the internet says it isn't there, then it isn't there.
No need to apologise. My point is that Piccadilly Plaza is not "somewhere" somebody would really want to go unless they lived there. It certainly doesn't warrant a footbridge which smacks of yet another "vanity project".
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: The bridge will go from nowhere to nowhere and (I am sorry if this sounds harsh) will be another chance for people to fall into the Foss. Demolish Ryedale House and build something low rise there. Somebody referred to "Piccadilly Plaza" - what is that? Surely not the building next to Stubb's where the ground floor is empty 4 years after it was built?[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccadilly Plaza is the red brick development next to the hotel 53. The proposed bridge will connect Piccadilly and the Eye of York area, and Castle Museum. Hardly "nowhere to nowhere" , for visitors and residents alike.[/p][/quote]I'm happy to correct you, in the sense that "nowhere" might be regarded as "somewhere which the internet cannot locate" so when I did a Search for "York Piccadilly Plaza" the first 2 pages yielded no mention. It does exist but it appears to be a block of flats. I would love to know how the people who live there are so important as to warrant a couple of million pounds of taxpayers money spent on them to save them the inconvenience of walking round the side of the Coppergate centre a few yards down the road? I would rather see the money spent on levelling Stonebow House.[/p][/quote]My apologies. If the internet says it isn't there, then it isn't there.[/p][/quote]No need to apologise. My point is that Piccadilly Plaza is not "somewhere" somebody would really want to go unless they lived there. It certainly doesn't warrant a footbridge which smacks of yet another "vanity project". Pinza-C55
  • Score: -21

8:17pm Mon 31 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

These muppets want to close one bridge and build another.... you couldn't make it up.
These muppets want to close one bridge and build another.... you couldn't make it up. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -21

8:35pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Daname says...

Ryedale House should be demolished. Along with Stonebow House and Holgate Villa. They are a blot on the landscape of our beautiful city. And as for bridges, they were built for a reason - we need to cross the river to go about our daily business, whether on foot, on a bike or in a car. Building a new bridge solely for cyclists and pedestrians just shows how anti-car this council is. They need to drag themselves into the 21st century. The car is here to stay, whether the council like it or not.
Ryedale House should be demolished. Along with Stonebow House and Holgate Villa. They are a blot on the landscape of our beautiful city. And as for bridges, they were built for a reason - we need to cross the river to go about our daily business, whether on foot, on a bike or in a car. Building a new bridge solely for cyclists and pedestrians just shows how anti-car this council is. They need to drag themselves into the 21st century. The car is here to stay, whether the council like it or not. Daname
  • Score: -18

9:20pm Mon 31 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

It's already been said that there is a foot bridge in that area, so why another one.

As for Lendal, the opposition groups have been clear that they oppose it's current restrictions and therefore must rescind any permanance that is applied from May 6th.
It's already been said that there is a foot bridge in that area, so why another one. As for Lendal, the opposition groups have been clear that they oppose it's current restrictions and therefore must rescind any permanance that is applied from May 6th. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -9

5:37am Tue 1 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

I can see the point in a bridge over the foss in that area... if you follow the road rules to the letter and find yourself on Tower Street having come from fulford (the riverside route) or bishopthorpe road, there is technically no way of getting to Piccadilly and Pavement without going against the 'no right turn' prohibiton at the end of Coppergate, or going along the busy dual carriageway Castle Mills Bridge... likewise if you are at that back end of Piccadilly and want to get to Bishopthorpe Road, you either have to go right the way around the Fishergate Gyratory (a lengthy diversion on a bike, plus several lanes of traffic can be intmidating to some cyclists), or you have to attempt to cross 4 lanes of traffic using the gap in the central reservation near the exit from Piccadilly... (if you are on tower street wanting to get to Bishopthorpe Road, you can use the riverside route to go under Skeldergate Bridge, then use the exit from the car park to get onto the road facing the right way for the bridge).

BUT... refurbishing Ryedale House? I don't see a point in that. Let's face it, there are other blocks of apartments in York which are still all or partly empty; plus Roman House in Rougier Street is about to be converted to apartments, thus adding more supply to not really much demand... but most importantly, Ryedale House offers no architectural merit to York whatsoever. If it was converted to apartments, the existing car park would only cater for about 30% of the residents in the block and so other residents would park on the road thereby creating congestion for buses trying to go along there or drop off passengers. It can be compared to Stonebow House - but lets remember Stonebow House has a car park, shops, offices, and clubs all in one building... all Ryedale House offers is 7 floors of bland empty office space with leaking windows, poor quality toilets, and dodgy lifts (one of which takes ages for the doors to unlock, the second opens the doors about a foot from floor level).

At the very most, the building should be converted for use by university students (good access for Unibus service to the uni campus, near to pubs and clubs, and just off inner ring road for when it comes to parents picking up their kids and all their possessions in a car)... but otherwise just flatten this piece of monotony and build something worthwhile in its place.
I can see the point in a bridge over the foss in that area... if you follow the road rules to the letter and find yourself on Tower Street having come from fulford (the riverside route) or bishopthorpe road, there is technically no way of getting to Piccadilly and Pavement without going against the 'no right turn' prohibiton at the end of Coppergate, or going along the busy dual carriageway Castle Mills Bridge... likewise if you are at that back end of Piccadilly and want to get to Bishopthorpe Road, you either have to go right the way around the Fishergate Gyratory (a lengthy diversion on a bike, plus several lanes of traffic can be intmidating to some cyclists), or you have to attempt to cross 4 lanes of traffic using the gap in the central reservation near the exit from Piccadilly... (if you are on tower street wanting to get to Bishopthorpe Road, you can use the riverside route to go under Skeldergate Bridge, then use the exit from the car park to get onto the road facing the right way for the bridge). BUT... refurbishing Ryedale House? I don't see a point in that. Let's face it, there are other blocks of apartments in York which are still all or partly empty; plus Roman House in Rougier Street is about to be converted to apartments, thus adding more supply to not really much demand... but most importantly, Ryedale House offers no architectural merit to York whatsoever. If it was converted to apartments, the existing car park would only cater for about 30% of the residents in the block and so other residents would park on the road thereby creating congestion for buses trying to go along there or drop off passengers. It can be compared to Stonebow House - but lets remember Stonebow House has a car park, shops, offices, and clubs all in one building... all Ryedale House offers is 7 floors of bland empty office space with leaking windows, poor quality toilets, and dodgy lifts (one of which takes ages for the doors to unlock, the second opens the doors about a foot from floor level). At the very most, the building should be converted for use by university students (good access for Unibus service to the uni campus, near to pubs and clubs, and just off inner ring road for when it comes to parents picking up their kids and all their possessions in a car)... but otherwise just flatten this piece of monotony and build something worthwhile in its place. Magicman!
  • Score: 2

7:20am Tue 1 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Daname wrote:
Ryedale House should be demolished. Along with Stonebow House and Holgate Villa. They are a blot on the landscape of our beautiful city. And as for bridges, they were built for a reason - we need to cross the river to go about our daily business, whether on foot, on a bike or in a car. Building a new bridge solely for cyclists and pedestrians just shows how anti-car this council is. They need to drag themselves into the 21st century. The car is here to stay, whether the council like it or not.
The car cannot be uninvented any more than the atom bomb. But use of both can and has been tamed. Cars are good servants but in some circumstances are bad masters. Be prepared like many sensible residents aready do, to car share or use alternative choices for some - not necessarily all - your journeys. You know very well what the alternative long term consequences will be for our City.
[quote][p][bold]Daname[/bold] wrote: Ryedale House should be demolished. Along with Stonebow House and Holgate Villa. They are a blot on the landscape of our beautiful city. And as for bridges, they were built for a reason - we need to cross the river to go about our daily business, whether on foot, on a bike or in a car. Building a new bridge solely for cyclists and pedestrians just shows how anti-car this council is. They need to drag themselves into the 21st century. The car is here to stay, whether the council like it or not.[/p][/quote]The car cannot be uninvented any more than the atom bomb. But use of both can and has been tamed. Cars are good servants but in some circumstances are bad masters. Be prepared like many sensible residents aready do, to car share or use alternative choices for some - not necessarily all - your journeys. You know very well what the alternative long term consequences will be for our City. pedalling paul
  • Score: 15

8:04am Tue 1 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Daname wrote: Ryedale House should be demolished. Along with Stonebow House and Holgate Villa. They are a blot on the landscape of our beautiful city. And as for bridges, they were built for a reason - we need to cross the river to go about our daily business, whether on foot, on a bike or in a car. Building a new bridge solely for cyclists and pedestrians just shows how anti-car this council is. They need to drag themselves into the 21st century. The car is here to stay, whether the council like it or not.
The car cannot be uninvented any more than the atom bomb. But use of both can and has been tamed. Cars are good servants but in some circumstances are bad masters. Be prepared like many sensible residents aready do, to car share or use alternative choices for some - not necessarily all - your journeys. You know very well what the alternative long term consequences will be for our City.
Get your head from out of your a........ you patronising idiot
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daname[/bold] wrote: Ryedale House should be demolished. Along with Stonebow House and Holgate Villa. They are a blot on the landscape of our beautiful city. And as for bridges, they were built for a reason - we need to cross the river to go about our daily business, whether on foot, on a bike or in a car. Building a new bridge solely for cyclists and pedestrians just shows how anti-car this council is. They need to drag themselves into the 21st century. The car is here to stay, whether the council like it or not.[/p][/quote]The car cannot be uninvented any more than the atom bomb. But use of both can and has been tamed. Cars are good servants but in some circumstances are bad masters. Be prepared like many sensible residents aready do, to car share or use alternative choices for some - not necessarily all - your journeys. You know very well what the alternative long term consequences will be for our City.[/p][/quote]Get your head from out of your a........ you patronising idiot YorkPatrol
  • Score: -15

10:41am Tue 1 Apr 14

york_chap says...

A footbridge would be quite nice, if it's done at a reasonable cost. Cyclists don't need any more encouragement to be using pedestrian areas - make them use the roads.
A footbridge would be quite nice, if it's done at a reasonable cost. Cyclists don't need any more encouragement to be using pedestrian areas - make them use the roads. york_chap
  • Score: 4

10:55am Tue 1 Apr 14

Major Bloodnok says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
... ah, but will we be able to use it?
Sounds .....Like Bridge over Troubled Water to me.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: ... ah, but will we be able to use it?[/p][/quote]Sounds .....Like Bridge over Troubled Water to me. Major Bloodnok
  • Score: -1

1:25pm Tue 1 Apr 14

sniper 9964 says...

More cash for CyC cows
More cash for CyC cows sniper 9964
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2:56pm Tue 1 Apr 14

YorkCityLuke says...

pedalling paul wrote:
A cycle and pedestrian bridge across the Foss has been on the cards for several years, awaiting a significant developer contribution. It was part of the Development Brief for Coppergate 1 & 2 but both these schemes fell through. That takes us back to the LibDem era and maybe the previous Labour one as well.
Rather going from "nowhere to nowhere" as some claim, it will offer a direct green link into Piccadilly from the Riverside. That will help cycle commuters and shoppers avoid a lengthy detour via Skeldergate Bridge and Fishergate, or via Coppergate.
Creating artificial short cuts for cyclists is a sensible strategy, as it will give this travel option a competitive time saving edge for journeys from York's suburbs.
If the cost comes from nearby developers, then it will be ringfenced for that purpose and cannot be used for any of the other daft ideas that have been suggested.
Agreed.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: A cycle and pedestrian bridge across the Foss has been on the cards for several years, awaiting a significant developer contribution. It was part of the Development Brief for Coppergate 1 & 2 but both these schemes fell through. That takes us back to the LibDem era and maybe the previous Labour one as well. Rather going from "nowhere to nowhere" as some claim, it will offer a direct green link into Piccadilly from the Riverside. That will help cycle commuters and shoppers avoid a lengthy detour via Skeldergate Bridge and Fishergate, or via Coppergate. Creating artificial short cuts for cyclists is a sensible strategy, as it will give this travel option a competitive time saving edge for journeys from York's suburbs. If the cost comes from nearby developers, then it will be ringfenced for that purpose and cannot be used for any of the other daft ideas that have been suggested.[/p][/quote]Agreed. YorkCityLuke
  • Score: -2

8:34pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

york_chap wrote:
A footbridge would be quite nice, if it's done at a reasonable cost. Cyclists don't need any more encouragement to be using pedestrian areas - make them use the roads.
How much would you regard as "reasonable"? £1 million, £2 million?
[quote][p][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: A footbridge would be quite nice, if it's done at a reasonable cost. Cyclists don't need any more encouragement to be using pedestrian areas - make them use the roads.[/p][/quote]How much would you regard as "reasonable"? £1 million, £2 million? Pinza-C55
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