Wind turbine hope for York

York Press: Wind turbine hope for York Wind turbine hope for York

RESIDENTS could benefit from the creation of a new wind turbine near York, a local group have claimed.

At a number of sites around the UK, local communities have gathered to build a wind turbine and benefit from the sale of renewable energy. Local organisation York Community Energy wants to hear from interested members of the public.

As reported in The Press last week, the group has already spoken to City of York Council’s planning department, and confirmed a wind turbine on Murton Moor would not require a full Environmental Impact Assessment, although detailed technical reports would still be required if a planning application were submitted.

Group member Richard Lane, said: “This is about community democracy as much as it is about clean energy. This plan cannot work unless there is community support.

“The response we’ve had has been mixed but generally positive – broadly in line with national polls which consistently show around 60 to 70 per cent support for onshore wind turbines. We’re keen to hear from anyone interested, whether they have concerns or want to get involved.”

The Murton Moor site already identified by the group could see a turbine 61.5m high with 38m blades – taller than York Minster.

It could create enough energy to power 1,200 homes and bring £130,000 a year to the local community.

To find out more, visit yorkcommunityenergy.org.uk or email yorkcommunityenergy@gmail.com

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10:15am Thu 20 Feb 14

Shouter says...

Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?
Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power? Shouter

10:29am Thu 20 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

The number of homes a turbine will "power" is always stated, but in a rather misleading way, in this case 1200. To power any home, the supply needs to be constant and reliable, and it is neither for or against turbines to say they cannot provide this.

How about, "When able to feed into the grid, this turbine will provide power equivalent to the demand of 1200 homes".

The output from wind and solar is always a marginal supply for the obvious reason that maximum demand in the UK is likely to be at a time when the daylight hours are short, the sun is weak, and wind speeds too high for turbine operation are common.
The number of homes a turbine will "power" is always stated, but in a rather misleading way, in this case 1200. To power any home, the supply needs to be constant and reliable, and it is neither for or against turbines to say they cannot provide this. How about, "When able to feed into the grid, this turbine will provide power equivalent to the demand of 1200 homes". The output from wind and solar is always a marginal supply for the obvious reason that maximum demand in the UK is likely to be at a time when the daylight hours are short, the sun is weak, and wind speeds too high for turbine operation are common. Mulgrave

10:34am Thu 20 Feb 14

Rankled says...

“The response we’ve had has been mixed but generally positive – broadly in line with national polls which consistently show around 60 to 70 per cent support for onshore wind turbines"

Generally
Broadly
60-70

Yeah right. Please do get rid of the whole onshore wind turbine industry and pump the money into offshore and nuclear solutions. I find it impossible to believe that people genuinely want the countryside riddled with these horrible things. If you want to support sustainable solutions fine, you are very welcome to, just don't inflict them on the rest of us.

Sincerely,
Nimby of York
“The response we’ve had has been mixed but generally positive – broadly in line with national polls which consistently show around 60 to 70 per cent support for onshore wind turbines" Generally Broadly 60-70 Yeah right. Please do get rid of the whole onshore wind turbine industry and pump the money into offshore and nuclear solutions. I find it impossible to believe that people genuinely want the countryside riddled with these horrible things. If you want to support sustainable solutions fine, you are very welcome to, just don't inflict them on the rest of us. Sincerely, Nimby of York Rankled

10:49am Thu 20 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Shouter wrote:
Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?
Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house.

How will tidal power work on our shores?
[quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?[/p][/quote]Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores? Archiebold the 1st

10:54am Thu 20 Feb 14

workshopper says...

The headline should be "Wind Turbine Nightmare for York". A wind farm on the Vale of York would not provide anywhere near enough wind power to justify the cost and the environmental damage, not to mention property blight. The average wind speed here is simply is not high enough. The only reason companies want to get involved is to scam money from the Government under crazy Green Energy schemes.
The headline should be "Wind Turbine Nightmare for York". A wind farm on the Vale of York would not provide anywhere near enough wind power to justify the cost and the environmental damage, not to mention property blight. The average wind speed here is simply is not high enough. The only reason companies want to get involved is to scam money from the Government under crazy Green Energy schemes. workshopper

10:59am Thu 20 Feb 14

BL2 says...

Rankled wrote:
“The response we’ve had has been mixed but generally positive – broadly in line with national polls which consistently show around 60 to 70 per cent support for onshore wind turbines"

Generally
Broadly
60-70

Yeah right. Please do get rid of the whole onshore wind turbine industry and pump the money into offshore and nuclear solutions. I find it impossible to believe that people genuinely want the countryside riddled with these horrible things. If you want to support sustainable solutions fine, you are very welcome to, just don't inflict them on the rest of us.

Sincerely,
Nimby of York
I would be more than happy to see lots of them in appropriate places. I enjoy seeing them and would be happy to have them nearby if they are providing my energy! Just wait until the energy cuts start with the closure of more power stations and no replacement in sight.
[quote][p][bold]Rankled[/bold] wrote: “The response we’ve had has been mixed but generally positive – broadly in line with national polls which consistently show around 60 to 70 per cent support for onshore wind turbines" Generally Broadly 60-70 Yeah right. Please do get rid of the whole onshore wind turbine industry and pump the money into offshore and nuclear solutions. I find it impossible to believe that people genuinely want the countryside riddled with these horrible things. If you want to support sustainable solutions fine, you are very welcome to, just don't inflict them on the rest of us. Sincerely, Nimby of York[/p][/quote]I would be more than happy to see lots of them in appropriate places. I enjoy seeing them and would be happy to have them nearby if they are providing my energy! Just wait until the energy cuts start with the closure of more power stations and no replacement in sight. BL2

11:05am Thu 20 Feb 14

Shouter says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Shouter wrote:
Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?
Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house.

How will tidal power work on our shores?
Well if what you say is true, how come they can be heard quite clearly from two miles away? The Humber Estuary would be ideal for tidal power. At least the tide is guaranteed, whereas wind is not. It is either too windy or not windy enough. These hideous monstrostities simply do not work efficiently or properly. I suggest you move close to a windfarm and see how you like it!
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?[/p][/quote]Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?[/p][/quote]Well if what you say is true, how come they can be heard quite clearly from two miles away? The Humber Estuary would be ideal for tidal power. At least the tide is guaranteed, whereas wind is not. It is either too windy or not windy enough. These hideous monstrostities simply do not work efficiently or properly. I suggest you move close to a windfarm and see how you like it! Shouter

11:30am Thu 20 Feb 14

The Grim Reaper says...

Wind turbines are a very good idea - for a small farm, or a factory. On a commercial scale they are worse than useless. Everyone quotes our carbon footprint - the carbon footprint of just one turbine far exceeds the benefit of the little power it produces. They are only useful during windy periods. If we have no wind, we MUST revert to the tried and tested methods of generation - coal, gas and nuclear. The promise of untold riches at the end of the wind power rainbow are pure fantasy.
Wind turbines are a very good idea - for a small farm, or a factory. On a commercial scale they are worse than useless. Everyone quotes our carbon footprint - the carbon footprint of just one turbine far exceeds the benefit of the little power it produces. They are only useful during windy periods. If we have no wind, we MUST revert to the tried and tested methods of generation - coal, gas and nuclear. The promise of untold riches at the end of the wind power rainbow are pure fantasy. The Grim Reaper

11:43am Thu 20 Feb 14

Mr. Marcus says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Shouter wrote:
Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?
Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house.

How will tidal power work on our shores?
Tidal and solar power does well in this country.
There are many householders in York who have installed solar panels on their roves, and make a pretty penny in the bargain.
Wind power is unsatisfactory in this country because the wind is either too strong, and the turbines are switched, or too intermittent to make much of electricity.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?[/p][/quote]Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?[/p][/quote]Tidal and solar power does well in this country. There are many householders in York who have installed solar panels on their roves, and make a pretty penny in the bargain. Wind power is unsatisfactory in this country because the wind is either too strong, and the turbines are switched, or too intermittent to make much of electricity. Mr. Marcus

12:19pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Shouter wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Shouter wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?
Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?
Well if what you say is true, how come they can be heard quite clearly from two miles away? The Humber Estuary would be ideal for tidal power. At least the tide is guaranteed, whereas wind is not. It is either too windy or not windy enough. These hideous monstrostities simply do not work efficiently or properly. I suggest you move close to a windfarm and see how you like it!
Really?? how do you build on such poor ground?? pile 100m down? how is that green???
[quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?[/p][/quote]Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?[/p][/quote]Well if what you say is true, how come they can be heard quite clearly from two miles away? The Humber Estuary would be ideal for tidal power. At least the tide is guaranteed, whereas wind is not. It is either too windy or not windy enough. These hideous monstrostities simply do not work efficiently or properly. I suggest you move close to a windfarm and see how you like it![/p][/quote]Really?? how do you build on such poor ground?? pile 100m down? how is that green??? Archiebold the 1st

12:23pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Mr. Marcus wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Shouter wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?
Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?
Tidal and solar power does well in this country. There are many householders in York who have installed solar panels on their roves, and make a pretty penny in the bargain. Wind power is unsatisfactory in this country because the wind is either too strong, and the turbines are switched, or too intermittent to make much of electricity.
How? we do not have tidal power? And solar panels in a country that doesn’t see much sun??

And I can guarantee you that people who fall for the solar panel schemes are not making pennies as you put it... the companies that provide them for free make the money selling it back to the grid while offering the house in question a small saving.. while they make loads... Its a money making con which many find out the hard way...and devalues your house.

And how does a solar panel look walking down the street? like a tacky piece of sh@t... its like having Gary glitter lay on your roof...
[quote][p][bold]Mr. Marcus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?[/p][/quote]Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?[/p][/quote]Tidal and solar power does well in this country. There are many householders in York who have installed solar panels on their roves, and make a pretty penny in the bargain. Wind power is unsatisfactory in this country because the wind is either too strong, and the turbines are switched, or too intermittent to make much of electricity.[/p][/quote]How? we do not have tidal power? And solar panels in a country that doesn’t see much sun?? And I can guarantee you that people who fall for the solar panel schemes are not making pennies as you put it... the companies that provide them for free make the money selling it back to the grid while offering the house in question a small saving.. while they make loads... Its a money making con which many find out the hard way...and devalues your house. And how does a solar panel look walking down the street? like a tacky piece of sh@t... its like having Gary glitter lay on your roof... Archiebold the 1st

12:25pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Shouter wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Shouter wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?
Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?
Well if what you say is true, how come they can be heard quite clearly from two miles away? The Humber Estuary would be ideal for tidal power. At least the tide is guaranteed, whereas wind is not. It is either too windy or not windy enough. These hideous monstrostities simply do not work efficiently or properly. I suggest you move close to a windfarm and see how you like it!
and if its always too windy for them or not windy enough what are you even complaining about?? surly in both cases it would make no noise and you could happily sit in silence with the buzzing in your head.
[quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?[/p][/quote]Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?[/p][/quote]Well if what you say is true, how come they can be heard quite clearly from two miles away? The Humber Estuary would be ideal for tidal power. At least the tide is guaranteed, whereas wind is not. It is either too windy or not windy enough. These hideous monstrostities simply do not work efficiently or properly. I suggest you move close to a windfarm and see how you like it![/p][/quote]and if its always too windy for them or not windy enough what are you even complaining about?? surly in both cases it would make no noise and you could happily sit in silence with the buzzing in your head. Archiebold the 1st

1:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

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http://www.windmeasu rementinternational. com/wind-turbines/tu rbine_sound-measurem ent.php Archiebold the 1st

3:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ilikechocolate says...

Most people living near this wind farm are against it, me being one of them at about 800metres, York Community Energy did not even approach some of the residents of Holtby who live nearest to the proposed site of the turbine and some were not aware of the proposed plan until they read the article in York Press last week. A Murton resident advise me yesterday that they had been misled by York Community Energy who had called on them last year and given them the impression it was a 15m turbine not 65m. Wind farms are not efficient they are far more expensive to run than nuclear power due to the subsidies.
Most people living near this wind farm are against it, me being one of them at about 800metres, York Community Energy did not even approach some of the residents of Holtby who live nearest to the proposed site of the turbine and some were not aware of the proposed plan until they read the article in York Press last week. A Murton resident advise me yesterday that they had been misled by York Community Energy who had called on them last year and given them the impression it was a 15m turbine not 65m. Wind farms are not efficient they are far more expensive to run than nuclear power due to the subsidies. ilikechocolate

4:42pm Thu 20 Feb 14

oldgoat says...

ilikechocolate wrote:
Most people living near this wind farm are against it, me being one of them at about 800metres, York Community Energy did not even approach some of the residents of Holtby who live nearest to the proposed site of the turbine and some were not aware of the proposed plan until they read the article in York Press last week. A Murton resident advise me yesterday that they had been misled by York Community Energy who had called on them last year and given them the impression it was a 15m turbine not 65m. Wind farms are not efficient they are far more expensive to run than nuclear power due to the subsidies.
Wind farm rather than nuclear any day. I don't want my descendents stuck with dealing with the waste in a thousand years time.

Microgeneration has to be the way forward - solar panels, wind, hydro. A free power source and clean.
[quote][p][bold]ilikechocolate[/bold] wrote: Most people living near this wind farm are against it, me being one of them at about 800metres, York Community Energy did not even approach some of the residents of Holtby who live nearest to the proposed site of the turbine and some were not aware of the proposed plan until they read the article in York Press last week. A Murton resident advise me yesterday that they had been misled by York Community Energy who had called on them last year and given them the impression it was a 15m turbine not 65m. Wind farms are not efficient they are far more expensive to run than nuclear power due to the subsidies.[/p][/quote]Wind farm rather than nuclear any day. I don't want my descendents stuck with dealing with the waste in a thousand years time. Microgeneration has to be the way forward - solar panels, wind, hydro. A free power source and clean. oldgoat

5:01pm Thu 20 Feb 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

Hate to say it - you want longer lasting sustainable power? Nuclear.
still never going to be cheap though.

(Ho micro-do you want to go? You can build a "little" wind-turbine using an appropriate motor and blades cut from PVC pipe, and use it to charge as 12V DC battery or similar - so you can run it through an inverter and it'll be able to provide mains voltage for a short time.)
Hate to say it - you want longer lasting sustainable power? Nuclear. still never going to be cheap though. (Ho micro-do you want to go? You can build a "little" wind-turbine using an appropriate motor and blades cut from PVC pipe, and use it to charge as 12V DC battery or similar - so you can run it through an inverter and it'll be able to provide mains voltage for a short time.) MarkyMarkMark

5:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

workshopper says...

oldgoat wrote:
ilikechocolate wrote:
Most people living near this wind farm are against it, me being one of them at about 800metres, York Community Energy did not even approach some of the residents of Holtby who live nearest to the proposed site of the turbine and some were not aware of the proposed plan until they read the article in York Press last week. A Murton resident advise me yesterday that they had been misled by York Community Energy who had called on them last year and given them the impression it was a 15m turbine not 65m. Wind farms are not efficient they are far more expensive to run than nuclear power due to the subsidies.
Wind farm rather than nuclear any day. I don't want my descendents stuck with dealing with the waste in a thousand years time.

Microgeneration has to be the way forward - solar panels, wind, hydro. A free power source and clean.
I'm all in favour of hydro and particularly tidal power, but to get back to this wind farm proposal, there is not enough wind on the low lying Vale of York to make wind generation viable here. Even with a fair breeze the cost per KWh would be multiples more than conventional generation.
Facts are here : http://www.gridwatch
.templar.co.uk/
[quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ilikechocolate[/bold] wrote: Most people living near this wind farm are against it, me being one of them at about 800metres, York Community Energy did not even approach some of the residents of Holtby who live nearest to the proposed site of the turbine and some were not aware of the proposed plan until they read the article in York Press last week. A Murton resident advise me yesterday that they had been misled by York Community Energy who had called on them last year and given them the impression it was a 15m turbine not 65m. Wind farms are not efficient they are far more expensive to run than nuclear power due to the subsidies.[/p][/quote]Wind farm rather than nuclear any day. I don't want my descendents stuck with dealing with the waste in a thousand years time. Microgeneration has to be the way forward - solar panels, wind, hydro. A free power source and clean.[/p][/quote]I'm all in favour of hydro and particularly tidal power, but to get back to this wind farm proposal, there is not enough wind on the low lying Vale of York to make wind generation viable here. Even with a fair breeze the cost per KWh would be multiples more than conventional generation. Facts are here : http://www.gridwatch .templar.co.uk/ workshopper

7:35pm Thu 20 Feb 14

DEKKA says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Mr. Marcus wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Shouter wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?
Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?
Tidal and solar power does well in this country. There are many householders in York who have installed solar panels on their roves, and make a pretty penny in the bargain. Wind power is unsatisfactory in this country because the wind is either too strong, and the turbines are switched, or too intermittent to make much of electricity.
How? we do not have tidal power? And solar panels in a country that doesn’t see much sun??

And I can guarantee you that people who fall for the solar panel schemes are not making pennies as you put it... the companies that provide them for free make the money selling it back to the grid while offering the house in question a small saving.. while they make loads... Its a money making con which many find out the hard way...and devalues your house.

And how does a solar panel look walking down the street? like a tacky piece of sh@t... its like having Gary glitter lay on your roof...
Well..we have solar panels and we make quite a lot of pennies from them thank you. As for what they look like, they look fine..I thought Gary Glitter wore gold/silver outfits, not dark grey,
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr. Marcus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?[/p][/quote]Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?[/p][/quote]Tidal and solar power does well in this country. There are many householders in York who have installed solar panels on their roves, and make a pretty penny in the bargain. Wind power is unsatisfactory in this country because the wind is either too strong, and the turbines are switched, or too intermittent to make much of electricity.[/p][/quote]How? we do not have tidal power? And solar panels in a country that doesn’t see much sun?? And I can guarantee you that people who fall for the solar panel schemes are not making pennies as you put it... the companies that provide them for free make the money selling it back to the grid while offering the house in question a small saving.. while they make loads... Its a money making con which many find out the hard way...and devalues your house. And how does a solar panel look walking down the street? like a tacky piece of sh@t... its like having Gary glitter lay on your roof...[/p][/quote]Well..we have solar panels and we make quite a lot of pennies from them thank you. As for what they look like, they look fine..I thought Gary Glitter wore gold/silver outfits, not dark grey, DEKKA

7:50pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

DEKKA wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Mr. Marcus wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Shouter wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?
Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?
Tidal and solar power does well in this country. There are many householders in York who have installed solar panels on their roves, and make a pretty penny in the bargain. Wind power is unsatisfactory in this country because the wind is either too strong, and the turbines are switched, or too intermittent to make much of electricity.
How? we do not have tidal power? And solar panels in a country that doesn’t see much sun??

And I can guarantee you that people who fall for the solar panel schemes are not making pennies as you put it... the companies that provide them for free make the money selling it back to the grid while offering the house in question a small saving.. while they make loads... Its a money making con which many find out the hard way...and devalues your house.

And how does a solar panel look walking down the street? like a tacky piece of sh@t... its like having Gary glitter lay on your roof...
Well..we have solar panels and we make quite a lot of pennies from them thank you. As for what they look like, they look fine..I thought Gary Glitter wore gold/silver outfits, not dark grey,
I saw two installations recently in a terraced street where previously there were none. The first replaced the concrete tiles with an underbed to make them flush with adjoining tiles. I have opinions on what people think is ok to do to a roof which can't be printed, but found myself thinking that it was a decent job. The second involved some cowboys just attatching mounting rails above the tiles and it looked just as the original comment. Good luck to the owner when one of the tiles from under the panels fails and needs replacement.
[quote][p][bold]DEKKA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr. Marcus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?[/p][/quote]Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?[/p][/quote]Tidal and solar power does well in this country. There are many householders in York who have installed solar panels on their roves, and make a pretty penny in the bargain. Wind power is unsatisfactory in this country because the wind is either too strong, and the turbines are switched, or too intermittent to make much of electricity.[/p][/quote]How? we do not have tidal power? And solar panels in a country that doesn’t see much sun?? And I can guarantee you that people who fall for the solar panel schemes are not making pennies as you put it... the companies that provide them for free make the money selling it back to the grid while offering the house in question a small saving.. while they make loads... Its a money making con which many find out the hard way...and devalues your house. And how does a solar panel look walking down the street? like a tacky piece of sh@t... its like having Gary glitter lay on your roof...[/p][/quote]Well..we have solar panels and we make quite a lot of pennies from them thank you. As for what they look like, they look fine..I thought Gary Glitter wore gold/silver outfits, not dark grey,[/p][/quote]I saw two installations recently in a terraced street where previously there were none. The first replaced the concrete tiles with an underbed to make them flush with adjoining tiles. I have opinions on what people think is ok to do to a roof which can't be printed, but found myself thinking that it was a decent job. The second involved some cowboys just attatching mounting rails above the tiles and it looked just as the original comment. Good luck to the owner when one of the tiles from under the panels fails and needs replacement. Mulgrave

8:46pm Thu 20 Feb 14

piaggio1 says...

What is it with this....carbon footprint? ??
Why do countries like germany/ china keep opening coal fired power stations? ?..od is it we just bow down to the eussr!.
Stuff em .lets go nuclear. As long as it int french.
What is it with this....carbon footprint? ?? Why do countries like germany/ china keep opening coal fired power stations? ?..od is it we just bow down to the eussr!. Stuff em .lets go nuclear. As long as it int french. piaggio1

10:32pm Thu 20 Feb 14

DEKKA says...

Mulgrave wrote:
DEKKA wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Mr. Marcus wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Shouter wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?
Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?
Tidal and solar power does well in this country. There are many householders in York who have installed solar panels on their roves, and make a pretty penny in the bargain. Wind power is unsatisfactory in this country because the wind is either too strong, and the turbines are switched, or too intermittent to make much of electricity.
How? we do not have tidal power? And solar panels in a country that doesn’t see much sun??

And I can guarantee you that people who fall for the solar panel schemes are not making pennies as you put it... the companies that provide them for free make the money selling it back to the grid while offering the house in question a small saving.. while they make loads... Its a money making con which many find out the hard way...and devalues your house.

And how does a solar panel look walking down the street? like a tacky piece of sh@t... its like having Gary glitter lay on your roof...
Well..we have solar panels and we make quite a lot of pennies from them thank you. As for what they look like, they look fine..I thought Gary Glitter wore gold/silver outfits, not dark grey,
I saw two installations recently in a terraced street where previously there were none. The first replaced the concrete tiles with an underbed to make them flush with adjoining tiles. I have opinions on what people think is ok to do to a roof which can't be printed, but found myself thinking that it was a decent job. The second involved some cowboys just attatching mounting rails above the tiles and it looked just as the original comment. Good luck to the owner when one of the tiles from under the panels fails and needs replacement.
Attaching the panels above the tiles is the standard fitting, not a cowboy operation. If a tile fails any panel can easily be removed.
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEKKA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr. Marcus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Well, I hope it is close to their houses. They are extremely noisy (I know from personal experience) and very ugly. Why not invest the money in something which actually works, such as tidal power?[/p][/quote]Again I will state it... these are about the same as a fridge from 400m away and you can not build them within 2 miles of a house. They are not powered during the night and nor are they ugly... i hope they start fracking next to your house. How will tidal power work on our shores?[/p][/quote]Tidal and solar power does well in this country. There are many householders in York who have installed solar panels on their roves, and make a pretty penny in the bargain. Wind power is unsatisfactory in this country because the wind is either too strong, and the turbines are switched, or too intermittent to make much of electricity.[/p][/quote]How? we do not have tidal power? And solar panels in a country that doesn’t see much sun?? And I can guarantee you that people who fall for the solar panel schemes are not making pennies as you put it... the companies that provide them for free make the money selling it back to the grid while offering the house in question a small saving.. while they make loads... Its a money making con which many find out the hard way...and devalues your house. And how does a solar panel look walking down the street? like a tacky piece of sh@t... its like having Gary glitter lay on your roof...[/p][/quote]Well..we have solar panels and we make quite a lot of pennies from them thank you. As for what they look like, they look fine..I thought Gary Glitter wore gold/silver outfits, not dark grey,[/p][/quote]I saw two installations recently in a terraced street where previously there were none. The first replaced the concrete tiles with an underbed to make them flush with adjoining tiles. I have opinions on what people think is ok to do to a roof which can't be printed, but found myself thinking that it was a decent job. The second involved some cowboys just attatching mounting rails above the tiles and it looked just as the original comment. Good luck to the owner when one of the tiles from under the panels fails and needs replacement.[/p][/quote]Attaching the panels above the tiles is the standard fitting, not a cowboy operation. If a tile fails any panel can easily be removed. DEKKA

12:54am Fri 21 Feb 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Where did this 60-70% acceptance figure come from? Could it be the same sort of place the 97% of scientists believe in man made global warming came from?
The truth is that many of these brain dead schemes will go throuh because of the governments determination to meet their renewable energy targets. You just have to look at the rubbish put into diesel and petrol in increasing amounts to understand this. Oh yes, and all dome by stealth.
At least UKIP will put an end to all this grief!
Where did this 60-70% acceptance figure come from? Could it be the same sort of place the 97% of scientists believe in man made global warming came from? The truth is that many of these brain dead schemes will go throuh because of the governments determination to meet their renewable energy targets. You just have to look at the rubbish put into diesel and petrol in increasing amounts to understand this. Oh yes, and all dome by stealth. At least UKIP will put an end to all this grief! ColdAsChristmas

2:59am Fri 21 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

RESIDENTS could benefit from the creation of a new wind turbine near York, a local group have claimed.


From now on, we shall live intermittently!!
[quote]RESIDENTS could benefit from the creation of a new wind turbine near York, a local group have claimed. [/quote] From now on, we shall live intermittently!! Magicman!

4:31am Fri 21 Feb 14

anistasia says...

Again the publics voice does not matter if there is money to be made ignor everyone else's views if it gets built an eyesore on our lovely landscape and skyline and for what about 3% of national power.if it gets too windy they get turned off .what sight will people see from top of York Minster and the hills around York.and then there is fracking again public will be ignored.we live in a dictatorship told what's good for us never mind what we think.it's like us saying let's build a nuclear power station in middle of London but but that will never happen.
Again the publics voice does not matter if there is money to be made ignor everyone else's views if it gets built an eyesore on our lovely landscape and skyline and for what about 3% of national power.if it gets too windy they get turned off .what sight will people see from top of York Minster and the hills around York.and then there is fracking again public will be ignored.we live in a dictatorship told what's good for us never mind what we think.it's like us saying let's build a nuclear power station in middle of London but but that will never happen. anistasia

5:19pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Alf Garnett says...

WADOWEWANT ? More homes.
WHEREDOWEWANT THEM ? Anywhere but here.
WADOWEWANT ? Reliable power that doesn't wreck the planet.
WHEREDOWEWANNIT ? Somewhere else.
WADOWEWANT ? Green energy and less waste.
WHEREDOWEWANT THE DIGESTERS WHICH MIGHT MAKE THIS A POSSIBILITY ? Somewhere else.

Repeat ad nauseam.
WADOWEWANT ? More homes. WHEREDOWEWANT THEM ? Anywhere but here. WADOWEWANT ? Reliable power that doesn't wreck the planet. WHEREDOWEWANNIT ? Somewhere else. WADOWEWANT ? Green energy and less waste. WHEREDOWEWANT THE DIGESTERS WHICH MIGHT MAKE THIS A POSSIBILITY ? Somewhere else. Repeat ad nauseam. Alf Garnett

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