Traffic adjudicator assesses Coppergate's controversial traffic restrictions

Traffic officials in Coppergate

Traffic officials in Coppergate

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , Political Reporter

A TRAFFIC adjudicator has visited York to assess controversial traffic restrictions in a city-centre street, saying he wanted to see them for himself because of the number of appeals he has received.

Stephen Knapp, of the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, yesterday examined signs indicating the tougher traffic rules which now apply in Coppergate. Since July, private vehicles have been banned from using the street between 7am and 7pm.

The Press reported last month that Mr Knapp had written to a York motorist who sent him an appeal against four penalty charge notices relating to Coppergate.

The adjudicator said he had decided to come to the city and see the signs warning drivers of the restrictions before making further decisions due to the volume of challenges he has received. He has also asked City of York Council officials a series of questions about the new rules.

Before last summer – when a £75,000 CCTV enforcement system was installed – cars, motorbikes, vans and lorries were prevented from using Coppergate between 8am and 6pm, with no restrictions on Sundays.

The council said the changes were designed to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on, the street, but opponents have claimed the £60 fines are generating income for the authority at motorists’ expense.

“I don’t disagree with changes, but these were not publicised well enough,” said David Bough, who owns Wards the Florists in Clifford Street.

“I’ve been trading here for 30 years, and I wasn’t aware of the fact the restrictions were changing after such a long time. Everybody was at least used to the old restrictions, and the way these changes have been implemented and publicised just feels wrong.”

Any findings from Mr Knapp’s visit are not expected for several weeks. The council has said all information requested by the adjudicator – which included the number of fines issued and cancelled and the criteria for deciding whether the contest an appeal – will be provided.

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9:02am Thu 20 Feb 14

What's Up, Doc? says...

I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really! What's Up, Doc?
  • Score: 13

9:24am Thu 20 Feb 14

yorkandproud says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish. yorkandproud
  • Score: -19

9:27am Thu 20 Feb 14

maybejustmaybe says...

Once CYC have finished resurfacing Goodramgate, are they going to put up ANPR cameras to to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on that street?
Once CYC have finished resurfacing Goodramgate, are they going to put up ANPR cameras to to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on that street? maybejustmaybe
  • Score: -27

9:43am Thu 20 Feb 14

eeoodares says...

maybejustmaybe wrote:
Once CYC have finished resurfacing Goodramgate, are they going to put up ANPR cameras to to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on that street?
Wow, the levels of intolerance people like you show is staggering.

Will you be happy only when there are no shops, no shoppers and no traffic?

What difference does it make to you when someone parks up for 5 minutes to drop off or pick something from a shop?
[quote][p][bold]maybejustmaybe[/bold] wrote: Once CYC have finished resurfacing Goodramgate, are they going to put up ANPR cameras to to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on that street?[/p][/quote]Wow, the levels of intolerance people like you show is staggering. Will you be happy only when there are no shops, no shoppers and no traffic? What difference does it make to you when someone parks up for 5 minutes to drop off or pick something from a shop? eeoodares
  • Score: -24

9:44am Thu 20 Feb 14

Pete the Brickie says...

There is no need or reason for normal ie non council sponsored/council partner vehicles to be banned from this street before 8am or after 6pm. Enforcing the existing rules was right, changing them to block hard working early morning and evening commuter/business traffic was wrong. Hopefully the Adjudicator will see this and instruct our council accordingly.
There is no need or reason for normal ie non council sponsored/council partner vehicles to be banned from this street before 8am or after 6pm. Enforcing the existing rules was right, changing them to block hard working early morning and evening commuter/business traffic was wrong. Hopefully the Adjudicator will see this and instruct our council accordingly. Pete the Brickie
  • Score: -54

10:55am Thu 20 Feb 14

roskoboskovic says...

hey,whats up doc,try reading the article before jumping on the anti motorist bandwagon.it s about time that ycc realised that the income from car parks and motoring fines add up to a pretty penny.they are so short sighted in their persecution that they fail to see the consequences if no motorists came.hopefully they ll get a rude awakening when the new shopping centre opens.am i alone in thinking that labour/faux socialist councillors are the most dictatorial.
hey,whats up doc,try reading the article before jumping on the anti motorist bandwagon.it s about time that ycc realised that the income from car parks and motoring fines add up to a pretty penny.they are so short sighted in their persecution that they fail to see the consequences if no motorists came.hopefully they ll get a rude awakening when the new shopping centre opens.am i alone in thinking that labour/faux socialist councillors are the most dictatorial. roskoboskovic
  • Score: -58

11:20am Thu 20 Feb 14

What's Up, Doc? says...

yorkandproud wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
Rubbish!

The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access.

These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg
ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice!
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access. These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice! What's Up, Doc?
  • Score: 17

11:30am Thu 20 Feb 14

again says...

Pete the Brickie wrote:
There is no need or reason for normal ie non council sponsored/council partner vehicles to be banned from this street before 8am or after 6pm. Enforcing the existing rules was right, changing them to block hard working early morning and evening commuter/business traffic was wrong. Hopefully the Adjudicator will see this and instruct our council accordingly.
It is much better to work smart than to work hard. Like reading road signs for a start.

The adjudicator is not elected, the council is. Why should the adjudicator have more power? Because they might do what you want regardless of the rest of us?
[quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: There is no need or reason for normal ie non council sponsored/council partner vehicles to be banned from this street before 8am or after 6pm. Enforcing the existing rules was right, changing them to block hard working early morning and evening commuter/business traffic was wrong. Hopefully the Adjudicator will see this and instruct our council accordingly.[/p][/quote]It is much better to work smart than to work hard. Like reading road signs for a start. The adjudicator is not elected, the council is. Why should the adjudicator have more power? Because they might do what you want regardless of the rest of us? again
  • Score: 28

11:31am Thu 20 Feb 14

Mr. Marcus says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
The problem in question is that the signage used by York Council is misleading.
Any one with common sense knows that!
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]The problem in question is that the signage used by York Council is misleading. Any one with common sense knows that! Mr. Marcus
  • Score: -20

11:34am Thu 20 Feb 14

Mr. Marcus says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
Rubbish!

The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access.

These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg

ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice!
What a load of rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access. These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice![/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish! Mr. Marcus
  • Score: -33

11:42am Thu 20 Feb 14

excabbie says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
Rubbish!

The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access.

These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg

ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice!
The signs are inadequate turning left into coppergate from Clifford st! 2 signs 1 being blocked by a larger sign and the other is blocked if you follow a bus/van before turning, plus the times have changed, their is no advanced signage before the turn either, I got caught at 18:19 on a Saturday and did notice one sign with a time on it briefly before checking for pedestrians on the zebra crossing but it's a bit late then!
I certainly agree to the restriction being enforced being an ex cabbie, it's annoying when private cars are/were using it illegally!
I think getting caught once is acceptable, but getting caught 4 times is unacceptable and at least 3 of that guys tickets should still be enforceable!
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access. These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice![/p][/quote]The signs are inadequate turning left into coppergate from Clifford st! 2 signs 1 being blocked by a larger sign and the other is blocked if you follow a bus/van before turning, plus the times have changed, their is no advanced signage before the turn either, I got caught at 18:19 on a Saturday and did notice one sign with a time on it briefly before checking for pedestrians on the zebra crossing but it's a bit late then! I certainly agree to the restriction being enforced being an ex cabbie, it's annoying when private cars are/were using it illegally! I think getting caught once is acceptable, but getting caught 4 times is unacceptable and at least 3 of that guys tickets should still be enforceable! excabbie
  • Score: -20

11:49am Thu 20 Feb 14

excabbie says...

Just to add, when I was working as a cabbie, city of York council had no interest in enforcing coppergate restrictions, if you rang up to get them to do something about private cars using it, their response was it wasn't their problem to sort, it was down to the police, but that was probably because they would not recieve any of the fines, but now they are happy to do it now, because they are raking in thousands from the fines!
Just to add, when I was working as a cabbie, city of York council had no interest in enforcing coppergate restrictions, if you rang up to get them to do something about private cars using it, their response was it wasn't their problem to sort, it was down to the police, but that was probably because they would not recieve any of the fines, but now they are happy to do it now, because they are raking in thousands from the fines! excabbie
  • Score: -9

12:22pm Thu 20 Feb 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

excabbie wrote:
Just to add, when I was working as a cabbie, city of York council had no interest in enforcing coppergate restrictions, if you rang up to get them to do something about private cars using it, their response was it wasn't their problem to sort, it was down to the police, but that was probably because they would not recieve any of the fines, but now they are happy to do it now, because they are raking in thousands from the fines!
Please sir! Please sir!

Someone's using my private road!
[quote][p][bold]excabbie[/bold] wrote: Just to add, when I was working as a cabbie, city of York council had no interest in enforcing coppergate restrictions, if you rang up to get them to do something about private cars using it, their response was it wasn't their problem to sort, it was down to the police, but that was probably because they would not recieve any of the fines, but now they are happy to do it now, because they are raking in thousands from the fines![/p][/quote]Please sir! Please sir! Someone's using my private road! AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -17

12:39pm Thu 20 Feb 14

excabbie says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
excabbie wrote:
Just to add, when I was working as a cabbie, city of York council had no interest in enforcing coppergate restrictions, if you rang up to get them to do something about private cars using it, their response was it wasn't their problem to sort, it was down to the police, but that was probably because they would not recieve any of the fines, but now they are happy to do it now, because they are raking in thousands from the fines!
Please sir! Please sir!

Someone's using my private road!
And you would be moaning when the meter is ticking away merrily while the taxi is sat in a traffic jam caused by inconsiderate car drivers, muppet!
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]excabbie[/bold] wrote: Just to add, when I was working as a cabbie, city of York council had no interest in enforcing coppergate restrictions, if you rang up to get them to do something about private cars using it, their response was it wasn't their problem to sort, it was down to the police, but that was probably because they would not recieve any of the fines, but now they are happy to do it now, because they are raking in thousands from the fines![/p][/quote]Please sir! Please sir! Someone's using my private road![/p][/quote]And you would be moaning when the meter is ticking away merrily while the taxi is sat in a traffic jam caused by inconsiderate car drivers, muppet! excabbie
  • Score: -14

12:40pm Thu 20 Feb 14

PKH says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
Rubbish!

The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access.

These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg

ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice!
Yes the signs have been there for years but the had 8am - 6pm on them until recently, also the roads leading to Coppergate from Stonebow etc. where the signage is much easier to read still have the 8am - 6pm restriction not the additional hours. I believe that anyone caught between 8am - 6pm does not 'have a leg to stand on' those caught by the extended hours of Coppergate have a very good case for the first 'offence'.
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access. These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice![/p][/quote]Yes the signs have been there for years but the had 8am - 6pm on them until recently, also the roads leading to Coppergate from Stonebow etc. where the signage is much easier to read still have the 8am - 6pm restriction not the additional hours. I believe that anyone caught between 8am - 6pm does not 'have a leg to stand on' those caught by the extended hours of Coppergate have a very good case for the first 'offence'. PKH
  • Score: 15

12:43pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ouseswimmer says...

Its quite clear the signs say almost exactly the opposite to what is intended. The signs say 'no motor vehicles' then below it says except buses and taxis between 7am and 7pm. Clearly no one who has commented so far has actually seen the signs. So no motor vehicles are allowed after 7pm until 7am. No doubt the council have messed this up and the legalities will perhaps be as they intended but the signs are almost exactly the opposite to what they wanted.
Its quite clear the signs say almost exactly the opposite to what is intended. The signs say 'no motor vehicles' then below it says except buses and taxis between 7am and 7pm. Clearly no one who has commented so far has actually seen the signs. So no motor vehicles are allowed after 7pm until 7am. No doubt the council have messed this up and the legalities will perhaps be as they intended but the signs are almost exactly the opposite to what they wanted. ouseswimmer
  • Score: -51

12:44pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Waaaaah! Roads!
Winds everyone up a bit eh?

Press has got it all this morning... Roads, wind turbines, housing developments, just missing cyclists and we could a hysterical full house.
Waaaaah! Roads! Winds everyone up a bit eh? Press has got it all this morning... Roads, wind turbines, housing developments, just missing cyclists and we could a hysterical full house. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -50

12:59pm Thu 20 Feb 14

eeoodares says...

again wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote:
There is no need or reason for normal ie non council sponsored/council partner vehicles to be banned from this street before 8am or after 6pm. Enforcing the existing rules was right, changing them to block hard working early morning and evening commuter/business traffic was wrong. Hopefully the Adjudicator will see this and instruct our council accordingly.
It is much better to work smart than to work hard. Like reading road signs for a start.

The adjudicator is not elected, the council is. Why should the adjudicator have more power? Because they might do what you want regardless of the rest of us?
Adjudicators like Judges are not elected, that is the point, they are independent. If they were elected then they might feel honour bound to do the populist thing so that they would be re-elected.
They look at the laws and rules and seem if they have been implemented to the intent of the law. i.e. to benefit the people, not as a revenue earner for an inept Council.
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: There is no need or reason for normal ie non council sponsored/council partner vehicles to be banned from this street before 8am or after 6pm. Enforcing the existing rules was right, changing them to block hard working early morning and evening commuter/business traffic was wrong. Hopefully the Adjudicator will see this and instruct our council accordingly.[/p][/quote]It is much better to work smart than to work hard. Like reading road signs for a start. The adjudicator is not elected, the council is. Why should the adjudicator have more power? Because they might do what you want regardless of the rest of us?[/p][/quote]Adjudicators like Judges are not elected, that is the point, they are independent. If they were elected then they might feel honour bound to do the populist thing so that they would be re-elected. They look at the laws and rules and seem if they have been implemented to the intent of the law. i.e. to benefit the people, not as a revenue earner for an inept Council. eeoodares
  • Score: -53

1:03pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

i dont see why the access is limited anyway... when it wasn't or wasnt inforced rather there were hardly bad traffic jams or loads of road incidents... i dont get the logic to be honest.

One thing i don't agree with is having signs where a zebra crossing is. You are meant to be focused on seeing if that is clear rather then digesting why you can't use a road..
i dont see why the access is limited anyway... when it wasn't or wasnt inforced rather there were hardly bad traffic jams or loads of road incidents... i dont get the logic to be honest. One thing i don't agree with is having signs where a zebra crossing is. You are meant to be focused on seeing if that is clear rather then digesting why you can't use a road.. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -46

1:07pm Thu 20 Feb 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

excabbie wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
excabbie wrote:
Just to add, when I was working as a cabbie, city of York council had no interest in enforcing coppergate restrictions, if you rang up to get them to do something about private cars using it, their response was it wasn't their problem to sort, it was down to the police, but that was probably because they would not recieve any of the fines, but now they are happy to do it now, because they are raking in thousands from the fines!
Please sir! Please sir!

Someone's using my private road!
And you would be moaning when the meter is ticking away merrily while the taxi is sat in a traffic jam caused by inconsiderate car drivers, muppet!
Bless, cabbies having to play by the same rules as mere mortals... who would have ever thought that would be a reasonable request...?
[quote][p][bold]excabbie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]excabbie[/bold] wrote: Just to add, when I was working as a cabbie, city of York council had no interest in enforcing coppergate restrictions, if you rang up to get them to do something about private cars using it, their response was it wasn't their problem to sort, it was down to the police, but that was probably because they would not recieve any of the fines, but now they are happy to do it now, because they are raking in thousands from the fines![/p][/quote]Please sir! Please sir! Someone's using my private road![/p][/quote]And you would be moaning when the meter is ticking away merrily while the taxi is sat in a traffic jam caused by inconsiderate car drivers, muppet![/p][/quote]Bless, cabbies having to play by the same rules as mere mortals... who would have ever thought that would be a reasonable request...? AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -47

1:37pm Thu 20 Feb 14

chalkhouse says...

It is typical of a labour run council, anti car anti business..They have not got a clue. I went through the centre of York on August bank holiday Monday, I have not been through York city centre in a car for over 30 years and I did not see the sign in Coppergate and was surprised several days later to get a letter through the post from Northampton saying that I had been caught on camera and would have to pay £60. Motorists have enough to look out for, in fact on the day in question the lights at the top of Gillygate were not functioning properly so I came straight across and throught the centre of the City. There were drunken youths running all over the street near Betty`s, I bet they didn`t end up in court or get a fine. The fact is that it is just a fund raiser to pay for council staffs inflated salaries, pensions and payoffs.

C .H .Alky Foggathorpe
It is typical of a labour run council, anti car anti business..They have not got a clue. I went through the centre of York on August bank holiday Monday, I have not been through York city centre in a car for over 30 years and I did not see the sign in Coppergate and was surprised several days later to get a letter through the post from Northampton saying that I had been caught on camera and would have to pay £60. Motorists have enough to look out for, in fact on the day in question the lights at the top of Gillygate were not functioning properly so I came straight across and throught the centre of the City. There were drunken youths running all over the street near Betty`s, I bet they didn`t end up in court or get a fine. The fact is that it is just a fund raiser to pay for council staffs inflated salaries, pensions and payoffs. C .H .Alky Foggathorpe chalkhouse
  • Score: -32

1:43pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Pete the Brickie says...

again wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote:
There is no need or reason for normal ie non council sponsored/council partner vehicles to be banned from this street before 8am or after 6pm. Enforcing the existing rules was right, changing them to block hard working early morning and evening commuter/business traffic was wrong. Hopefully the Adjudicator will see this and instruct our council accordingly.
It is much better to work smart than to work hard. Like reading road signs for a start.

The adjudicator is not elected, the council is. Why should the adjudicator have more power? Because they might do what you want regardless of the rest of us?
Just to correct you, the council's political leadership is elected, the council itself is a body put in place to serve the public using money provided to them by taxpaying members of same. Political figureheads can be voted out, but the council as a body remains the same, sometimes that body needs to be challenged to remind it who is actually in charge i.e. taxpayers.
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: There is no need or reason for normal ie non council sponsored/council partner vehicles to be banned from this street before 8am or after 6pm. Enforcing the existing rules was right, changing them to block hard working early morning and evening commuter/business traffic was wrong. Hopefully the Adjudicator will see this and instruct our council accordingly.[/p][/quote]It is much better to work smart than to work hard. Like reading road signs for a start. The adjudicator is not elected, the council is. Why should the adjudicator have more power? Because they might do what you want regardless of the rest of us?[/p][/quote]Just to correct you, the council's political leadership is elected, the council itself is a body put in place to serve the public using money provided to them by taxpaying members of same. Political figureheads can be voted out, but the council as a body remains the same, sometimes that body needs to be challenged to remind it who is actually in charge i.e. taxpayers. Pete the Brickie
  • Score: -23

2:02pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Caecilius says...

yorkandproud wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
It's the fact that motorists who break the rules either can't be bothered to read the signage, drive around with their eyes shut or consider themselves too important to take any notice of restrictions that they find inconvenient. It appears there are some people who won't register a traffic restriction unless they're halted by a man with a red flag at the entrance to the street in question and personally informed in words of one syllable that they're not allowed to drive down it. Look at the individuals who've failed to heed the warnings on the Stonebow and duly had their car totalled by the rising bollard.
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.[/p][/quote]It's the fact that motorists who break the rules either can't be bothered to read the signage, drive around with their eyes shut or consider themselves too important to take any notice of restrictions that they find inconvenient. It appears there are some people who won't register a traffic restriction unless they're halted by a man with a red flag at the entrance to the street in question and personally informed in words of one syllable that they're not allowed to drive down it. Look at the individuals who've failed to heed the warnings on the Stonebow and duly had their car totalled by the rising bollard. Caecilius
  • Score: 38

2:10pm Thu 20 Feb 14

maybejustmaybe says...

eeoodares wrote:
maybejustmaybe wrote:
Once CYC have finished resurfacing Goodramgate, are they going to put up ANPR cameras to to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on that street?
Wow, the levels of intolerance people like you show is staggering.

Will you be happy only when there are no shops, no shoppers and no traffic?

What difference does it make to you when someone parks up for 5 minutes to drop off or pick something from a shop?
Will that excuse work for crossing Lendal bridge? I dont think so. Why should it work for the people blatantly driving into the footstreet area?
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maybejustmaybe[/bold] wrote: Once CYC have finished resurfacing Goodramgate, are they going to put up ANPR cameras to to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on that street?[/p][/quote]Wow, the levels of intolerance people like you show is staggering. Will you be happy only when there are no shops, no shoppers and no traffic? What difference does it make to you when someone parks up for 5 minutes to drop off or pick something from a shop?[/p][/quote]Will that excuse work for crossing Lendal bridge? I dont think so. Why should it work for the people blatantly driving into the footstreet area? maybejustmaybe
  • Score: 33

2:19pm Thu 20 Feb 14

the original Homer says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
Its quite clear the signs say almost exactly the opposite to what is intended. The signs say 'no motor vehicles' then below it says except buses and taxis between 7am and 7pm. Clearly no one who has commented so far has actually seen the signs. So no motor vehicles are allowed after 7pm until 7am. No doubt the council have messed this up and the legalities will perhaps be as they intended but the signs are almost exactly the opposite to what they wanted.
That's how the signs have to be, to comply with International standards.

They would ideally have the words in a different order, i.e. "No Motor vehicles between 7am and 7pm, except buses and taxis" Hiowever that would make the sign illegal.

The adjudicator won't be able to do anything about that. Nor will he be able to say that the restricted hours were wrong, or the classes of vehicles were wrong.

It is unlilely (although technically possible) that he may decide the signs are badly placed and that both the old and new resrictiosn are unenforcable.

More likely is that he'll say the changed hours were not adequately signed and that only tickets within the original times stand.

People not seeing the signs have a very weak appeal. Those seeing the signs, but not noticing the hours had changed have a strong appeal (IMO).
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: Its quite clear the signs say almost exactly the opposite to what is intended. The signs say 'no motor vehicles' then below it says except buses and taxis between 7am and 7pm. Clearly no one who has commented so far has actually seen the signs. So no motor vehicles are allowed after 7pm until 7am. No doubt the council have messed this up and the legalities will perhaps be as they intended but the signs are almost exactly the opposite to what they wanted.[/p][/quote]That's how the signs have to be, to comply with International standards. They would ideally have the words in a different order, i.e. "No Motor vehicles between 7am and 7pm, except buses and taxis" Hiowever that would make the sign illegal. The adjudicator won't be able to do anything about that. Nor will he be able to say that the restricted hours were wrong, or the classes of vehicles were wrong. It is unlilely (although technically possible) that he may decide the signs are badly placed and that both the old and new resrictiosn are unenforcable. More likely is that he'll say the changed hours were not adequately signed and that only tickets within the original times stand. People not seeing the signs have a very weak appeal. Those seeing the signs, but not noticing the hours had changed have a strong appeal (IMO). the original Homer
  • Score: -18

2:43pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Pinza-C55 says...

I walked home over the bridge this morning at 11.30 and saw £240 fly past me. One of them ( a 30's couple having an animated conversation with their daughter who was in the back seat) got held behind a bus at the lights opposite the Maltings and I thought about warning them but I guess it was too late.
I walked home over the bridge this morning at 11.30 and saw £240 fly past me. One of them ( a 30's couple having an animated conversation with their daughter who was in the back seat) got held behind a bus at the lights opposite the Maltings and I thought about warning them but I guess it was too late. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -16

2:50pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

maybejustmaybe wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
maybejustmaybe wrote: Once CYC have finished resurfacing Goodramgate, are they going to put up ANPR cameras to to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on that street?
Wow, the levels of intolerance people like you show is staggering. Will you be happy only when there are no shops, no shoppers and no traffic? What difference does it make to you when someone parks up for 5 minutes to drop off or pick something from a shop?
Will that excuse work for crossing Lendal bridge? I dont think so. Why should it work for the people blatantly driving into the footstreet area?
is it a foot street area? i thought busses and taxi's still used it and its actually classed as a highway?

Either way people applying for a taxi licence will work wonders for future transpiration needs in York..
[quote][p][bold]maybejustmaybe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maybejustmaybe[/bold] wrote: Once CYC have finished resurfacing Goodramgate, are they going to put up ANPR cameras to to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on that street?[/p][/quote]Wow, the levels of intolerance people like you show is staggering. Will you be happy only when there are no shops, no shoppers and no traffic? What difference does it make to you when someone parks up for 5 minutes to drop off or pick something from a shop?[/p][/quote]Will that excuse work for crossing Lendal bridge? I dont think so. Why should it work for the people blatantly driving into the footstreet area?[/p][/quote]is it a foot street area? i thought busses and taxi's still used it and its actually classed as a highway? Either way people applying for a taxi licence will work wonders for future transpiration needs in York.. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -42

2:52pm Thu 20 Feb 14

24.2.1969bestcitygoalever... says...

I can imagine a time when York City centre won't have any private passenger vehicles passing through it at all.

The real questions are: what needs to happen, what needs to be built, what public travel facilities and systems need to be developed so that members of the public are at one with and actually benefit from the solutions......

The City and its environs & population are of a limited size that should make it possible to design something practical and innovative.

Get thinking, someone.... Just don't 'chip away' at the problem. It just reinforces preconceived ideas that people have.
I can imagine a time when York City centre won't have any private passenger vehicles passing through it at all. The real questions are: what needs to happen, what needs to be built, what public travel facilities and systems need to be developed so that members of the public are at one with and actually benefit from the solutions...... The City and its environs & population are of a limited size that should make it possible to design something practical and innovative. Get thinking, someone.... Just don't 'chip away' at the problem. It just reinforces preconceived ideas that people have. 24.2.1969bestcitygoalever...
  • Score: 46

4:03pm Thu 20 Feb 14

What's Up, Doc? says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
hey,whats up doc,try reading the article before jumping on the anti motorist bandwagon.it s about time that ycc realised that the income from car parks and motoring fines add up to a pretty penny.they are so short sighted in their persecution that they fail to see the consequences if no motorists came.hopefully they ll get a rude awakening when the new shopping centre opens.am i alone in thinking that labour/faux socialist councillors are the most dictatorial.
I'm not anti-motorist; I'm just anti-motorists who flout the law, same as with cyclists who flout the law.
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: hey,whats up doc,try reading the article before jumping on the anti motorist bandwagon.it s about time that ycc realised that the income from car parks and motoring fines add up to a pretty penny.they are so short sighted in their persecution that they fail to see the consequences if no motorists came.hopefully they ll get a rude awakening when the new shopping centre opens.am i alone in thinking that labour/faux socialist councillors are the most dictatorial.[/p][/quote]I'm not anti-motorist; I'm just anti-motorists who flout the law, same as with cyclists who flout the law. What's Up, Doc?
  • Score: 45

6:59pm Thu 20 Feb 14

bjb says...

I received a PCN for driving up Coppergate. The last time previously the restrictions stopped at 6pm. the night relating to the PCN was dark and raining. I crossed from the Pavement lights behind a bus. There was a bus waiting to cross from the other direction and several pedestrians skipping in front of the bus. I was aware there were signs and thought I was in compliance, however after receiving the PCN I checked the signs on foot and close up, and the only difference I could see was the 6 which was a couple of inches high had been changed to a 7. How on earth is anyone supposed to have spotted such a minor change under those circumstances?
I received a PCN for driving up Coppergate. The last time previously the restrictions stopped at 6pm. the night relating to the PCN was dark and raining. I crossed from the Pavement lights behind a bus. There was a bus waiting to cross from the other direction and several pedestrians skipping in front of the bus. I was aware there were signs and thought I was in compliance, however after receiving the PCN I checked the signs on foot and close up, and the only difference I could see was the 6 which was a couple of inches high had been changed to a 7. How on earth is anyone supposed to have spotted such a minor change under those circumstances? bjb
  • Score: -38

7:25pm Thu 20 Feb 14

DEKKA says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
Its quite clear the signs say almost exactly the opposite to what is intended. The signs say 'no motor vehicles' then below it says except buses and taxis between 7am and 7pm. Clearly no one who has commented so far has actually seen the signs. So no motor vehicles are allowed after 7pm until 7am. No doubt the council have messed this up and the legalities will perhaps be as they intended but the signs are almost exactly the opposite to what they wanted.
How does
No motor vehicles except buses and taxis between 7am and 7pm imply no motor vehicles between 7pm and 7am??
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: Its quite clear the signs say almost exactly the opposite to what is intended. The signs say 'no motor vehicles' then below it says except buses and taxis between 7am and 7pm. Clearly no one who has commented so far has actually seen the signs. So no motor vehicles are allowed after 7pm until 7am. No doubt the council have messed this up and the legalities will perhaps be as they intended but the signs are almost exactly the opposite to what they wanted.[/p][/quote]How does No motor vehicles except buses and taxis between 7am and 7pm imply no motor vehicles between 7pm and 7am?? DEKKA
  • Score: 44

8:15pm Thu 20 Feb 14

wallman says...

will the council tell us why the time was changed from 8am to 7am and when the signs stating this went up? bet they dont
will the council tell us why the time was changed from 8am to 7am and when the signs stating this went up? bet they dont wallman
  • Score: -18

9:15pm Thu 20 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

Intriguing that York's visionary Professor guru spoke of Coppergate as a "sword of damocles" running through the heart of what should be a totally traffic free area. So some want it closed full stop, and others want it open to all comers. Maybe the present daytime restrictions are a happy medium, giving priority to the most efficient users of road capacity.
Intriguing that York's visionary Professor guru spoke of Coppergate as a "sword of damocles" running through the heart of what should be a totally traffic free area. So some want it closed full stop, and others want it open to all comers. Maybe the present daytime restrictions are a happy medium, giving priority to the most efficient users of road capacity. pedalling paul
  • Score: 10

9:32pm Thu 20 Feb 14

bjb says...

CYC have not produced any data that supports the extension of the Coppergate restrictions. It can only be assumed that such changes were designed to fund the introduction of CCTV and provide a substantial income. York shops close and the town is deserted after 6pm and likewise before 8am. Most shops don't pen until 9am.
CYC have not produced any data that supports the extension of the Coppergate restrictions. It can only be assumed that such changes were designed to fund the introduction of CCTV and provide a substantial income. York shops close and the town is deserted after 6pm and likewise before 8am. Most shops don't pen until 9am. bjb
  • Score: 6

10:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

jake777 says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
well said but these idiots that are crying like little babies wont agree.
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]well said but these idiots that are crying like little babies wont agree. jake777
  • Score: -16

10:18pm Thu 20 Feb 14

jake777 says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
Rubbish!

The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access.

These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg

ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice!
again well said and to those who go to use piccadilly you might want to look closely as that is 24 hrs, due to the fact that it does not have a time restriction plate.
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access. These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice![/p][/quote]again well said and to those who go to use piccadilly you might want to look closely as that is 24 hrs, due to the fact that it does not have a time restriction plate. jake777
  • Score: 28

10:27pm Thu 20 Feb 14

jake777 says...

PKH wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
Rubbish!

The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access.

These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg


ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice!
Yes the signs have been there for years but the had 8am - 6pm on them until recently, also the roads leading to Coppergate from Stonebow etc. where the signage is much easier to read still have the 8am - 6pm restriction not the additional hours. I believe that anyone caught between 8am - 6pm does not 'have a leg to stand on' those caught by the extended hours of Coppergate have a very good case for the first 'offence'.
the signs you are referring to are not for coppergate they are for stonebow, which is still restricted between 8am and 6pm.
[quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access. These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice![/p][/quote]Yes the signs have been there for years but the had 8am - 6pm on them until recently, also the roads leading to Coppergate from Stonebow etc. where the signage is much easier to read still have the 8am - 6pm restriction not the additional hours. I believe that anyone caught between 8am - 6pm does not 'have a leg to stand on' those caught by the extended hours of Coppergate have a very good case for the first 'offence'.[/p][/quote]the signs you are referring to are not for coppergate they are for stonebow, which is still restricted between 8am and 6pm. jake777
  • Score: 30

10:33pm Thu 20 Feb 14

jake777 says...

chalkhouse wrote:
It is typical of a labour run council, anti car anti business..They have not got a clue. I went through the centre of York on August bank holiday Monday, I have not been through York city centre in a car for over 30 years and I did not see the sign in Coppergate and was surprised several days later to get a letter through the post from Northampton saying that I had been caught on camera and would have to pay £60. Motorists have enough to look out for, in fact on the day in question the lights at the top of Gillygate were not functioning properly so I came straight across and throught the centre of the City. There were drunken youths running all over the street near Betty`s, I bet they didn`t end up in court or get a fine. The fact is that it is just a fund raiser to pay for council staffs inflated salaries, pensions and payoffs.

C .H .Alky Foggathorpe
Rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]chalkhouse[/bold] wrote: It is typical of a labour run council, anti car anti business..They have not got a clue. I went through the centre of York on August bank holiday Monday, I have not been through York city centre in a car for over 30 years and I did not see the sign in Coppergate and was surprised several days later to get a letter through the post from Northampton saying that I had been caught on camera and would have to pay £60. Motorists have enough to look out for, in fact on the day in question the lights at the top of Gillygate were not functioning properly so I came straight across and throught the centre of the City. There were drunken youths running all over the street near Betty`s, I bet they didn`t end up in court or get a fine. The fact is that it is just a fund raiser to pay for council staffs inflated salaries, pensions and payoffs. C .H .Alky Foggathorpe[/p][/quote]Rubbish. jake777
  • Score: 24

11:45pm Thu 20 Feb 14

AnotherPointofView says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Intriguing that York's visionary Professor guru spoke of Coppergate as a "sword of damocles" running through the heart of what should be a totally traffic free area. So some want it closed full stop, and others want it open to all comers. Maybe the present daytime restrictions are a happy medium, giving priority to the most efficient users of road capacity.
Rubbish. How are taxis the most efficient users of road capacity? They will either have the driver only or mainly driver and one passenger. That's less efficient than a family car with parents and children.

Why should Coppergate be a totally traffic free area? That's also rubbish. How do you think the shops along Coppergate get their deliveries? I suppose you think the fairies magically deliver at night. Numpty!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Intriguing that York's visionary Professor guru spoke of Coppergate as a "sword of damocles" running through the heart of what should be a totally traffic free area. So some want it closed full stop, and others want it open to all comers. Maybe the present daytime restrictions are a happy medium, giving priority to the most efficient users of road capacity.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. How are taxis the most efficient users of road capacity? They will either have the driver only or mainly driver and one passenger. That's less efficient than a family car with parents and children. Why should Coppergate be a totally traffic free area? That's also rubbish. How do you think the shops along Coppergate get their deliveries? I suppose you think the fairies magically deliver at night. Numpty! AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -19

3:05am Fri 21 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Exactly... the only reason people are whining is because they can't take the shortcut anymore and get away with it. rising bollards causre more disruption to install and can fail - either taking out an authorised vehicle or failing to rise - and so cameras is the more reliable option.
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Exactly... the only reason people are whining is because they can't take the shortcut anymore and get away with it. rising bollards causre more disruption to install and can fail - either taking out an authorised vehicle or failing to rise - and so cameras is the more reliable option. Magicman!
  • Score: 21

9:48am Fri 21 Feb 14

Batman Begins says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Intriguing that York's visionary Professor guru spoke of Coppergate as a "sword of damocles" running through the heart of what should be a totally traffic free area. So some want it closed full stop, and others want it open to all comers. Maybe the present daytime restrictions are a happy medium, giving priority to the most efficient users of road capacity.
Or perhaps we should all use your tactic Paul and ride through red traffic lights and ignore road sign as if they were not there! Yes, I've seen you!

And before you label me a cycle hating fool, I use my Bat Bike more than my Batmobile in York these days!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Intriguing that York's visionary Professor guru spoke of Coppergate as a "sword of damocles" running through the heart of what should be a totally traffic free area. So some want it closed full stop, and others want it open to all comers. Maybe the present daytime restrictions are a happy medium, giving priority to the most efficient users of road capacity.[/p][/quote]Or perhaps we should all use your tactic Paul and ride through red traffic lights and ignore road sign as if they were not there! Yes, I've seen you! And before you label me a cycle hating fool, I use my Bat Bike more than my Batmobile in York these days! Batman Begins
  • Score: -40

4:42pm Fri 21 Feb 14

meme says...

whether right or wrong............ how did it cost £75,000 to put up cameras and signs?
whether right or wrong............ how did it cost £75,000 to put up cameras and signs? meme
  • Score: 8

5:53pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Cheeky face says...

I questioned the order of the words re Coppergate months ago. Still no response, despite several chase-ups by me; the last to Council leader last week.

The advance signs leading to Coppergate I think should have the times on them and be far enough away from entering Coppergate so that motorists have a chance to turn round.

I do not think the council advised residents of extended restrictions; and therefore the first PCN covering the extended hours should be appealable; with every chance of success. Nov 5th Press and a letter from Peter Elliott re same 10 days later should have pointed council to check their signage etc.

I believe shopkeepers/business
es in the Coppergate neighbourhood were not all informed.

Is Coppergate a bus lane/bus gate between 7am and 7pm?
I questioned the order of the words re Coppergate months ago. Still no response, despite several chase-ups by me; the last to Council leader last week. The advance signs leading to Coppergate I think should have the times on them and be far enough away from entering Coppergate so that motorists have a chance to turn round. I do not think the council advised residents of extended restrictions; and therefore the first PCN covering the extended hours should be appealable; with every chance of success. Nov 5th Press and a letter from Peter Elliott re same 10 days later should have pointed council to check their signage etc. I believe shopkeepers/business es in the Coppergate neighbourhood were not all informed. Is Coppergate a bus lane/bus gate between 7am and 7pm? Cheeky face
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Fri 21 Feb 14

PKH says...

jake777 wrote:
PKH wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
Rubbish!

The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access.

These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg



ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice!
Yes the signs have been there for years but the had 8am - 6pm on them until recently, also the roads leading to Coppergate from Stonebow etc. where the signage is much easier to read still have the 8am - 6pm restriction not the additional hours. I believe that anyone caught between 8am - 6pm does not 'have a leg to stand on' those caught by the extended hours of Coppergate have a very good case for the first 'offence'.
the signs you are referring to are not for coppergate they are for stonebow, which is still restricted between 8am and 6pm.
So you come up Stonebow legally get to Picadilly Coppergate junction, Picadilly is totally restricted where on earth are you supposed to go???
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access. These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice![/p][/quote]Yes the signs have been there for years but the had 8am - 6pm on them until recently, also the roads leading to Coppergate from Stonebow etc. where the signage is much easier to read still have the 8am - 6pm restriction not the additional hours. I believe that anyone caught between 8am - 6pm does not 'have a leg to stand on' those caught by the extended hours of Coppergate have a very good case for the first 'offence'.[/p][/quote]the signs you are referring to are not for coppergate they are for stonebow, which is still restricted between 8am and 6pm.[/p][/quote]So you come up Stonebow legally get to Picadilly Coppergate junction, Picadilly is totally restricted where on earth are you supposed to go??? PKH
  • Score: 1

12:40am Sat 22 Feb 14

jake777 says...

PKH wrote:
jake777 wrote:
PKH wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
Rubbish!

The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access.

These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg




ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice!
Yes the signs have been there for years but the had 8am - 6pm on them until recently, also the roads leading to Coppergate from Stonebow etc. where the signage is much easier to read still have the 8am - 6pm restriction not the additional hours. I believe that anyone caught between 8am - 6pm does not 'have a leg to stand on' those caught by the extended hours of Coppergate have a very good case for the first 'offence'.
the signs you are referring to are not for coppergate they are for stonebow, which is still restricted between 8am and 6pm.
So you come up Stonebow legally get to Picadilly Coppergate junction, Picadilly is totally restricted where on earth are you supposed to go???
You should not be in stonebow between 8am-6pm.
[quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access. These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice![/p][/quote]Yes the signs have been there for years but the had 8am - 6pm on them until recently, also the roads leading to Coppergate from Stonebow etc. where the signage is much easier to read still have the 8am - 6pm restriction not the additional hours. I believe that anyone caught between 8am - 6pm does not 'have a leg to stand on' those caught by the extended hours of Coppergate have a very good case for the first 'offence'.[/p][/quote]the signs you are referring to are not for coppergate they are for stonebow, which is still restricted between 8am and 6pm.[/p][/quote]So you come up Stonebow legally get to Picadilly Coppergate junction, Picadilly is totally restricted where on earth are you supposed to go???[/p][/quote]You should not be in stonebow between 8am-6pm. jake777
  • Score: 0

12:45am Sat 22 Feb 14

jake777 says...

Cheeky face wrote:
I questioned the order of the words re Coppergate months ago. Still no response, despite several chase-ups by me; the last to Council leader last week.

The advance signs leading to Coppergate I think should have the times on them and be far enough away from entering Coppergate so that motorists have a chance to turn round.

I do not think the council advised residents of extended restrictions; and therefore the first PCN covering the extended hours should be appealable; with every chance of success. Nov 5th Press and a letter from Peter Elliott re same 10 days later should have pointed council to check their signage etc.

I believe shopkeepers/business

es in the Coppergate neighbourhood were not all informed.

Is Coppergate a bus lane/bus gate between 7am and 7pm?
yes it is, as it has been for years, but now people are kicking off because they are been fined for it . Something that should of been done years ago.it is so simple dont go up or down between 7am-7pm.
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: I questioned the order of the words re Coppergate months ago. Still no response, despite several chase-ups by me; the last to Council leader last week. The advance signs leading to Coppergate I think should have the times on them and be far enough away from entering Coppergate so that motorists have a chance to turn round. I do not think the council advised residents of extended restrictions; and therefore the first PCN covering the extended hours should be appealable; with every chance of success. Nov 5th Press and a letter from Peter Elliott re same 10 days later should have pointed council to check their signage etc. I believe shopkeepers/business es in the Coppergate neighbourhood were not all informed. Is Coppergate a bus lane/bus gate between 7am and 7pm?[/p][/quote]yes it is, as it has been for years, but now people are kicking off because they are been fined for it . Something that should of been done years ago.it is so simple dont go up or down between 7am-7pm. jake777
  • Score: -2

12:50am Sat 22 Feb 14

jake777 says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Intriguing that York's visionary Professor guru spoke of Coppergate as a "sword of damocles" running through the heart of what should be a totally traffic free area. So some want it closed full stop, and others want it open to all comers. Maybe the present daytime restrictions are a happy medium, giving priority to the most efficient users of road capacity.
Rubbish. How are taxis the most efficient users of road capacity? They will either have the driver only or mainly driver and one passenger. That's less efficient than a family car with parents and children.

Why should Coppergate be a totally traffic free area? That's also rubbish. How do you think the shops along Coppergate get their deliveries? I suppose you think the fairies magically deliver at night. Numpty!
The shops get their deliveries between set times Numpty
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Intriguing that York's visionary Professor guru spoke of Coppergate as a "sword of damocles" running through the heart of what should be a totally traffic free area. So some want it closed full stop, and others want it open to all comers. Maybe the present daytime restrictions are a happy medium, giving priority to the most efficient users of road capacity.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. How are taxis the most efficient users of road capacity? They will either have the driver only or mainly driver and one passenger. That's less efficient than a family car with parents and children. Why should Coppergate be a totally traffic free area? That's also rubbish. How do you think the shops along Coppergate get their deliveries? I suppose you think the fairies magically deliver at night. Numpty![/p][/quote]The shops get their deliveries between set times Numpty jake777
  • Score: -6

3:51pm Sat 22 Feb 14

wallman says...

7am ? how many cars used to drive down Coppergate between 7 and 8 in the morning? Its a con to make money
7am ? how many cars used to drive down Coppergate between 7 and 8 in the morning? Its a con to make money wallman
  • Score: 1

6:49pm Sat 22 Feb 14

roclank2000 says...

jake777 wrote:
Cheeky face wrote:
I questioned the order of the words re Coppergate months ago. Still no response, despite several chase-ups by me; the last to Council leader last week.

The advance signs leading to Coppergate I think should have the times on them and be far enough away from entering Coppergate so that motorists have a chance to turn round.

I do not think the council advised residents of extended restrictions; and therefore the first PCN covering the extended hours should be appealable; with every chance of success. Nov 5th Press and a letter from Peter Elliott re same 10 days later should have pointed council to check their signage etc.

I believe shopkeepers/business


es in the Coppergate neighbourhood were not all informed.

Is Coppergate a bus lane/bus gate between 7am and 7pm?
yes it is, as it has been for years, but now people are kicking off because they are been fined for it . Something that should of been done years ago.it is so simple dont go up or down between 7am-7pm.
Yes it is, as it has been for years, but now people are "kicking off" because they are being fined for it; something that should have been done years ago. It is so simple: don't go up or down between 7am-7pm.
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: I questioned the order of the words re Coppergate months ago. Still no response, despite several chase-ups by me; the last to Council leader last week. The advance signs leading to Coppergate I think should have the times on them and be far enough away from entering Coppergate so that motorists have a chance to turn round. I do not think the council advised residents of extended restrictions; and therefore the first PCN covering the extended hours should be appealable; with every chance of success. Nov 5th Press and a letter from Peter Elliott re same 10 days later should have pointed council to check their signage etc. I believe shopkeepers/business es in the Coppergate neighbourhood were not all informed. Is Coppergate a bus lane/bus gate between 7am and 7pm?[/p][/quote]yes it is, as it has been for years, but now people are kicking off because they are been fined for it . Something that should of been done years ago.it is so simple dont go up or down between 7am-7pm.[/p][/quote]Yes it is, as it has been for years, but now people are "kicking off" because they are being fined for it; something that should have been done years ago. It is so simple: don't go up or down between 7am-7pm. roclank2000
  • Score: 5

10:12am Mon 24 Feb 14

eeoodares says...

maybejustmaybe wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
maybejustmaybe wrote:
Once CYC have finished resurfacing Goodramgate, are they going to put up ANPR cameras to to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on that street?
Wow, the levels of intolerance people like you show is staggering.

Will you be happy only when there are no shops, no shoppers and no traffic?

What difference does it make to you when someone parks up for 5 minutes to drop off or pick something from a shop?
Will that excuse work for crossing Lendal bridge? I dont think so. Why should it work for the people blatantly driving into the footstreet area?
I never made an excuse, I was pointing out that you are totally intolerant, I was highlighting that people like you like to impose rules and regulations on people with no care on how it impacts their lives.
I will repeat what I said so that you might be able to grasp it.

Wow, the levels of intolerance people like you show is staggering.

Will you be happy only when there are no shops, no shoppers and no traffic?

What difference does it make to you when someone parks up for 5 minutes to drop off or pick something from a shop?


Clear enough for you?
[quote][p][bold]maybejustmaybe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maybejustmaybe[/bold] wrote: Once CYC have finished resurfacing Goodramgate, are they going to put up ANPR cameras to to clamp down on illegal use of, and parking on that street?[/p][/quote]Wow, the levels of intolerance people like you show is staggering. Will you be happy only when there are no shops, no shoppers and no traffic? What difference does it make to you when someone parks up for 5 minutes to drop off or pick something from a shop?[/p][/quote]Will that excuse work for crossing Lendal bridge? I dont think so. Why should it work for the people blatantly driving into the footstreet area?[/p][/quote]I never made an excuse, I was pointing out that you are totally intolerant, I was highlighting that people like you like to impose rules and regulations on people with no care on how it impacts their lives. I will repeat what I said so that you might be able to grasp it. Wow, the levels of intolerance people like you show is staggering. Will you be happy only when there are no shops, no shoppers and no traffic? What difference does it make to you when someone parks up for 5 minutes to drop off or pick something from a shop? Clear enough for you? eeoodares
  • Score: 4

11:20pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Starboard22 says...

I hope he didn't drive over Lendal Bridge ha ha, now that would be something.
I hope he didn't drive over Lendal Bridge ha ha, now that would be something. Starboard22
  • Score: 0

11:25am Tue 25 Feb 14

Pinza-C55 says...

meme wrote:
whether right or wrong............ how did it cost £75,000 to put up cameras and signs?
Because it was done by the Council who , like all Councils , waste money. You might as well ask how their proposed repaving of the square outside the art gallery could possibly cost £1 million?
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: whether right or wrong............ how did it cost £75,000 to put up cameras and signs?[/p][/quote]Because it was done by the Council who , like all Councils , waste money. You might as well ask how their proposed repaving of the square outside the art gallery could possibly cost £1 million? Pinza-C55
  • Score: 0

6:47pm Tue 25 Feb 14

PKH says...

jake777 wrote:
PKH wrote:
jake777 wrote:
PKH wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes.

There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really!
Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.
Rubbish!

The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access.

These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg





ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice!
Yes the signs have been there for years but the had 8am - 6pm on them until recently, also the roads leading to Coppergate from Stonebow etc. where the signage is much easier to read still have the 8am - 6pm restriction not the additional hours. I believe that anyone caught between 8am - 6pm does not 'have a leg to stand on' those caught by the extended hours of Coppergate have a very good case for the first 'offence'.
the signs you are referring to are not for coppergate they are for stonebow, which is still restricted between 8am and 6pm.
So you come up Stonebow legally get to Picadilly Coppergate junction, Picadilly is totally restricted where on earth are you supposed to go???
You should not be in stonebow between 8am-6pm.
I did not say you could but you can between 7am-8am and 6pm-7pm, I would respectfully suggested you re-read my original post instead of jumping in with both feet. I will reiterate when it is legal to go up Stonebow for the 1 hour in the morning and the evening when Coppergate is restricted when you arrive at the junction where are you supposed to go.
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: I really hope the traffic adjudicator sees sense just because there are some motorists too idle to take appropriate routes. There have been traffic restrictions for years, it is just that motorists have got away with due to lack of policing. Now the 'real' policeman has been replaced by an ANPR camera, motorists cannot get away with it. Well, tough, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Quite simple, really![/p][/quote]Hey Doc. Have another read through the article , and you will realise it is the signage, and the way it was implemented, that is the point in question, by Mr Bough. But no, you have jumped in with both feet, with your "if you can't do the time, blah blah blah". This is typical of lots of comments regarding Coppergate, and Lendal bridge too. You just don't read the article, before you are posting your total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The signs are there and have been for years. They are, in my opinion, adequate and are clear. Just in case you are unaware, a red circular sign, with a white background, showing the silhouettes of a motor cycle over a car, mean no motor vehicles except for access. A shortcut because you are either lazy or retarded does not construe access. These signs are also displayed at the Piccadilly/Merchantg ate and Stonebow/Hungate junctions. If motorists had obeyed these in the first place, there would be no need to dispute the Coppergate penalty notice![/p][/quote]Yes the signs have been there for years but the had 8am - 6pm on them until recently, also the roads leading to Coppergate from Stonebow etc. where the signage is much easier to read still have the 8am - 6pm restriction not the additional hours. I believe that anyone caught between 8am - 6pm does not 'have a leg to stand on' those caught by the extended hours of Coppergate have a very good case for the first 'offence'.[/p][/quote]the signs you are referring to are not for coppergate they are for stonebow, which is still restricted between 8am and 6pm.[/p][/quote]So you come up Stonebow legally get to Picadilly Coppergate junction, Picadilly is totally restricted where on earth are you supposed to go???[/p][/quote]You should not be in stonebow between 8am-6pm.[/p][/quote]I did not say you could but you can between 7am-8am and 6pm-7pm, I would respectfully suggested you re-read my original post instead of jumping in with both feet. I will reiterate when it is legal to go up Stonebow for the 1 hour in the morning and the evening when Coppergate is restricted when you arrive at the junction where are you supposed to go. PKH
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6:49pm Tue 25 Feb 14

PKH says...

jake777 wrote:
Cheeky face wrote:
I questioned the order of the words re Coppergate months ago. Still no response, despite several chase-ups by me; the last to Council leader last week.

The advance signs leading to Coppergate I think should have the times on them and be far enough away from entering Coppergate so that motorists have a chance to turn round.

I do not think the council advised residents of extended restrictions; and therefore the first PCN covering the extended hours should be appealable; with every chance of success. Nov 5th Press and a letter from Peter Elliott re same 10 days later should have pointed council to check their signage etc.

I believe shopkeepers/business


es in the Coppergate neighbourhood were not all informed.

Is Coppergate a bus lane/bus gate between 7am and 7pm?
yes it is, as it has been for years, but now people are kicking off because they are been fined for it . Something that should of been done years ago.it is so simple dont go up or down between 7am-7pm.
It has not been for years as it used to be between 8am-6pm
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: I questioned the order of the words re Coppergate months ago. Still no response, despite several chase-ups by me; the last to Council leader last week. The advance signs leading to Coppergate I think should have the times on them and be far enough away from entering Coppergate so that motorists have a chance to turn round. I do not think the council advised residents of extended restrictions; and therefore the first PCN covering the extended hours should be appealable; with every chance of success. Nov 5th Press and a letter from Peter Elliott re same 10 days later should have pointed council to check their signage etc. I believe shopkeepers/business es in the Coppergate neighbourhood were not all informed. Is Coppergate a bus lane/bus gate between 7am and 7pm?[/p][/quote]yes it is, as it has been for years, but now people are kicking off because they are been fined for it . Something that should of been done years ago.it is so simple dont go up or down between 7am-7pm.[/p][/quote]It has not been for years as it used to be between 8am-6pm PKH
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