Match report: York City 0, Torquay United 2

York Press: York City man of the match Danny Kearns is beaten to the ball by Torquay’s Ryan Jarvis as manager Gary Mills looks on York City man of the match Danny Kearns is beaten to the ball by Torquay’s Ryan Jarvis as manager Gary Mills looks on

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AT what point does a drama become a crisis?

Not yet, insists York City manager Gary Mills, even though he is presiding over the stickiest spell in his two-year reign at Bootham Crescent.

A 2-0 defeat against Torquay stretched the Minstermen’s run without a win to seven games but, to clutch at the positives, the performance was nowhere near as bad as the AFC Wimbledon debacle the last time this side suffered home discomfort.

The Gulls had three shots on target, scored two of them, and then hunkered down as York largely controlled possession and made the better chances.

But while it is said there are lies, damned lies and statistics, some also cannot be disputed.

Mills’ men are painfully struggling to get results in front of their increasingly frustrated supporters.

Two wins from ten npower League Two matches is hardly the sort of form to propel City into the top half of the table.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and, given the chance again, Mills might think differently about starting a midfield trio consisting of two defenders in Lanre Oyebanjo and Daniel Parslow and a winger in Matty Blair.

He was quick to change that set-up at half-time.

By then, York had made it easy for the Gulls to get a foothold in a game which they should not have had any real part in. Despite their victory, they still looked like a side that hadn’t won in their last four.

As the first half wore on, things began to get better for City. More play and more penetration followed and, once Scott Kerr came on at the start of the second period, and Jon Challinor was pushed into midfield with Oyebanjo dropping back into the defence, City began to boss the encounter.

By the time Mills pulled out the big guns, and Jason Walker and Ashley Chambers had settled into the fray, there was only one attacking force in the match.

But by then the points had already gone and to two simple goals that would have embarrassed York’s players had they been conceded on the training ground.

Danny Stevens collected Kevin Nicholson’s low cross from the left in the tenth minute and was in such space he had time to take a controlling touch before stabbing his finish coolly past Michael Ingham and into the ’keeper’s left corner.

The second came in equally disappointing circumstances on the hour mark.

Billy Bodin’s slide-rule pass put in Rene Howe on the left side of the area and, after he rode Oyebanjo’s desperate challenge, he played a simple pass across goal to Joe Oastler, who flicked the ball into the net from six yards.

It had been 20 minutes before City staged their first proper attack – Blair driving down the centre of the pitch before releasing Danny Kearns.

His shot was straight at Michael Poke but the offside flag had already been raised.

Poke then gathered a firm 20-yard shot from Oyebanjo at his near post at the second time of asking while, at the other end, Challinor executed a perfectly timed challenge to deny Stevens a second strike at goal.

York found more fluency as the half wore on – gradually wrestling more and more possession even though they were unable to seriously test Poke in the Torquay net.

Parslow made way for Kerr at half-time as Mills re-jigged his midfield and City were immediately further on the front foot.

The former Lincoln midfielder drove forward, and got Challinor involved, before Alex Rodman fired a shot from 12 yards that squeezed past Poke for a corner.

The on-loan forward worked the Torquay custodian again on 55 minutes. His shot from the left was parried away towards Blair six yards out but last season’s leading scorer was unable to find a telling touch goalwards.

Jamie Reed glanced a header just wide of the right hand post – his only meaningful contribution in front of goal on a frustrating day and, as he made way for Walker, Torquay struck the crucial second blow.

York continued to create.

Kearns had a penalty shout waved away on 65 minutes after going down heavily in the area when challenged by Oastler, and Challinor had a header cleared off the line by Poke after the ’keeper had earlier palmed Kearns’ shot behind following some neat play with Walker.

But as Torquay successfully protected their advantage it was City, like the boxer Ricky Hatton, who were left reeling from another knockout blow.

 

Match facts

York City 0, Torquay United 2 (Stevens 10; Oastler 61)

York City

Michael Ingham 6
Little to do except pick the ball out of the net twice.

Jon Challinor 6
Moved into midfield in the second half after starting at right-back. Turned a couple of times early on but did better when forward.

Chris Smith 6
Recovered from virus to play and suffered nervous moments early on. Competent afterwards.

Chris Doig 6
Worked hard in the air and on the deck. Coped adequately.

Jamal Fyfield 5
Promising opening with Oyebanjo down the left side but couldn’t push on from that.

Lanre Oyebanjo 6
York’s main attacking threat in first half, moved in to right-back after the break.

Daniel Parslow 5
Struggled to get a grip of the game in middle of the park. Unusually wayward with a couple of passes. Subbed at half-time.

Matty Blair 5
Worked hard and always energetic but little came off for him.

Alex Rodman 6
Worked the Torquay ’keeper on a couple of occasions in the second half but was then substituted.

Jamie Reed 5
A glancing header wide, right before his substitution, was his only real contribution on a difficult day.

Danny Kearns 7
STAR MAN – complicates matters by trying to do too much at times but looked the man who might get City back into the game.

Subs: Scott Kerr (Parslow 46) – instant direction 7; Ashley Chambers (Rodman 59) – scant contribution 5; Jason Walker (Reed 59) – more impact. Not used: Musselwhite, McGurk, McLaughlin, Blanchett.

Torquay United

Michael Poke, Joe Oastler, Brian Saah, Aaron Downes, Kevin Nicholson, Billy Bodin, Craig Easton, Nathan Craig, Danny Stevens (Thomas Cruise 82), Ryan Jarvis (Damon Lathrope 76), Rene Howe (Saul Halpin 89). Subs not used: Martin Rice, Angus MacDonald, Ashley Yeoman, Niall Thompson.

Star man: Saah – gave Jamie Reed no quarter.

Referee: Rob Lewis (Shrewsbury).

Rating: 7/10 – angered home fans by waving away penalty shout, but firm otherwise.

Booked: Oastler 73, Howe 86.

Sent off: None.

Attendance: 3,174 (255 from Torquay).

Shots on target: City 6, Torquay 3.

Shots off target: City 5, Torquay 3.

Corners: City 9, Torquay 2.

Fouls conceded: City 8, Torquay 13.

Offsides: City 2, Torquay 0.

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5:44pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Theapplesarecoming says...

Unfortunate but Thought rodman played great today and although we did not win its obvious how much he wants to be in the team and he got some decent chances on goal, I hope we sign him in the end , rodman your more than welcome at the club! My motm out of an unfortunate York result today!
Unfortunate but Thought rodman played great today and although we did not win its obvious how much he wants to be in the team and he got some decent chances on goal, I hope we sign him in the end , rodman your more than welcome at the club! My motm out of an unfortunate York result today! Theapplesarecoming
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5:52pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Pweeter23 says...

Rodman mom ??? First half anonymous, marginally better second half. Thought challinor or kearns were mom today, best of a bad bunch.
Smith should be dropped along with fyfield, who in my opinion should only get a game away from home. Totally ineffective at home when the onus is on him to help out with the attacks
Rodman mom ??? First half anonymous, marginally better second half. Thought challinor or kearns were mom today, best of a bad bunch. Smith should be dropped along with fyfield, who in my opinion should only get a game away from home. Totally ineffective at home when the onus is on him to help out with the attacks Pweeter23
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6:06pm Sat 24 Nov 12

YorkCityLuke says...

They won because they got two chances and put them away - we can't avoid that, and both goals could/should have been stopped by our defense, but weren't.

On the other hand, we had so much possession - and shots on target - that I personally left feeling like we should have got at least something out of the game. The ref was just dire - not an excuse for the goals we conceded, but he certainly should have given a penalty (or two) which would have got us back in the game.

Home form needs to improve.
They won because they got two chances and put them away - we can't avoid that, and both goals could/should have been stopped by our defense, but weren't. On the other hand, we had so much possession - and shots on target - that I personally left feeling like we should have got at least something out of the game. The ref was just dire - not an excuse for the goals we conceded, but he certainly should have given a penalty (or two) which would have got us back in the game. Home form needs to improve. YorkCityLuke
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6:26pm Sat 24 Nov 12

openallhours says...

Don't care what anybody says, we have big problems that need sorting or Gary's gonna take us a long long way again - back to non league football!
Don't care what anybody says, we have big problems that need sorting or Gary's gonna take us a long long way again - back to non league football! openallhours
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6:40pm Sat 24 Nov 12

duffy says...

Here we go again. First of all I'm going to take Mills to task on the decision to play Parslow in midfield, why do we need a holding midfield player who contributed absolutely nothing against a poor team like that.?
People keep saying this team is good enough to do well in this league, well it's not and its now showing big time. The ( conference) defence looks like conceading every time the opposition have an attack, we are also way too lightweight in both midfield and attack, we desperately need some beef up front. Terrible first half with Blair having to come into the middle to support Parslow instead of staying out wide. At least when Kerr came on he went wider but he simply can't beat a man at this level. I though Oyebanjo and Fyfield did well down the left, nothing came down the right first half. Smith and Doig were all over the place most of the time. Kearns was again head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch.
Sorry Mr Mills you have to change things at home because you're costing us points with this stubborn attitude and we have to start winning games. We are not going to trouble the top half regardless, the team is simply not strong enough to do that. However we are now in danger of looking down the other way.
Here we go again. First of all I'm going to take Mills to task on the decision to play Parslow in midfield, why do we need a holding midfield player who contributed absolutely nothing against a poor team like that.? People keep saying this team is good enough to do well in this league, well it's not and its now showing big time. The ( conference) defence looks like conceading every time the opposition have an attack, we are also way too lightweight in both midfield and attack, we desperately need some beef up front. Terrible first half with Blair having to come into the middle to support Parslow instead of staying out wide. At least when Kerr came on he went wider but he simply can't beat a man at this level. I though Oyebanjo and Fyfield did well down the left, nothing came down the right first half. Smith and Doig were all over the place most of the time. Kearns was again head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch. Sorry Mr Mills you have to change things at home because you're costing us points with this stubborn attitude and we have to start winning games. We are not going to trouble the top half regardless, the team is simply not strong enough to do that. However we are now in danger of looking down the other way. duffy
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6:53pm Sat 24 Nov 12

redbluelion says...

This home has got to change its become a joke now.every team that comes here scores..and we fail again and again.im sick to death of hearing people bang on about the poor referee costing us games its nothing to do with that,its to do with the way mills sets us up to play games at home.and its not good enough..if it wasn't for our away form we would be bottom of the league by now.time to change it mills.i won't be going again to watch us lose another game because we can't score.
This home has got to change its become a joke now.every team that comes here scores..and we fail again and again.im sick to death of hearing people bang on about the poor referee costing us games its nothing to do with that,its to do with the way mills sets us up to play games at home.and its not good enough..if it wasn't for our away form we would be bottom of the league by now.time to change it mills.i won't be going again to watch us lose another game because we can't score. redbluelion
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7:19pm Sat 24 Nov 12

ian923 says...

Have to agree with Duffy about the lightweight midfield and attack . Reedy had to out wide and try to get the ball and never got in the game.Danny P unfortunately had a mare and Scott Kerr improved things but not to any great degree .Kearns easily city MOM and never stopped running.Defence left holes which cost the game. All set pieces ineffective-. poor all round performance against a mediocre team. If possible we need to sign Kearns and a quality tall and hefty forward in January to compete seriously in this league.I love the club and sure GM is the right manager for us but a number of our players need to step up particularly at home because on performances like this crowds will fall dramatically -we can,t afford to let that happen.
Have to agree with Duffy about the lightweight midfield and attack . Reedy had to out wide and try to get the ball and never got in the game.Danny P unfortunately had a mare and Scott Kerr improved things but not to any great degree .Kearns easily city MOM and never stopped running.Defence left holes which cost the game. All set pieces ineffective-. poor all round performance against a mediocre team. If possible we need to sign Kearns and a quality tall and hefty forward in January to compete seriously in this league.I love the club and sure GM is the right manager for us but a number of our players need to step up particularly at home because on performances like this crowds will fall dramatically -we can,t afford to let that happen. ian923
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7:23pm Sat 24 Nov 12

OLD - HEAD says...

We have seen far better teams than Torquay United at Bootham Crescent this season. But to be honest they didnt need to be brilliant to beat a poor York City team. Torquay scored two simple goals, virtually unchallenged. Our first half display brought back memories of the Wimbledon shambles. Danny Parslow was really struggling today and it was obvious that Scott Kerr would soon replace him. Second half we did better without managing to turn pressure into goals. No crowd reaction at the end, just sheer disappointment. So our poor home form continues, and to be honest I can not see a quick fix. No doubt there will still be people out there who believe that we can reach the play-offs - "They need to get back into the real world", for this season is all about keeping away from the drop zone.
We have seen far better teams than Torquay United at Bootham Crescent this season. But to be honest they didnt need to be brilliant to beat a poor York City team. Torquay scored two simple goals, virtually unchallenged. Our first half display brought back memories of the Wimbledon shambles. Danny Parslow was really struggling today and it was obvious that Scott Kerr would soon replace him. Second half we did better without managing to turn pressure into goals. No crowd reaction at the end, just sheer disappointment. So our poor home form continues, and to be honest I can not see a quick fix. No doubt there will still be people out there who believe that we can reach the play-offs - "They need to get back into the real world", for this season is all about keeping away from the drop zone. OLD - HEAD
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7:27pm Sat 24 Nov 12

dazthecat says...

Not a great performance but I don't think there's any need to go overboard. Big improvement in second half and had we taken a couple of chances people's views would be different I'm sure, unfortunately though that seems to be the case most weeks. We're in a slump which was always going to happen but I'm still confident we'll get out of it sooner or later.

Thought rodman looked good today and it always look like something might happen when kearns gets the ball, my worry is how we'll get on when he goes back to Posh.

Sorry to anyone looking to blame the ref, i was very close to the penalty claim everyone was up in arms about and there was no way it was anything other than a fantastic challenge by their full back
Not a great performance but I don't think there's any need to go overboard. Big improvement in second half and had we taken a couple of chances people's views would be different I'm sure, unfortunately though that seems to be the case most weeks. We're in a slump which was always going to happen but I'm still confident we'll get out of it sooner or later. Thought rodman looked good today and it always look like something might happen when kearns gets the ball, my worry is how we'll get on when he goes back to Posh. Sorry to anyone looking to blame the ref, i was very close to the penalty claim everyone was up in arms about and there was no way it was anything other than a fantastic challenge by their full back dazthecat
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7:34pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Fergie says...

Quite simple realy put players in their correct positions and we may have a chance. Fast losing patience with Mills, done great to get us up but too much tinkering at home and the 451!!! Sorry we are at home may work away but we have to do 4-4-2 at home. Sort it Mills or we may be heading back to the conference not good enough!
Quite simple realy put players in their correct positions and we may have a chance. Fast losing patience with Mills, done great to get us up but too much tinkering at home and the 451!!! Sorry we are at home may work away but we have to do 4-4-2 at home. Sort it Mills or we may be heading back to the conference not good enough! Fergie
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7:48pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Baggy Y Fronts says...

I'm very disappointed tonight. It didn't look too bad a team to put out at first but whilst I'm a big fan of GM he dropped a clanger playing the lads out of position. How many matches does it take to realise Matty isn't a central midfielder. That first half was at best lacklustre, no tempo, no options for the player on the ball and giving away possession. GM made really good changes at half time and we looked a different side, we had a good shape, movement, tempo and then, when we were well on top GM made mistake number 2, a double sub. We weren't the same after that. Why take off the two lads who got us out of jail last week, reedy on a streak and rodders who started looking dangerous I can't guess. Walker looked ok when he came on but I'm afraid mr mills it really is time to stop being stubborn and look at 442 to support the lone man up front at home cos 451 isn't working. I do believe we have a great team with a superb manager, the right man in charge, but its time to look at the system at home otherwise we will start looking at the wrong end of the table. COYR
I'm very disappointed tonight. It didn't look too bad a team to put out at first but whilst I'm a big fan of GM he dropped a clanger playing the lads out of position. How many matches does it take to realise Matty isn't a central midfielder. That first half was at best lacklustre, no tempo, no options for the player on the ball and giving away possession. GM made really good changes at half time and we looked a different side, we had a good shape, movement, tempo and then, when we were well on top GM made mistake number 2, a double sub. We weren't the same after that. Why take off the two lads who got us out of jail last week, reedy on a streak and rodders who started looking dangerous I can't guess. Walker looked ok when he came on but I'm afraid mr mills it really is time to stop being stubborn and look at 442 to support the lone man up front at home cos 451 isn't working. I do believe we have a great team with a superb manager, the right man in charge, but its time to look at the system at home otherwise we will start looking at the wrong end of the table. COYR Baggy Y Fronts
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8:24pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Jo1971 says...

Impressed with Rodman today, think he will get better with more game time. Challoner had a good game and Kearns MOM for me. This season for me was always going to need a time to adjust and really don't see any reason to panic. We've had some great times last season and got some bad times now. Need to stick together and Gary Mills will continue the good times again...
Impressed with Rodman today, think he will get better with more game time. Challoner had a good game and Kearns MOM for me. This season for me was always going to need a time to adjust and really don't see any reason to panic. We've had some great times last season and got some bad times now. Need to stick together and Gary Mills will continue the good times again... Jo1971
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8:26pm Sat 24 Nov 12

cityforthepremier says...

duffy wrote:
Here we go again. First of all I'm going to take Mills to task on the decision to play Parslow in midfield, why do we need a holding midfield player who contributed absolutely nothing against a poor team like that.?
People keep saying this team is good enough to do well in this league, well it's not and its now showing big time. The ( conference) defence looks like conceading every time the opposition have an attack, we are also way too lightweight in both midfield and attack, we desperately need some beef up front. Terrible first half with Blair having to come into the middle to support Parslow instead of staying out wide. At least when Kerr came on he went wider but he simply can't beat a man at this level. I though Oyebanjo and Fyfield did well down the left, nothing came down the right first half. Smith and Doig were all over the place most of the time. Kearns was again head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch.
Sorry Mr Mills you have to change things at home because you're costing us points with this stubborn attitude and we have to start winning games. We are not going to trouble the top half regardless, the team is simply not strong enough to do that. However we are now in danger of looking down the other way.
Blair having to come inside to support Parslow? Did you not take any notice of the formation & realise that Kearns was actually the wide player & Blair was playing inside off Parslow along with Oyebanjo?
[quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: Here we go again. First of all I'm going to take Mills to task on the decision to play Parslow in midfield, why do we need a holding midfield player who contributed absolutely nothing against a poor team like that.? People keep saying this team is good enough to do well in this league, well it's not and its now showing big time. The ( conference) defence looks like conceading every time the opposition have an attack, we are also way too lightweight in both midfield and attack, we desperately need some beef up front. Terrible first half with Blair having to come into the middle to support Parslow instead of staying out wide. At least when Kerr came on he went wider but he simply can't beat a man at this level. I though Oyebanjo and Fyfield did well down the left, nothing came down the right first half. Smith and Doig were all over the place most of the time. Kearns was again head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch. Sorry Mr Mills you have to change things at home because you're costing us points with this stubborn attitude and we have to start winning games. We are not going to trouble the top half regardless, the team is simply not strong enough to do that. However we are now in danger of looking down the other way.[/p][/quote]Blair having to come inside to support Parslow? Did you not take any notice of the formation & realise that Kearns was actually the wide player & Blair was playing inside off Parslow along with Oyebanjo? cityforthepremier
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8:38pm Sat 24 Nov 12

duffy says...

cityforthepremier wrote:
duffy wrote:
Here we go again. First of all I'm going to take Mills to task on the decision to play Parslow in midfield, why do we need a holding midfield player who contributed absolutely nothing against a poor team like that.?
People keep saying this team is good enough to do well in this league, well it's not and its now showing big time. The ( conference) defence looks like conceading every time the opposition have an attack, we are also way too lightweight in both midfield and attack, we desperately need some beef up front. Terrible first half with Blair having to come into the middle to support Parslow instead of staying out wide. At least when Kerr came on he went wider but he simply can't beat a man at this level. I though Oyebanjo and Fyfield did well down the left, nothing came down the right first half. Smith and Doig were all over the place most of the time. Kearns was again head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch.
Sorry Mr Mills you have to change things at home because you're costing us points with this stubborn attitude and we have to start winning games. We are not going to trouble the top half regardless, the team is simply not strong enough to do that. However we are now in danger of looking down the other way.
Blair having to come inside to support Parslow? Did you not take any notice of the formation & realise that Kearns was actually the wide player & Blair was playing inside off Parslow along with Oyebanjo?
Yes I did and ok maybe I did not word that correctly but my point was we had to pull Blair into the middle just because Parslow was also playing there. Interesting that as soon as Kerr came on he was no longer needed and could be pushed back out to his normal position. I guess you were happy with everything ?
[quote][p][bold]cityforthepremier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: Here we go again. First of all I'm going to take Mills to task on the decision to play Parslow in midfield, why do we need a holding midfield player who contributed absolutely nothing against a poor team like that.? People keep saying this team is good enough to do well in this league, well it's not and its now showing big time. The ( conference) defence looks like conceading every time the opposition have an attack, we are also way too lightweight in both midfield and attack, we desperately need some beef up front. Terrible first half with Blair having to come into the middle to support Parslow instead of staying out wide. At least when Kerr came on he went wider but he simply can't beat a man at this level. I though Oyebanjo and Fyfield did well down the left, nothing came down the right first half. Smith and Doig were all over the place most of the time. Kearns was again head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch. Sorry Mr Mills you have to change things at home because you're costing us points with this stubborn attitude and we have to start winning games. We are not going to trouble the top half regardless, the team is simply not strong enough to do that. However we are now in danger of looking down the other way.[/p][/quote]Blair having to come inside to support Parslow? Did you not take any notice of the formation & realise that Kearns was actually the wide player & Blair was playing inside off Parslow along with Oyebanjo?[/p][/quote]Yes I did and ok maybe I did not word that correctly but my point was we had to pull Blair into the middle just because Parslow was also playing there. Interesting that as soon as Kerr came on he was no longer needed and could be pushed back out to his normal position. I guess you were happy with everything ? duffy
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8:53pm Sat 24 Nov 12

alimount says...

I just can't understand how the same team that outclassed Port Vale in every position last week, can lose to such a mediocre team at home today! Something isn't right...
I just can't understand how the same team that outclassed Port Vale in every position last week, can lose to such a mediocre team at home today! Something isn't right... alimount
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8:57pm Sat 24 Nov 12

twang says...

Not good enough, players out of position, Players brought in, sent out on loan cos there not good enough, without Kerns and Rodwell, Coulson (hope its going wel Michael we look desparate without you) its the same team as last year, Good ish conference side but just not good enough for league 2.
Every forward movement for the opposition and you hold your breath hoping they dont score. too much possesion without anything else. loosing my patience with Gary Mills, not playing people in position, unable to bring in new blood which is better, then sending them out on loan.

Another £17 quid, 160 miles worth of time and petrol up the spout.

Get it sorted.

Rant over, on to Rochdale
Not good enough, players out of position, Players brought in, sent out on loan cos there not good enough, without Kerns and Rodwell, Coulson (hope its going wel Michael we look desparate without you) its the same team as last year, Good ish conference side but just not good enough for league 2. Every forward movement for the opposition and you hold your breath hoping they dont score. too much possesion without anything else. loosing my patience with Gary Mills, not playing people in position, unable to bring in new blood which is better, then sending them out on loan. Another £17 quid, 160 miles worth of time and petrol up the spout. Get it sorted. Rant over, on to Rochdale twang
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9:08pm Sat 24 Nov 12

openallhours says...

Challinor - a try hard who should perhaps drop down a league or two to prolong his career

Smith - nice bloke but not good enough for 4th Div

Kearns - shocker today (won't pass the ball at the right time to the right player) and gone in Jan

Parslow - over-rated and out of his depth at this level

Kerr - past it at this level

Chambers - say no more

Rodman - ask your mate Rankine if he'll swap with you

Des Lyttle - an absolute joke of an individual who's wages would be better spent on a player

Ingham - great servant but maybe tired of the surroundings

Gary Mills - after the last 5 home games, are we not missing; J Smith, Bullock, Paddy Mac, TY, Potts and even Henderson etc...?

Some difficult fixtures coming up and on this form it won't be a happy new year.

I've never predicted a York defeat and never will. I don't expect miracles and I'm realistic about where we are.

But I would argue that a different manager (with Football League experience) would make a better job of the resources that we have to offer.
Challinor - a try hard who should perhaps drop down a league or two to prolong his career Smith - nice bloke but not good enough for 4th Div Kearns - shocker today (won't pass the ball at the right time to the right player) and gone in Jan Parslow - over-rated and out of his depth at this level Kerr - past it at this level Chambers - say no more Rodman - ask your mate Rankine if he'll swap with you Des Lyttle - an absolute joke of an individual who's wages would be better spent on a player Ingham - great servant but maybe tired of the surroundings Gary Mills - after the last 5 home games, are we not missing; J Smith, Bullock, Paddy Mac, TY, Potts and even Henderson etc...? Some difficult fixtures coming up and on this form it won't be a happy new year. I've never predicted a York defeat and never will. I don't expect miracles and I'm realistic about where we are. But I would argue that a different manager (with Football League experience) would make a better job of the resources that we have to offer. openallhours
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9:11pm Sat 24 Nov 12

PDH says...

simple as we have so many players, use (rotate) the squad and use them in their correct positions, in 442 at home and 433 / 451 away.
Attack at home, counter attack away.

Then league 1 here we come!!!!!!
simple as we have so many players, use (rotate) the squad and use them in their correct positions, in 442 at home and 433 / 451 away. Attack at home, counter attack away. Then league 1 here we come!!!!!! PDH
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9:12pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Whitleyred says...

I think it's fair to say that the reality that is Division 2 now has bitten both the players & the management, given GM's post match interview. A significant challenge now lays ahead for GM & his squad to eke out 3 points from somewhere and get the self-belief back into the camp.

Playing at 'The Crescent' appears to be fast becoming somewhat of a mental barrier. This was a game, given Torquay's recent form I would have expected us to win.

I have now downwardly revised my opinion as to expectations for this season. Anywhere above the bottom 2 will be just fine for me, because from a hardened financial perspective we can only make plans to deliver what is required to compete & succeed in this division if we are actually in it next season!!

Be interested to know what other's definition of success would be for this season & how we can get those elusive wins....
I think it's fair to say that the reality that is Division 2 now has bitten both the players & the management, given GM's post match interview. A significant challenge now lays ahead for GM & his squad to eke out 3 points from somewhere and get the self-belief back into the camp. Playing at 'The Crescent' appears to be fast becoming somewhat of a mental barrier. This was a game, given Torquay's recent form I would have expected us to win. I have now downwardly revised my opinion as to expectations for this season. Anywhere above the bottom 2 will be just fine for me, because from a hardened financial perspective we can only make plans to deliver what is required to compete & succeed in this division if we are actually in it next season!! Be interested to know what other's definition of success would be for this season & how we can get those elusive wins.... Whitleyred
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9:19pm Sat 24 Nov 12

duffy says...

My main worry is that lessons are not been learned. We are still starting games way to slowly and allowing the oposition to gain a foothold. We are still as bad at set pieces as always, do we actually practice free kicks and corners.?
We are still playing players out of position with defenders and wingers played in central midfield. How many times does Blair and Parslow have to play in midfield before he accepts it just does not work( ok today it took 45 minutes) He continue to play 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 at home when it's obviously not working.
My main worry is that lessons are not been learned. We are still starting games way to slowly and allowing the oposition to gain a foothold. We are still as bad at set pieces as always, do we actually practice free kicks and corners.? We are still playing players out of position with defenders and wingers played in central midfield. How many times does Blair and Parslow have to play in midfield before he accepts it just does not work( ok today it took 45 minutes) He continue to play 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 at home when it's obviously not working. duffy
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9:31pm Sat 24 Nov 12

PDH says...

On a lighter note to hopefully put a smile back on our faces!
Do you think Mr Carlise should give a public apology for his red card, I belive it was for foul and abusive behaviour!
Not a very good example to set to his fellow pros who he represents is it lol
On a lighter note to hopefully put a smile back on our faces! Do you think Mr Carlise should give a public apology for his red card, I belive it was for foul and abusive behaviour! Not a very good example to set to his fellow pros who he represents is it lol PDH
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9:42pm Sat 24 Nov 12

tallone says...

Rodman looke uteood when he played as the central striker won balls in the air ran at defenders. i would have left him on and put someone closer to him for flicks or knock downs. i'm not a chambers knocker but he did very little when he came on.
does anyone know can we not bring any new players in now untill the transfer window
Rodman looke uteood when he played as the central striker won balls in the air ran at defenders. i would have left him on and put someone closer to him for flicks or knock downs. i'm not a chambers knocker but he did very little when he came on. does anyone know can we not bring any new players in now untill the transfer window tallone
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9:59pm Sat 24 Nov 12

lifelong says...

Yet again another travesty at Bootham Crescent as Michael Ingham hadn't to make a save of note. His only task was to take the ball out of the net twice as the defence once again made simple errors. But for all the possession and territorial advantage York had, they just did not have a cutting edge in front of goal as the final pass too often fell to the opposition to clear. Corner kicks are just a joke and in effect a time waster and I would dearly love to know when we capitalised last on such a situation. No matter the cost York must introduce a variety of short corners which will help to lift the gloom when the normal ones are cleared ad nauseum.
Loss of confidence for the side is now a major problem especially at Bootham Crescent. Clearly a formation of 4-5-1 is not working and 4-4-2 has to be tried from the start to give either Reed or Walker support.
I am bound to say also that luck plays a part in the fortunes of any team and for the time being especially at home it has deserted City. I am still hopeful that the present squad will somehow regain the form which will keep us at a comfortable position in this league.
Good luck at Rochdale lads
Yet again another travesty at Bootham Crescent as Michael Ingham hadn't to make a save of note. His only task was to take the ball out of the net twice as the defence once again made simple errors. But for all the possession and territorial advantage York had, they just did not have a cutting edge in front of goal as the final pass too often fell to the opposition to clear. Corner kicks are just a joke and in effect a time waster and I would dearly love to know when we capitalised last on such a situation. No matter the cost York must introduce a variety of short corners which will help to lift the gloom when the normal ones are cleared ad nauseum. Loss of confidence for the side is now a major problem especially at Bootham Crescent. Clearly a formation of 4-5-1 is not working and 4-4-2 has to be tried from the start to give either Reed or Walker support. I am bound to say also that luck plays a part in the fortunes of any team and for the time being especially at home it has deserted City. I am still hopeful that the present squad will somehow regain the form which will keep us at a comfortable position in this league. Good luck at Rochdale lads lifelong
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10:51pm Sat 24 Nov 12

martinbutler says...

Sorry to disagree with some of the above posts but Rodman and Kearns have been further poor signings ( kearns is a busy player but he has disrupted the play of the team - how many games have we won whilst he's been playing?). We are too predictable, our corners and set plays are awful ( what do we practice in training....) we need to strengthen the team ( it's weaker than last season) we desperately need a new central defender, central midfielder and striker that can play at this level (Kerr, Doig and Walker cant). Please drop Rodman and Kearns and play Paddy and Chambers on the left side. With the current team 433 doesn't work at home (it didn't most of last season) the results support this. i have to question why the players dont look up for it from the start, once again they were slow from the beginning - we dont get away with it at this level like we did last season. I thought Chandler did ok when moved into midfield ( at least he can pass the ball which was the problem in the first half) Blair doesn't work in the midfield role, he was lost today and couldn't beat the fullback. I felt sorry for Reedy as he didn't get any support and to sub him when we changed to 442 was the wrong decision. Most of this stuff is obvious to anyone watching us regularly and when the away manager says on the radio he knows how to play York and brings a poor team to beat us - it says a lot! Gary this isn't good enough and slating the supporters isn't the answer.
Sorry to disagree with some of the above posts but Rodman and Kearns have been further poor signings ( kearns is a busy player but he has disrupted the play of the team - how many games have we won whilst he's been playing?). We are too predictable, our corners and set plays are awful ( what do we practice in training....) we need to strengthen the team ( it's weaker than last season) we desperately need a new central defender, central midfielder and striker that can play at this level (Kerr, Doig and Walker cant). Please drop Rodman and Kearns and play Paddy and Chambers on the left side. With the current team 433 doesn't work at home (it didn't most of last season) the results support this. i have to question why the players dont look up for it from the start, once again they were slow from the beginning - we dont get away with it at this level like we did last season. I thought Chandler did ok when moved into midfield ( at least he can pass the ball which was the problem in the first half) Blair doesn't work in the midfield role, he was lost today and couldn't beat the fullback. I felt sorry for Reedy as he didn't get any support and to sub him when we changed to 442 was the wrong decision. Most of this stuff is obvious to anyone watching us regularly and when the away manager says on the radio he knows how to play York and brings a poor team to beat us - it says a lot! Gary this isn't good enough and slating the supporters isn't the answer. martinbutler
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11:04pm Sat 24 Nov 12

garnham says...

Can't agree with all your comments !!

All the lads need to do is follow Torquays performance today.
Keep it simple, nothing complex move the ball FORWARDS quickly don't let the opposition have time by passing backwards, Don't give the opposition time on the ball, shoot when in sight of goal.
Oh most important of all us supporters cheer them to win !!

Still think most home supporters don't do their job at all !!! Must be awful trying to play in front of 3,000 + moaning at every mistake. No wonder they struggle to keep their shape.

Every time we lose a goal the team has looked poor in the build up to going behind preceded every time with the crowd silent or moaning bucket fulls !! not poor players at all just downright awful conference supporters !!!
By the way I include myself in this as found myself tut tutting today.
We all need to take on the home games with relentless support. I hate hearing the clowns saying not cumin to watch this rubbish. well the support is just that !!
Cmon lets have some away support at home. The club & management deserve better !!
Can't agree with all your comments !! All the lads need to do is follow Torquays performance today. Keep it simple, nothing complex move the ball FORWARDS quickly don't let the opposition have time by passing backwards, Don't give the opposition time on the ball, shoot when in sight of goal. Oh most important of all us supporters cheer them to win !! Still think most home supporters don't do their job at all !!! Must be awful trying to play in front of 3,000 + moaning at every mistake. No wonder they struggle to keep their shape. Every time we lose a goal the team has looked poor in the build up to going behind preceded every time with the crowd silent or moaning bucket fulls !! not poor players at all just downright awful conference supporters !!! By the way I include myself in this as found myself tut tutting today. We all need to take on the home games with relentless support. I hate hearing the clowns saying not cumin to watch this rubbish. well the support is just that !! Cmon lets have some away support at home. The club & management deserve better !! garnham
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11:35pm Sat 24 Nov 12

richardofyork says...

4-3-3 is not working when we play at home.I strongly believe that York should play the 4-3-3 formation when they play away from home. But we should play
4-4-2 at Home.
4-3-3 is not working when we play at home.I strongly believe that York should play the 4-3-3 formation when they play away from home. But we should play 4-4-2 at Home. richardofyork
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11:46pm Sat 24 Nov 12

dazthecat says...

tallone wrote:
Rodman looke uteood when he played as the central striker won balls in the air ran at defenders. i would have left him on and put someone closer to him for flicks or knock downs. i'm not a chambers knocker but he did very little when he came on.
does anyone know can we not bring any new players in now untill the transfer window
Nope, loan window is shut so that's it until jan. not sure if we'd be allowed to recall our loaned players
[quote][p][bold]tallone[/bold] wrote: Rodman looke uteood when he played as the central striker won balls in the air ran at defenders. i would have left him on and put someone closer to him for flicks or knock downs. i'm not a chambers knocker but he did very little when he came on. does anyone know can we not bring any new players in now untill the transfer window[/p][/quote]Nope, loan window is shut so that's it until jan. not sure if we'd be allowed to recall our loaned players dazthecat
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12:12am Sun 25 Nov 12

GreenshawGrinder says...

Poor home form continues and so does the slide down the table. Another very average side leaves Bootham Crescent with three points. All a bit predictable today, no need to read the script, we know what's coming.
Points wise, seven points off a play-off spot but the same from relegation. Home form is just not good enough, a home win seems like a distant memory!
Poor home form continues and so does the slide down the table. Another very average side leaves Bootham Crescent with three points. All a bit predictable today, no need to read the script, we know what's coming. Points wise, seven points off a play-off spot but the same from relegation. Home form is just not good enough, a home win seems like a distant memory! GreenshawGrinder
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7:31am Sun 25 Nov 12

uhtred says...

we are just not winning headers in the box in open play despite a lot of possession going forward. Thus there are few direct strikes on goal where it matters, either direct headers or shots from knock downs. We rely on runs on goal from deep and speculative shots from outside the penalty area.
We need a big striker who either can score goals regularly or provides opportunities for the likes of Walker and Reed.
Its all very well to say they are not avialble but very team that comes to York seem to have one. With the extra coaching staff we need to be doing more scouting in the lower leagues or at reserve matches.
we are just not winning headers in the box in open play despite a lot of possession going forward. Thus there are few direct strikes on goal where it matters, either direct headers or shots from knock downs. We rely on runs on goal from deep and speculative shots from outside the penalty area. We need a big striker who either can score goals regularly or provides opportunities for the likes of Walker and Reed. Its all very well to say they are not avialble but very team that comes to York seem to have one. With the extra coaching staff we need to be doing more scouting in the lower leagues or at reserve matches. uhtred
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7:39am Sun 25 Nov 12

YO1 says...

Oh dear not much else I can add to the above comments. My only additional point is GM has recognised that teams in this division aren't particularly skillfull, just much bigger than our team. Unfortunately, through poor summer signings, the only options have been to put last seasons defenders into midfield to compete physically. Problem is, Danny, Banjo don't have the control and passing ability to maintain our passing game. I would include Matty in that too. At least GM could see this and rectified it at half time.

Seemed to go 442 with Ashley and Jason substitutions. Might have been better leaving Reedy on to play alongside Jason though.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but GM was let down by several players not delivering when he had faith in them. Bring on the January transfer window.

At least the crowd reaction was muted rather than the chorus of boos we would normally have heard. Patience will wear thin with another home defeat though I would imagine.
Oh dear not much else I can add to the above comments. My only additional point is GM has recognised that teams in this division aren't particularly skillfull, just much bigger than our team. Unfortunately, through poor summer signings, the only options have been to put last seasons defenders into midfield to compete physically. Problem is, Danny, Banjo don't have the control and passing ability to maintain our passing game. I would include Matty in that too. At least GM could see this and rectified it at half time. Seemed to go 442 with Ashley and Jason substitutions. Might have been better leaving Reedy on to play alongside Jason though. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but GM was let down by several players not delivering when he had faith in them. Bring on the January transfer window. At least the crowd reaction was muted rather than the chorus of boos we would normally have heard. Patience will wear thin with another home defeat though I would imagine. YO1
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8:48am Sun 25 Nov 12

roobarb85 says...

Used to really like my little old car.. had some great trips in it, didn't mind when it had to have a few things fixed, thought the scratches and bumps looked kinda cute. Then one day, I realised I had a heap which was costing me a bomb and going nowhere.

Same is sadly true of YCFC and Mills. Used to be a big fan of MrM, and appreciate alll he did for us, but now evidence against his team is stacking up....

Couldn't score at home against the worst defence in the league.

Couldn't win at home against a 10-man opposition despite leading 1-0

Too many signings ineffectual or inept...Bopp, Johnson, Dobie, Bullock, J Smith, Carlisle, Blanchett, Lyttle.....

Aldershot reserve as striker to save us - so good he's subbed in both home games.

Reed has a habit of scoring goals yet is hardly given a start and/or is subbed. Walker plays for games on end without threat.

Players playing out of position... Parslow, Blair, Banjo....

No reserve team to keep squad players match fit

For all that people purr about Kerr and Kearns being great midfielders, have they actually created much recently?

50 points are needed to stay in the league...can this squad, system and manager really get those points?

Occasional good days like at Vale and good signings like Coulson can no longer outweigh the increasing evidence of dereliction as shown yesterday. Can't think of a candidate to take over at the helm - but think that the board should be looking.
Used to really like my little old car.. had some great trips in it, didn't mind when it had to have a few things fixed, thought the scratches and bumps looked kinda cute. Then one day, I realised I had a heap which was costing me a bomb and going nowhere. Same is sadly true of YCFC and Mills. Used to be a big fan of MrM, and appreciate alll he did for us, but now evidence against his team is stacking up.... Couldn't score at home against the worst defence in the league. Couldn't win at home against a 10-man opposition despite leading 1-0 Too many signings ineffectual or inept...Bopp, Johnson, Dobie, Bullock, J Smith, Carlisle, Blanchett, Lyttle..... Aldershot reserve as striker to save us - so good he's subbed in both home games. Reed has a habit of scoring goals yet is hardly given a start and/or is subbed. Walker plays for games on end without threat. Players playing out of position... Parslow, Blair, Banjo.... No reserve team to keep squad players match fit For all that people purr about Kerr and Kearns being great midfielders, have they actually created much recently? 50 points are needed to stay in the league...can this squad, system and manager really get those points? Occasional good days like at Vale and good signings like Coulson can no longer outweigh the increasing evidence of dereliction as shown yesterday. Can't think of a candidate to take over at the helm - but think that the board should be looking. roobarb85
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10:23am Sun 25 Nov 12

joejamestom says...

Well another disappointing result at home which is a real shame as the attendances ate holding up well.
Looking at the stats it looks like we battered them in creating openings winning corners etc. Just conceded one really poor goal Chalinor has to look hard at himself for not closing that cross down & the shot was basically a relaxed pass into the back of our net, Smith just not a commanding CB organises ineffectually maybe club captain distracts him?. Still reckon Parslow TY combo the best CB partnership as when its time to chase the game Parslow is so much better going forward. Des Little needs to see what he is adding management wise as it looks like our problems seem to be conceding as well as the scoring obvious we have no in form striker rescuing our games currently.
There are positives lots of fluid movement passing nice touches but set pieces & corners are not getting us any kind of return far too predictable I think we see one short corner per game. Reedy looks isolated in the 433 formation needs a clever player or mountainous forward to play off.
This season is far from ruined two good wins would see us move right up.
Their keeper had a very good day indeed Kearns our MOTM again even if he did a bit too much at times & our most pleasing moments seemed to come from players dribbling from deep as the defence opened up for them definitely a lesson for our skilful players there run at the defence in and around the box give no option but to draw a foul or penalty. Still supporting City & GM just looking a couple of players shy of being a very good side & our defence needs a rethink. Cmon City Rotherham here we come.
Well another disappointing result at home which is a real shame as the attendances ate holding up well. Looking at the stats it looks like we battered them in creating openings winning corners etc. Just conceded one really poor goal Chalinor has to look hard at himself for not closing that cross down & the shot was basically a relaxed pass into the back of our net, Smith just not a commanding CB organises ineffectually maybe club captain distracts him?. Still reckon Parslow TY combo the best CB partnership as when its time to chase the game Parslow is so much better going forward. Des Little needs to see what he is adding management wise as it looks like our problems seem to be conceding as well as the scoring obvious we have no in form striker rescuing our games currently. There are positives lots of fluid movement passing nice touches but set pieces & corners are not getting us any kind of return far too predictable I think we see one short corner per game. Reedy looks isolated in the 433 formation needs a clever player or mountainous forward to play off. This season is far from ruined two good wins would see us move right up. Their keeper had a very good day indeed Kearns our MOTM again even if he did a bit too much at times & our most pleasing moments seemed to come from players dribbling from deep as the defence opened up for them definitely a lesson for our skilful players there run at the defence in and around the box give no option but to draw a foul or penalty. Still supporting City & GM just looking a couple of players shy of being a very good side & our defence needs a rethink. Cmon City Rotherham here we come. joejamestom
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10:25am Sun 25 Nov 12

YO1 says...

roobarb85 wrote:
Used to really like my little old car.. had some great trips in it, didn't mind when it had to have a few things fixed, thought the scratches and bumps looked kinda cute. Then one day, I realised I had a heap which was costing me a bomb and going nowhere.

Same is sadly true of YCFC and Mills. Used to be a big fan of MrM, and appreciate alll he did for us, but now evidence against his team is stacking up....

Couldn't score at home against the worst defence in the league.

Couldn't win at home against a 10-man opposition despite leading 1-0

Too many signings ineffectual or inept...Bopp, Johnson, Dobie, Bullock, J Smith, Carlisle, Blanchett, Lyttle.....

Aldershot reserve as striker to save us - so good he's subbed in both home games.

Reed has a habit of scoring goals yet is hardly given a start and/or is subbed. Walker plays for games on end without threat.

Players playing out of position... Parslow, Blair, Banjo....

No reserve team to keep squad players match fit

For all that people purr about Kerr and Kearns being great midfielders, have they actually created much recently?

50 points are needed to stay in the league...can this squad, system and manager really get those points?

Occasional good days like at Vale and good signings like Coulson can no longer outweigh the increasing evidence of dereliction as shown yesterday. Can't think of a candidate to take over at the helm - but think that the board should be looking.
Ha ha great analogy. I've got a decent car, had a lot of fun in it. Put the wrong fuel in it in the summer and it coughed and spluttered until I had the engine cleaned out and changed the fuel. Works a treat now, a lot cheaper than scrapping it and paying for a new one.
[quote][p][bold]roobarb85[/bold] wrote: Used to really like my little old car.. had some great trips in it, didn't mind when it had to have a few things fixed, thought the scratches and bumps looked kinda cute. Then one day, I realised I had a heap which was costing me a bomb and going nowhere. Same is sadly true of YCFC and Mills. Used to be a big fan of MrM, and appreciate alll he did for us, but now evidence against his team is stacking up.... Couldn't score at home against the worst defence in the league. Couldn't win at home against a 10-man opposition despite leading 1-0 Too many signings ineffectual or inept...Bopp, Johnson, Dobie, Bullock, J Smith, Carlisle, Blanchett, Lyttle..... Aldershot reserve as striker to save us - so good he's subbed in both home games. Reed has a habit of scoring goals yet is hardly given a start and/or is subbed. Walker plays for games on end without threat. Players playing out of position... Parslow, Blair, Banjo.... No reserve team to keep squad players match fit For all that people purr about Kerr and Kearns being great midfielders, have they actually created much recently? 50 points are needed to stay in the league...can this squad, system and manager really get those points? Occasional good days like at Vale and good signings like Coulson can no longer outweigh the increasing evidence of dereliction as shown yesterday. Can't think of a candidate to take over at the helm - but think that the board should be looking.[/p][/quote]Ha ha great analogy. I've got a decent car, had a lot of fun in it. Put the wrong fuel in it in the summer and it coughed and spluttered until I had the engine cleaned out and changed the fuel. Works a treat now, a lot cheaper than scrapping it and paying for a new one. YO1
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10:27am Sun 25 Nov 12

OLD - HEAD says...

Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late.
Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late. OLD - HEAD
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10:32am Sun 25 Nov 12

duffy says...

OLD - HEAD wrote:
Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late.
I'm getting pretty tired of the city support been blamed for the home form frankly, in my view its got nothing to do with it and yesterday they were fine given what was on offer.
[quote][p][bold]OLD - HEAD[/bold] wrote: Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late.[/p][/quote]I'm getting pretty tired of the city support been blamed for the home form frankly, in my view its got nothing to do with it and yesterday they were fine given what was on offer. duffy
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10:41am Sun 25 Nov 12

YorkCityLuke says...

duffy wrote:
OLD - HEAD wrote:
Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late.
I'm getting pretty tired of the city support been blamed for the home form frankly, in my view its got nothing to do with it and yesterday they were fine given what was on offer.
Home support might not be to blame but the atmosphere is just dead these days. There's more chanting and singing at even the most remote away games than we get at home. Not to blame for the poor form, but not helping either.
[quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLD - HEAD[/bold] wrote: Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late.[/p][/quote]I'm getting pretty tired of the city support been blamed for the home form frankly, in my view its got nothing to do with it and yesterday they were fine given what was on offer.[/p][/quote]Home support might not be to blame but the atmosphere is just dead these days. There's more chanting and singing at even the most remote away games than we get at home. Not to blame for the poor form, but not helping either. YorkCityLuke
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10:46am Sun 25 Nov 12

duffy says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
duffy wrote:
OLD - HEAD wrote:
Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late.
I'm getting pretty tired of the city support been blamed for the home form frankly, in my view its got nothing to do with it and yesterday they were fine given what was on offer.
Home support might not be to blame but the atmosphere is just dead these days. There's more chanting and singing at even the most remote away games than we get at home. Not to blame for the poor form, but not helping either.
But then its a catch 22. We have won two games at home all season and generally been poor. There has to be something to give the crowd some encouragement. I think in general yesterday most fans were very patient with the team and tried to give support whenever we had an attack in the second half.
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLD - HEAD[/bold] wrote: Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late.[/p][/quote]I'm getting pretty tired of the city support been blamed for the home form frankly, in my view its got nothing to do with it and yesterday they were fine given what was on offer.[/p][/quote]Home support might not be to blame but the atmosphere is just dead these days. There's more chanting and singing at even the most remote away games than we get at home. Not to blame for the poor form, but not helping either.[/p][/quote]But then its a catch 22. We have won two games at home all season and generally been poor. There has to be something to give the crowd some encouragement. I think in general yesterday most fans were very patient with the team and tried to give support whenever we had an attack in the second half. duffy
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11:02am Sun 25 Nov 12

YO1 says...

Employing old friends and family rarley works out in business. GM should have appointed a first team coach with a proven track record at league 2 level to bring in the contacts and know how which we are clearly lacking.
Employing old friends and family rarley works out in business. GM should have appointed a first team coach with a proven track record at league 2 level to bring in the contacts and know how which we are clearly lacking. YO1
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11:29am Sun 25 Nov 12

Budgie says...

Torquay 0 Harrogate 1, Torquay 0 Southend 4, this last week,this tells all, Mills must know loyalty does not pay a large number of his squad are not up to it and I am begining to wonder if he is.
Torquay 0 Harrogate 1, Torquay 0 Southend 4, this last week,this tells all, Mills must know loyalty does not pay a large number of his squad are not up to it and I am begining to wonder if he is. Budgie
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11:35am Sun 25 Nov 12

Minsterred says...

Bad day at the office of which we have had a few of late, still think we will come good and finish mid table which I think is acceptable given where we were a very short time ago. I believe in GM and I believe in the team, we had massive posession for large parts of the game yesterday and could have scored at least twice had their keeper not had such a good game, ref was also shocking but yes we were lacking in several departments. I struggle to understand some of the comments on here, yes I want us to win every game as we all do but with respect its our first season back. We finished 4th in non league football last season, we have 2 trophies in the cabinet, we are back in the league with hopefully a new ground on the way. Yesterday was poor but really not the end of the world nor the end of our season and as for replacing Gary Mills? Utter nonesense at best.
Bad day at the office of which we have had a few of late, still think we will come good and finish mid table which I think is acceptable given where we were a very short time ago. I believe in GM and I believe in the team, we had massive posession for large parts of the game yesterday and could have scored at least twice had their keeper not had such a good game, ref was also shocking but yes we were lacking in several departments. I struggle to understand some of the comments on here, yes I want us to win every game as we all do but with respect its our first season back. We finished 4th in non league football last season, we have 2 trophies in the cabinet, we are back in the league with hopefully a new ground on the way. Yesterday was poor but really not the end of the world nor the end of our season and as for replacing Gary Mills? Utter nonesense at best. Minsterred
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11:46am Sun 25 Nov 12

Fatsober says...

I think Gary needs to wake up and realise that his plans are not working. Playing people out of position is not some master-stroke that will off balance the opposition. It is just adding more pressure to a team/system that is/are being found out at this level.

I don't blame the players the buck has to stop with GM.

Under Gary City have always tried to play attacking 'good looking' football. But more often than not we are the architects of our own downfall trying to satisfy Gary's ambition of making us the Barca of league 2.

Its time to get back to basics, stop the flicks, dummies and **** when a simple pass would do. We're not skilful enough at this level to be able to pull it off. We constantly put ourselves under pressure either losing it in midfield or messing around at the back. And can someone tell me how the free kick we had on the edge of their box 2-3 passes later was at Ingham's feet?
I think Gary needs to wake up and realise that his plans are not working. Playing people out of position is not some master-stroke that will off balance the opposition. It is just adding more pressure to a team/system that is/are being found out at this level. I don't blame the players the buck has to stop with GM. Under Gary City have always tried to play attacking 'good looking' football. But more often than not we are the architects of our own downfall trying to satisfy Gary's ambition of making us the Barca of league 2. Its time to get back to basics, stop the flicks, dummies and **** when a simple pass would do. We're not skilful enough at this level to be able to pull it off. We constantly put ourselves under pressure either losing it in midfield or messing around at the back. And can someone tell me how the free kick we had on the edge of their box 2-3 passes later was at Ingham's feet? Fatsober
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11:49am Sun 25 Nov 12

Even AndyD says...

Lots of possession, some good football at times, comedy defending, comedy finishing, nil points once more against a pretty limited team.

Same old. Which is a shame because this team *can* play. But oh does that back line need sorting.
Lots of possession, some good football at times, comedy defending, comedy finishing, nil points once more against a pretty limited team. Same old. Which is a shame because this team *can* play. But oh does that back line need sorting. Even AndyD
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12:01pm Sun 25 Nov 12

duffy says...

Minsterred wrote:
Bad day at the office of which we have had a few of late, still think we will come good and finish mid table which I think is acceptable given where we were a very short time ago. I believe in GM and I believe in the team, we had massive posession for large parts of the game yesterday and could have scored at least twice had their keeper not had such a good game, ref was also shocking but yes we were lacking in several departments. I struggle to understand some of the comments on here, yes I want us to win every game as we all do but with respect its our first season back. We finished 4th in non league football last season, we have 2 trophies in the cabinet, we are back in the league with hopefully a new ground on the way. Yesterday was poor but really not the end of the world nor the end of our season and as for replacing Gary Mills? Utter nonesense at best.
But you have to question some of the decision making. Why did we start yesterday's game without a single dedicated midfielder in midfield ?
I watched Parslow for a good 10 minutes midway thought the first half yesterday and he contributed nothing, just the odd sideways and backwards pass. We have half a dozen dedicated midfielders and he failed to play a single one? Sorry I just get that.
[quote][p][bold]Minsterred[/bold] wrote: Bad day at the office of which we have had a few of late, still think we will come good and finish mid table which I think is acceptable given where we were a very short time ago. I believe in GM and I believe in the team, we had massive posession for large parts of the game yesterday and could have scored at least twice had their keeper not had such a good game, ref was also shocking but yes we were lacking in several departments. I struggle to understand some of the comments on here, yes I want us to win every game as we all do but with respect its our first season back. We finished 4th in non league football last season, we have 2 trophies in the cabinet, we are back in the league with hopefully a new ground on the way. Yesterday was poor but really not the end of the world nor the end of our season and as for replacing Gary Mills? Utter nonesense at best.[/p][/quote]But you have to question some of the decision making. Why did we start yesterday's game without a single dedicated midfielder in midfield ? I watched Parslow for a good 10 minutes midway thought the first half yesterday and he contributed nothing, just the odd sideways and backwards pass. We have half a dozen dedicated midfielders and he failed to play a single one? Sorry I just get that. duffy
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12:17pm Sun 25 Nov 12

York Manor says...

i think its quite understandable if the crowd do show what they feel. Circus style defending, no finishing, no creativity in midfield, tippy tappy passing which is usually square or going backwards and poor goal keeping.
They had two chances and took them, we had loads and either could not finish or their defence were there to clear as well as their keeper being a load better than ours. Things need changing and its this season that counts not last, I hope Im wrong but I can feel a long hard second half of season approaching, hope it doesnt turn out the same as when Chris Brass was at the sharp end come on city prove me wrong !!
i think its quite understandable if the crowd do show what they feel. Circus style defending, no finishing, no creativity in midfield, tippy tappy passing which is usually square or going backwards and poor goal keeping. They had two chances and took them, we had loads and either could not finish or their defence were there to clear as well as their keeper being a load better than ours. Things need changing and its this season that counts not last, I hope Im wrong but I can feel a long hard second half of season approaching, hope it doesnt turn out the same as when Chris Brass was at the sharp end come on city prove me wrong !! York Manor
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12:22pm Sun 25 Nov 12

redwhiteblue says...

Sorry I blame a lot of the negative comments and moaner who pick on the players that attempt to give us 100% every time they put on a City shirt. Getting on the players backs does not help - it lowers moral, confidence and eventually the team spirit. Their performance is affected by the pressure from the crowd, and the feelings/comments on individual players. Why do we play better away from BC? - we get the true supporters of the Club travelling to away games, who air their voices and feelings for the team - we always appear to be more vocal and supportive at away games. When GM made the changes after 60 mins, in an attempt to get something from the game - comments near me so negative, 'bringing on your favourates'. A lady sat near me who hadn't been able to attend a game for a couple of months commented on the reaction, 'how can they not support the team, surely we should be getting behind the team and lifting them not knocking them. Many of these players got us out of the Conference last year - they were our saviours - they were good players and played as a team, they have not become bad players overnight. We can get out of this run but we need the moaners to stop away or get behind the team. How would you feel if you were trying to do your job with someone on your shoulder saying, 'your rubbish, you shouldn't be with this company, your crap.' The moaners and negative postings on this website must hurt the individuals - to be told ' your rubbish, should never wear a City shirt again' - to tell the manager 'his taxis waiting and the meters running' - does this really help the cause. Gary played Reid, but yesterday he struggled, therefore to replace him was the right thing to do. Rodman for me had a good game - showed promise and what he is capable of and was worth his place - yesterday we lacked pace down the flanks we crosses into the danger area.
A plea to all City supporters - GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND THIS GREAT CLUB - before you have a hand is destroying it.
Sorry I blame a lot of the negative comments and moaner who pick on the players that attempt to give us 100% every time they put on a City shirt. Getting on the players backs does not help - it lowers moral, confidence and eventually the team spirit. Their performance is affected by the pressure from the crowd, and the feelings/comments on individual players. Why do we play better away from BC? - we get the true supporters of the Club travelling to away games, who air their voices and feelings for the team - we always appear to be more vocal and supportive at away games. When GM made the changes after 60 mins, in an attempt to get something from the game - comments near me so negative, 'bringing on your favourates'. A lady sat near me who hadn't been able to attend a game for a couple of months commented on the reaction, 'how can they not support the team, surely we should be getting behind the team and lifting them not knocking them. Many of these players got us out of the Conference last year - they were our saviours - they were good players and played as a team, they have not become bad players overnight. We can get out of this run but we need the moaners to stop away or get behind the team. How would you feel if you were trying to do your job with someone on your shoulder saying, 'your rubbish, you shouldn't be with this company, your crap.' The moaners and negative postings on this website must hurt the individuals - to be told ' your rubbish, should never wear a City shirt again' - to tell the manager 'his taxis waiting and the meters running' - does this really help the cause. Gary played Reid, but yesterday he struggled, therefore to replace him was the right thing to do. Rodman for me had a good game - showed promise and what he is capable of and was worth his place - yesterday we lacked pace down the flanks we crosses into the danger area. A plea to all City supporters - GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND THIS GREAT CLUB - before you have a hand is destroying it. redwhiteblue
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1:18pm Sun 25 Nov 12

dazthecat says...

redwhiteblue wrote:
Sorry I blame a lot of the negative comments and moaner who pick on the players that attempt to give us 100% every time they put on a City shirt. Getting on the players backs does not help - it lowers moral, confidence and eventually the team spirit. Their performance is affected by the pressure from the crowd, and the feelings/comments on individual players. Why do we play better away from BC? - we get the true supporters of the Club travelling to away games, who air their voices and feelings for the team - we always appear to be more vocal and supportive at away games. When GM made the changes after 60 mins, in an attempt to get something from the game - comments near me so negative, 'bringing on your favourates'. A lady sat near me who hadn't been able to attend a game for a couple of months commented on the reaction, 'how can they not support the team, surely we should be getting behind the team and lifting them not knocking them. Many of these players got us out of the Conference last year - they were our saviours - they were good players and played as a team, they have not become bad players overnight. We can get out of this run but we need the moaners to stop away or get behind the team. How would you feel if you were trying to do your job with someone on your shoulder saying, 'your rubbish, you shouldn't be with this company, your crap.' The moaners and negative postings on this website must hurt the individuals - to be told ' your rubbish, should never wear a City shirt again' - to tell the manager 'his taxis waiting and the meters running' - does this really help the cause. Gary played Reid, but yesterday he struggled, therefore to replace him was the right thing to do. Rodman for me had a good game - showed promise and what he is capable of and was worth his place - yesterday we lacked pace down the flanks we crosses into the danger area.
A plea to all City supporters - GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND THIS GREAT CLUB - before you have a hand is destroying it.
Good points made. Yeah I think maybe we are sometimes a bit too cautious at home, but I think the players are scared of making mistakes because of the backlash every time the smallest thing goes wrong. The crowd started getting behind the team more in early part of the second half and what happened? We had them pinned back in their area for the majority of it. It can work both ways, this talk about the team have to get the crowd going is rubbish, the team were excellent against Dagenham and scored 3 goals and the crowd was still flat.

A guy near me said yesterday 'why are we always better away than at home, it was the same last year and going back to the year we lost to morecombe in playoffs''. Well there's only one constant between those two campaigns. His actions throughout the game summed it up for me, he muttered encouragement and screamed criticism
[quote][p][bold]redwhiteblue[/bold] wrote: Sorry I blame a lot of the negative comments and moaner who pick on the players that attempt to give us 100% every time they put on a City shirt. Getting on the players backs does not help - it lowers moral, confidence and eventually the team spirit. Their performance is affected by the pressure from the crowd, and the feelings/comments on individual players. Why do we play better away from BC? - we get the true supporters of the Club travelling to away games, who air their voices and feelings for the team - we always appear to be more vocal and supportive at away games. When GM made the changes after 60 mins, in an attempt to get something from the game - comments near me so negative, 'bringing on your favourates'. A lady sat near me who hadn't been able to attend a game for a couple of months commented on the reaction, 'how can they not support the team, surely we should be getting behind the team and lifting them not knocking them. Many of these players got us out of the Conference last year - they were our saviours - they were good players and played as a team, they have not become bad players overnight. We can get out of this run but we need the moaners to stop away or get behind the team. How would you feel if you were trying to do your job with someone on your shoulder saying, 'your rubbish, you shouldn't be with this company, your crap.' The moaners and negative postings on this website must hurt the individuals - to be told ' your rubbish, should never wear a City shirt again' - to tell the manager 'his taxis waiting and the meters running' - does this really help the cause. Gary played Reid, but yesterday he struggled, therefore to replace him was the right thing to do. Rodman for me had a good game - showed promise and what he is capable of and was worth his place - yesterday we lacked pace down the flanks we crosses into the danger area. A plea to all City supporters - GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND THIS GREAT CLUB - before you have a hand is destroying it.[/p][/quote]Good points made. Yeah I think maybe we are sometimes a bit too cautious at home, but I think the players are scared of making mistakes because of the backlash every time the smallest thing goes wrong. The crowd started getting behind the team more in early part of the second half and what happened? We had them pinned back in their area for the majority of it. It can work both ways, this talk about the team have to get the crowd going is rubbish, the team were excellent against Dagenham and scored 3 goals and the crowd was still flat. A guy near me said yesterday 'why are we always better away than at home, it was the same last year and going back to the year we lost to morecombe in playoffs''. Well there's only one constant between those two campaigns. His actions throughout the game summed it up for me, he muttered encouragement and screamed criticism dazthecat
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1:32pm Sun 25 Nov 12

ycfcfooker says...

442 with walker up front

Not bloody 451 best goal scorer in league 2 him reed bloody useless
442 with walker up front Not bloody 451 best goal scorer in league 2 him reed bloody useless ycfcfooker
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2:07pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Phil, Leeds says...

A case of deja vu yesterday. I'm sick and bloody tired of Mills continuing with his 451 formation in home games. Yes, it works fine away but even a child can see that it's nor the way to line up at home. And yes, Dan Parslow, was poor yesterday but the guy's a defender and it's not fair on him putting him in the middle where we need some creativity. Couldn't believe Mills took off Rodman, who was having a decent game, and Reed who will always be the most likely to get a goal - if given some service. Also the defeat was nothing to do with the ref - it was down to 2 awful goals as a result of poor defending and another home game where we failed to score (and never looked like scoring). Unbelievable that someone said that if their 'keeper hadn't made some saves we would have won! He did and that's his job and we didn't. We might have to accept that Mills is a decent Conference manager but not up to football league level. Or he might decide the best way to save his career is to listen to the majority of supporters who know that we must be far more positive at home, playing with 2 strikers, 2 wide men and a midfield containing midfield players not defenders. Swallow your pride Gary - you know we're right. And yes, just what is the point of Mills' old mucker, Des Lyttle?
A case of deja vu yesterday. I'm sick and bloody tired of Mills continuing with his 451 formation in home games. Yes, it works fine away but even a child can see that it's nor the way to line up at home. And yes, Dan Parslow, was poor yesterday but the guy's a defender and it's not fair on him putting him in the middle where we need some creativity. Couldn't believe Mills took off Rodman, who was having a decent game, and Reed who will always be the most likely to get a goal - if given some service. Also the defeat was nothing to do with the ref - it was down to 2 awful goals as a result of poor defending and another home game where we failed to score (and never looked like scoring). Unbelievable that someone said that if their 'keeper hadn't made some saves we would have won! He did and that's his job and we didn't. We might have to accept that Mills is a decent Conference manager but not up to football league level. Or he might decide the best way to save his career is to listen to the majority of supporters who know that we must be far more positive at home, playing with 2 strikers, 2 wide men and a midfield containing midfield players not defenders. Swallow your pride Gary - you know we're right. And yes, just what is the point of Mills' old mucker, Des Lyttle? Phil, Leeds
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2:14pm Sun 25 Nov 12

skilly says...

openallhours wrote:
Challinor - a try hard who should perhaps drop down a league or two to prolong his career Smith - nice bloke but not good enough for 4th Div Kearns - shocker today (won't pass the ball at the right time to the right player) and gone in Jan Parslow - over-rated and out of his depth at this level Kerr - past it at this level Chambers - say no more Rodman - ask your mate Rankine if he'll swap with you Des Lyttle - an absolute joke of an individual who's wages would be better spent on a player Ingham - great servant but maybe tired of the surroundings Gary Mills - after the last 5 home games, are we not missing; J Smith, Bullock, Paddy Mac, TY, Potts and even Henderson etc...? Some difficult fixtures coming up and on this form it won't be a happy new year. I've never predicted a York defeat and never will. I don't expect miracles and I'm realistic about where we are. But I would argue that a different manager (with Football League experience) would make a better job of the resources that we have to offer.
Totally dis-agree with this post. These players do not become only conference standard overnight. Knee-jerk reaction as many of the posts on here.
[quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: Challinor - a try hard who should perhaps drop down a league or two to prolong his career Smith - nice bloke but not good enough for 4th Div Kearns - shocker today (won't pass the ball at the right time to the right player) and gone in Jan Parslow - over-rated and out of his depth at this level Kerr - past it at this level Chambers - say no more Rodman - ask your mate Rankine if he'll swap with you Des Lyttle - an absolute joke of an individual who's wages would be better spent on a player Ingham - great servant but maybe tired of the surroundings Gary Mills - after the last 5 home games, are we not missing; J Smith, Bullock, Paddy Mac, TY, Potts and even Henderson etc...? Some difficult fixtures coming up and on this form it won't be a happy new year. I've never predicted a York defeat and never will. I don't expect miracles and I'm realistic about where we are. But I would argue that a different manager (with Football League experience) would make a better job of the resources that we have to offer.[/p][/quote]Totally dis-agree with this post. These players do not become only conference standard overnight. Knee-jerk reaction as many of the posts on here. skilly
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2:21pm Sun 25 Nov 12

WiShIwAsAtThEcReSeNt says...

after yesterdays result i found myself looking at us in relation to not just the top and play off places but towards the bottom too.surely no one can under estimate wh G m has done for us but its time to stop talking about our two great days and trophys in just over a week.we need to sort things and soon or we will be looking for our next manager to get us out of the conference.on the subject of Reedy i guess that will be him at best on the bench again for another 20 games or so he only needs one bad game then its curtains again.
after yesterdays result i found myself looking at us in relation to not just the top and play off places but towards the bottom too.surely no one can under estimate wh G m has done for us but its time to stop talking about our two great days and trophys in just over a week.we need to sort things and soon or we will be looking for our next manager to get us out of the conference.on the subject of Reedy i guess that will be him at best on the bench again for another 20 games or so he only needs one bad game then its curtains again. WiShIwAsAtThEcReSeNt
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2:23pm Sun 25 Nov 12

paintitred says...

Sometimes we can get carried away digesting stats but they dont lie when we take more than a snap shot


citys home games since the start of season 2011/12

P 36 W12 D13 L11 F55 A 47

Only 8 clean sheets and 50% of them were 0-0 draws/ the goals for in inflated by the 7 against kettering and 6 v braintree.

the sooner we can scrape 50 points together the easier i will breath.
Sometimes we can get carried away digesting stats but they dont lie when we take more than a snap shot citys home games since the start of season 2011/12 P 36 W12 D13 L11 F55 A 47 Only 8 clean sheets and 50% of them were 0-0 draws/ the goals for in inflated by the 7 against kettering and 6 v braintree. the sooner we can scrape 50 points together the easier i will breath. paintitred
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2:27pm Sun 25 Nov 12

RooBeck says...

Our defence looked troubled throughout, against average opposition and our lack of concenration and awareness at the back, gifted them their goals. I thought our second-half performance was more upbeat and we had plenty of goal-soring opportunities to have at least taken a point, particularly the ball that Mattie Blair just failed to get to on the goal-line! The crowd do tend to drift in and out of games (they do at a lot of grounds, esp. when behind!!) - much like the City team at the moment - but there seems to be a bit of nervous tension that comes over as negativity. A confident approach from the start would lift the crowd, but we tend not to put teams to the sword early on, or take the initiative and this could be because of our style of play and always looking to get warmed-up and get our passing game going, rather than havin our sghts firmly on the opposition 18 yard box and looking to have a go at goal. One for GM to sort out but we must address the home form - team and fans alike and get out of this rut! COYR.
Our defence looked troubled throughout, against average opposition and our lack of concenration and awareness at the back, gifted them their goals. I thought our second-half performance was more upbeat and we had plenty of goal-soring opportunities to have at least taken a point, particularly the ball that Mattie Blair just failed to get to on the goal-line! The crowd do tend to drift in and out of games (they do at a lot of grounds, esp. when behind!!) - much like the City team at the moment - but there seems to be a bit of nervous tension that comes over as negativity. A confident approach from the start would lift the crowd, but we tend not to put teams to the sword early on, or take the initiative and this could be because of our style of play and always looking to get warmed-up and get our passing game going, rather than havin our sghts firmly on the opposition 18 yard box and looking to have a go at goal. One for GM to sort out but we must address the home form - team and fans alike and get out of this rut! COYR. RooBeck
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2:30pm Sun 25 Nov 12

ycfcfooker says...

Time for GM to walk away far too bloody arrogant we need someone who understands the game enough to make changes. Go now please Mills & take Ingham, Blanchet, Smith, McGurk, Parslow, Reed (useless git), Henderson, Bullock & J Smith please.

Bring back John Ward he knows the game
Time for GM to walk away far too bloody arrogant we need someone who understands the game enough to make changes. Go now please Mills & take Ingham, Blanchet, Smith, McGurk, Parslow, Reed (useless git), Henderson, Bullock & J Smith please. Bring back John Ward he knows the game ycfcfooker
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2:35pm Sun 25 Nov 12

ycfcfooker says...

Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out
Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out ycfcfooker
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2:44pm Sun 25 Nov 12

beckylaner says...

This was the first home game I've seen this season, being an exile. I've seen four away games and I'm unimpressed. York City looked well out of their league on Saturday, full stop. No room for sentiment in business - Gary Mills got us out of non-league football, but the team's going straight back there, on this showing and the others I've seen. Time for some Abramovich ruthlessness. Goodbye, Gary.
This was the first home game I've seen this season, being an exile. I've seen four away games and I'm unimpressed. York City looked well out of their league on Saturday, full stop. No room for sentiment in business - Gary Mills got us out of non-league football, but the team's going straight back there, on this showing and the others I've seen. Time for some Abramovich ruthlessness. Goodbye, Gary. beckylaner
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2:46pm Sun 25 Nov 12

ycfcfooker says...

beckylaner wrote:
This was the first home game I've seen this season, being an exile. I've seen four away games and I'm unimpressed. York City looked well out of their league on Saturday, full stop. No room for sentiment in business - Gary Mills got us out of non-league football, but the team's going straight back there, on this showing and the others I've seen. Time for some Abramovich ruthlessness. Goodbye, Gary.
Spot on son have you gone yet Gary? Bloody rubbish sort it McGill
[quote][p][bold]beckylaner[/bold] wrote: This was the first home game I've seen this season, being an exile. I've seen four away games and I'm unimpressed. York City looked well out of their league on Saturday, full stop. No room for sentiment in business - Gary Mills got us out of non-league football, but the team's going straight back there, on this showing and the others I've seen. Time for some Abramovich ruthlessness. Goodbye, Gary.[/p][/quote]Spot on son have you gone yet Gary? Bloody rubbish sort it McGill ycfcfooker
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2:49pm Sun 25 Nov 12

skilly says...

ycfcfooker wrote:
Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out
Go away or get behind the team
[quote][p][bold]ycfcfooker[/bold] wrote: Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out[/p][/quote]Go away or get behind the team skilly
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2:52pm Sun 25 Nov 12

ycfcfooker says...

skilly wrote:
ycfcfooker wrote:
Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out
Go away or get behind the team
I do support the team you daft bloody bugger I would just rather have someone with some bloody knowledge picking the side
[quote][p][bold]skilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ycfcfooker[/bold] wrote: Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out[/p][/quote]Go away or get behind the team[/p][/quote]I do support the team you daft bloody bugger I would just rather have someone with some bloody knowledge picking the side ycfcfooker
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3:20pm Sun 25 Nov 12

YorkCityLuke says...

ycfcfooker wrote:
skilly wrote:
ycfcfooker wrote:
Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out
Go away or get behind the team
I do support the team you daft bloody bugger I would just rather have someone with some bloody knowledge picking the side
Well, you're clearly the biggest moron on this site. And that's saying something, this site is rank with morons. Bloody bloody bloody, rant rant rant!!!
[quote][p][bold]ycfcfooker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ycfcfooker[/bold] wrote: Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out[/p][/quote]Go away or get behind the team[/p][/quote]I do support the team you daft bloody bugger I would just rather have someone with some bloody knowledge picking the side[/p][/quote]Well, you're clearly the biggest moron on this site. And that's saying something, this site is rank with morons. Bloody bloody bloody, rant rant rant!!! YorkCityLuke
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3:21pm Sun 25 Nov 12

dazthecat says...

ycfcfooker wrote:
Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out
Follow the Chelsea method of running a club? Are you kidding me???
[quote][p][bold]ycfcfooker[/bold] wrote: Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out[/p][/quote]Follow the Chelsea method of running a club? Are you kidding me??? dazthecat
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3:40pm Sun 25 Nov 12

ycfcfooker says...

Fine let's keep the bloody chump in charge then
Fine let's keep the bloody chump in charge then ycfcfooker
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4:08pm Sun 25 Nov 12

duffy says...

skilly wrote:
openallhours wrote:
Challinor - a try hard who should perhaps drop down a league or two to prolong his career Smith - nice bloke but not good enough for 4th Div Kearns - shocker today (won't pass the ball at the right time to the right player) and gone in Jan Parslow - over-rated and out of his depth at this level Kerr - past it at this level Chambers - say no more Rodman - ask your mate Rankine if he'll swap with you Des Lyttle - an absolute joke of an individual who's wages would be better spent on a player Ingham - great servant but maybe tired of the surroundings Gary Mills - after the last 5 home games, are we not missing; J Smith, Bullock, Paddy Mac, TY, Potts and even Henderson etc...? Some difficult fixtures coming up and on this form it won't be a happy new year. I've never predicted a York defeat and never will. I don't expect miracles and I'm realistic about where we are. But I would argue that a different manager (with Football League experience) would make a better job of the resources that we have to offer.
Totally dis-agree with this post. These players do not become only conference standard overnight. Knee-jerk reaction as many of the posts on here.
Knee jerk reactions would be based on one game. This is a pattern based on a good number of games now and Mills is refusing to change regardless. The problems are there for all to see and have been from getting bullied out of the game on the opening day by a poor Wycombe side.
[quote][p][bold]skilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: Challinor - a try hard who should perhaps drop down a league or two to prolong his career Smith - nice bloke but not good enough for 4th Div Kearns - shocker today (won't pass the ball at the right time to the right player) and gone in Jan Parslow - over-rated and out of his depth at this level Kerr - past it at this level Chambers - say no more Rodman - ask your mate Rankine if he'll swap with you Des Lyttle - an absolute joke of an individual who's wages would be better spent on a player Ingham - great servant but maybe tired of the surroundings Gary Mills - after the last 5 home games, are we not missing; J Smith, Bullock, Paddy Mac, TY, Potts and even Henderson etc...? Some difficult fixtures coming up and on this form it won't be a happy new year. I've never predicted a York defeat and never will. I don't expect miracles and I'm realistic about where we are. But I would argue that a different manager (with Football League experience) would make a better job of the resources that we have to offer.[/p][/quote]Totally dis-agree with this post. These players do not become only conference standard overnight. Knee-jerk reaction as many of the posts on here.[/p][/quote]Knee jerk reactions would be based on one game. This is a pattern based on a good number of games now and Mills is refusing to change regardless. The problems are there for all to see and have been from getting bullied out of the game on the opening day by a poor Wycombe side. duffy
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4:09pm Sun 25 Nov 12

redbluelion says...

Its wrong to be calling for the sacking of garry mills ..but things have got to change now because we are sliding away down the league.if we start to struggle in away games then it won't be long until we are near the bottom fighting to stay in league two..admit your wrong mills and change thing before its too late. the reason the crowd don't get behind the team at home is the fact we can't score.we should be winning our home games.
Its wrong to be calling for the sacking of garry mills ..but things have got to change now because we are sliding away down the league.if we start to struggle in away games then it won't be long until we are near the bottom fighting to stay in league two..admit your wrong mills and change thing before its too late. the reason the crowd don't get behind the team at home is the fact we can't score.we should be winning our home games. redbluelion
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4:16pm Sun 25 Nov 12

ycfcfooker says...

Play the lad walker in a 442 he'll get us goals
Play the lad walker in a 442 he'll get us goals ycfcfooker
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4:30pm Sun 25 Nov 12

dazthecat says...

ycfcfooker wrote:
Play the lad walker in a 442 he'll get us goals
Troll
[quote][p][bold]ycfcfooker[/bold] wrote: Play the lad walker in a 442 he'll get us goals[/p][/quote]Troll dazthecat
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4:46pm Sun 25 Nov 12

RooBeck says...

ycfcfooker wrote:
Fine let's keep the bloody chump in charge then
You're been more than a bit harsh with this post! Gary Mills is a fine manager at this level, displays great leadership and has the best interests of the club at heart. His system and the style of play that he instills into his team at BC, is not working but it has done well for us during his 2 years 1 month at the club and he can say, with some justification, that fans shouldn't panic and not to knock the system because we are having a lean home spell. We as fans, have to respect his decisions because he has a tremendous record with us. BUT, he cannot ignore the current home results and possibly he will now come to realise, that there is a case for re-thinking our home tactics/formations but it is for his professional judgement. He DOES NOT deserve hard-nosed comments such as yours and we need to keep with and back this squad, get down to Rochdale on Saturday and support the team and manager. My prediction, is still a Top Seven position come next April because the main frustration of our home form, is that we are dropping points to teams who we know that we are more than capable of beating- home or away - and Gary Mills has now to find the right formations/tactics to make it happen. COYR.
[quote][p][bold]ycfcfooker[/bold] wrote: Fine let's keep the bloody chump in charge then[/p][/quote]You're been more than a bit harsh with this post! Gary Mills is a fine manager at this level, displays great leadership and has the best interests of the club at heart. His system and the style of play that he instills into his team at BC, is not working but it has done well for us during his 2 years 1 month at the club and he can say, with some justification, that fans shouldn't panic and not to knock the system because we are having a lean home spell. We as fans, have to respect his decisions because he has a tremendous record with us. BUT, he cannot ignore the current home results and possibly he will now come to realise, that there is a case for re-thinking our home tactics/formations but it is for his professional judgement. He DOES NOT deserve hard-nosed comments such as yours and we need to keep with and back this squad, get down to Rochdale on Saturday and support the team and manager. My prediction, is still a Top Seven position come next April because the main frustration of our home form, is that we are dropping points to teams who we know that we are more than capable of beating- home or away - and Gary Mills has now to find the right formations/tactics to make it happen. COYR. RooBeck
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5:20pm Sun 25 Nov 12

ycfcfooker says...

RooBeck wrote:
ycfcfooker wrote:
Fine let's keep the bloody chump in charge then
You're been more than a bit harsh with this post! Gary Mills is a fine manager at this level, displays great leadership and has the best interests of the club at heart. His system and the style of play that he instills into his team at BC, is not working but it has done well for us during his 2 years 1 month at the club and he can say, with some justification, that fans shouldn't panic and not to knock the system because we are having a lean home spell. We as fans, have to respect his decisions because he has a tremendous record with us. BUT, he cannot ignore the current home results and possibly he will now come to realise, that there is a case for re-thinking our home tactics/formations but it is for his professional judgement. He DOES NOT deserve hard-nosed comments such as yours and we need to keep with and back this squad, get down to Rochdale on Saturday and support the team and manager. My prediction, is still a Top Seven position come next April because the main frustration of our home form, is that we are dropping points to teams who we know that we are more than capable of beating- home or away - and Gary Mills has now to find the right formations/tactics to make it happen. COYR.
Fair doos
[quote][p][bold]RooBeck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ycfcfooker[/bold] wrote: Fine let's keep the bloody chump in charge then[/p][/quote]You're been more than a bit harsh with this post! Gary Mills is a fine manager at this level, displays great leadership and has the best interests of the club at heart. His system and the style of play that he instills into his team at BC, is not working but it has done well for us during his 2 years 1 month at the club and he can say, with some justification, that fans shouldn't panic and not to knock the system because we are having a lean home spell. We as fans, have to respect his decisions because he has a tremendous record with us. BUT, he cannot ignore the current home results and possibly he will now come to realise, that there is a case for re-thinking our home tactics/formations but it is for his professional judgement. He DOES NOT deserve hard-nosed comments such as yours and we need to keep with and back this squad, get down to Rochdale on Saturday and support the team and manager. My prediction, is still a Top Seven position come next April because the main frustration of our home form, is that we are dropping points to teams who we know that we are more than capable of beating- home or away - and Gary Mills has now to find the right formations/tactics to make it happen. COYR.[/p][/quote]Fair doos ycfcfooker
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5:32pm Sun 25 Nov 12

redbluelion says...

ycfcfooker wrote:
dazthecat wrote:
ycfcfooker wrote: Play the lad walker in a 442 he'll get us goals
Troll
Knob
behave children...
[quote][p][bold]ycfcfooker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ycfcfooker[/bold] wrote: Play the lad walker in a 442 he'll get us goals[/p][/quote]Troll[/p][/quote]Knob[/p][/quote]behave children... redbluelion
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6:41pm Sun 25 Nov 12

carterjason says...

Mills has shown tremendous loyalty to the team from last season, but being ruthless 3or4 are not up to playing at this level. Key areas needed filling, centre back, left back and striker this was not done and largely its a case now of try and make do, which is not working. Please mills if signing someone make sure they are better than whats already here.
Mills has shown tremendous loyalty to the team from last season, but being ruthless 3or4 are not up to playing at this level. Key areas needed filling, centre back, left back and striker this was not done and largely its a case now of try and make do, which is not working. Please mills if signing someone make sure they are better than whats already here. carterjason
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7:32pm Sun 25 Nov 12

aitch11 says...

martinbutler wrote:
Sorry to disagree with some of the above posts but Rodman and Kearns have been further poor signings ( kearns is a busy player but he has disrupted the play of the team - how many games have we won whilst he's been playing?). We are too predictable, our corners and set plays are awful ( what do we practice in training....) we need to strengthen the team ( it's weaker than last season) we desperately need a new central defender, central midfielder and striker that can play at this level (Kerr, Doig and Walker cant). Please drop Rodman and Kearns and play Paddy and Chambers on the left side. With the current team 433 doesn't work at home (it didn't most of last season) the results support this. i have to question why the players dont look up for it from the start, once again they were slow from the beginning - we dont get away with it at this level like we did last season. I thought Chandler did ok when moved into midfield ( at least he can pass the ball which was the problem in the first half) Blair doesn't work in the midfield role, he was lost today and couldn't beat the fullback. I felt sorry for Reedy as he didn't get any support and to sub him when we changed to 442 was the wrong decision. Most of this stuff is obvious to anyone watching us regularly and when the away manager says on the radio he knows how to play York and brings a poor team to beat us - it says a lot! Gary this isn't good enough and slating the supporters isn't the answer.
Drop Keans because he's disrupted the play of the team!!! So if being two footed,good at finding space,quickest player in the team,not scared to take take people on,best passer(then again you wouldn't have to be very good to be that)and i notice on Saturday when he traps the ball he doesn't have to wander after the rebound,unlike some.If all thats disruptive we could do more like him.
[quote][p][bold]martinbutler[/bold] wrote: Sorry to disagree with some of the above posts but Rodman and Kearns have been further poor signings ( kearns is a busy player but he has disrupted the play of the team - how many games have we won whilst he's been playing?). We are too predictable, our corners and set plays are awful ( what do we practice in training....) we need to strengthen the team ( it's weaker than last season) we desperately need a new central defender, central midfielder and striker that can play at this level (Kerr, Doig and Walker cant). Please drop Rodman and Kearns and play Paddy and Chambers on the left side. With the current team 433 doesn't work at home (it didn't most of last season) the results support this. i have to question why the players dont look up for it from the start, once again they were slow from the beginning - we dont get away with it at this level like we did last season. I thought Chandler did ok when moved into midfield ( at least he can pass the ball which was the problem in the first half) Blair doesn't work in the midfield role, he was lost today and couldn't beat the fullback. I felt sorry for Reedy as he didn't get any support and to sub him when we changed to 442 was the wrong decision. Most of this stuff is obvious to anyone watching us regularly and when the away manager says on the radio he knows how to play York and brings a poor team to beat us - it says a lot! Gary this isn't good enough and slating the supporters isn't the answer.[/p][/quote]Drop Keans because he's disrupted the play of the team!!! So if being two footed,good at finding space,quickest player in the team,not scared to take take people on,best passer(then again you wouldn't have to be very good to be that)and i notice on Saturday when he traps the ball he doesn't have to wander after the rebound,unlike some.If all thats disruptive we could do more like him. aitch11
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7:44pm Sun 25 Nov 12

heartbreaker says...

Right, so didn't post yesterday and wanted time to reflect! But the home form is a massive issue clearly now if it wasn't before and to be honest was the same last season but we got away with it in the end in a division with poorer teams. I don't think we will get caught in any relegation issues this season but I really want to see us push on the next couple of seasons and aim for league 1 / championship level especially with the new stadium on it's way. Unfortunately, despite being a big supporters of his and of course being grateful for last season, Mills isn't the man to do this unless something drastic changes. And yes our home form does mean drastic changes. Hopefully it can be sorted but if not I honestly think the McGills should be (never thought I'd say this a few weeks back but anyway..) potentially looking at replacements to come in at the end of the season, or possibly the last few games if we're just sat midtable with nothing to play for. People who are happy with mid table obscurity in this division need their heads checking. Swansea, Blackpool, Colchester are great examples of similar size clubs moving ahead - time to get ambitious York!

Short term wise - get Kearns in for the rest of the season, 442 at home, play players in their right positions, get McGurk back in, buy a proven striker (even if it means flexing the transfer / wage budget slightly) and let's see how we go from there.
Right, so didn't post yesterday and wanted time to reflect! But the home form is a massive issue clearly now if it wasn't before and to be honest was the same last season but we got away with it in the end in a division with poorer teams. I don't think we will get caught in any relegation issues this season but I really want to see us push on the next couple of seasons and aim for league 1 / championship level especially with the new stadium on it's way. Unfortunately, despite being a big supporters of his and of course being grateful for last season, Mills isn't the man to do this unless something drastic changes. And yes our home form does mean drastic changes. Hopefully it can be sorted but if not I honestly think the McGills should be (never thought I'd say this a few weeks back but anyway..) potentially looking at replacements to come in at the end of the season, or possibly the last few games if we're just sat midtable with nothing to play for. People who are happy with mid table obscurity in this division need their heads checking. Swansea, Blackpool, Colchester are great examples of similar size clubs moving ahead - time to get ambitious York! Short term wise - get Kearns in for the rest of the season, 442 at home, play players in their right positions, get McGurk back in, buy a proven striker (even if it means flexing the transfer / wage budget slightly) and let's see how we go from there. heartbreaker
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8:18pm Sun 25 Nov 12

thirsky says...

A line up with Reed up front is obviously no improvement than before especially when he doesnt play in a central postion. Everone seems to be playing in areas of the pitch where they are not supposed to be. How can supporters say after every match that the opposition is poor when they are getting more out of it than we are. By the time our passing movements have gone sideways, backwards, sideways, backwards, guess where most of the opposition are. Thats right, defending their own penalty area waiting to swallow up whatever is chucked at them. Kearns, probabley wont want to stay, given the opportunity. Another 2 facts, the manager doesnt know any other system and secondly, the only improvement yesterday was Inghams kicking, perhaps one day someone up front will take advantage of them.
A line up with Reed up front is obviously no improvement than before especially when he doesnt play in a central postion. Everone seems to be playing in areas of the pitch where they are not supposed to be. How can supporters say after every match that the opposition is poor when they are getting more out of it than we are. By the time our passing movements have gone sideways, backwards, sideways, backwards, guess where most of the opposition are. Thats right, defending their own penalty area waiting to swallow up whatever is chucked at them. Kearns, probabley wont want to stay, given the opportunity. Another 2 facts, the manager doesnt know any other system and secondly, the only improvement yesterday was Inghams kicking, perhaps one day someone up front will take advantage of them. thirsky
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8:22pm Sun 25 Nov 12

duffy says...

heartbreaker wrote:
Right, so didn't post yesterday and wanted time to reflect! But the home form is a massive issue clearly now if it wasn't before and to be honest was the same last season but we got away with it in the end in a division with poorer teams. I don't think we will get caught in any relegation issues this season but I really want to see us push on the next couple of seasons and aim for league 1 / championship level especially with the new stadium on it's way. Unfortunately, despite being a big supporters of his and of course being grateful for last season, Mills isn't the man to do this unless something drastic changes. And yes our home form does mean drastic changes. Hopefully it can be sorted but if not I honestly think the McGills should be (never thought I'd say this a few weeks back but anyway..) potentially looking at replacements to come in at the end of the season, or possibly the last few games if we're just sat midtable with nothing to play for. People who are happy with mid table obscurity in this division need their heads checking. Swansea, Blackpool, Colchester are great examples of similar size clubs moving ahead - time to get ambitious York!

Short term wise - get Kearns in for the rest of the season, 442 at home, play players in their right positions, get McGurk back in, buy a proven striker (even if it means flexing the transfer / wage budget slightly) and let's see how we go from there.
As much as I think Mills has got a few things wrong this season I don't think sacking him would be the right thing to do. He needs and after last season deserves the time to put things right and hopefully learn from what's gone wrong. Even given the poor start to the season he believes in playing football the right way and seems to genuinely care for the club. We often ask players and management to be loyal to us and in return we need to do the same at times.
[quote][p][bold]heartbreaker[/bold] wrote: Right, so didn't post yesterday and wanted time to reflect! But the home form is a massive issue clearly now if it wasn't before and to be honest was the same last season but we got away with it in the end in a division with poorer teams. I don't think we will get caught in any relegation issues this season but I really want to see us push on the next couple of seasons and aim for league 1 / championship level especially with the new stadium on it's way. Unfortunately, despite being a big supporters of his and of course being grateful for last season, Mills isn't the man to do this unless something drastic changes. And yes our home form does mean drastic changes. Hopefully it can be sorted but if not I honestly think the McGills should be (never thought I'd say this a few weeks back but anyway..) potentially looking at replacements to come in at the end of the season, or possibly the last few games if we're just sat midtable with nothing to play for. People who are happy with mid table obscurity in this division need their heads checking. Swansea, Blackpool, Colchester are great examples of similar size clubs moving ahead - time to get ambitious York! Short term wise - get Kearns in for the rest of the season, 442 at home, play players in their right positions, get McGurk back in, buy a proven striker (even if it means flexing the transfer / wage budget slightly) and let's see how we go from there.[/p][/quote]As much as I think Mills has got a few things wrong this season I don't think sacking him would be the right thing to do. He needs and after last season deserves the time to put things right and hopefully learn from what's gone wrong. Even given the poor start to the season he believes in playing football the right way and seems to genuinely care for the club. We often ask players and management to be loyal to us and in return we need to do the same at times. duffy
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8:25pm Sun 25 Nov 12

minstermen says...

Plese remember a lot of people on this site and talking rubbish are Luton fans just to wind everyone up and its working
Plese remember a lot of people on this site and talking rubbish are Luton fans just to wind everyone up and its working minstermen
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10:24pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Koala says...

Its obvious that most of the fans are becoming increasingly frustrated with the continuing poor City Home form. One thing that GM does need to address is his rapidly deteriorating rapport with the fans. We are not totally ignorant about football and tactics and he should at least give us a better explanation of his some of his mystifying selections!
Two weeks ago I watched a guy captain his country against a strong England u21 side and play the full 90. He's not good enough to get into a struggling League 2 side! I appreciate that GM is under many constraints in a club in York's financial position and that Gary favours the 433 system. I trust that with the current resources available he recognises that the problem is with the front 3 and to stop tinkering with the defence and midfield. We have more than enough decent defenders and more or less any combination will do the job depending on their form and fitness. Stick with the recognised mid-fielders that includes bringing Smith back but at least getting Paddy in the team. Kearns is Ok but no better than Smith or Maclaughlin. The only real problem if we must play 433 is who from the current players can best handle the challenges of this division. My suggestion would be Blair, Walker(Reed), Kearns. Lets not keep knocking the players, each and everyone of them has made a telling contribution over the past two seasons. Its up to GM to get the best out of what he has got and that will be the true test of his management skills now we are facing a few difficulties. At least Gary give us a bit more background to your decisions so that we can understand why some of them are made.
Its obvious that most of the fans are becoming increasingly frustrated with the continuing poor City Home form. One thing that GM does need to address is his rapidly deteriorating rapport with the fans. We are not totally ignorant about football and tactics and he should at least give us a better explanation of his some of his mystifying selections! Two weeks ago I watched a guy captain his country against a strong England u21 side and play the full 90. He's not good enough to get into a struggling League 2 side! I appreciate that GM is under many constraints in a club in York's financial position and that Gary favours the 433 system. I trust that with the current resources available he recognises that the problem is with the front 3 and to stop tinkering with the defence and midfield. We have more than enough decent defenders and more or less any combination will do the job depending on their form and fitness. Stick with the recognised mid-fielders that includes bringing Smith back but at least getting Paddy in the team. Kearns is Ok but no better than Smith or Maclaughlin. The only real problem if we must play 433 is who from the current players can best handle the challenges of this division. My suggestion would be Blair, Walker(Reed), Kearns. Lets not keep knocking the players, each and everyone of them has made a telling contribution over the past two seasons. Its up to GM to get the best out of what he has got and that will be the true test of his management skills now we are facing a few difficulties. At least Gary give us a bit more background to your decisions so that we can understand why some of them are made. Koala
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1:32am Mon 26 Nov 12

GreenshawGrinder says...

Four home games to look forward to during the festive period. Life can be so cruel at times!!!
Four home games to look forward to during the festive period. Life can be so cruel at times!!! GreenshawGrinder
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10:16am Mon 26 Nov 12

long distance depressive says...

I think Redwhiteblue must be a club insider! the team set-up was defensive in midfield and the first half performance was pretty poor overall. A change at halftime bringing of Parslow for Kerr seemed to lift the team and they started brightly and quickly got on top and the momentum was building with chances created and space found. Unfortunatly Mills seemed to see a completely different picture and changed things to the detriment of the momentum City had built up. Walker coming on was a good idea but he should have been played up with Reed . Bringing a lacklustre Chambers on and then leaving Kearns out left was puzzling in the extreme and tactically bonkers. Result?...the game was lost in minutes and apart from the usual bombing forward in the last 15 minutes to again try and retrieve a lost game we looked toothless. Game was lost by Mills this weekend and it's about time he realises that at some point his ego may need to accept that.
I think Redwhiteblue must be a club insider! the team set-up was defensive in midfield and the first half performance was pretty poor overall. A change at halftime bringing of Parslow for Kerr seemed to lift the team and they started brightly and quickly got on top and the momentum was building with chances created and space found. Unfortunatly Mills seemed to see a completely different picture and changed things to the detriment of the momentum City had built up. Walker coming on was a good idea but he should have been played up with Reed . Bringing a lacklustre Chambers on and then leaving Kearns out left was puzzling in the extreme and tactically bonkers. Result?...the game was lost in minutes and apart from the usual bombing forward in the last 15 minutes to again try and retrieve a lost game we looked toothless. Game was lost by Mills this weekend and it's about time he realises that at some point his ego may need to accept that. long distance depressive
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11:21am Mon 26 Nov 12

TOMCODYYCFC2469 says...

SIMPLE,

defenders in defence,

midfielders in midfield,

wingers on the wing,

strikers up front,

mr mills that's the position you signed them to play in so do it.
SIMPLE, defenders in defence, midfielders in midfield, wingers on the wing, strikers up front, mr mills that's the position you signed them to play in so do it. TOMCODYYCFC2469
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11:27am Mon 26 Nov 12

duffy says...

ed miliband wrote:
GreenshawGrinder wrote:
Four home games to look forward to during the festive period. Life can be so cruel at times!!!
and four losses the way we're going, city need rid of not only Mills but his puppet master Mcgill, aka Douglas Craig Jr
Luton or Leeds ?
[quote][p][bold]ed miliband[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GreenshawGrinder[/bold] wrote: Four home games to look forward to during the festive period. Life can be so cruel at times!!![/p][/quote]and four losses the way we're going, city need rid of not only Mills but his puppet master Mcgill, aka Douglas Craig Jr[/p][/quote]Luton or Leeds ? duffy
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11:39am Mon 26 Nov 12

TOMCODYYCFC2469 says...

banjo say's prefrence right back put the
players back in there comfort zone

positions they no there natural positions

so play them there.
banjo say's prefrence right back put the players back in there comfort zone positions they no there natural positions so play them there. TOMCODYYCFC2469
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1:04pm Mon 26 Nov 12

long distance depressive says...

TOMCODYYCFC2469 wrote:
banjo say's prefrence right back put the
players back in there comfort zone

positions they no there natural positions

so play them there.
Eh !?
[quote][p][bold]TOMCODYYCFC2469[/bold] wrote: banjo say's prefrence right back put the players back in there comfort zone positions they no there natural positions so play them there.[/p][/quote]Eh !? long distance depressive
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1:44pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Budgie says...

Mills is clutching at straws,swopping and changing the team,why Rodman was signed is behond belief,not played for a long while because of a worrying illness(though I wish him well with this). Unable to get in Aldershots team, I will say no more, I am pleased a lot of people feel the same way as myself that we need a good clear out and GM included
Mills is clutching at straws,swopping and changing the team,why Rodman was signed is behond belief,not played for a long while because of a worrying illness(though I wish him well with this). Unable to get in Aldershots team, I will say no more, I am pleased a lot of people feel the same way as myself that we need a good clear out and GM included Budgie
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1:48pm Mon 26 Nov 12

skilly says...

I accept that home form is a worry but GM should be given time to improve this. Comments about sacking him are ridiculous. I am sure the likes of Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham, Hereford etc would swap places with us instantly. A work colleague of mine supports Newport and has just seen his team lose in the FA trophy 1st round to a team from BSP south, they made the final last year (remember!)and have lost 5 of their last 6 games in the conference after a really good start. Form inevitably dips during a season and my mate can't understand the negative reaction to our minor dip in form at home. He told me to be grateful and he has no doubts York will remain in this league and finish comfortably mid-table. He fears that Newport will fade away and be consigned to more seasons in BSP. League 2 seems wonderful in comparison. COYR
I accept that home form is a worry but GM should be given time to improve this. Comments about sacking him are ridiculous. I am sure the likes of Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham, Hereford etc would swap places with us instantly. A work colleague of mine supports Newport and has just seen his team lose in the FA trophy 1st round to a team from BSP south, they made the final last year (remember!)and have lost 5 of their last 6 games in the conference after a really good start. Form inevitably dips during a season and my mate can't understand the negative reaction to our minor dip in form at home. He told me to be grateful and he has no doubts York will remain in this league and finish comfortably mid-table. He fears that Newport will fade away and be consigned to more seasons in BSP. League 2 seems wonderful in comparison. COYR skilly
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2:03pm Mon 26 Nov 12

openallhours says...

skilly wrote:
I accept that home form is a worry but GM should be given time to improve this. Comments about sacking him are ridiculous. I am sure the likes of Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham, Hereford etc would swap places with us instantly. A work colleague of mine supports Newport and has just seen his team lose in the FA trophy 1st round to a team from BSP south, they made the final last year (remember!)and have lost 5 of their last 6 games in the conference after a really good start. Form inevitably dips during a season and my mate can't understand the negative reaction to our minor dip in form at home. He told me to be grateful and he has no doubts York will remain in this league and finish comfortably mid-table. He fears that Newport will fade away and be consigned to more seasons in BSP. League 2 seems wonderful in comparison. COYR
Silly me (and all of the other City fans worried by our alarming form). You should have said earlier that your mate the Newport fan thinks we'll be ok. Phew, feel a lot better now.
[quote][p][bold]skilly[/bold] wrote: I accept that home form is a worry but GM should be given time to improve this. Comments about sacking him are ridiculous. I am sure the likes of Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham, Hereford etc would swap places with us instantly. A work colleague of mine supports Newport and has just seen his team lose in the FA trophy 1st round to a team from BSP south, they made the final last year (remember!)and have lost 5 of their last 6 games in the conference after a really good start. Form inevitably dips during a season and my mate can't understand the negative reaction to our minor dip in form at home. He told me to be grateful and he has no doubts York will remain in this league and finish comfortably mid-table. He fears that Newport will fade away and be consigned to more seasons in BSP. League 2 seems wonderful in comparison. COYR[/p][/quote]Silly me (and all of the other City fans worried by our alarming form). You should have said earlier that your mate the Newport fan thinks we'll be ok. Phew, feel a lot better now. openallhours
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2:14pm Mon 26 Nov 12

long distance depressive says...

Budgie wrote:
Mills is clutching at straws,swopping and changing the team,why Rodman was signed is behond belief,not played for a long while because of a worrying illness(though I wish him well with this). Unable to get in Aldershots team, I will say no more, I am pleased a lot of people feel the same way as myself that we need a good clear out and GM included
Oddly enough he was the most likely to score on Saturday yet got the hook very early and was replaced by Chambers !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Budgie[/bold] wrote: Mills is clutching at straws,swopping and changing the team,why Rodman was signed is behond belief,not played for a long while because of a worrying illness(though I wish him well with this). Unable to get in Aldershots team, I will say no more, I am pleased a lot of people feel the same way as myself that we need a good clear out and GM included[/p][/quote]Oddly enough he was the most likely to score on Saturday yet got the hook very early and was replaced by Chambers !!!!! long distance depressive
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2:25pm Mon 26 Nov 12

redbluelion says...

I hope away form don't drop to the level of our home form because then we really would be in trouble.we really should have signed a decent striker at the beginning of season its what we mostly needed..and we had the chane too but mills took too long thinking about it and they signed for other clubs..but i still believe he can sort out or home form.so lets keep backing him and hopefully we will manage to win at home one day soon.mills has said many time he loves being manager here..so lets treat him with a little bit of respect.i for one never expected too much this season.still think we will finish mid table.
I hope away form don't drop to the level of our home form because then we really would be in trouble.we really should have signed a decent striker at the beginning of season its what we mostly needed..and we had the chane too but mills took too long thinking about it and they signed for other clubs..but i still believe he can sort out or home form.so lets keep backing him and hopefully we will manage to win at home one day soon.mills has said many time he loves being manager here..so lets treat him with a little bit of respect.i for one never expected too much this season.still think we will finish mid table. redbluelion
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2:42pm Mon 26 Nov 12

uhtred says...

duffy wrote:
heartbreaker wrote: Right, so didn't post yesterday and wanted time to reflect! But the home form is a massive issue clearly now if it wasn't before and to be honest was the same last season but we got away with it in the end in a division with poorer teams. I don't think we will get caught in any relegation issues this season but I really want to see us push on the next couple of seasons and aim for league 1 / championship level especially with the new stadium on it's way. Unfortunately, despite being a big supporters of his and of course being grateful for last season, Mills isn't the man to do this unless something drastic changes. And yes our home form does mean drastic changes. Hopefully it can be sorted but if not I honestly think the McGills should be (never thought I'd say this a few weeks back but anyway..) potentially looking at replacements to come in at the end of the season, or possibly the last few games if we're just sat midtable with nothing to play for. People who are happy with mid table obscurity in this division need their heads checking. Swansea, Blackpool, Colchester are great examples of similar size clubs moving ahead - time to get ambitious York! Short term wise - get Kearns in for the rest of the season, 442 at home, play players in their right positions, get McGurk back in, buy a proven striker (even if it means flexing the transfer / wage budget slightly) and let's see how we go from there.
As much as I think Mills has got a few things wrong this season I don't think sacking him would be the right thing to do. He needs and after last season deserves the time to put things right and hopefully learn from what's gone wrong. Even given the poor start to the season he believes in playing football the right way and seems to genuinely care for the club. We often ask players and management to be loyal to us and in return we need to do the same at times.
christ, i agree with Duffy!
[quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heartbreaker[/bold] wrote: Right, so didn't post yesterday and wanted time to reflect! But the home form is a massive issue clearly now if it wasn't before and to be honest was the same last season but we got away with it in the end in a division with poorer teams. I don't think we will get caught in any relegation issues this season but I really want to see us push on the next couple of seasons and aim for league 1 / championship level especially with the new stadium on it's way. Unfortunately, despite being a big supporters of his and of course being grateful for last season, Mills isn't the man to do this unless something drastic changes. And yes our home form does mean drastic changes. Hopefully it can be sorted but if not I honestly think the McGills should be (never thought I'd say this a few weeks back but anyway..) potentially looking at replacements to come in at the end of the season, or possibly the last few games if we're just sat midtable with nothing to play for. People who are happy with mid table obscurity in this division need their heads checking. Swansea, Blackpool, Colchester are great examples of similar size clubs moving ahead - time to get ambitious York! Short term wise - get Kearns in for the rest of the season, 442 at home, play players in their right positions, get McGurk back in, buy a proven striker (even if it means flexing the transfer / wage budget slightly) and let's see how we go from there.[/p][/quote]As much as I think Mills has got a few things wrong this season I don't think sacking him would be the right thing to do. He needs and after last season deserves the time to put things right and hopefully learn from what's gone wrong. Even given the poor start to the season he believes in playing football the right way and seems to genuinely care for the club. We often ask players and management to be loyal to us and in return we need to do the same at times.[/p][/quote]christ, i agree with Duffy! uhtred
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4:04pm Mon 26 Nov 12

skilly says...

openallhours wrote:
skilly wrote: I accept that home form is a worry but GM should be given time to improve this. Comments about sacking him are ridiculous. I am sure the likes of Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham, Hereford etc would swap places with us instantly. A work colleague of mine supports Newport and has just seen his team lose in the FA trophy 1st round to a team from BSP south, they made the final last year (remember!)and have lost 5 of their last 6 games in the conference after a really good start. Form inevitably dips during a season and my mate can't understand the negative reaction to our minor dip in form at home. He told me to be grateful and he has no doubts York will remain in this league and finish comfortably mid-table. He fears that Newport will fade away and be consigned to more seasons in BSP. League 2 seems wonderful in comparison. COYR
Silly me (and all of the other City fans worried by our alarming form). You should have said earlier that your mate the Newport fan thinks we'll be ok. Phew, feel a lot better now.
Didn't say it makes me feel any better. Its a different perspective from another football fan. We are like many footie fans who are going through a tough patch. Nothing new in that. Its coming out the other side that matters and I think we will IMO. Hope that makes you feel better!
[quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skilly[/bold] wrote: I accept that home form is a worry but GM should be given time to improve this. Comments about sacking him are ridiculous. I am sure the likes of Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham, Hereford etc would swap places with us instantly. A work colleague of mine supports Newport and has just seen his team lose in the FA trophy 1st round to a team from BSP south, they made the final last year (remember!)and have lost 5 of their last 6 games in the conference after a really good start. Form inevitably dips during a season and my mate can't understand the negative reaction to our minor dip in form at home. He told me to be grateful and he has no doubts York will remain in this league and finish comfortably mid-table. He fears that Newport will fade away and be consigned to more seasons in BSP. League 2 seems wonderful in comparison. COYR[/p][/quote]Silly me (and all of the other City fans worried by our alarming form). You should have said earlier that your mate the Newport fan thinks we'll be ok. Phew, feel a lot better now.[/p][/quote]Didn't say it makes me feel any better. Its a different perspective from another football fan. We are like many footie fans who are going through a tough patch. Nothing new in that. Its coming out the other side that matters and I think we will IMO. Hope that makes you feel better! skilly
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7:53pm Mon 26 Nov 12

nearlyman says...

YO1 wrote:
Employing old friends and family rarley works out in business. GM should have appointed a first team coach with a proven track record at league 2 level to bring in the contacts and know how which we are clearly lacking.
would that be the board you are refering to ?
[quote][p][bold]YO1[/bold] wrote: Employing old friends and family rarley works out in business. GM should have appointed a first team coach with a proven track record at league 2 level to bring in the contacts and know how which we are clearly lacking.[/p][/quote]would that be the board you are refering to ? nearlyman
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11:18pm Mon 26 Nov 12

YO1 says...

nearlyman wrote:
YO1 wrote:
Employing old friends and family rarley works out in business. GM should have appointed a first team coach with a proven track record at league 2 level to bring in the contacts and know how which we are clearly lacking.
would that be the board you are refering to ?
No the current first team coach Des Lyttle. Nothing against him, I don't know him. But if you are going to appoint to a new position then bring in something you don't have ie recent football league knowledge of players and systems. Not more of the same ie not very good recent experience of BSQP.
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YO1[/bold] wrote: Employing old friends and family rarley works out in business. GM should have appointed a first team coach with a proven track record at league 2 level to bring in the contacts and know how which we are clearly lacking.[/p][/quote]would that be the board you are refering to ?[/p][/quote]No the current first team coach Des Lyttle. Nothing against him, I don't know him. But if you are going to appoint to a new position then bring in something you don't have ie recent football league knowledge of players and systems. Not more of the same ie not very good recent experience of BSQP. YO1
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