York City chairman calls for capacity hike at new stadium (From York Press)
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York City chairman calls for capacity hike at new community stadium
12:00pm Saturday 20th October 2012 in Sport
By Dave Flett, Sports reporter
York City supremo Jason McGill
YORK City chairman Jason McGill is lobbying council bosses to extend the capacity of the planned new community sports stadium to 8,000.
McGill is also hoping the Monks Cross arena would then have the scope to expand again and house as many as 12,000 supporters to aid York City Knights’ chances of attaining Super League status.
That would mean the site accommodating twice as many fans as is proposed under the 6,000-seated venue plans but still fewer than the impressive new grounds the Minstermen have visited for fixtures at South Yorkshire neighbours Doncaster and Rotherham this season.
City, lying 14th in the League Two standings prior to this afternoon’s home match with Dagenham & Redbridge, boast an average league gate of 4,283 this season and McGill believes the traditional rise in attendance a new stadium provides, coupled with a greater potential for success on the pitch, will mean the planned capacity would prove insufficient.
The Football League are also understood to support the City chairman’s stance, with McGill pointing out: “Promotion has made us reconsider our capacity requirements in terms of our future ambitions and aspirations.
“A capacity of 6,000 was required to be accepted into the Football League. But, now, if we look at our crowds and the 30 per cent minimum uplift in attendances a new stadium generates according to research, we would be near 6,000 so I think we’ve got to be looking at 8,000.
“That’s appropriate and sensible and you would then look at having the scope to increase that to 12,000 should the Knights aspire to becoming a Super League club. Our capacity at Bootham Crescent is 8,000 so all we are really talking about is replicating the size of our current home.”
McGill believes the cost of increasing the stadium’s capacity need not be any higher than the sum already set aside for construction expenses.
He has also been informed there would be no need for another planning application to be submitted, adding: “The construction industry needs a shot in the arm and I think, in a competitive market, it is possible to negotiate a price to build an 8,000-seater stadium at the same cost that has been allocated for a 6,000 one. We have also been advised a new planning application would not have to be made.”
McGill added it was “massively important” to the Oakgate project that the judicial review period’s deadline had now passed, meaning the plans for the stadium and retail enabling developments can no longer be challenged in court.
“It’s been a long, drawn-out process since 2003 and anybody could have raised a legal challenge against the application and business case but nobody did,” he said.
“That means it’s all systems go now for the stadium and I’m led to believe that the construction for the retail side of the scheme will begin in December.”
McGill is in the process of assembling a small team of experts to assist himself, stadium development director Ian McAndrew and community development manager Paula Stainton in coming months.
Architectural consultant Terry Ward, who was involved in the new stadiums at Chesterfield, Shrewsbury and Rotherham as well as the redevelopment of Twickenham, is already on board and talks have also been held with another individual, responsible in the past for maximising the commercial benefits when clubs move from old grounds into new ones.
A legal consultant, meanwhile, will be appointed to represent the football club in all dealings with the City of York Council, including potential lease agreements.
“The council will have their own people as well but I would not be acting in the best interests of York City if we did not appoint experts in these areas to advise us as the project progresses,” McGill explained.
The City chief went on to praise the work of City of York Council leader James Alexander and cabinet member for leisure, culture and tourism Sonja Crisp, saying: “They’ve been absolutely brilliant in getting us to this stage.
“All the meetings we’ve had have been constructive. We are now looking at the detail of what is needed in the stadium in terms of what the football and rugby clubs require but also the community and all the interested parties who will be involved in this process.
“We want the development to be inclusive and to provide facilities and community benefits for the majority of people in York.”
Comments(18)
duffy
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12:47pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:52pm Sat 20 Oct 12
In today's climate you can get an 8,000 capacity stadium for the cost of a 6,000 capacity one ?
Are housebuilders are also selling 4-bed houses for the price of a 3-bedders. ?
Are there 25% discounts available on everything in a recession ?
Are JM Packaging slashing their prices by 25% ?
Is YCFC cutting their season ticket prices and entry fees by 25% ?
In a competitive market, prices come down where demand exceeds supply where there are mass markets and scope for economies of scale.
It doesn't apply to one-off, bespoke products like football stadia, Jason. Contractors won't buy risky work at 25% discounts, and will be looking to make a profit.
Time for a reality check for Mr McGill ? Alexander and Crisp may be taken in by your smooth talk, but, not the rest of us.
If you want another 2,000 adding to the capacity, get your cheque book out, mate.
Even AndyD
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12:57pm Sat 20 Oct 12
You can look at past years attendance rates, but the population of this city has grown by 20,000 in the last ten years, if only 2% of those attended that is another 400 on average gate. Football is also as popular now as its ever been and the club are nicely building after the Craig-'crime' of 2002/3 - we are out of the Conference and on firmer ground.
Finally - if we want this stadium to be a success, it must provide what people want and be better than what we have. Nobody moves to a smaller stadium for heaven's sake. So four sides, decent capacity without being stupid (8000 for now is okay), transport links and imho - some safe standing areas (good way to increase capacity without cost?).
Most out of town grounds are a success, but this 30% uplift Mr McGill mentions is not a given and won't be achieved with something sub standard, hard to get to and soulless.
Now is the time to make correct and sensible decisions.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:58pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Get his council buddies Calamity James and Red Sonja to cut the affordable housing target from 25% to 10%, as that would add between £600,000 - 750,000 to the value of Bootham Crescent. If they cut the affordable target altogether it would add between £1m - 1.25m to BC's value.
Join the housebuilder lobby Jason, you know it makes sense !
duffy
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1:06pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Even AndyD wrote:I would agree with all of that, we will get the usual anti York City brigade on this thread as usual but no right minded person can argue that the new stadium needs to be right from the start and 6000 might have been fine as a none league club but as a league club it just does not make sense on any level. However it's crucial we get the transport links right if the club wants to carry on moving forward.
This news was as expected and yes to common sense. To average 4300, you would expect figures below and above that figure. To cap attendance at 6000, (which equates to about 4500 home fans) seems to suggest turning people away a number of times a season.
You can look at past years attendance rates, but the population of this city has grown by 20,000 in the last ten years, if only 2% of those attended that is another 400 on average gate. Football is also as popular now as its ever been and the club are nicely building after the Craig-'crime' of 2002/3 - we are out of the Conference and on firmer ground.
Finally - if we want this stadium to be a success, it must provide what people want and be better than what we have. Nobody moves to a smaller stadium for heaven's sake. So four sides, decent capacity without being stupid (8000 for now is okay), transport links and imho - some safe standing areas (good way to increase capacity without cost?).
Most out of town grounds are a success, but this 30% uplift Mr McGill mentions is not a given and won't be achieved with something sub standard, hard to get to and soulless.
Now is the time to make correct and sensible decisions.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:31pm Sat 20 Oct 12
I am not anti-YCFC, and I do not disagree that the stadium should be right from the start.
What I disagree with is the Council using any more of OUR money to fund an increase in capacity. If YCFC want it increasing they should fund it, and if they manage to produce a design that creates the extra 2,000 capacity at no theoretical extra cost, they should underwrite any cost overuns, with the Councils expenditure capped at it's current level.
duffy
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2:01pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Just remember this is NOT a stadium that's going to be owned by York City Football Club. It's a community stadium with facilities for the residents of the city of York with York City as one tenant. Given that the actual amount the council are putting in is not that huge. If this was a stadium owned by the football club I would agree but it's not.
Duffy
I am not anti-YCFC, and I do not disagree that the stadium should be right from the start.
What I disagree with is the Council using any more of OUR money to fund an increase in capacity. If YCFC want it increasing they should fund it, and if they manage to produce a design that creates the extra 2,000 capacity at no theoretical extra cost, they should underwrite any cost overuns, with the Councils expenditure capped at it's current level.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:27pm Sat 20 Oct 12
The council can't afford to fill salt bins and stopped this to save £8,500, so they certainly can't afford to chuck any more money away on this project.
Please also remember that the £14.35m subsidy from Oakgate was money that could have been put to other, equally, if not more deserving causes.
If the Council had been more commercially savy with the land sale to Harrison's for the Hiscox offices, there could have been a couple of million more from that at least. I bet Jason won't make the same mistake when he sells BC to Persimmons ? !!!!
Minsterred
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3:09pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Well done Jason for getting it this far and then pushing for the extra capacity. There is no way 6000 will be big enough and 8000 should be a minimum. Cant blame the club for trying though I wont totally believe it until work starts!
goatman
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4:26pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Hope the stadium building moves on apace now and that the supporters of both clubs soon get a new home they can be proud of!
speaks99
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7:04pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Scarlet Pimpernel
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7:12pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Great suggestion - get lobbying.
Standing at the goal ends - bring back the terraces !
The savings on the seats will pay for the crash barriers. It's a win-win solution.
Even AndyD
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7:33pm Sat 20 Oct 12
#welcome addition. :-)
Scarlet Pimpernel
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8:55pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Even AndyD wrote:Yes, I have many times, many years ago. As a Poppleton lad like yourself, I knew a couple of ex-Directors. My friend Stephen Hull's grandfather Chris was a director in the 60/70's, and several of the team worked for the family firm of housebuilders C&R Hull, in the close season, including Paul Aimson, and Kevin McMahon, plus Phil Burrows was a draughtsman for the firm too. My friend Helen Strachan's father Bob, was also an ex-chairman. So I may have actually been a supporter before you ? What a surprise, eh ?
Like the cut of your gib there, SP. You ever been to BC, btw - can see you showing a bit of passion!?
#welcome addition. :-)
Even AndyD
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9:02pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Anyone who lived in York during those heady second tier (old Div 2) days couldn't miss the excitement down BC. I started going the year they were relegated. And relegated again the following year. Then re-election. I'd seen about 50 games before I realised it was okay for us to win the odd one!
Scarlet Pimpernel
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9:09pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Even AndyD wrote:Bless - well done for staying loyal....... through thick and thin :-)
Not entirely a surprise, no. :-)
Anyone who lived in York during those heady second tier (old Div 2) days couldn't miss the excitement down BC. I started going the year they were relegated. And relegated again the following year. Then re-election. I'd seen about 50 games before I realised it was okay for us to win the odd one!
Even AndyD
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9:16pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Football - more than just a game.

eborexile says...
12:34pm Sat 20 Oct 12
Must dash the car's outside. Looking forward to the entertainment and goals this afternoon.