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York City pegged back at Bradford City in npower League Two derby clash
5:16pm Saturday 13th October 2012 in Sport
YORK City were held to a 1-1 draw in their npower League Two derby clash with Bradford City at Valley Parade.
The Minstermen took the lead a minute before the break when forward Ashley Chambers netted from the edge of the box.
However, the Bantams levelled on 59 minutes when Zavon Hines scored from close range.
Gary Mills' side are 14th in the League Two table, three points behind eighth-placed Bradford.
Comments(63)
dazthecat
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6:45pm Sat 13 Oct 12
Awesome crowd, but big question is where are all the vocal lot at home games? Atmosphere at BC has been pretty dire recently, something like what we had today would make a difference in my opinion
dazthecat
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6:45pm Sat 13 Oct 12
tips
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7:11pm Sat 13 Oct 12
duffy
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7:27pm Sat 13 Oct 12
Even AndyD
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7:40pm Sat 13 Oct 12
Superb City following of 1400.
uhtred
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7:48pm Sat 13 Oct 12
Yorkieroy60
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8:20pm Sat 13 Oct 12
YorkCityLuke
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8:34pm Sat 13 Oct 12
YO1
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9:16pm Sat 13 Oct 12
I would have brought Parslow on at right back but generally very happy with a point and what a superb following. There hasn't been any away crowds at BC to match the vocal support we take away.
OLD - HEAD
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9:19pm Sat 13 Oct 12
redwhiteblue
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9:49pm Sat 13 Oct 12
RooBeck
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10:08pm Sat 13 Oct 12
Tug job
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10:33pm Sat 13 Oct 12
rogue84
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10:36pm Sat 13 Oct 12
lets get 3 points soon though, hopefully next weekend, but against a resurgent Dagenham it will be difficult.
only downside, meredith getting stick. out of order without question.
tomwillo1
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10:47pm Sat 13 Oct 12
openallhours
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12:00am Sun 14 Oct 12
uhtred wrote:Thank you for name dropping... don't do it again!. To state the obvious (see other posts), for every good game you get from chambers, you'll get 4 or 5 not so good ones. By the way, it's 1 point today and we were lucky to get that! Go bother somebody else!
What, no comments from openallhours like "Chambers should never play for York again" - Knee jerk reactions, or is it simply jerk!
GreenshawGrinder
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12:19am Sun 14 Oct 12
joejamestom
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8:40am Sun 14 Oct 12
As for the game thought City looked out of sorts really lacking a genuine centre midfield player Blaire's pace wasted good to see Kerr looking a bit more like his former self.Reedy played a part but in no way is he a wing player. Smith was certainly the better of the two CB's today Carlisle looked short of match practice, Fyfield was certainly in contention for my MOTM but the off colour Challinor would have been my first substitution however Kearns off?? I thought he was one of the players having a good day involved in most of our good stuff. Still GM is paid to make these decisions, I am not sure that having the 3rd Coach on the bench is not muddying the decision making? The goal by Hines was a disappointment from a defensive point of view he rode 3 or 4 ineffective .challenges to finish well. Overall for me two points lost perhaps, but it could have gone either way as there was no gulf in class between the teams if GM can get us ticking we have just about got the talent to be looking at the play offs Cmon City!!!!
Let It Loose
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10:34am Sun 14 Oct 12
redwhiteblue
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11:07am Sun 14 Oct 12
duffy
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11:32am Sun 14 Oct 12
redwhiteblue wrote:Regarding Reed the problem is Mills obviously has no faith in him, he needs a run in the team as any player does to get up to his best but that's never going to happen. We know we can get points away but it's now back to BC next and Mr Mills has to find a way to win at home one way or another. It's ok taking a point away if you follow that up with a win but as we know we can't do that at the moment.
openallhours - if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Chambers was great yesterday - he always puts in 100% - all players have good days and bad days, but as long as he's trying then he get my vote. Reed - jury out!!!
YorkCityLuke
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11:35am Sun 14 Oct 12
openallhours wrote:Hahaha, yeah "don't do it again"... or else openallhours will do absolutely nothing to you, because it's a free-to-use, anonymous message board! What a clown.
uhtred wrote:Thank you for name dropping... don't do it again!. To state the obvious (see other posts), for every good game you get from chambers, you'll get 4 or 5 not so good ones. By the way, it's 1 point today and we were lucky to get that! Go bother somebody else!
What, no comments from openallhours like "Chambers should never play for York again" - Knee jerk reactions, or is it simply jerk!
duffy
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11:41am Sun 14 Oct 12
YorkCityLuke wrote:Next to you two I think we might be best friends.
openallhours wrote:Hahaha, yeah "don't do it again"... or else openallhours will do absolutely nothing to you, because it's a free-to-use, anonymous message board! What a clown.
uhtred wrote:Thank you for name dropping... don't do it again!. To state the obvious (see other posts), for every good game you get from chambers, you'll get 4 or 5 not so good ones. By the way, it's 1 point today and we were lucky to get that! Go bother somebody else!
What, no comments from openallhours like "Chambers should never play for York again" - Knee jerk reactions, or is it simply jerk!
uhtred
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11:57am Sun 14 Oct 12
duffy wrote:Although your glass is half full Duffy your comments are always reasoned, entertaining and sensible,even though not always balanced with the positives; I would not therefore put you anywher near thesame bracket as oah.
YorkCityLuke wrote:Next to you two I think we might be best friends.openallhours wrote:Hahaha, yeah "don't do it again"... or else openallhours will do absolutely nothing to you, because it's a free-to-use, anonymous message board! What a clown.uhtred wrote: What, no comments from openallhours like "Chambers should never play for York again" - Knee jerk reactions, or is it simply jerk!Thank you for name dropping... don't do it again!. To state the obvious (see other posts), for every good game you get from chambers, you'll get 4 or 5 not so good ones. By the way, it's 1 point today and we were lucky to get that! Go bother somebody else!
openallhours
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12:07pm Sun 14 Oct 12
YorkCityLuke wrote:You're very easily agitated, quick to name call and your distorted views are quite frankly hilarious. Anyway, that's the very last I'll say on the subject as life is way too short to be entertaining the likes of you!
openallhours wrote:Hahaha, yeah "don't do it again"... or else openallhours will do absolutely nothing to you, because it's a free-to-use, anonymous message board! What a clown.
uhtred wrote:Thank you for name dropping... don't do it again!. To state the obvious (see other posts), for every good game you get from chambers, you'll get 4 or 5 not so good ones. By the way, it's 1 point today and we were lucky to get that! Go bother somebody else!
What, no comments from openallhours like "Chambers should never play for York again" - Knee jerk reactions, or is it simply jerk!
Budgie
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1:14pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Some old bloke
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1:23pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Phil, Leeds
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1:45pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Bit unfair to be critical of Jamie Reed. He's an out and out striker and will never be at his best in the way that he's currently and occasionally used.
The stick that Meredith got was completely fair IMO - that's what happens in football, just accept and enjoy it!
B1YCFC
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1:47pm Sun 14 Oct 12
B1YCFC
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2:01pm Sun 14 Oct 12
uhtred
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2:22pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Budgie wrote:eh? who said he was great , simply said he was a confidence player who is very good on his day and didn't deserve the comments oah made about him!
Chambers, one goal makes him great. What a joke.
king-albert
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3:07pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Let It Loose wrote:A number of the Bradford fans were shocked by the aggressive chants including the words ***t or ****e - from a seemingly large number of the York supporters.
Good performance by York, after 1st 20 mins. Tired display from Bradford, compared to previous home games. Top finish by Chambers but there was a 'could have gone anywhere' feeling about it. York restricted to long range efforts...Bradford a few half chances and a couple of near misses in 2nd half. All in all a draw the right result. Away support could have been better...more chanting to wind up the home fans than to back the team! There was a depressing inevitability about the 'wanna go home' chants and Meredith boos! How about a bit of imagination?!
This led to a debate as to an appropriate collective noun for such supporters.....
They were also puzzled as to how such chants could motivate the team.
As for the treatment of James Meredith - it was both inappropriate and disgusting.
The football was entertaining and full of promise for the future. We may not move up this season - but with Mills at the helm we should be well prepared for next season.
And finally - a suggested chant for next season.... "If you love citeeee sit down!" -
Ok - maybe not
cityforthepremier
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3:27pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Minsterred
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3:37pm Sun 14 Oct 12
If anybody needs a reality check I have just looked through yesterdays Blue Square fixtures and it made me shudder. Personally I think Its a great time to be a city fan.
Keith...lad
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5:42pm Sun 14 Oct 12
YO1 wrote:Not just Reed and Challinor to blame for goal.Weak defending by Blair and Kerr also.But over good performance and atmosphere
Good performance, perhaps fortunate to get away with it in the second half. I thought we were weak down the right with Reedy and Challinor before the goal, then their lad went through them like butter.
I would have brought Parslow on at right back but generally very happy with a point and what a superb following. There hasn't been any away crowds at BC to match the vocal support we take away.
RooBeck
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5:59pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Keith...lad wrote:Meredith and Hines were allowed to run along two thirds of their left flank and our challenges against both were no-where near good enough and when Hines got into the box, our defenders took a step away from him with their arms raised in the I haven't touched him gesture! This was just not good enough and we need to get a bit more street-wise and put in some "hard" tackles/challenges in such situations, even if someone has to give away a free-kick or pen. and take a yellow card. Better than just standing-off and allowing them to run the ball into our goal un-challenged! Lanre Oyebanjo with all his pace, might just have got in a telling tackle/challenge?
YO1 wrote:Not just Reed and Challinor to blame for goal.Weak defending by Blair and Kerr also.But over good performance and atmosphere
Good performance, perhaps fortunate to get away with it in the second half. I thought we were weak down the right with Reedy and Challinor before the goal, then their lad went through them like butter.
I would have brought Parslow on at right back but generally very happy with a point and what a superb following. There hasn't been any away crowds at BC to match the vocal support we take away.
Keith...lad
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6:36pm Sun 14 Oct 12
duffy wrote:Thought Challinor did ok,was at time a bit exposed because of lack of support from team mates.Thought more than anybody Blair or Kerr should have stopped Bradfords goal,intstead both shyed away from a challege.Good game and atmosphere.
Not the best of games but a very good point. Challinor had a bit of a mare but a good shift again from the likes of Walker and Blair and oh how it's good to see Kerr back. Good support from the city fans but did Meredith really have to get all that abuse ?
Keith...lad
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6:37pm Sun 14 Oct 12
RooBeck wrote:Quite agree with u RooBeck
Keith...lad wrote:Meredith and Hines were allowed to run along two thirds of their left flank and our challenges against both were no-where near good enough and when Hines got into the box, our defenders took a step away from him with their arms raised in the I haven't touched him gesture! This was just not good enough and we need to get a bit more street-wise and put in some "hard" tackles/challenges in such situations, even if someone has to give away a free-kick or pen. and take a yellow card. Better than just standing-off and allowing them to run the ball into our goal un-challenged! Lanre Oyebanjo with all his pace, might just have got in a telling tackle/challenge?
YO1 wrote:Not just Reed and Challinor to blame for goal.Weak defending by Blair and Kerr also.But over good performance and atmosphere
Good performance, perhaps fortunate to get away with it in the second half. I thought we were weak down the right with Reedy and Challinor before the goal, then their lad went through them like butter.
I would have brought Parslow on at right back but generally very happy with a point and what a superb following. There hasn't been any away crowds at BC to match the vocal support we take away.
duffy
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7:17pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Keith...lad wrote:He was at times but overall he was poor for me, balls into the box were very poor. For the goal yes Kerr certainly for one let the player go straight round him. It was a pretty crap goal from our perspective.
duffy wrote:Thought Challinor did ok,was at time a bit exposed because of lack of support from team mates.Thought more than anybody Blair or Kerr should have stopped Bradfords goal,intstead both shyed away from a challege.Good game and atmosphere.
Not the best of games but a very good point. Challinor had a bit of a mare but a good shift again from the likes of Walker and Blair and oh how it's good to see Kerr back. Good support from the city fans but did Meredith really have to get all that abuse ?
swh1963
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8:06pm Sun 14 Oct 12
We're playing a league higher than last season and feeling the comparative strain but we'll be ok - mid table with an outside chance of the playoffs I reckon. I'm still loving being back in the league and playing well (though yet to match the heights of early season last year).
Kerr tired a bit I think but great to have him back and getting back to his best.
I was a Chambers doubter last season but his all-round contribution this year is impressive as well as his outstanding finish yesterday. Agree Reed needs a run if only a run as a sub with 20-25 minutes to go when we need it.
OLD - HEAD
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8:23pm Sun 14 Oct 12
alimount
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8:29pm Sun 14 Oct 12
king-albert wrote:Sounds like the same 'supporters' that were at Donny were there yesterday then. Put me right off away games after that match.
Let It Loose wrote:A number of the Bradford fans were shocked by the aggressive chants including the words ***t or ****e - from a seemingly large number of the York supporters.
Good performance by York, after 1st 20 mins. Tired display from Bradford, compared to previous home games. Top finish by Chambers but there was a 'could have gone anywhere' feeling about it. York restricted to long range efforts...Bradford a few half chances and a couple of near misses in 2nd half. All in all a draw the right result. Away support could have been better...more chanting to wind up the home fans than to back the team! There was a depressing inevitability about the 'wanna go home' chants and Meredith boos! How about a bit of imagination?!
This led to a debate as to an appropriate collective noun for such supporters.....
They were also puzzled as to how such chants could motivate the team.
As for the treatment of James Meredith - it was both inappropriate and disgusting.
The football was entertaining and full of promise for the future. We may not move up this season - but with Mills at the helm we should be well prepared for next season.
And finally - a suggested chant for next season.... "If you love citeeee sit down!" -
Ok - maybe not
Let It Loose
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8:37pm Sun 14 Oct 12
garnham
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9:24pm Sun 14 Oct 12
I hope the moaning minies at BC stop the negative chuntering & start cheering the team on. There's nowt worse than half the crowd not joining in with a cheer or applause.
The moaners obviously are stay at homers as our 1400 on Saturday did a great job, except the panto boo boys. Don't they realise all they achieve is to egg on the said villain to up his game.
Who was it that passed to he guy who scored for Bradford ?
Edsoni
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11:02pm Sun 14 Oct 12
duffy wrote:Agreed. Challinor always made himself available for the pass from the centre halves but because his right side forward player didn't support he resorted to lumping the ball forward and often over hit his passes or probably more accurate to say he got his angles wrong from around the halfway line. But he can claim half an assist for the classy Chambers' goal. Apart from the ten minutes when they could have had three we controlled much of the possession without really threatening. Happy with the draw but I would have liked a few more shots given the possession. Hats off to Meredith for his end of match response to applaud us - despite the barracking.
Keith...lad wrote:He was at times but overall he was poor for me, balls into the box were very poor. For the goal yes Kerr certainly for one let the player go straight round him. It was a pretty crap goal from our perspective.
duffy wrote:Thought Challinor did ok,was at time a bit exposed because of lack of support from team mates.Thought more than anybody Blair or Kerr should have stopped Bradfords goal,intstead both shyed away from a challege.Good game and atmosphere.
Not the best of games but a very good point. Challinor had a bit of a mare but a good shift again from the likes of Walker and Blair and oh how it's good to see Kerr back. Good support from the city fans but did Meredith really have to get all that abuse ?
thirsky
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12:24am Mon 15 Oct 12
roobarb85
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8:32am Mon 15 Oct 12
As last season showed and this season is proving we're great away where we have space to counter attack and our "nippy little forwards" are effective, but not so good at home when we've got to make the first move. It's almost as if we need 2 front lines. A Reed/Blair one for full-on attack at home and a Walker-led one for hitting people on the break away from BC.
Pity Johnson doesn't seem to be making a play for that 'leader of the pack' home role.
IntelXXX
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10:08am Mon 15 Oct 12
tips wrote:Were you there against Fleetwood Tips. I sing louder in the Shower! Maybe the Nomads had course work to do :-)
Was you there V Coventry dazethecat ? Thought the vocal backing that night was outstanding
tips
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11:15am Mon 15 Oct 12
Phil, Leeds
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1:58pm Mon 15 Oct 12
YoRkIe59
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2:55pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Wind Mills
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4:22pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Yes Chambers had a better game on Saturday (not hard on recent performances!!) and scored a very good goal, but a good goal and mediocre performance doesn't change the fact for the last 5 games he has been very poor. He was also the player that gave the ball away for Bradfords equaliser and before you all jump on the bandwagon, yes it still should have been dealt with, but that doesn't change the fact he gave the ball away.
On his day, when his confidence up there isnt a better player at York than Chambers, the only problem is that player only appears 3 to 4 times a season.
We are already carrying several mediocre BSP players (C Smith, Challinor to name a couple) and cant afford to carry another player like Chambers week in week out. Especially when we have better at he club. He should be rested and given his chance from the bench.
Before 90% of you tell me to be more positive and get behind the team, I'm not all about doom and gloom and I'm positive the team will do OK this season, but as a paying customer (and have been for 30 years) surely I'm entitled to have and voice my opinion.
I will continue to get behind the team every game regardless of Mills team selection and tatics even without the rose tinted spectacles so many of you seem to be wearing.
CTID
openallhours
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4:38pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Wind Mills wrote:An excellent post very well put!
What planet are some of you on?
Yes Chambers had a better game on Saturday (not hard on recent performances!!) and scored a very good goal, but a good goal and mediocre performance doesn't change the fact for the last 5 games he has been very poor. He was also the player that gave the ball away for Bradfords equaliser and before you all jump on the bandwagon, yes it still should have been dealt with, but that doesn't change the fact he gave the ball away.
On his day, when his confidence up there isnt a better player at York than Chambers, the only problem is that player only appears 3 to 4 times a season.
We are already carrying several mediocre BSP players (C Smith, Challinor to name a couple) and cant afford to carry another player like Chambers week in week out. Especially when we have better at he club. He should be rested and given his chance from the bench.
Before 90% of you tell me to be more positive and get behind the team, I'm not all about doom and gloom and I'm positive the team will do OK this season, but as a paying customer (and have been for 30 years) surely I'm entitled to have and voice my opinion.
I will continue to get behind the team every game regardless of Mills team selection and tatics even without the rose tinted spectacles so many of you seem to be wearing.
CTID
YorkCityLuke
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7:55pm Mon 15 Oct 12
openallhours wrote:Same person, surely.
Wind Mills wrote:An excellent post very well put!
What planet are some of you on?
Yes Chambers had a better game on Saturday (not hard on recent performances!!) and scored a very good goal, but a good goal and mediocre performance doesn't change the fact for the last 5 games he has been very poor. He was also the player that gave the ball away for Bradfords equaliser and before you all jump on the bandwagon, yes it still should have been dealt with, but that doesn't change the fact he gave the ball away.
On his day, when his confidence up there isnt a better player at York than Chambers, the only problem is that player only appears 3 to 4 times a season.
We are already carrying several mediocre BSP players (C Smith, Challinor to name a couple) and cant afford to carry another player like Chambers week in week out. Especially when we have better at he club. He should be rested and given his chance from the bench.
Before 90% of you tell me to be more positive and get behind the team, I'm not all about doom and gloom and I'm positive the team will do OK this season, but as a paying customer (and have been for 30 years) surely I'm entitled to have and voice my opinion.
I will continue to get behind the team every game regardless of Mills team selection and tatics even without the rose tinted spectacles so many of you seem to be wearing.
CTID
dazthecat
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8:59pm Mon 15 Oct 12
tips wrote:I wasn't, I don't live in York so unfortunately mid-week games are tough for me to make, and if that's the case then I stand corrected.
Was you there V Coventry dazethecat ? Thought the vocal backing that night was outstanding
Having said that, I was at the Cheltenham game and noticed inghams clear frustration at the lack of vocal support, and Rotherham wasn't much better. The excitement of being back in the league really seems to have faded fast on the terraces
Wind Mills
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9:01am Tue 16 Oct 12
YorkCityLuke wrote:Just because 2 or 3 people share similar views to the majority of sheep on here doesn't mean they have to be the same person!
openallhours wrote:Same person, surely.
Wind Mills wrote:An excellent post very well put!
What planet are some of you on?
Yes Chambers had a better game on Saturday (not hard on recent performances!!) and scored a very good goal, but a good goal and mediocre performance doesn't change the fact for the last 5 games he has been very poor. He was also the player that gave the ball away for Bradfords equaliser and before you all jump on the bandwagon, yes it still should have been dealt with, but that doesn't change the fact he gave the ball away.
On his day, when his confidence up there isnt a better player at York than Chambers, the only problem is that player only appears 3 to 4 times a season.
We are already carrying several mediocre BSP players (C Smith, Challinor to name a couple) and cant afford to carry another player like Chambers week in week out. Especially when we have better at he club. He should be rested and given his chance from the bench.
Before 90% of you tell me to be more positive and get behind the team, I'm not all about doom and gloom and I'm positive the team will do OK this season, but as a paying customer (and have been for 30 years) surely I'm entitled to have and voice my opinion.
I will continue to get behind the team every game regardless of Mills team selection and tatics even without the rose tinted spectacles so many of you seem to be wearing.
CTID
Believe it or not you are entitled to your opinion, you don't have to follow what other people on here say.
Just shows how deluded some are on this forum. I'm not the same the person as you stated so man up and get some opinions of your own
YorkCityLuke
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12:52pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Wind Mills wrote:Same attitude, same style of writing, same absurb opinions = same person. Try harder next time.
YorkCityLuke wrote:Just because 2 or 3 people share similar views to the majority of sheep on here doesn't mean they have to be the same person!
openallhours wrote:Same person, surely.
Wind Mills wrote:An excellent post very well put!
What planet are some of you on?
Yes Chambers had a better game on Saturday (not hard on recent performances!!) and scored a very good goal, but a good goal and mediocre performance doesn't change the fact for the last 5 games he has been very poor. He was also the player that gave the ball away for Bradfords equaliser and before you all jump on the bandwagon, yes it still should have been dealt with, but that doesn't change the fact he gave the ball away.
On his day, when his confidence up there isnt a better player at York than Chambers, the only problem is that player only appears 3 to 4 times a season.
We are already carrying several mediocre BSP players (C Smith, Challinor to name a couple) and cant afford to carry another player like Chambers week in week out. Especially when we have better at he club. He should be rested and given his chance from the bench.
Before 90% of you tell me to be more positive and get behind the team, I'm not all about doom and gloom and I'm positive the team will do OK this season, but as a paying customer (and have been for 30 years) surely I'm entitled to have and voice my opinion.
I will continue to get behind the team every game regardless of Mills team selection and tatics even without the rose tinted spectacles so many of you seem to be wearing.
CTID
Believe it or not you are entitled to your opinion, you don't have to follow what other people on here say.
Just shows how deluded some are on this forum. I'm not the same the person as you stated so man up and get some opinions of your own
openallhours
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1:53pm Tue 16 Oct 12
YorkCityLuke
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3:51pm Tue 16 Oct 12
openallhours wrote:Ah, a comedy routine. Brilliant.
Note to Wind Mills - don't get suckered in to responding to the cretin. Absolute waste of space.
Wind Mills
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6:24pm Tue 16 Oct 12
YorkCityLuke wrote:Yes sorry I should have known not to feed the animals!
openallhours wrote:Ah, a comedy routine. Brilliant.
Note to Wind Mills - don't get suckered in to responding to the cretin. Absolute waste of space.
You carry on being a sheep Luke, I expect your next post to simply read "Baaaa"
Wind Mills
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6:24pm Tue 16 Oct 12
YorkCityLuke wrote:Yes sorry I should have known not to feed the animals!
openallhours wrote:Ah, a comedy routine. Brilliant.
Note to Wind Mills - don't get suckered in to responding to the cretin. Absolute waste of space.
You carry on being a sheep Luke, I expect your next post to simply read "Baaaa"
YorkCityLuke
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6:53pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Wind Mills wrote:Sorry, what? Where did sheep come into this? Are you feeling ok, Openallhours?
YorkCityLuke wrote:Yes sorry I should have known not to feed the animals!
openallhours wrote:Ah, a comedy routine. Brilliant.
Note to Wind Mills - don't get suckered in to responding to the cretin. Absolute waste of space.
You carry on being a sheep Luke, I expect your next post to simply read "Baaaa"
tips says...
6:19pm Sat 13 Oct 12