York City earn fourth successive draw after Keith Lowe equaliser at Exeter

Exeter City 1, York City 1

David Wheeler puts Exeter 1-0 up against York City

Keith Lowe wheels away in celebration after equalising for York City at Exeter

Recalled goalkeeper Michael Ingham with York City skipper Russell Penn at the final whistle

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FORGET Made in Chelsea, York City’s point-winning equaliser at Exeter might be best described as made in Cheltenham.

Keith Lowe leapt like a Gold Cup thoroughbred to head in his second goal of the season following an 82nd-minute corner from former Whaddon Road team-mate Luke Summerfield with City reaping the benefit of a dead-ball routine that was, no doubt, first honed at the Gloucestershire club.

The pair spent a season together with the Robins back in 2011/12 and, during 90 minutes at St James Park, centre-back Lowe could have easily claimed a hat-trick after getting his head to a quartet of Summerfield flag kicks on an afternoon when both defences looked vulnerable.

While the hosts’ zonal marking policy at set-pieces seemed ill-advised at Sky Bet League Two level, the visitors’ troubles in dealing with long-searching balls behind their back line will have been equally as disconcerting for City chief Nigel Worthington.

Dave Winfield was preferred to John McCombe in Saturday’s starting line-up but his partnership with Lowe looked a little flat-footed and a more threatening strikeforce than converted centre-back Scott Bennett and Graham Cummins, who has failed to net in a dozen matches, would surely have capitalised on such uncertainty and tentativeness.

Recalled keeper Michael Ingham also endured a tough opening during his first start since January.

Ingham’s misjudgement from Matt Oakley’s eight-minute cross gifted the Grecians an early lead, courtesy of David Wheeler’s header.

But City’s long-serving, shot-stopper, dropped for on-loan Charlton net-minder Nick Pope seven months ago and overlooked for selection at the start of the current campaign, did look more settled after the interval.

Whether he resurrects his Bootham Crescent career in coming matches could now depend on an ability to regain the self-belief that characterised six seasons of sterling service for the club prior to him becoming a negative keeper, by his own admission, last term.

Former Premier League midfielder Oakley, now 37, had already planted a fourth-minute corner on to the head of an unmarked Cummins before he delivered the telling cross from the inside-left channel that lured Ingham into no man’s land.

Whereas Cummins headed his chance over, Wheeler’s task was made all the more easier by Ingham’s error as he nodded into an inviting, unmanned net from ten yards.

City responded with an Anthony Straker drive into the sidenetting after a positive raid down the right wing by Tom Platt.

Lowe also headed wide from the first of his Summerfield-created chances on 31 minutes and Straker got his bearings wrong with n edge-of-the-box, half-volleyed opportunity.

City continued to probe on the restart with Summerfield curling over a 25-yard free kick after Jake Hyde had seen a promising break snuffed out by a touch of hesitancy and determined Exeter defending.

Hyde went on to curl a 15-yard effort too high from Michael Coulson’s lay-off, while Russell Penn sliced over from closer in on 80 minutes.

Seconds later, Lowe issued another warning for Paul Tisdale’s men when he brushed the top of the netting from a Summerfield corner before the pair combined again to level the scores with the visitors’ first on-target effort after Coulson’s positive raid through the left channel had been halted in its tracks.

This time, last season’s Press Player of the Year made no mistake, netting from a matter of feet with a downward header after charging purposefully into the Grecians’ six-yard box.

Bennett went on to miss the target with a rare 20-yard, second-half opportunity at the other end of the pitch but, after a bouncing volley by substitute Wes Fletcher was routinely saved by Christy Pym, Lowe still had a further opportunity to net from a Summerfield set-piece.

A split second before referee Steve Martin blew his whistle for full-time, Lowe popped up unchallenged in the home six-yard box once more but his close-range attempt was grabbed by a relieved Pym.

The save left City to reflect on an unbeaten start to the season that has seen them share the spoils in each of their opening four league fixtures for the first time in the club’s history.

The result also means, however, that the Minstermen have equalled their longest wait for a win at the beginning of a campaign in 20 years since the club went six matches without tasting victory during the early throes of 1994/95.

Worthington, who saw his team hovering above the relegation zone at the turn of this year following a run of ten draws from last season’s first 23 fixtures, knows all too well the importance of turning those points into maximum hauls.


Match facts

Exeter 1 (Wheeler 8), York City (Lowe 82)

York City

Michael Ingham 6 – looked anxious in early stages on his long-awaited recall, leading to his error, but settled after the break

Marvin McCoy 7 – solid throughout and played several positive forward passes from his full-back position

Keith Lowe 6 – constant threat from set-pieces and should have added to his goal, but got turned around a few times at the back

Dave Winfield 6 – looked ill at ease when Exeter tested him with long searching forward balls and partnership with Lowe didn’t convince

Femi Ilesanmi 7 – rarely beaten by his winger and provided a resolute presence throughout the afternoon

Tom Platt 6 – made some positive bursts in an alien position, but end product might have been better at times

Russell Penn 6 – skied a decent chance over the bar and not as prominent as usual in the middle of the park

Luke Summerfield: STAR MAN 7 – his excellently-delivered corners caused Exeter all sorts of problems

Anthony Straker 6 – missed the target with a couple or promising first-half opportunities and was replaced early in the second period

Jake Hyde 6 – lacked sharpness when bearing down on goal seconds into the restart and made few inroads in attack

Michael Coulson 7 – grafted away but more effective when he was move out of the centre and on to the left flank

Subs: Meikle 7 - positive (for Straker, 54), Fletcher 7 – eager (for Platt, 62), Ben Hirst (for Hyde, 78).

Subs not used: Jason Mooney, John McCombe, Daniel Parslow, Lewis Montrose.

Exeter City

Christy Pym, David Wheeler, Matt Oakley, Pat Baldwin, Andy Woodman, Aaron Davies, Liam Sercombe, Aaron Dawson, Matt Grimes (Jimmy Keohane, 80), Scott Bennett, Graham Cummins. Subs not used: James Hamon, Connor Riley-Lowe, Jordan Tillson, Matt Jay, Jason Pope, Ollie Watkins.

Star man: Oakley – solid at the back and also delivered telling balls into City box.

Referee: Steve Martin (Renfrewshire).

Rating: 7/10 – not a Hollywood performance but acted sensibly.

Booked: None.

Attendance: 2,741 (141 from City) Shots on target: Exeter 3, City 3.

Shots off target: Exeter 2, City 10.

Corners: Exeter 5, City 9.

Fouls conceded: Exeter 9, City 9.

Offsides: Exeter 4, City 2.

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5:26pm Sat 23 Aug 14

whaticeberg says...

Buy a decent keeper quick. The reasons are staring you in the face Nigel!
Buy a decent keeper quick. The reasons are staring you in the face Nigel! whaticeberg
  • Score: 10

5:36pm Sat 23 Aug 14

bill bailey says...

IF the report is right the referee travelled from RENFREWSHIRE to EXETER
to ref the game, Haven't we got enough in ENGLAND ? Roll on when Scotland get independence . OH, I forgot nothing new about the result, The flags will be a hanging when the win comes.
IF the report is right the referee travelled from RENFREWSHIRE to EXETER to ref the game, Haven't we got enough in ENGLAND ? Roll on when Scotland get independence . OH, I forgot nothing new about the result, The flags will be a hanging when the win comes. bill bailey
  • Score: -16

5:37pm Sat 23 Aug 14

magnard says...

lacklustre performance and a poor game but Fletcher and Meikle made the difference and we could even have nicked a win. Ingham made a mistake (two in fact) but that doesn't mean we have a goalkeeping crisis, he's a good keeper.
lacklustre performance and a poor game but Fletcher and Meikle made the difference and we could even have nicked a win. Ingham made a mistake (two in fact) but that doesn't mean we have a goalkeeping crisis, he's a good keeper. magnard
  • Score: -3

6:48pm Sat 23 Aug 14

joejamestom says...

I had this one down as a 2-0 win for us, a trip too far for us & its frustrating supporting City at the moment as we seem destined not to get wins.
It did give me the chance to listen to the commentary though & I did find it lacked detail & was not exactly a colourful experience saying what happened but with little description of the how it happened, I am hopeful as the new commentary team bed in it can improve.
Hopefully things will improve on the pitch as we seemed to lack the energy early on that has made us entertaining to watch. Still I have faith with this group of players that NW can produce some winning performances soon.
I had this one down as a 2-0 win for us, a trip too far for us & its frustrating supporting City at the moment as we seem destined not to get wins. It did give me the chance to listen to the commentary though & I did find it lacked detail & was not exactly a colourful experience saying what happened but with little description of the how it happened, I am hopeful as the new commentary team bed in it can improve. Hopefully things will improve on the pitch as we seemed to lack the energy early on that has made us entertaining to watch. Still I have faith with this group of players that NW can produce some winning performances soon. joejamestom
  • Score: 6

7:15pm Sat 23 Aug 14

YorkCityLuke says...

Ingham hasn't had a first team game for quite a while - it will take time to get back into it. Not a bad away result and coming back for a draw always feels like a win, but it will be a relief for everyone to get 3 points on the board.
Ingham hasn't had a first team game for quite a while - it will take time to get back into it. Not a bad away result and coming back for a draw always feels like a win, but it will be a relief for everyone to get 3 points on the board. YorkCityLuke
  • Score: 5

7:20pm Sat 23 Aug 14

PositiveFootball says...

Wycombe had a good win away at Stevenage today. Sounded like we were a little lack lustre today, but sure we'll come back brighter next week and take our first win by a good margin.
Wycombe had a good win away at Stevenage today. Sounded like we were a little lack lustre today, but sure we'll come back brighter next week and take our first win by a good margin. PositiveFootball
  • Score: 4

7:29pm Sat 23 Aug 14

pip007 says...

Blue shorts. No one ever won anything wearing blue shorts.
Blue shorts. No one ever won anything wearing blue shorts. pip007
  • Score: -2

7:31pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Paddycat says...

Listened on Radio York and it appears we couldn't really get it together against a poor Exeter side. Lets hope it was just a bad day for us, because to my mind we do have a goal keeping problem and a goal scoring problem at the moment.
I think we're better off admitting to our weaknesses and then trying to address them, rather than saying all will be well because we don't want to offend anyone. By the way dropping someone, substituting them or even transferring them doesn't say anything about them as people just says they're not right for that team at that moment. ' Successful teams are about the right blend and doing the key things properly, having a goalkeeper that is at odds with his defence is not one of them nor are strikers who show nothing but potential.' As the Mrs says 'It's about time you came up with the goods,'
Bless her.
Listened on Radio York and it appears we couldn't really get it together against a poor Exeter side. Lets hope it was just a bad day for us, because to my mind we do have a goal keeping problem and a goal scoring problem at the moment. I think we're better off admitting to our weaknesses and then trying to address them, rather than saying all will be well because we don't want to offend anyone. By the way dropping someone, substituting them or even transferring them doesn't say anything about them as people just says they're not right for that team at that moment. ' Successful teams are about the right blend and doing the key things properly, having a goalkeeper that is at odds with his defence is not one of them nor are strikers who show nothing but potential.' As the Mrs says 'It's about time you came up with the goods,' Bless her. Paddycat
  • Score: 7

8:01pm Sat 23 Aug 14

dadster says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
Ingham hasn't had a first team game for quite a while - it will take time to get back into it. Not a bad away result and coming back for a draw always feels like a win, but it will be a relief for everyone to get 3 points on the board.
I agree Ingham should be given a few games to prove himself and its never easy to just come straight in and perform but its interesting that Ingham is not getting heavily criticised so far on here for costing us a goal when Mooney was getting criticised after the Tranmere game by some despite the same situation of it being his first game. I guess Ingham has more leeway with many due to his history with the club which I can understand but if he doesn't improve then I have no doubt NW will delve into the loan market as he has shown he's ruthless if he thinks players aren't performing.

Disappointing result but at least we got a point despite a poor performance by the sound of it. Have to say I was surprised Platt played on the right instead of Miekle but hopefully someone who was there can comment better on whether this worked or not.

We need to get some wins on the board otherwise we are going to be playing catch up again early in the season.
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: Ingham hasn't had a first team game for quite a while - it will take time to get back into it. Not a bad away result and coming back for a draw always feels like a win, but it will be a relief for everyone to get 3 points on the board.[/p][/quote]I agree Ingham should be given a few games to prove himself and its never easy to just come straight in and perform but its interesting that Ingham is not getting heavily criticised so far on here for costing us a goal when Mooney was getting criticised after the Tranmere game by some despite the same situation of it being his first game. I guess Ingham has more leeway with many due to his history with the club which I can understand but if he doesn't improve then I have no doubt NW will delve into the loan market as he has shown he's ruthless if he thinks players aren't performing. Disappointing result but at least we got a point despite a poor performance by the sound of it. Have to say I was surprised Platt played on the right instead of Miekle but hopefully someone who was there can comment better on whether this worked or not. We need to get some wins on the board otherwise we are going to be playing catch up again early in the season. dadster
  • Score: 9

8:21pm Sat 23 Aug 14

chuckabuttie says...

Got back to Gloucester after the game. First game for a while for me and baving read lots of posts about "best game for ages", 90th minute lapses and the stats around shots on goal etc I was really looking forward to this. I've come away disappointed. Straight up, Exeter were poor. Very poor. We never really got going to be frank. I can't say there were any really below par performances but I really hope that's a one off. Plus points. Coulson, Lowe and Meikel when he came on. On the othef hand, Hyde didn't do a great deal in my book and should have done better with a chance in the first minute of the second half. Winfield must have caused concern in the main stand every time he belted the ball out of play at 90mph - he is to finesse what G W Bush was to World diplomacy. Looking forward now to seeing a more composed display at BC next week before disappearing back over the pond til Christmas. COYR...
Got back to Gloucester after the game. First game for a while for me and baving read lots of posts about "best game for ages", 90th minute lapses and the stats around shots on goal etc I was really looking forward to this. I've come away disappointed. Straight up, Exeter were poor. Very poor. We never really got going to be frank. I can't say there were any really below par performances but I really hope that's a one off. Plus points. Coulson, Lowe and Meikel when he came on. On the othef hand, Hyde didn't do a great deal in my book and should have done better with a chance in the first minute of the second half. Winfield must have caused concern in the main stand every time he belted the ball out of play at 90mph - he is to finesse what G W Bush was to World diplomacy. Looking forward now to seeing a more composed display at BC next week before disappearing back over the pond til Christmas. COYR... chuckabuttie
  • Score: 9

8:22pm Sat 23 Aug 14

OLD - HEAD says...

Todays game was the first one this season that I have missed. Listening on the radio it sounded as though we were a bit lack lustre at Exeter. But a point away from home, when you have not played as well as you can, has to be a good point. Michael Ingham was bound to feel the pressure, and he obviously wanted to do well, so give him a chance please. Wycombe Wanderes have started the season well, so its going to be another tough game next Saturday.
Todays game was the first one this season that I have missed. Listening on the radio it sounded as though we were a bit lack lustre at Exeter. But a point away from home, when you have not played as well as you can, has to be a good point. Michael Ingham was bound to feel the pressure, and he obviously wanted to do well, so give him a chance please. Wycombe Wanderes have started the season well, so its going to be another tough game next Saturday. OLD - HEAD
  • Score: 5

8:26pm Sat 23 Aug 14

KAT1965 says...

It makes me laugh people going on about the fact that we have. "Goalkeeping Problem". I'd be concerned if we were shipping 3-4 goals a game but not the rate we are. We have a striking problem and have, on or off, for a long time. Keith Lowe has scored two of our five goals so far - work that out!!!!
It makes me laugh people going on about the fact that we have. "Goalkeeping Problem". I'd be concerned if we were shipping 3-4 goals a game but not the rate we are. We have a striking problem and have, on or off, for a long time. Keith Lowe has scored two of our five goals so far - work that out!!!! KAT1965
  • Score: 26

8:32pm Sat 23 Aug 14

big boy york says...

listened on radio york , for f@@k sake bring back barry parker now the new geezer is dire
listened on radio york , for f@@k sake bring back barry parker now the new geezer is dire big boy york
  • Score: 16

9:14pm Sat 23 Aug 14

bill bailey says...

KAT1965 wrote:
It makes me laugh people going on about the fact that we have. "Goalkeeping Problem". I'd be concerned if we were shipping 3-4 goals a game but not the rate we are. We have a striking problem and have, on or off, for a long time. Keith Lowe has scored two of our five goals so far - work that out!!!!
You are spot on KAT, 13 shots , 2 on goal. There is a problem but some on here keep saying it will be ok, WHEN ? players get despondent when they are putting 100% shifts in and watch others that should be tucking them away shooting wide or high, sorry chaps you can give me as many thumbs as you like but the mix is not there, it wasn't there last season in the last 10 games Bowman scored 2 penalties in as many games and he was your main striker, I say as I have been saying for 6 months you want a terrier in midfield who will draw defences out of position for those up front to have an extra yard to control their shots,
[quote][p][bold]KAT1965[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh people going on about the fact that we have. "Goalkeeping Problem". I'd be concerned if we were shipping 3-4 goals a game but not the rate we are. We have a striking problem and have, on or off, for a long time. Keith Lowe has scored two of our five goals so far - work that out!!!![/p][/quote]You are spot on KAT, 13 shots , 2 on goal. There is a problem but some on here keep saying it will be ok, WHEN ? players get despondent when they are putting 100% shifts in and watch others that should be tucking them away shooting wide or high, sorry chaps you can give me as many thumbs as you like but the mix is not there, it wasn't there last season in the last 10 games Bowman scored 2 penalties in as many games and he was your main striker, I say as I have been saying for 6 months you want a terrier in midfield who will draw defences out of position for those up front to have an extra yard to control their shots, bill bailey
  • Score: -10

9:43pm Sat 23 Aug 14

arsene.about.york says...

KAT1965 wrote:
It makes me laugh people going on about the fact that we have. "Goalkeeping Problem". I'd be concerned if we were shipping 3-4 goals a game but not the rate we are. We have a striking problem and have, on or off, for a long time. Keith Lowe has scored two of our five goals so far - work that out!!!!
We have a goalkeeping problem because it seems that whichever one of these two goes in goal they are going to make mistakes and gift the opposition goals. I agree that the forwards are not doing their jobs either. Chris Jones mentioned today that none of them seem to want make runs and attack the ball ( which I have been saying after every game so far ) I would think NW will give it another couple of weeks and if nothing improves we will see loan signings coming in. We are now 4 games in and have 4 points I don't think we can wait until Christmas again to take action.
[quote][p][bold]KAT1965[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh people going on about the fact that we have. "Goalkeeping Problem". I'd be concerned if we were shipping 3-4 goals a game but not the rate we are. We have a striking problem and have, on or off, for a long time. Keith Lowe has scored two of our five goals so far - work that out!!!![/p][/quote]We have a goalkeeping problem because it seems that whichever one of these two goes in goal they are going to make mistakes and gift the opposition goals. I agree that the forwards are not doing their jobs either. Chris Jones mentioned today that none of them seem to want make runs and attack the ball ( which I have been saying after every game so far ) I would think NW will give it another couple of weeks and if nothing improves we will see loan signings coming in. We are now 4 games in and have 4 points I don't think we can wait until Christmas again to take action. arsene.about.york
  • Score: 8

9:52pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Paddycat says...

KAT1965 wrote:
It makes me laugh people going on about the fact that we have. "Goalkeeping Problem". I'd be concerned if we were shipping 3-4 goals a game but not the rate we are. We have a striking problem and have, on or off, for a long time. Keith Lowe has scored two of our five goals so far - work that out!!!!
To my mind shipping 3-4 goals a game would show an overall defensive problem not just a goal keeping problem. I believe most peoples problem with the goalkeeping relates to the both goalkeepers inability to dominate the penalty area and communicate effectively with the defence.
Unfortunately this is, as you rightly say, highlighted by the lack of goals from the main strikers. This was also the case last season, but covered up by the excellent Pope and his understanding with his defenders.
[quote][p][bold]KAT1965[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh people going on about the fact that we have. "Goalkeeping Problem". I'd be concerned if we were shipping 3-4 goals a game but not the rate we are. We have a striking problem and have, on or off, for a long time. Keith Lowe has scored two of our five goals so far - work that out!!!![/p][/quote]To my mind shipping 3-4 goals a game would show an overall defensive problem not just a goal keeping problem. I believe most peoples problem with the goalkeeping relates to the both goalkeepers inability to dominate the penalty area and communicate effectively with the defence. Unfortunately this is, as you rightly say, highlighted by the lack of goals from the main strikers. This was also the case last season, but covered up by the excellent Pope and his understanding with his defenders. Paddycat
  • Score: 17

11:52pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Killieboy says...

Where's Duffy this season? Hope he's ok.
Pretty sure things will click soon and once wes and jake get used to each other we'll be the ones to catch.
Where's Duffy this season? Hope he's ok. Pretty sure things will click soon and once wes and jake get used to each other we'll be the ones to catch. Killieboy
  • Score: 1

12:12am Sun 24 Aug 14

jumbojet says...

big boy york wrote:
listened on radio york , for f@@k sake bring back barry parker now the new geezer is dire
What is that all about? Did they have a meeting to decide that Barry was to be replaced? He is/was far superior to the present individual, he may not be as clued up on the statistics but he paints a far superior picture to the lead of the present team. Reference goalkeepers, we have discussed this all before, where is the PAID goalkeeping coach? seems to be lacking in ideas, as he was last season until Pope came along and made up his own rules, which were beneficial to the whole team.
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: listened on radio york , for f@@k sake bring back barry parker now the new geezer is dire[/p][/quote]What is that all about? Did they have a meeting to decide that Barry was to be replaced? He is/was far superior to the present individual, he may not be as clued up on the statistics but he paints a far superior picture to the lead of the present team. Reference goalkeepers, we have discussed this all before, where is the PAID goalkeeping coach? seems to be lacking in ideas, as he was last season until Pope came along and made up his own rules, which were beneficial to the whole team. jumbojet
  • Score: 17

9:46am Sun 24 Aug 14

Budgie says...

Inghams errors of judgement will cost us at least 15 points during the season if he remains first choice, lets get a loan keeper in and farm Ingham out.
Inghams errors of judgement will cost us at least 15 points during the season if he remains first choice, lets get a loan keeper in and farm Ingham out. Budgie
  • Score: -17

10:22am Sun 24 Aug 14

T.R.M1974 says...

Killieboy wrote:
Where's Duffy this season? Hope he's ok.
Pretty sure things will click soon and once wes and jake get used to each other we'll be the ones to catch.
Think duffy goes on the league 2 forum these days
[quote][p][bold]Killieboy[/bold] wrote: Where's Duffy this season? Hope he's ok. Pretty sure things will click soon and once wes and jake get used to each other we'll be the ones to catch.[/p][/quote]Think duffy goes on the league 2 forum these days T.R.M1974
  • Score: 0

12:09pm Sun 24 Aug 14

A.P.Feeders says...

Killieboy wrote:
Where's Duffy this season? Hope he's ok.
Pretty sure things will click soon and once wes and jake get used to each other we'll be the ones to catch.
Why don't you get a room together
[quote][p][bold]Killieboy[/bold] wrote: Where's Duffy this season? Hope he's ok. Pretty sure things will click soon and once wes and jake get used to each other we'll be the ones to catch.[/p][/quote]Why don't you get a room together A.P.Feeders
  • Score: -8

9:46pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Killieboy says...

A.P.Feeders wrote:
Killieboy wrote:
Where's Duffy this season? Hope he's ok.
Pretty sure things will click soon and once wes and jake get used to each other we'll be the ones to catch.
Why don't you get a room together
Hilarious. You must be the envy of both your friends to be in possession of such wit.
[quote][p][bold]A.P.Feeders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Killieboy[/bold] wrote: Where's Duffy this season? Hope he's ok. Pretty sure things will click soon and once wes and jake get used to each other we'll be the ones to catch.[/p][/quote]Why don't you get a room together[/p][/quote]Hilarious. You must be the envy of both your friends to be in possession of such wit. Killieboy
  • Score: 6

2:02pm Mon 25 Aug 14

York Manor says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
Ingham hasn't had a first team game for quite a while - it will take time to get back into it. Not a bad away result and coming back for a draw always feels like a win, but it will be a relief for everyone to get 3 points on the board.
Reality is we don't have time for Ingham to play catch up apart from the fact he should have improved whilst Pope was here last season . We will be lucky to have a keeper of Popes ability but Ingham is not the answer as last season proved
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: Ingham hasn't had a first team game for quite a while - it will take time to get back into it. Not a bad away result and coming back for a draw always feels like a win, but it will be a relief for everyone to get 3 points on the board.[/p][/quote]Reality is we don't have time for Ingham to play catch up apart from the fact he should have improved whilst Pope was here last season . We will be lucky to have a keeper of Popes ability but Ingham is not the answer as last season proved York Manor
  • Score: 4

2:03pm Mon 25 Aug 14

York Manor says...

whaticeberg wrote:
Buy a decent keeper quick. The reasons are staring you in the face Nigel!
Agreed, bring a loan keeper in
[quote][p][bold]whaticeberg[/bold] wrote: Buy a decent keeper quick. The reasons are staring you in the face Nigel![/p][/quote]Agreed, bring a loan keeper in York Manor
  • Score: 7

2:30pm Mon 25 Aug 14

yorknomadssociety says...

Keep Mooney in goal. I personally don't rate either of them. Mooney has let some poor shots in and because of his size is not very flexible and Ingham is just generally dodgy all round, kicking, catching etc.
Poor performance all round which is not on for the fans going all that way.
Ramble over.
Keep Mooney in goal. I personally don't rate either of them. Mooney has let some poor shots in and because of his size is not very flexible and Ingham is just generally dodgy all round, kicking, catching etc. Poor performance all round which is not on for the fans going all that way. Ramble over. yorknomadssociety
  • Score: -12

4:00pm Mon 25 Aug 14

joejamestom says...

yorknomadssociety wrote:
Keep Mooney in goal. I personally don't rate either of them. Mooney has let some poor shots in and because of his size is not very flexible and Ingham is just generally dodgy all round, kicking, catching etc.
Poor performance all round which is not on for the fans going all that way.
Ramble over.
I can see your point but disagree Ingham has the match experience but Mooney needs development, Ingham No1 but Mooney must get game time either here or on loan. Our squad need their finishing improving across the board to get us a couple of goals per game if not we will be the divisions draw specialists, time & practice should improve us defensively using our proven experienced keeper in the main. Over to you NW nothings easy :).
[quote][p][bold]yorknomadssociety[/bold] wrote: Keep Mooney in goal. I personally don't rate either of them. Mooney has let some poor shots in and because of his size is not very flexible and Ingham is just generally dodgy all round, kicking, catching etc. Poor performance all round which is not on for the fans going all that way. Ramble over.[/p][/quote]I can see your point but disagree Ingham has the match experience but Mooney needs development, Ingham No1 but Mooney must get game time either here or on loan. Our squad need their finishing improving across the board to get us a couple of goals per game if not we will be the divisions draw specialists, time & practice should improve us defensively using our proven experienced keeper in the main. Over to you NW nothings easy :). joejamestom
  • Score: 4

4:26pm Mon 25 Aug 14

lifelong75 says...

It strikes me that once we are going to struggle in the lower reaches of the Division. Last season we shot up the league with the help of a strong keeper and a couple of decent footballing full backs. The replacements are simply not as good. Ingham who still fails to dominate his 6 yard area is however our best choice in goal, as Mooney is simply too big, clears his lines inconsistently, and displays a general lack of confidence in decision making which causes uncertainty in the defence. Once again there is no obvious midfield which was such a platform in the Conference days, and the direction to set up an attack. Long aimless balls out of defence are not going to produce goals when our forwards do not have the necessary height to create anything of significance other than deflections. Our wing play also has to have the support of the full backs without which we are simply not going to create chances of getting round the oppositions defence. I would like to think that Worthington's purchases close season are an improvement but I fear not. This is going to be a tough year!
It strikes me that once we are going to struggle in the lower reaches of the Division. Last season we shot up the league with the help of a strong keeper and a couple of decent footballing full backs. The replacements are simply not as good. Ingham who still fails to dominate his 6 yard area is however our best choice in goal, as Mooney is simply too big, clears his lines inconsistently, and displays a general lack of confidence in decision making which causes uncertainty in the defence. Once again there is no obvious midfield which was such a platform in the Conference days, and the direction to set up an attack. Long aimless balls out of defence are not going to produce goals when our forwards do not have the necessary height to create anything of significance other than deflections. Our wing play also has to have the support of the full backs without which we are simply not going to create chances of getting round the oppositions defence. I would like to think that Worthington's purchases close season are an improvement but I fear not. This is going to be a tough year! lifelong75
  • Score: -10

5:01pm Mon 25 Aug 14

DavidBu says...

It looks like our opponents are now starting to get as adept at getting draws as we are. And there is no shame in that. We have now gone four games and remain unbeaten.
Before the points system changed that would have been quite acceptable and that gets me thinking about whether 3 points for a win is really that good for the game, a game in which a draw is as possible as winning and losing and is often the right result. I appreciate that the 3 points win was introduced to promote attacking play, etc., but I'm not sure that that is the right logic to apply. If a side is dull and defensive-minded the crowd of supporters will vote with its feet and the old Leeds United type style of defensive rough housing would not succeed with the directives Refs. are given now.
Forgive me if this is seen as an over-expansion of the current debate.

As things now stand, if this string of draws is broken with a win, everything will seem to be set up nicely, but, if not, it might look dire. On such delicate issues do football fortunes hinge.

My first look at this new side will be at Stevenage. I hope it is the first YC win which precedes this long awaited day out.
It looks like our opponents are now starting to get as adept at getting draws as we are. And there is no shame in that. We have now gone four games and remain unbeaten. Before the points system changed that would have been quite acceptable and that gets me thinking about whether 3 points for a win is really that good for the game, a game in which a draw is as possible as winning and losing and is often the right result. I appreciate that the 3 points win was introduced to promote attacking play, etc., but I'm not sure that that is the right logic to apply. If a side is dull and defensive-minded the crowd of supporters will vote with its feet and the old Leeds United type style of defensive rough housing would not succeed with the directives Refs. are given now. Forgive me if this is seen as an over-expansion of the current debate. As things now stand, if this string of draws is broken with a win, everything will seem to be set up nicely, but, if not, it might look dire. On such delicate issues do football fortunes hinge. My first look at this new side will be at Stevenage. I hope it is the first YC win which precedes this long awaited day out. DavidBu
  • Score: 0

11:56pm Mon 25 Aug 14

PositiveFootball says...

Don't panic Capt. Mannering! We've not been beaten - if not for a couple of unfortunate/unlucky incidents we would have had two wins two draws - fear infects, stay positive and you will be rewarded.
Don't panic Capt. Mannering! We've not been beaten - if not for a couple of unfortunate/unlucky incidents we would have had two wins two draws - fear infects, stay positive and you will be rewarded. PositiveFootball
  • Score: 9

9:02am Tue 26 Aug 14

Fat Harry says...

"Keith Lowe leapt like a Gold Cup thoroughbred"

I think Dave Flett has been getting purple prose tips from Tony Kelly.
"Keith Lowe leapt like a Gold Cup thoroughbred" I think Dave Flett has been getting purple prose tips from Tony Kelly. Fat Harry
  • Score: 2

10:45am Tue 26 Aug 14

FortessBC says...

PositiveFootball wrote:
Don't panic Capt. Mannering! We've not been beaten - if not for a couple of unfortunate/unlucky incidents we would have had two wins two draws - fear infects, stay positive and you will be rewarded.
You are right. Of the 5 matches played this season the Exeter performance was perhaps the only one where we have not been at our best and we still took a point. Its fine margins in football but the general performance of the team so far has been good. NW will be working extremely hard to ensure that first win is not far away. COYR
[quote][p][bold]PositiveFootball[/bold] wrote: Don't panic Capt. Mannering! We've not been beaten - if not for a couple of unfortunate/unlucky incidents we would have had two wins two draws - fear infects, stay positive and you will be rewarded.[/p][/quote]You are right. Of the 5 matches played this season the Exeter performance was perhaps the only one where we have not been at our best and we still took a point. Its fine margins in football but the general performance of the team so far has been good. NW will be working extremely hard to ensure that first win is not far away. COYR FortessBC
  • Score: 2

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