Skipper backing York City to turn it around in play-off tie

York City captain Russell Penn

York City captain Russell Penn

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SKIPPER Russell Penn declared it is still "all to play for" when York City's bid to reach Wembley reaches a climax in the League Two play-off semi-final second leg at Fleetwood Town on Friday night.

The Minstermen captain was disappointed his side's 17-match unbeaten run came to an end as the Cod Army took a 1-0 win away from Bootham Crescent following the first leg on Monday night but he believes the tie is still in the balance.

"It's disappointing in a way but it is only half-time," he said. "I know it's an old cliche but it is a two-legged tie. We had good and bad spells and we will take the positives from those good spells and, hopefully, take them into Friday.

"We started decently but they had a good spell of 20 minutes in the second half, got the goal and had a couple of chances. Then we had a 20 minute spell where we should have scored so it is all to play for. It's 1-0. It is the narrowest of margins with a whole game to play.

"The play-offs are two games in one. The first legs are always a bit nervy, from both sides, and you are trying to work each other out."

Asked how City could improve their showing in Lancashire, Penn was blunt: "Just win the game," he added. "It's not even half-time really. It's a full game. It's all to play for on Friday and we are looking forward to it. It will be a decent crowd and we are going to go there positive."

The man with the armband will be pushing City for an early goal at Highbury Stadium and wants his men to start as they finished the home match.

Penn said: "Are they going to sit back or are they going to attack? It's up to us to take the ascendancy and get the goal. An early goal would be great. It would be game on then.

"We've got a whole 90 minutes to win the game. We've been on a great run of form. Hopefully, we can take that into Friday. The season is not finished yet. We need to go there on the front foot and really take the game to them."

Penn was inspired after playing in front of nearly 5,000 York fans and added: "It was great. We are gutted we couldn't get the result for them but we have got good support going there on Friday and, hopefully, we can bring it back for them."

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11:54am Wed 14 May 14

tips says...

Go for it City , give it everything you have got and whatever the result this has been a remarkable season....talk about a game of two halves !!!!
All the best lads
Go for it City , give it everything you have got and whatever the result this has been a remarkable season....talk about a game of two halves !!!! All the best lads tips
  • Score: 19

12:28pm Wed 14 May 14

Tug job says...

Let's hope the team is set up to pass the ball and attack, rather than hoofing the ball up in the air or upfield straight back to Fleetwood, like they did on Monday night. If City believe in themselves and go for it, this match is winnable. Once again, I shall be reliant on recorded coverage after the event, but I know the team will be cheered on by another superb away following. C'mon City, you can do it!
Let's hope the team is set up to pass the ball and attack, rather than hoofing the ball up in the air or upfield straight back to Fleetwood, like they did on Monday night. If City believe in themselves and go for it, this match is winnable. Once again, I shall be reliant on recorded coverage after the event, but I know the team will be cheered on by another superb away following. C'mon City, you can do it! Tug job
  • Score: 15

1:16pm Wed 14 May 14

yorkinoz says...

I agree with the comment made by tug job, I managed to see the whole game live on a web site, the first time I have seen City play in over 8 years, apart from various game highlights, and I have to be honest I was disappointed at the standard of football, it just seemed they were using hit and hope crosses into the box and playing long balls down field in the air, I was anticipating that City would be passing the ball around a lot better, which I thought would be why they had done so well this year, maybe the reason was the pitch conditions, but Fleetwood looked dangerous when they played the ball along the ground when attacking the City goal. If City play the ball along the ground and get behind the Fleetwood defence they can win no problem, but I can not see them winning if they play the same way as they did on Monday night. Good luck to the team and travelling supporters on Friday night. I will be watching again at 2.30 in the morning
I agree with the comment made by tug job, I managed to see the whole game live on a web site, the first time I have seen City play in over 8 years, apart from various game highlights, and I have to be honest I was disappointed at the standard of football, it just seemed they were using hit and hope crosses into the box and playing long balls down field in the air, I was anticipating that City would be passing the ball around a lot better, which I thought would be why they had done so well this year, maybe the reason was the pitch conditions, but Fleetwood looked dangerous when they played the ball along the ground when attacking the City goal. If City play the ball along the ground and get behind the Fleetwood defence they can win no problem, but I can not see them winning if they play the same way as they did on Monday night. Good luck to the team and travelling supporters on Friday night. I will be watching again at 2.30 in the morning yorkinoz
  • Score: 5

1:42pm Wed 14 May 14

MUDAHIM says...

After the first leg - disappointed but not dispondent.

We don't need to go gung-ho from the start, as they were picking us off when we did this at the end of the first leg. Just give it everything in a controlled way. Play our best game taken from the unbeaten run and we can do this.

I'll be there with my vocal support to hopefully help the boys onto Wembley. Whether we make it or not it's been a great effort to get here. Believe, COYR!
After the first leg - disappointed but not dispondent. We don't need to go gung-ho from the start, as they were picking us off when we did this at the end of the first leg. Just give it everything in a controlled way. Play our best game taken from the unbeaten run and we can do this. I'll be there with my vocal support to hopefully help the boys onto Wembley. Whether we make it or not it's been a great effort to get here. Believe, COYR! MUDAHIM
  • Score: 1

2:05pm Wed 14 May 14

dadster says...

Having watched us all season it is frustrating at times seeing the ball constantly in the air and the arrival of Andrew if anything has meant we have played even more long aerial balls which in fairness to Andrew he has won more than his fair share but against Fleetwood their 2 centre backs dealt with him fairly easily. Also with Coulson's lack of pace he doesn't seem to get on the end of many flick-ons so all we are doing is conceding possession which against a team like Fleetwood who can keep the ball better than most in L2 means we can't dictate the game.

I know I've said it many times on here that I had no issue with playing this type of football as a means to an end in terms of securing our league status as quickly as possible and as part of the evolution of the team moving forward but whilst you can't argue with the results since Jan the football on show has been largely unattractive.

We have seen glimpses of the type of attacking football that this team are capable of against Wycombe, Portsmouth & Scunthorpe but these are isolated occurrences and I for one would have liked to see a change to more attractive football once we had got to 52 points a couple of months ago. Whilst many may disagree I would have been prepared to sacrifice a play-off position to try to establish a baseline of better football in preparation for next season. I believe we have the players that can play football on the ground. As some others have said on here I still feel we are not ready for promotion this season and the style of football we play would need to change to even stay in L1 were we to get there.

At this moment in our development I would much rather see a more attractive style of football evolving and one which gets the supporters excited. Whilst we have done exceptionally well this season which has resulted in some good attendances towards the end of season I'm not sure the "floating" supporters who have come along to watch will have been too excited by the football on offer to the point that they will come back on a regular basis which is fundamental to the club's income.

NW has done a magnificent job so far in firstly saving us from what appeared certain relegation into the abyss of non-league and then somehow leading us to a play off position this season (and possibly more) but now is the time to really see whether he has the desire and capability on what will be a tight budget to take us to the next level in terms of footballing style whilst still challenging for a play-off place next season in L2 (assuming we don't get promoted).

I think a hybrid of the type of football GM played with the defensive solidity and discipline that NW has instilled would be where I would like to see us go. I'm not saying that will be easy on our budget and maybe its wishful thinking but it'll be interesting to see the type of player NW recruits over the summer.

At the end of the day I think the board's remit to NW will be to ensure that the club enters the new stadium as a football league club to maximise the commercial opportunities and I could fully understand that which may mean that the current NW pragmatic approach may continue. However there should be no reason why we can't achieve both continued football league status and a more attractive playing style. We shall see.
Having watched us all season it is frustrating at times seeing the ball constantly in the air and the arrival of Andrew if anything has meant we have played even more long aerial balls which in fairness to Andrew he has won more than his fair share but against Fleetwood their 2 centre backs dealt with him fairly easily. Also with Coulson's lack of pace he doesn't seem to get on the end of many flick-ons so all we are doing is conceding possession which against a team like Fleetwood who can keep the ball better than most in L2 means we can't dictate the game. I know I've said it many times on here that I had no issue with playing this type of football as a means to an end in terms of securing our league status as quickly as possible and as part of the evolution of the team moving forward but whilst you can't argue with the results since Jan the football on show has been largely unattractive. We have seen glimpses of the type of attacking football that this team are capable of against Wycombe, Portsmouth & Scunthorpe but these are isolated occurrences and I for one would have liked to see a change to more attractive football once we had got to 52 points a couple of months ago. Whilst many may disagree I would have been prepared to sacrifice a play-off position to try to establish a baseline of better football in preparation for next season. I believe we have the players that can play football on the ground. As some others have said on here I still feel we are not ready for promotion this season and the style of football we play would need to change to even stay in L1 were we to get there. At this moment in our development I would much rather see a more attractive style of football evolving and one which gets the supporters excited. Whilst we have done exceptionally well this season which has resulted in some good attendances towards the end of season I'm not sure the "floating" supporters who have come along to watch will have been too excited by the football on offer to the point that they will come back on a regular basis which is fundamental to the club's income. NW has done a magnificent job so far in firstly saving us from what appeared certain relegation into the abyss of non-league and then somehow leading us to a play off position this season (and possibly more) but now is the time to really see whether he has the desire and capability on what will be a tight budget to take us to the next level in terms of footballing style whilst still challenging for a play-off place next season in L2 (assuming we don't get promoted). I think a hybrid of the type of football GM played with the defensive solidity and discipline that NW has instilled would be where I would like to see us go. I'm not saying that will be easy on our budget and maybe its wishful thinking but it'll be interesting to see the type of player NW recruits over the summer. At the end of the day I think the board's remit to NW will be to ensure that the club enters the new stadium as a football league club to maximise the commercial opportunities and I could fully understand that which may mean that the current NW pragmatic approach may continue. However there should be no reason why we can't achieve both continued football league status and a more attractive playing style. We shall see. dadster
  • Score: 17

2:23pm Wed 14 May 14

The Legend Of Keith says...

Having seen the pitch on Saturday, and then again on Monday, I am not surprised the ball spent so much time in the air. Magnificent effort to get the game on but the ball was still sticking in areas and not travelling cleanly on the ground. The first half especially!

The second half had 10 mins of Fleetwood pressure where they played the ball on the deck through the middle where the pitch really allowed it. We were stretched and thus the end result was 1-0 to them.

Given the result, the one off nature of the game this Friday and the fact the pitch in Fleetwood will be less wet, I think the game will be very different. Let's just hope the result favours us.

Forza York.
Having seen the pitch on Saturday, and then again on Monday, I am not surprised the ball spent so much time in the air. Magnificent effort to get the game on but the ball was still sticking in areas and not travelling cleanly on the ground. The first half especially! The second half had 10 mins of Fleetwood pressure where they played the ball on the deck through the middle where the pitch really allowed it. We were stretched and thus the end result was 1-0 to them. Given the result, the one off nature of the game this Friday and the fact the pitch in Fleetwood will be less wet, I think the game will be very different. Let's just hope the result favours us. Forza York. The Legend Of Keith
  • Score: 6

2:40pm Wed 14 May 14

North Lincs Minsterman says...

Dadster's earlier post says it all. However, if we manage to beat Fleetwood on Friday and qualify for the final, we will deserve to be in with a shout of promotion whatever the football style. I don't really think we are ready for D1 yet but I am not one to turn down the opportunity if it's offered.

I shall be at Highbury Stadium on Friday and I remain positive that we will give a good account of ourselves. Prediction: Oyebanjo to (finally) burst through and score his first for the season! Then we'll have a proper game on.

Keep the Faith
Dadster's earlier post says it all. However, if we manage to beat Fleetwood on Friday and qualify for the final, we will deserve to be in with a shout of promotion whatever the football style. I don't really think we are ready for D1 yet but I am not one to turn down the opportunity if it's offered. I shall be at Highbury Stadium on Friday and I remain positive that we will give a good account of ourselves. Prediction: Oyebanjo to (finally) burst through and score his first for the season! Then we'll have a proper game on. Keep the Faith North Lincs Minsterman
  • Score: 3

2:51pm Wed 14 May 14

pip007 says...

If he is match fit put MacDonald on the bench. Then if we are not winning the tie with 15-20 minutes remaining bring him on as a secret weapon. We need a proper goal scorer on there. Someone who, as Chris Jones put it, "can be nasty in the box". We don't know what he can do ... and that means neither do Fleetwood. But by then we will have nothing to lose. Maybe he will run riot and get a couple of goals. Failing that bring Chris Jones on - he knows where the back of the net is.
If he is match fit put MacDonald on the bench. Then if we are not winning the tie with 15-20 minutes remaining bring him on as a secret weapon. We need a proper goal scorer on there. Someone who, as Chris Jones put it, "can be nasty in the box". We don't know what he can do ... and that means neither do Fleetwood. But by then we will have nothing to lose. Maybe he will run riot and get a couple of goals. Failing that bring Chris Jones on - he knows where the back of the net is. pip007
  • Score: 1

3:03pm Wed 14 May 14

OLD - HEAD says...

I will be cheering City on at Fleetwood in the second-leg of the play-offs. But I am under no illusion how difficult it will be. Of course we are still in the tie at 0-1 down, for we could have been looking at 0-3 after Monday night if Fleetwood had taken advantage of their chances. City will certainly have to change their tactics if we have any aspirations to reach Wembley. Anyone who has seen City this season knows how we struggle to score goals. Yet I have spoken to many people who were actually watching City for the first time this season on Monday night (via TV of course). They all commented how much better a team Fleetwood looked than we did. It was there for everybody to see as there is no hiding place in a televised game. City know they were not good enough on the night, so a super-human performance is needed in the second leg. Nigel Worthington doesnt have the squad strength that Fleetwood have, but he has to somehow transform York City by adding one or two fresh faces. If City do get through this tie and reach the Wembley final, then it will be one of their greatest ever achievements - "Keep the Faith - Good luck lads"
I will be cheering City on at Fleetwood in the second-leg of the play-offs. But I am under no illusion how difficult it will be. Of course we are still in the tie at 0-1 down, for we could have been looking at 0-3 after Monday night if Fleetwood had taken advantage of their chances. City will certainly have to change their tactics if we have any aspirations to reach Wembley. Anyone who has seen City this season knows how we struggle to score goals. Yet I have spoken to many people who were actually watching City for the first time this season on Monday night (via TV of course). They all commented how much better a team Fleetwood looked than we did. It was there for everybody to see as there is no hiding place in a televised game. City know they were not good enough on the night, so a super-human performance is needed in the second leg. Nigel Worthington doesnt have the squad strength that Fleetwood have, but he has to somehow transform York City by adding one or two fresh faces. If City do get through this tie and reach the Wembley final, then it will be one of their greatest ever achievements - "Keep the Faith - Good luck lads" OLD - HEAD
  • Score: 11

3:05pm Wed 14 May 14

YCFC28 says...

No matter what happens, I'm pleased with the way the team has finished this season. No-way did I or we all expect at Xmas to be in the play-offs. Fully agree we need more flare upfront. Andrews is very much a target man, but not a known goalscorer. If it was me I'd start with Bowman and Andrews, while put Montrose in instead of Reed. Fleetwood are a strong physical side and Montrose would help to contain them in my personal opinion.
No matter what happens, I'm pleased with the way the team has finished this season. No-way did I or we all expect at Xmas to be in the play-offs. Fully agree we need more flare upfront. Andrews is very much a target man, but not a known goalscorer. If it was me I'd start with Bowman and Andrews, while put Montrose in instead of Reed. Fleetwood are a strong physical side and Montrose would help to contain them in my personal opinion. YCFC28
  • Score: 5

3:29pm Wed 14 May 14

Fat Harry says...

Worthington has got the tactics & team selection right more times than he's got them wrong over the course of the last few months, so I'm backing him to get it right on Friday and will be sticking a fiver on us to get to Wembley.

The "Heartbeat" theme has been playing in my head all week...

COYR
Worthington has got the tactics & team selection right more times than he's got them wrong over the course of the last few months, so I'm backing him to get it right on Friday and will be sticking a fiver on us to get to Wembley. The "Heartbeat" theme has been playing in my head all week... COYR Fat Harry
  • Score: 2

3:30pm Wed 14 May 14

YCFC28 says...

Fat Harry wrote:
Worthington has got the tactics & team selection right more times than he's got them wrong over the course of the last few months, so I'm backing him to get it right on Friday and will be sticking a fiver on us to get to Wembley.

The "Heartbeat" theme has been playing in my head all week...

COYR
What are the returns on that?
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Worthington has got the tactics & team selection right more times than he's got them wrong over the course of the last few months, so I'm backing him to get it right on Friday and will be sticking a fiver on us to get to Wembley. The "Heartbeat" theme has been playing in my head all week... COYR[/p][/quote]What are the returns on that? YCFC28
  • Score: 0

3:31pm Wed 14 May 14

Boyer for England says...

MUDAHIM wrote:
After the first leg - disappointed but not dispondent.

We don't need to go gung-ho from the start, as they were picking us off when we did this at the end of the first leg. Just give it everything in a controlled way. Play our best game taken from the unbeaten run and we can do this.

I'll be there with my vocal support to hopefully help the boys onto Wembley. Whether we make it or not it's been a great effort to get here. Believe, COYR!
Good post. We have to play our normal game and try to be 1-0 up in the second half and hopefully for once get another before penalties!
[quote][p][bold]MUDAHIM[/bold] wrote: After the first leg - disappointed but not dispondent. We don't need to go gung-ho from the start, as they were picking us off when we did this at the end of the first leg. Just give it everything in a controlled way. Play our best game taken from the unbeaten run and we can do this. I'll be there with my vocal support to hopefully help the boys onto Wembley. Whether we make it or not it's been a great effort to get here. Believe, COYR![/p][/quote]Good post. We have to play our normal game and try to be 1-0 up in the second half and hopefully for once get another before penalties! Boyer for England
  • Score: 0

3:34pm Wed 14 May 14

YCFC28 says...

Whoever scores the first goal will be crucial on Friday.
Whoever scores the first goal will be crucial on Friday. YCFC28
  • Score: 5

4:26pm Wed 14 May 14

paddymacwakey says...

having watched the first leg game at bootham crescent,then watched the game through on tv that I recordered,i am sorry to say that for most of the game we played with 10 men.brobbel up to being substituted was non existent.he didn't seem up to it.also reed didn't get into the game while late on.brobbel is nowhere near the player he was from his 1st spell on loan.how many young players get a chance to play at Wembley .he should be busting a gut.apart from penn the midfield is very light.we are not building from the back.we have got to change the formation at Fleetwood.i would put bowman at the side of Andrews,and Coulson and hayhurst on the wings.i know I have said it umpteen times on here,we are badly missing carson and fletcher,but we just have to get on with it.like a lot of people say its only half time and 90 minutes to play not 45.i still believe if nigel picks the right formation and the right team,we can do it.
having watched the first leg game at bootham crescent,then watched the game through on tv that I recordered,i am sorry to say that for most of the game we played with 10 men.brobbel up to being substituted was non existent.he didn't seem up to it.also reed didn't get into the game while late on.brobbel is nowhere near the player he was from his 1st spell on loan.how many young players get a chance to play at Wembley .he should be busting a gut.apart from penn the midfield is very light.we are not building from the back.we have got to change the formation at Fleetwood.i would put bowman at the side of Andrews,and Coulson and hayhurst on the wings.i know I have said it umpteen times on here,we are badly missing carson and fletcher,but we just have to get on with it.like a lot of people say its only half time and 90 minutes to play not 45.i still believe if nigel picks the right formation and the right team,we can do it. paddymacwakey
  • Score: 9

8:14am Thu 15 May 14

bill bailey says...

dadster wrote:
Having watched us all season it is frustrating at times seeing the ball constantly in the air and the arrival of Andrew if anything has meant we have played even more long aerial balls which in fairness to Andrew he has won more than his fair share but against Fleetwood their 2 centre backs dealt with him fairly easily. Also with Coulson's lack of pace he doesn't seem to get on the end of many flick-ons so all we are doing is conceding possession which against a team like Fleetwood who can keep the ball better than most in L2 means we can't dictate the game.

I know I've said it many times on here that I had no issue with playing this type of football as a means to an end in terms of securing our league status as quickly as possible and as part of the evolution of the team moving forward but whilst you can't argue with the results since Jan the football on show has been largely unattractive.

We have seen glimpses of the type of attacking football that this team are capable of against Wycombe, Portsmouth & Scunthorpe but these are isolated occurrences and I for one would have liked to see a change to more attractive football once we had got to 52 points a couple of months ago. Whilst many may disagree I would have been prepared to sacrifice a play-off position to try to establish a baseline of better football in preparation for next season. I believe we have the players that can play football on the ground. As some others have said on here I still feel we are not ready for promotion this season and the style of football we play would need to change to even stay in L1 were we to get there.

At this moment in our development I would much rather see a more attractive style of football evolving and one which gets the supporters excited. Whilst we have done exceptionally well this season which has resulted in some good attendances towards the end of season I'm not sure the "floating" supporters who have come along to watch will have been too excited by the football on offer to the point that they will come back on a regular basis which is fundamental to the club's income.

NW has done a magnificent job so far in firstly saving us from what appeared certain relegation into the abyss of non-league and then somehow leading us to a play off position this season (and possibly more) but now is the time to really see whether he has the desire and capability on what will be a tight budget to take us to the next level in terms of footballing style whilst still challenging for a play-off place next season in L2 (assuming we don't get promoted).

I think a hybrid of the type of football GM played with the defensive solidity and discipline that NW has instilled would be where I would like to see us go. I'm not saying that will be easy on our budget and maybe its wishful thinking but it'll be interesting to see the type of player NW recruits over the summer.

At the end of the day I think the board's remit to NW will be to ensure that the club enters the new stadium as a football league club to maximise the commercial opportunities and I could fully understand that which may mean that the current NW pragmatic approach may continue. However there should be no reason why we can't achieve both continued football league status and a more attractive playing style. We shall see.
Dadster you have wrapped it up in a neat and tidy comment with the ribbon for good measure, could disagree with anything, the donkey work of the season has been done this year and the base is there to start the new season, in my book the critical position is the the keeper even if it costs us a few grad Pope is vital to our future , plus two holding midfield players and two proven goal scorers, one shot on target from nine on Monday wont win games and its been the same this year, well said again.
[quote][p][bold]dadster[/bold] wrote: Having watched us all season it is frustrating at times seeing the ball constantly in the air and the arrival of Andrew if anything has meant we have played even more long aerial balls which in fairness to Andrew he has won more than his fair share but against Fleetwood their 2 centre backs dealt with him fairly easily. Also with Coulson's lack of pace he doesn't seem to get on the end of many flick-ons so all we are doing is conceding possession which against a team like Fleetwood who can keep the ball better than most in L2 means we can't dictate the game. I know I've said it many times on here that I had no issue with playing this type of football as a means to an end in terms of securing our league status as quickly as possible and as part of the evolution of the team moving forward but whilst you can't argue with the results since Jan the football on show has been largely unattractive. We have seen glimpses of the type of attacking football that this team are capable of against Wycombe, Portsmouth & Scunthorpe but these are isolated occurrences and I for one would have liked to see a change to more attractive football once we had got to 52 points a couple of months ago. Whilst many may disagree I would have been prepared to sacrifice a play-off position to try to establish a baseline of better football in preparation for next season. I believe we have the players that can play football on the ground. As some others have said on here I still feel we are not ready for promotion this season and the style of football we play would need to change to even stay in L1 were we to get there. At this moment in our development I would much rather see a more attractive style of football evolving and one which gets the supporters excited. Whilst we have done exceptionally well this season which has resulted in some good attendances towards the end of season I'm not sure the "floating" supporters who have come along to watch will have been too excited by the football on offer to the point that they will come back on a regular basis which is fundamental to the club's income. NW has done a magnificent job so far in firstly saving us from what appeared certain relegation into the abyss of non-league and then somehow leading us to a play off position this season (and possibly more) but now is the time to really see whether he has the desire and capability on what will be a tight budget to take us to the next level in terms of footballing style whilst still challenging for a play-off place next season in L2 (assuming we don't get promoted). I think a hybrid of the type of football GM played with the defensive solidity and discipline that NW has instilled would be where I would like to see us go. I'm not saying that will be easy on our budget and maybe its wishful thinking but it'll be interesting to see the type of player NW recruits over the summer. At the end of the day I think the board's remit to NW will be to ensure that the club enters the new stadium as a football league club to maximise the commercial opportunities and I could fully understand that which may mean that the current NW pragmatic approach may continue. However there should be no reason why we can't achieve both continued football league status and a more attractive playing style. We shall see.[/p][/quote]Dadster you have wrapped it up in a neat and tidy comment with the ribbon for good measure, could disagree with anything, the donkey work of the season has been done this year and the base is there to start the new season, in my book the critical position is the the keeper even if it costs us a few grad Pope is vital to our future , plus two holding midfield players and two proven goal scorers, one shot on target from nine on Monday wont win games and its been the same this year, well said again. bill bailey
  • Score: 0

3:51pm Thu 15 May 14

joejamestom says...

dadster wrote:
Having watched us all season it is frustrating at times seeing the ball constantly in the air and the arrival of Andrew if anything has meant we have played even more long aerial balls which in fairness to Andrew he has won more than his fair share but against Fleetwood their 2 centre backs dealt with him fairly easily. Also with Coulson's lack of pace he doesn't seem to get on the end of many flick-ons so all we are doing is conceding possession which against a team like Fleetwood who can keep the ball better than most in L2 means we can't dictate the game.

I know I've said it many times on here that I had no issue with playing this type of football as a means to an end in terms of securing our league status as quickly as possible and as part of the evolution of the team moving forward but whilst you can't argue with the results since Jan the football on show has been largely unattractive.

We have seen glimpses of the type of attacking football that this team are capable of against Wycombe, Portsmouth & Scunthorpe but these are isolated occurrences and I for one would have liked to see a change to more attractive football once we had got to 52 points a couple of months ago. Whilst many may disagree I would have been prepared to sacrifice a play-off position to try to establish a baseline of better football in preparation for next season. I believe we have the players that can play football on the ground. As some others have said on here I still feel we are not ready for promotion this season and the style of football we play would need to change to even stay in L1 were we to get there.

At this moment in our development I would much rather see a more attractive style of football evolving and one which gets the supporters excited. Whilst we have done exceptionally well this season which has resulted in some good attendances towards the end of season I'm not sure the "floating" supporters who have come along to watch will have been too excited by the football on offer to the point that they will come back on a regular basis which is fundamental to the club's income.

NW has done a magnificent job so far in firstly saving us from what appeared certain relegation into the abyss of non-league and then somehow leading us to a play off position this season (and possibly more) but now is the time to really see whether he has the desire and capability on what will be a tight budget to take us to the next level in terms of footballing style whilst still challenging for a play-off place next season in L2 (assuming we don't get promoted).

I think a hybrid of the type of football GM played with the defensive solidity and discipline that NW has instilled would be where I would like to see us go. I'm not saying that will be easy on our budget and maybe its wishful thinking but it'll be interesting to see the type of player NW recruits over the summer.

At the end of the day I think the board's remit to NW will be to ensure that the club enters the new stadium as a football league club to maximise the commercial opportunities and I could fully understand that which may mean that the current NW pragmatic approach may continue. However there should be no reason why we can't achieve both continued football league status and a more attractive playing style. We shall see.
I agree with many of your points but would like to see a couple of target players named to transform what is a transitional team, albeit with a good base defensively assuming Banj stays. A player of Andre Boucauds quality seems to me to be required plus a couple of strikers with a potential of a 1 in 2 goals per game all achieved within our means not easy, plus the difficult LB role to find a player for. Any thoughts on Yan Klukowski ex Forest green?
[quote][p][bold]dadster[/bold] wrote: Having watched us all season it is frustrating at times seeing the ball constantly in the air and the arrival of Andrew if anything has meant we have played even more long aerial balls which in fairness to Andrew he has won more than his fair share but against Fleetwood their 2 centre backs dealt with him fairly easily. Also with Coulson's lack of pace he doesn't seem to get on the end of many flick-ons so all we are doing is conceding possession which against a team like Fleetwood who can keep the ball better than most in L2 means we can't dictate the game. I know I've said it many times on here that I had no issue with playing this type of football as a means to an end in terms of securing our league status as quickly as possible and as part of the evolution of the team moving forward but whilst you can't argue with the results since Jan the football on show has been largely unattractive. We have seen glimpses of the type of attacking football that this team are capable of against Wycombe, Portsmouth & Scunthorpe but these are isolated occurrences and I for one would have liked to see a change to more attractive football once we had got to 52 points a couple of months ago. Whilst many may disagree I would have been prepared to sacrifice a play-off position to try to establish a baseline of better football in preparation for next season. I believe we have the players that can play football on the ground. As some others have said on here I still feel we are not ready for promotion this season and the style of football we play would need to change to even stay in L1 were we to get there. At this moment in our development I would much rather see a more attractive style of football evolving and one which gets the supporters excited. Whilst we have done exceptionally well this season which has resulted in some good attendances towards the end of season I'm not sure the "floating" supporters who have come along to watch will have been too excited by the football on offer to the point that they will come back on a regular basis which is fundamental to the club's income. NW has done a magnificent job so far in firstly saving us from what appeared certain relegation into the abyss of non-league and then somehow leading us to a play off position this season (and possibly more) but now is the time to really see whether he has the desire and capability on what will be a tight budget to take us to the next level in terms of footballing style whilst still challenging for a play-off place next season in L2 (assuming we don't get promoted). I think a hybrid of the type of football GM played with the defensive solidity and discipline that NW has instilled would be where I would like to see us go. I'm not saying that will be easy on our budget and maybe its wishful thinking but it'll be interesting to see the type of player NW recruits over the summer. At the end of the day I think the board's remit to NW will be to ensure that the club enters the new stadium as a football league club to maximise the commercial opportunities and I could fully understand that which may mean that the current NW pragmatic approach may continue. However there should be no reason why we can't achieve both continued football league status and a more attractive playing style. We shall see.[/p][/quote]I agree with many of your points but would like to see a couple of target players named to transform what is a transitional team, albeit with a good base defensively assuming Banj stays. A player of Andre Boucauds quality seems to me to be required plus a couple of strikers with a potential of a 1 in 2 goals per game all achieved within our means not easy, plus the difficult LB role to find a player for. Any thoughts on Yan Klukowski ex Forest green? joejamestom
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Thu 15 May 14

bill bailey says...

joejamestom wrote:
dadster wrote:
Having watched us all season it is frustrating at times seeing the ball constantly in the air and the arrival of Andrew if anything has meant we have played even more long aerial balls which in fairness to Andrew he has won more than his fair share but against Fleetwood their 2 centre backs dealt with him fairly easily. Also with Coulson's lack of pace he doesn't seem to get on the end of many flick-ons so all we are doing is conceding possession which against a team like Fleetwood who can keep the ball better than most in L2 means we can't dictate the game.

I know I've said it many times on here that I had no issue with playing this type of football as a means to an end in terms of securing our league status as quickly as possible and as part of the evolution of the team moving forward but whilst you can't argue with the results since Jan the football on show has been largely unattractive.

We have seen glimpses of the type of attacking football that this team are capable of against Wycombe, Portsmouth & Scunthorpe but these are isolated occurrences and I for one would have liked to see a change to more attractive football once we had got to 52 points a couple of months ago. Whilst many may disagree I would have been prepared to sacrifice a play-off position to try to establish a baseline of better football in preparation for next season. I believe we have the players that can play football on the ground. As some others have said on here I still feel we are not ready for promotion this season and the style of football we play would need to change to even stay in L1 were we to get there.

At this moment in our development I would much rather see a more attractive style of football evolving and one which gets the supporters excited. Whilst we have done exceptionally well this season which has resulted in some good attendances towards the end of season I'm not sure the "floating" supporters who have come along to watch will have been too excited by the football on offer to the point that they will come back on a regular basis which is fundamental to the club's income.

NW has done a magnificent job so far in firstly saving us from what appeared certain relegation into the abyss of non-league and then somehow leading us to a play off position this season (and possibly more) but now is the time to really see whether he has the desire and capability on what will be a tight budget to take us to the next level in terms of footballing style whilst still challenging for a play-off place next season in L2 (assuming we don't get promoted).

I think a hybrid of the type of football GM played with the defensive solidity and discipline that NW has instilled would be where I would like to see us go. I'm not saying that will be easy on our budget and maybe its wishful thinking but it'll be interesting to see the type of player NW recruits over the summer.

At the end of the day I think the board's remit to NW will be to ensure that the club enters the new stadium as a football league club to maximise the commercial opportunities and I could fully understand that which may mean that the current NW pragmatic approach may continue. However there should be no reason why we can't achieve both continued football league status and a more attractive playing style. We shall see.
I agree with many of your points but would like to see a couple of target players named to transform what is a transitional team, albeit with a good base defensively assuming Banj stays. A player of Andre Boucauds quality seems to me to be required plus a couple of strikers with a potential of a 1 in 2 goals per game all achieved within our means not easy, plus the difficult LB role to find a player for. Any thoughts on Yan Klukowski ex Forest green?
Never seen the lad, therefore it would be unfair to give an opinion , but I know the west country teams very well ,Bath, Chippenham, Larkhall, these are fairly low grade teams Bath fair, the other two about best of our local clubs, I don't see any mileage in him for us, Had he been league standard he would have in been in there by now. But hey stranger things have happened,
[quote][p][bold]joejamestom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dadster[/bold] wrote: Having watched us all season it is frustrating at times seeing the ball constantly in the air and the arrival of Andrew if anything has meant we have played even more long aerial balls which in fairness to Andrew he has won more than his fair share but against Fleetwood their 2 centre backs dealt with him fairly easily. Also with Coulson's lack of pace he doesn't seem to get on the end of many flick-ons so all we are doing is conceding possession which against a team like Fleetwood who can keep the ball better than most in L2 means we can't dictate the game. I know I've said it many times on here that I had no issue with playing this type of football as a means to an end in terms of securing our league status as quickly as possible and as part of the evolution of the team moving forward but whilst you can't argue with the results since Jan the football on show has been largely unattractive. We have seen glimpses of the type of attacking football that this team are capable of against Wycombe, Portsmouth & Scunthorpe but these are isolated occurrences and I for one would have liked to see a change to more attractive football once we had got to 52 points a couple of months ago. Whilst many may disagree I would have been prepared to sacrifice a play-off position to try to establish a baseline of better football in preparation for next season. I believe we have the players that can play football on the ground. As some others have said on here I still feel we are not ready for promotion this season and the style of football we play would need to change to even stay in L1 were we to get there. At this moment in our development I would much rather see a more attractive style of football evolving and one which gets the supporters excited. Whilst we have done exceptionally well this season which has resulted in some good attendances towards the end of season I'm not sure the "floating" supporters who have come along to watch will have been too excited by the football on offer to the point that they will come back on a regular basis which is fundamental to the club's income. NW has done a magnificent job so far in firstly saving us from what appeared certain relegation into the abyss of non-league and then somehow leading us to a play off position this season (and possibly more) but now is the time to really see whether he has the desire and capability on what will be a tight budget to take us to the next level in terms of footballing style whilst still challenging for a play-off place next season in L2 (assuming we don't get promoted). I think a hybrid of the type of football GM played with the defensive solidity and discipline that NW has instilled would be where I would like to see us go. I'm not saying that will be easy on our budget and maybe its wishful thinking but it'll be interesting to see the type of player NW recruits over the summer. At the end of the day I think the board's remit to NW will be to ensure that the club enters the new stadium as a football league club to maximise the commercial opportunities and I could fully understand that which may mean that the current NW pragmatic approach may continue. However there should be no reason why we can't achieve both continued football league status and a more attractive playing style. We shall see.[/p][/quote]I agree with many of your points but would like to see a couple of target players named to transform what is a transitional team, albeit with a good base defensively assuming Banj stays. A player of Andre Boucauds quality seems to me to be required plus a couple of strikers with a potential of a 1 in 2 goals per game all achieved within our means not easy, plus the difficult LB role to find a player for. Any thoughts on Yan Klukowski ex Forest green?[/p][/quote]Never seen the lad, therefore it would be unfair to give an opinion , but I know the west country teams very well ,Bath, Chippenham, Larkhall, these are fairly low grade teams Bath fair, the other two about best of our local clubs, I don't see any mileage in him for us, Had he been league standard he would have in been in there by now. But hey stranger things have happened, bill bailey
  • Score: -2

10:31am Fri 16 May 14

Peppa07 says...

dadster wrote:
Having watched us all season it is frustrating at times seeing the ball constantly in the air and the arrival of Andrew if anything has meant we have played even more long aerial balls which in fairness to Andrew he has won more than his fair share but against Fleetwood their 2 centre backs dealt with him fairly easily. Also with Coulson's lack of pace he doesn't seem to get on the end of many flick-ons so all we are doing is conceding possession which against a team like Fleetwood who can keep the ball better than most in L2 means we can't dictate the game.

I know I've said it many times on here that I had no issue with playing this type of football as a means to an end in terms of securing our league status as quickly as possible and as part of the evolution of the team moving forward but whilst you can't argue with the results since Jan the football on show has been largely unattractive.

We have seen glimpses of the type of attacking football that this team are capable of against Wycombe, Portsmouth & Scunthorpe but these are isolated occurrences and I for one would have liked to see a change to more attractive football once we had got to 52 points a couple of months ago. Whilst many may disagree I would have been prepared to sacrifice a play-off position to try to establish a baseline of better football in preparation for next season. I believe we have the players that can play football on the ground. As some others have said on here I still feel we are not ready for promotion this season and the style of football we play would need to change to even stay in L1 were we to get there.

At this moment in our development I would much rather see a more attractive style of football evolving and one which gets the supporters excited. Whilst we have done exceptionally well this season which has resulted in some good attendances towards the end of season I'm not sure the "floating" supporters who have come along to watch will have been too excited by the football on offer to the point that they will come back on a regular basis which is fundamental to the club's income.

NW has done a magnificent job so far in firstly saving us from what appeared certain relegation into the abyss of non-league and then somehow leading us to a play off position this season (and possibly more) but now is the time to really see whether he has the desire and capability on what will be a tight budget to take us to the next level in terms of footballing style whilst still challenging for a play-off place next season in L2 (assuming we don't get promoted).

I think a hybrid of the type of football GM played with the defensive solidity and discipline that NW has instilled would be where I would like to see us go. I'm not saying that will be easy on our budget and maybe its wishful thinking but it'll be interesting to see the type of player NW recruits over the summer.

At the end of the day I think the board's remit to NW will be to ensure that the club enters the new stadium as a football league club to maximise the commercial opportunities and I could fully understand that which may mean that the current NW pragmatic approach may continue. However there should be no reason why we can't achieve both continued football league status and a more attractive playing style. We shall see.
Great post, Dadster!
Thanks! Football's simple really, but to be anywhere near entertaining the ball should spend most of the time on or near the ground, with fast wide players aiming to get low hard crosses in from the wings and preferably from on or near the byline so no striker waiting can be offside.
Tonight the hope is that Coulson and Banjo can deliver and our superb defence hold firm. Hoofball and we're out. We should face facts: we were well beaten on Monday because the tactics were wrong.
[quote][p][bold]dadster[/bold] wrote: Having watched us all season it is frustrating at times seeing the ball constantly in the air and the arrival of Andrew if anything has meant we have played even more long aerial balls which in fairness to Andrew he has won more than his fair share but against Fleetwood their 2 centre backs dealt with him fairly easily. Also with Coulson's lack of pace he doesn't seem to get on the end of many flick-ons so all we are doing is conceding possession which against a team like Fleetwood who can keep the ball better than most in L2 means we can't dictate the game. I know I've said it many times on here that I had no issue with playing this type of football as a means to an end in terms of securing our league status as quickly as possible and as part of the evolution of the team moving forward but whilst you can't argue with the results since Jan the football on show has been largely unattractive. We have seen glimpses of the type of attacking football that this team are capable of against Wycombe, Portsmouth & Scunthorpe but these are isolated occurrences and I for one would have liked to see a change to more attractive football once we had got to 52 points a couple of months ago. Whilst many may disagree I would have been prepared to sacrifice a play-off position to try to establish a baseline of better football in preparation for next season. I believe we have the players that can play football on the ground. As some others have said on here I still feel we are not ready for promotion this season and the style of football we play would need to change to even stay in L1 were we to get there. At this moment in our development I would much rather see a more attractive style of football evolving and one which gets the supporters excited. Whilst we have done exceptionally well this season which has resulted in some good attendances towards the end of season I'm not sure the "floating" supporters who have come along to watch will have been too excited by the football on offer to the point that they will come back on a regular basis which is fundamental to the club's income. NW has done a magnificent job so far in firstly saving us from what appeared certain relegation into the abyss of non-league and then somehow leading us to a play off position this season (and possibly more) but now is the time to really see whether he has the desire and capability on what will be a tight budget to take us to the next level in terms of footballing style whilst still challenging for a play-off place next season in L2 (assuming we don't get promoted). I think a hybrid of the type of football GM played with the defensive solidity and discipline that NW has instilled would be where I would like to see us go. I'm not saying that will be easy on our budget and maybe its wishful thinking but it'll be interesting to see the type of player NW recruits over the summer. At the end of the day I think the board's remit to NW will be to ensure that the club enters the new stadium as a football league club to maximise the commercial opportunities and I could fully understand that which may mean that the current NW pragmatic approach may continue. However there should be no reason why we can't achieve both continued football league status and a more attractive playing style. We shall see.[/p][/quote]Great post, Dadster! Thanks! Football's simple really, but to be anywhere near entertaining the ball should spend most of the time on or near the ground, with fast wide players aiming to get low hard crosses in from the wings and preferably from on or near the byline so no striker waiting can be offside. Tonight the hope is that Coulson and Banjo can deliver and our superb defence hold firm. Hoofball and we're out. We should face facts: we were well beaten on Monday because the tactics were wrong. Peppa07
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