York City owners JM Packaging promise to write off any shortfall from sale of Bootham Crescent

Pledge of cash to secure York City's future

Pledge of cash to secure York City's future

First published in Sport York Press: Photograph of the Author by , Sports reporter

YORK City’s owners JM Packaging have promised to write off any shortfall in the money owed to them by the football club following the sale of Bootham Crescent.

The Minstermen’s accounts for the year ending June 30, 2013, covering the club’s first season back in the Football League after an eight-year absence, have revealed further losses of £271,000.

Financial packages related to the dismissals of manager Gary Mills and his backroom staff of Darron Gee, Des Lyttle and Paul Musselwhite have been given as the chief reason for the six-figure sum with a swollen playing squad, that saw 36 players represent the club during the campaign, also contributing.

City chairman Jason McGill’s Malton-based company JM Packaging made a £95,000 donation during the season to prevent the club from contravening the Football League’s Salary Cost Management Protocol, which dictates that member clubs can only spend 55 per cent of their income on playing costs.

Following this set of accounts, JM Packaging have now contributed £1.8 million in interest-free loans to the club to cover losses since assuming ownership of the Bootham Crescent outfit in 2006.

McGill has previously confirmed that he would waive the interest, which would now amount to approximately £700,000, his company were entitled to receive as part of the takeover deal agreed with the Supporters’ Trust eight years ago. City’s financial management consultant Peter Rookes has, meanwhile, revealed that he expects the club to carry on making annual losses until the anticipated move to a new stadium in 2016.

But he has also importantly announced that the club will not be in debt to JM Packaging should equity from the sale of Bootham Crescent prove insufficient to repay the company fully for the money they have ploughed in during their tenure.Rookes said: “A recent valuation of Bootham Crescent has confirmed there is sufficient value in the site to meet all existing liabilities and budgeted future liabilities until the move to the new community stadium in July 2016.

“If this position was to change and the value of the site decreased, JM Packaging has confirmed they would write off any shortfall in the debt owed to them by the club.

“This clearly is an extremely positive statement from the club’s parent company and shows JM Packaging’s genuine commitment to York City Football Club.”

The Minstermen’s operating losses were more than half of the £598,000 suffered during the Conference promotion-winning campaign of 2011/12 with Rookes adding: “These financial results are a substantial improvement on the previous year.

“Helped by the additional central funding from the Football League and Premier League following promotion, the club have been able to reduce their losses, as well as maintain a competitive playing budget for the manager.

“The losses also include significant costs associated with the change in playing management as well as the additional costs of carrying a large squad of players.

“Since promotion, the club has been subject to the Football League’s Salary Cost Management Protocol, which broadly restricts the amount spent on playing costs to 55 per cent of income.

“JM Packaging were able to assist in this regard by making a donation to the club of £95,000 during the financial year. As would be expected, the accounts show that wages were the major expense for the club.

“Playing costs, including player and football management wages, bonuses for on-pitch success as well as administration and matchday wages, represent around 82 per cent of income in total.” Other significant expenditure included matchday costs, general overheads and stadium repairs while gate receipts remained City’s biggest source of money during 2012/13 - accounting for 33 per cent of total income.

The accounts also showed that no salaries or expenses were taken by City’s board of directors during the season.

On the off-pitch outlook going forward, Rookes said: “This season, the club board have again set a budget to give Nigel Worthington the best possible chance of success on the pitch whilst adhering to the strict financial constraints set by the League.

“The club board aims each season to set a break-even budget, however, the sources of income at Bootham Crescent are limited and costs of running the ground are high.

“Being realistic, to retain a competitive playing budget is likely to mean the club will continue to makes losses until the move to the new stadium, which will enable off-field costs to be reduced and income maximised.”

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1:18pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Blaydon Red says...

More good news. Well done the McGills
More good news. Well done the McGills Blaydon Red
  • Score: 21

1:21pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Justin7 says...

Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days.

The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.
Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground. Justin7
  • Score: 21

1:47pm Tue 1 Apr 14

ian923 says...

With the support of the Chairman NW has been able to construct a squad well capable of competing this season in League2 and possibly even League1. If only we could achieve promotion at the end of this season we might be then able to secure Nick Pope on contract as I can,t see him signing a contract for us if we stay where we are. Judging by the article we wasted a lot of wages money with GM and his management team and on players who were never going to be any good for us as opposed to NW,s signings. We are well safe and with the number of games to go can even hope to be in the play offs at the end of the season. Well done JM , NW and the rest of the staff especially the groundsmen.
With the support of the Chairman NW has been able to construct a squad well capable of competing this season in League2 and possibly even League1. If only we could achieve promotion at the end of this season we might be then able to secure Nick Pope on contract as I can,t see him signing a contract for us if we stay where we are. Judging by the article we wasted a lot of wages money with GM and his management team and on players who were never going to be any good for us as opposed to NW,s signings. We are well safe and with the number of games to go can even hope to be in the play offs at the end of the season. Well done JM , NW and the rest of the staff especially the groundsmen. ian923
  • Score: 20

2:49pm Tue 1 Apr 14

cambersdad says...

Justin7 wrote:
Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.
i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.[/p][/quote]i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate cambersdad
  • Score: -10

3:50pm Tue 1 Apr 14

OLD - HEAD says...

JM Packaging obviously have the club at heart. But they also have a business to run, so they must be confident that they can recover their financial outlay once Bootham Crescent is vacated. Attendances at the new stadium will probably be higher when the stadium first opens. But it will level out as time goes on. There is a very fine line deciding what the capacity should be, as City only have a small fan base for league matches. We have a regular 2500 to 3000 for league matches at Bootham Crescent, but I am not sure how many of those fans would switch to Monks Cross. Also the away fans attending wiil not find Monks Cross an easy venue to get to. Probably a ground that holds 6-7 thousand would be sufficient. But this is not a new problem as most clubs who leave old fashioned grounds near the city centre to go to new purpose built grounds on the outskirts of town have found out..
JM Packaging obviously have the club at heart. But they also have a business to run, so they must be confident that they can recover their financial outlay once Bootham Crescent is vacated. Attendances at the new stadium will probably be higher when the stadium first opens. But it will level out as time goes on. There is a very fine line deciding what the capacity should be, as City only have a small fan base for league matches. We have a regular 2500 to 3000 for league matches at Bootham Crescent, but I am not sure how many of those fans would switch to Monks Cross. Also the away fans attending wiil not find Monks Cross an easy venue to get to. Probably a ground that holds 6-7 thousand would be sufficient. But this is not a new problem as most clubs who leave old fashioned grounds near the city centre to go to new purpose built grounds on the outskirts of town have found out.. OLD - HEAD
  • Score: 7

4:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

cambersdad wrote:
Justin7 wrote:
Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.
i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate
With respect my friend you lack vision , forget now. look forward .
If we get promotion be it this year or next travelling supporters will come in their thousands, Doncaster, Sheffield.to mention 2 , you know who we will be playing you know their pulling power.i disagree I think you should see the where we will be .I believe our core supporters will increase by 1500 that ill make 5k put on top of that visiting fans 8k wont be big enough.
[quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.[/p][/quote]i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate[/p][/quote]With respect my friend you lack vision , forget now. look forward . If we get promotion be it this year or next travelling supporters will come in their thousands, Doncaster, Sheffield.to mention 2 , you know who we will be playing you know their pulling power.i disagree I think you should see the where we will be .I believe our core supporters will increase by 1500 that ill make 5k put on top of that visiting fans 8k wont be big enough. bill bailey
  • Score: 5

5:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

NottsExile says...

I love Bootham Crescent. The soul of the club and its history are integral to the old place but as much as my wife and I love to come, the place is dated and we have to step into a bright future with a stadium to meet the needs of the 21st century and the fans that are not attracted to Bootham Crescent. Spacious parking and regular buses from the city centre will overcome the negatives of remaining in the current ground.

I remember the everyday games and the great games - Arsenal, Everton, Manchester United are amongst those who have perished at Bootham Crescent and we will no doubt create similar memories at the new ground.

Remember - let's stay positive and celebrate the commitment that everyone is showing - including an owner who is writing off some serious money.
I love Bootham Crescent. The soul of the club and its history are integral to the old place but as much as my wife and I love to come, the place is dated and we have to step into a bright future with a stadium to meet the needs of the 21st century and the fans that are not attracted to Bootham Crescent. Spacious parking and regular buses from the city centre will overcome the negatives of remaining in the current ground. I remember the everyday games and the great games - Arsenal, Everton, Manchester United are amongst those who have perished at Bootham Crescent and we will no doubt create similar memories at the new ground. Remember - let's stay positive and celebrate the commitment that everyone is showing - including an owner who is writing off some serious money. NottsExile
  • Score: 15

7:17pm Tue 1 Apr 14

new_fr says...

cambersdad wrote:
Justin7 wrote:
Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.
i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate
What does a 6,000 capacity tell prospective signings? Its also probably easier to build big, rather than go through the inconvenience of increasing capacity later on. IMHO, the bigger the better. Good to see the accounts published, but every year, what's in the public domain seems to get shorter and shorter, even allowing for the fact that as a private company the McGills aren't governed by the same regulations as a public company. Take a look at the "Accounts, Overview" on the archive page of the York City South web site http://www.yorkcitys
outh.co.uk/db.htm to see the level of info published in previous years. If nothing else, it shows how much a club like City loses year on year and how indebted we are to the McGill family.
[quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.[/p][/quote]i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate[/p][/quote]What does a 6,000 capacity tell prospective signings? Its also probably easier to build big, rather than go through the inconvenience of increasing capacity later on. IMHO, the bigger the better. Good to see the accounts published, but every year, what's in the public domain seems to get shorter and shorter, even allowing for the fact that as a private company the McGills aren't governed by the same regulations as a public company. Take a look at the "Accounts, Overview" on the archive page of the York City South web site http://www.yorkcitys outh.co.uk/db.htm to see the level of info published in previous years. If nothing else, it shows how much a club like City loses year on year and how indebted we are to the McGill family. new_fr
  • Score: -3

10:06pm Tue 1 Apr 14

cambersdad says...

bill bailey wrote:
cambersdad wrote:
Justin7 wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.
i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate
With respect my friend you lack vision , forget now. look forward . If we get promotion be it this year or next travelling supporters will come in their thousands, Doncaster, Sheffield.to mention 2 , you know who we will be playing you know their pulling power.i disagree I think you should see the where we will be .I believe our core supporters will increase by 1500 that ill make 5k put on top of that visiting fans 8k wont be big enough.
sorry bill i don't think i lack vision i just live in the real world, our fan base is what it is and that will not change if we get promoted this year next year or whenever, in my opinion why should we rattle around in a big stadium and lose all atmosphere just on the off chance we could have two or three sell out games at home in the forseable future,we are what we are division one team at best thats not lacking vision thats being a realist, i love york city with a passion but i know what we are, and to reply to NEW FR i can tell you now as an ex profesonal sportsman it's not about how many people you perform in front of, it's how much you get paid, sorry NEW FR but that IS a fact believe me, would you rather play for two grand a week in front of 10000 or three grand a week in front of 4000 if you live in the real world with a family and a mortgage i think you would chose the latter it's called life no matter what job we do
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.[/p][/quote]i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate[/p][/quote]With respect my friend you lack vision , forget now. look forward . If we get promotion be it this year or next travelling supporters will come in their thousands, Doncaster, Sheffield.to mention 2 , you know who we will be playing you know their pulling power.i disagree I think you should see the where we will be .I believe our core supporters will increase by 1500 that ill make 5k put on top of that visiting fans 8k wont be big enough.[/p][/quote]sorry bill i don't think i lack vision i just live in the real world, our fan base is what it is and that will not change if we get promoted this year next year or whenever, in my opinion why should we rattle around in a big stadium and lose all atmosphere just on the off chance we could have two or three sell out games at home in the forseable future,we are what we are division one team at best thats not lacking vision thats being a realist, i love york city with a passion but i know what we are, and to reply to NEW FR i can tell you now as an ex profesonal sportsman it's not about how many people you perform in front of, it's how much you get paid, sorry NEW FR but that IS a fact believe me, would you rather play for two grand a week in front of 10000 or three grand a week in front of 4000 if you live in the real world with a family and a mortgage i think you would chose the latter it's called life no matter what job we do cambersdad
  • Score: 1

8:17am Wed 2 Apr 14

Lambi-63 says...

cambersdad wrote:
Justin7 wrote:
Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.
i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate
Take your point, but having been to Chesterfield's new stadium and seen what they can offer fans and sponsors by way of hospitality and the rest and seen how their crowds have soared as a result, most of us would expect City's attendances to go the same way. History has shown that clubs moving to new stadia have seen significant increases in attendances and income too. The stats speak for themselves. http://www.significa
ncemagazine.org/deta
ils/webexclusive/179
4025/Do-new-stadiums
-really-bring-the-cr
owds-flocking.html

Add a promotion and visits of the likes of Sheffield Utd, Bradford, Rotherham, and dare I say it, Leeds, then who knows how many more that would bring in? Thankfully, it looks like common sense is prevailing and that an 8,000 capacity is now looking likely. Let's have no more of this nonsense about 6,000 been fine. Fine is not good! Besides, I think you can count on one hand how many clubs have a ground with a 6,000 capacity or less. We would have one of the smallest grounds in the whole league!
[quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.[/p][/quote]i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate[/p][/quote]Take your point, but having been to Chesterfield's new stadium and seen what they can offer fans and sponsors by way of hospitality and the rest and seen how their crowds have soared as a result, most of us would expect City's attendances to go the same way. History has shown that clubs moving to new stadia have seen significant increases in attendances and income too. The stats speak for themselves. http://www.significa ncemagazine.org/deta ils/webexclusive/179 4025/Do-new-stadiums -really-bring-the-cr owds-flocking.html Add a promotion and visits of the likes of Sheffield Utd, Bradford, Rotherham, and dare I say it, Leeds, then who knows how many more that would bring in? Thankfully, it looks like common sense is prevailing and that an 8,000 capacity is now looking likely. Let's have no more of this nonsense about 6,000 been fine. Fine is not good! Besides, I think you can count on one hand how many clubs have a ground with a 6,000 capacity or less. We would have one of the smallest grounds in the whole league! Lambi-63
  • Score: 6

9:13am Wed 2 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

cambersdad wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
cambersdad wrote:
Justin7 wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.
i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate
With respect my friend you lack vision , forget now. look forward . If we get promotion be it this year or next travelling supporters will come in their thousands, Doncaster, Sheffield.to mention 2 , you know who we will be playing you know their pulling power.i disagree I think you should see the where we will be .I believe our core supporters will increase by 1500 that ill make 5k put on top of that visiting fans 8k wont be big enough.
sorry bill i don't think i lack vision i just live in the real world, our fan base is what it is and that will not change if we get promoted this year next year or whenever, in my opinion why should we rattle around in a big stadium and lose all atmosphere just on the off chance we could have two or three sell out games at home in the forseable future,we are what we are division one team at best thats not lacking vision thats being a realist, i love york city with a passion but i know what we are, and to reply to NEW FR i can tell you now as an ex profesonal sportsman it's not about how many people you perform in front of, it's how much you get paid, sorry NEW FR but that IS a fact believe me, would you rather play for two grand a week in front of 10000 or three grand a week in front of 4000 if you live in the real world with a family and a mortgage i think you would chose the latter it's called life no matter what job we do
We all have opinions if your happy fine, Wages paid has nothing to do with it
Lambi63 is right new stadia brings advantages in many ways as he said,
New sponsorship , new faces , new teams, new players , new feeling a feeling of a new beginning. I have seen it all in my time and been involved too and there's no better feeling than being part of a new beginning..Hindsight is a wonderful thing I hope we don't have to use the word when the size of the stadium shows it should have been 10k not 6k
[quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.[/p][/quote]i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate[/p][/quote]With respect my friend you lack vision , forget now. look forward . If we get promotion be it this year or next travelling supporters will come in their thousands, Doncaster, Sheffield.to mention 2 , you know who we will be playing you know their pulling power.i disagree I think you should see the where we will be .I believe our core supporters will increase by 1500 that ill make 5k put on top of that visiting fans 8k wont be big enough.[/p][/quote]sorry bill i don't think i lack vision i just live in the real world, our fan base is what it is and that will not change if we get promoted this year next year or whenever, in my opinion why should we rattle around in a big stadium and lose all atmosphere just on the off chance we could have two or three sell out games at home in the forseable future,we are what we are division one team at best thats not lacking vision thats being a realist, i love york city with a passion but i know what we are, and to reply to NEW FR i can tell you now as an ex profesonal sportsman it's not about how many people you perform in front of, it's how much you get paid, sorry NEW FR but that IS a fact believe me, would you rather play for two grand a week in front of 10000 or three grand a week in front of 4000 if you live in the real world with a family and a mortgage i think you would chose the latter it's called life no matter what job we do[/p][/quote]We all have opinions if your happy fine, Wages paid has nothing to do with it Lambi63 is right new stadia brings advantages in many ways as he said, New sponsorship , new faces , new teams, new players , new feeling a feeling of a new beginning. I have seen it all in my time and been involved too and there's no better feeling than being part of a new beginning..Hindsight is a wonderful thing I hope we don't have to use the word when the size of the stadium shows it should have been 10k not 6k bill bailey
  • Score: 0

10:44am Wed 2 Apr 14

OLD - HEAD says...

Ambition is admirable, but reality is fact. When City reached the dizzy heights of the old Division Two (Championship) we had talk of building a railway station opposite the ground. That railway station would bring away fans from Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday and West Brom to wthin a short walking distance of our ground. But as we all know those giants of football were to be replaced by the likes of Lewes, Canvey Island and Northwich Victoria. We all have our own ambitions for York City, but in reality very little has changed in the sixty years that I have supported them. Except of course we used to get bigger crowds sixty years ago than we do now.
Ambition is admirable, but reality is fact. When City reached the dizzy heights of the old Division Two (Championship) we had talk of building a railway station opposite the ground. That railway station would bring away fans from Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday and West Brom to wthin a short walking distance of our ground. But as we all know those giants of football were to be replaced by the likes of Lewes, Canvey Island and Northwich Victoria. We all have our own ambitions for York City, but in reality very little has changed in the sixty years that I have supported them. Except of course we used to get bigger crowds sixty years ago than we do now. OLD - HEAD
  • Score: 4

11:06am Wed 2 Apr 14

Tug job says...

OLD - HEAD wrote:
Ambition is admirable, but reality is fact. When City reached the dizzy heights of the old Division Two (Championship) we had talk of building a railway station opposite the ground. That railway station would bring away fans from Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday and West Brom to wthin a short walking distance of our ground. But as we all know those giants of football were to be replaced by the likes of Lewes, Canvey Island and Northwich Victoria. We all have our own ambitions for York City, but in reality very little has changed in the sixty years that I have supported them. Except of course we used to get bigger crowds sixty years ago than we do now.
I remember this well, Old Head, there was also talk of building a three-tier stand on the site of the current Main Stand, for many years the architect's model of this was on display at what is now York College (wat used to be "the Tech"). However, it must be acknowelged that even in the Second Division, our gates were poor. I think this is because City have never really had a period of sustained success, with an achieving team playing good, entertaining football; instead, we've had two or three good years, followed by decline. It is all very well being optimistic, Darlington tried this and it did for them. I would like to think a 10,000-capacity stadium would be possible,but this seems to fall outside the finances available for the proposed Community Stadium. I must say that the planning, procurement and building process for new stadia over here (US) is very quick, with none of the continuous delays we have had up at Monk's Cross.
[quote][p][bold]OLD - HEAD[/bold] wrote: Ambition is admirable, but reality is fact. When City reached the dizzy heights of the old Division Two (Championship) we had talk of building a railway station opposite the ground. That railway station would bring away fans from Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday and West Brom to wthin a short walking distance of our ground. But as we all know those giants of football were to be replaced by the likes of Lewes, Canvey Island and Northwich Victoria. We all have our own ambitions for York City, but in reality very little has changed in the sixty years that I have supported them. Except of course we used to get bigger crowds sixty years ago than we do now.[/p][/quote]I remember this well, Old Head, there was also talk of building a three-tier stand on the site of the current Main Stand, for many years the architect's model of this was on display at what is now York College (wat used to be "the Tech"). However, it must be acknowelged that even in the Second Division, our gates were poor. I think this is because City have never really had a period of sustained success, with an achieving team playing good, entertaining football; instead, we've had two or three good years, followed by decline. It is all very well being optimistic, Darlington tried this and it did for them. I would like to think a 10,000-capacity stadium would be possible,but this seems to fall outside the finances available for the proposed Community Stadium. I must say that the planning, procurement and building process for new stadia over here (US) is very quick, with none of the continuous delays we have had up at Monk's Cross. Tug job
  • Score: 3

11:24am Wed 2 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

OLD - HEAD wrote:
Ambition is admirable, but reality is fact. When City reached the dizzy heights of the old Division Two (Championship) we had talk of building a railway station opposite the ground. That railway station would bring away fans from Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday and West Brom to wthin a short walking distance of our ground. But as we all know those giants of football were to be replaced by the likes of Lewes, Canvey Island and Northwich Victoria. We all have our own ambitions for York City, but in reality very little has changed in the sixty years that I have supported them. Except of course we used to get bigger crowds sixty years ago than we do now.
I respect your knowledge of years gone by, but every thing moves on hopefully for the better that in itself we have our opinions. If you or any on here have worked or ran a business you have to have a vision for the future
using historical figures , present, and predicting figures on known criteria .
On that basis known figures are,
Conference home attendances 2 yrs pior to promotion were 2267 average
This year in the league are Midweek games at home 3204,
This year in the league Saturday are 4034.
These figures include visiting fans,
You can see that attendances have increased by over 1700, since we were promoted ,
That's historical and present figures, Projecting is always an unknown area
but one has to predict , we know when we get promoted be it this year or next the teams visiting will the likes of Bradford. Port Vale. Coventry.Sheffield Utd and others with a good following.
Our base will increase at a similar rate as it has and visiting fans also.
All in all I see we need a minimum stadium of 8k but it should be 10k.
[quote][p][bold]OLD - HEAD[/bold] wrote: Ambition is admirable, but reality is fact. When City reached the dizzy heights of the old Division Two (Championship) we had talk of building a railway station opposite the ground. That railway station would bring away fans from Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday and West Brom to wthin a short walking distance of our ground. But as we all know those giants of football were to be replaced by the likes of Lewes, Canvey Island and Northwich Victoria. We all have our own ambitions for York City, but in reality very little has changed in the sixty years that I have supported them. Except of course we used to get bigger crowds sixty years ago than we do now.[/p][/quote]I respect your knowledge of years gone by, but every thing moves on hopefully for the better that in itself we have our opinions. If you or any on here have worked or ran a business you have to have a vision for the future using historical figures , present, and predicting figures on known criteria . On that basis known figures are, Conference home attendances 2 yrs pior to promotion were 2267 average This year in the league are Midweek games at home 3204, This year in the league Saturday are 4034. These figures include visiting fans, You can see that attendances have increased by over 1700, since we were promoted , That's historical and present figures, Projecting is always an unknown area but one has to predict , we know when we get promoted be it this year or next the teams visiting will the likes of Bradford. Port Vale. Coventry.Sheffield Utd and others with a good following. Our base will increase at a similar rate as it has and visiting fans also. All in all I see we need a minimum stadium of 8k but it should be 10k. bill bailey
  • Score: 5

11:25am Wed 2 Apr 14

RooBeck says...

OLD - HEAD wrote:
Ambition is admirable, but reality is fact. When City reached the dizzy heights of the old Division Two (Championship) we had talk of building a railway station opposite the ground. That railway station would bring away fans from Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday and West Brom to wthin a short walking distance of our ground. But as we all know those giants of football were to be replaced by the likes of Lewes, Canvey Island and Northwich Victoria. We all have our own ambitions for York City, but in reality very little has changed in the sixty years that I have supported them. Except of course we used to get bigger crowds sixty years ago than we do now.
Quite right! Over the years, we have never got above a certain and in-sufficient level of fans actually attending the ground for the bread and butter league games and it was once said (maybe still is), that York is not a footballing city, unlike many clubs with comparable populations/surround
ing districts. ie. Look at Norwich and Ipswich as an example. It was a disappointment on a fine afternoon last Saturday, that we couldn't break the 4,000 barrier against a team just above us in the play-off positions! (What happened to those 5,000 fans we took to the 3rd round FACup tie at The Reebok Stadium, only three years ago?!) We have to maintain ambition but reality is also a strong consideration and though all City fans wish to see the dawn of a new, exciting era for the club in the form of a new stadium and the enthusiasm that will bring, the planners and sporting officials must get it right and get their research, predictions and marketing spot on. We must not have a 'white elephant' on the lines of the Northern Echo Arena with it's sun-bleached, plastic seats because they have never been sat on and this venture inevitably brought about the financial collapse of a famous old club like Darlington FC! On the flip-side, we don't want something that has a capacity and size that makes us look as though we are still in non-league competition. There will be some tough choices for the City Board but that is what they are in place for, so as to make the correct decisions and balance ambitions with reality! COYR. PS. When Hull City played at Boothferry Park, they had a train-station next to the ground and it was well used by fans.
[quote][p][bold]OLD - HEAD[/bold] wrote: Ambition is admirable, but reality is fact. When City reached the dizzy heights of the old Division Two (Championship) we had talk of building a railway station opposite the ground. That railway station would bring away fans from Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday and West Brom to wthin a short walking distance of our ground. But as we all know those giants of football were to be replaced by the likes of Lewes, Canvey Island and Northwich Victoria. We all have our own ambitions for York City, but in reality very little has changed in the sixty years that I have supported them. Except of course we used to get bigger crowds sixty years ago than we do now.[/p][/quote]Quite right! Over the years, we have never got above a certain and in-sufficient level of fans actually attending the ground for the bread and butter league games and it was once said (maybe still is), that York is not a footballing city, unlike many clubs with comparable populations/surround ing districts. ie. Look at Norwich and Ipswich as an example. It was a disappointment on a fine afternoon last Saturday, that we couldn't break the 4,000 barrier against a team just above us in the play-off positions! (What happened to those 5,000 fans we took to the 3rd round FACup tie at The Reebok Stadium, only three years ago?!) We have to maintain ambition but reality is also a strong consideration and though all City fans wish to see the dawn of a new, exciting era for the club in the form of a new stadium and the enthusiasm that will bring, the planners and sporting officials must get it right and get their research, predictions and marketing spot on. We must not have a 'white elephant' on the lines of the Northern Echo Arena with it's sun-bleached, plastic seats because they have never been sat on and this venture inevitably brought about the financial collapse of a famous old club like Darlington FC! On the flip-side, we don't want something that has a capacity and size that makes us look as though we are still in non-league competition. There will be some tough choices for the City Board but that is what they are in place for, so as to make the correct decisions and balance ambitions with reality! COYR. PS. When Hull City played at Boothferry Park, they had a train-station next to the ground and it was well used by fans. RooBeck
  • Score: 0

12:00pm Wed 2 Apr 14

born&breed says...

My thanks to Jason McGill, the family and JMP for their continual support of York City - like the majority of City fan we see you as true supporters of the the Club. Our first season back in the League was always going to be difficult - finding our feet, aiming for mid-table and safety. Last season, our first back in the League, Gary Mills tried to put it right but failed - as we can see from the accounts failed at some cost to Club. Let's put that aside, Nigel came in and secured out place in the League fully supported by the Board. The subsequently the Board backed Nigel in January and the results have been fantastic - instead of talking of a dog fight for relegation we are now talking play-offs. With our Board and Nigel we have a team to take us to the next level - Nigel is genuine when he says 'I love the Club' - he's says it from the heart and will not bankrupt the Club in his attempt to take us further.
Like all supporters, I know Bootham Crescent is our spiritual home and I will be sad to see the bulldozers arrive, but to take the Club forward we must look to the new stadium. There will be more opportunities to put the Club on an even keel - match days will provide the Club with far better facilities not only for the home supporters but away fans. As we all know there are parts of Bootham Crescent that are a problem and parts well below what is acceptable. I would love to stay at Bootham Crescent but we don't have £8m-£10m to upgrade and improve the ground or someone to bank roll it.
Once again thanks to the Board - and thanks to Nigel and his management team - fingers cross for a play-off place.
My thanks to Jason McGill, the family and JMP for their continual support of York City - like the majority of City fan we see you as true supporters of the the Club. Our first season back in the League was always going to be difficult - finding our feet, aiming for mid-table and safety. Last season, our first back in the League, Gary Mills tried to put it right but failed - as we can see from the accounts failed at some cost to Club. Let's put that aside, Nigel came in and secured out place in the League fully supported by the Board. The subsequently the Board backed Nigel in January and the results have been fantastic - instead of talking of a dog fight for relegation we are now talking play-offs. With our Board and Nigel we have a team to take us to the next level - Nigel is genuine when he says 'I love the Club' - he's says it from the heart and will not bankrupt the Club in his attempt to take us further. Like all supporters, I know Bootham Crescent is our spiritual home and I will be sad to see the bulldozers arrive, but to take the Club forward we must look to the new stadium. There will be more opportunities to put the Club on an even keel - match days will provide the Club with far better facilities not only for the home supporters but away fans. As we all know there are parts of Bootham Crescent that are a problem and parts well below what is acceptable. I would love to stay at Bootham Crescent but we don't have £8m-£10m to upgrade and improve the ground or someone to bank roll it. Once again thanks to the Board - and thanks to Nigel and his management team - fingers cross for a play-off place. born&breed
  • Score: 4

2:25pm Wed 2 Apr 14

cambersdad says...

bill bailey wrote:
cambersdad wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
cambersdad wrote:
Justin7 wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.
i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate
With respect my friend you lack vision , forget now. look forward . If we get promotion be it this year or next travelling supporters will come in their thousands, Doncaster, Sheffield.to mention 2 , you know who we will be playing you know their pulling power.i disagree I think you should see the where we will be .I believe our core supporters will increase by 1500 that ill make 5k put on top of that visiting fans 8k wont be big enough.
sorry bill i don't think i lack vision i just live in the real world, our fan base is what it is and that will not change if we get promoted this year next year or whenever, in my opinion why should we rattle around in a big stadium and lose all atmosphere just on the off chance we could have two or three sell out games at home in the forseable future,we are what we are division one team at best thats not lacking vision thats being a realist, i love york city with a passion but i know what we are, and to reply to NEW FR i can tell you now as an ex profesonal sportsman it's not about how many people you perform in front of, it's how much you get paid, sorry NEW FR but that IS a fact believe me, would you rather play for two grand a week in front of 10000 or three grand a week in front of 4000 if you live in the real world with a family and a mortgage i think you would chose the latter it's called life no matter what job we do
We all have opinions if your happy fine, Wages paid has nothing to do with it Lambi63 is right new stadia brings advantages in many ways as he said, New sponsorship , new faces , new teams, new players , new feeling a feeling of a new beginning. I have seen it all in my time and been involved too and there's no better feeling than being part of a new beginning..Hindsight is a wonderful thing I hope we don't have to use the word when the size of the stadium shows it should have been 10k not 6k
sorry bill just to clarify the remark about wages was in reply to NEW FR remark about a bigger stadium sending out better vibes to prospective new signings all i was pointing out was it's a bigger wage packet they want not a bigger audience as an ex pro yourself thought you would be one person who could relate to this like jessie j says it's all about the money (if your not sure who jessie j is bill ask your grand kids lol)
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.[/p][/quote]i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate[/p][/quote]With respect my friend you lack vision , forget now. look forward . If we get promotion be it this year or next travelling supporters will come in their thousands, Doncaster, Sheffield.to mention 2 , you know who we will be playing you know their pulling power.i disagree I think you should see the where we will be .I believe our core supporters will increase by 1500 that ill make 5k put on top of that visiting fans 8k wont be big enough.[/p][/quote]sorry bill i don't think i lack vision i just live in the real world, our fan base is what it is and that will not change if we get promoted this year next year or whenever, in my opinion why should we rattle around in a big stadium and lose all atmosphere just on the off chance we could have two or three sell out games at home in the forseable future,we are what we are division one team at best thats not lacking vision thats being a realist, i love york city with a passion but i know what we are, and to reply to NEW FR i can tell you now as an ex profesonal sportsman it's not about how many people you perform in front of, it's how much you get paid, sorry NEW FR but that IS a fact believe me, would you rather play for two grand a week in front of 10000 or three grand a week in front of 4000 if you live in the real world with a family and a mortgage i think you would chose the latter it's called life no matter what job we do[/p][/quote]We all have opinions if your happy fine, Wages paid has nothing to do with it Lambi63 is right new stadia brings advantages in many ways as he said, New sponsorship , new faces , new teams, new players , new feeling a feeling of a new beginning. I have seen it all in my time and been involved too and there's no better feeling than being part of a new beginning..Hindsight is a wonderful thing I hope we don't have to use the word when the size of the stadium shows it should have been 10k not 6k[/p][/quote]sorry bill just to clarify the remark about wages was in reply to NEW FR remark about a bigger stadium sending out better vibes to prospective new signings all i was pointing out was it's a bigger wage packet they want not a bigger audience as an ex pro yourself thought you would be one person who could relate to this like jessie j says it's all about the money (if your not sure who jessie j is bill ask your grand kids lol) cambersdad
  • Score: 0

3:10pm Wed 2 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

cambersdad wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
cambersdad wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
cambersdad wrote:
Justin7 wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.
i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate
With respect my friend you lack vision , forget now. look forward . If we get promotion be it this year or next travelling supporters will come in their thousands, Doncaster, Sheffield.to mention 2 , you know who we will be playing you know their pulling power.i disagree I think you should see the where we will be .I believe our core supporters will increase by 1500 that ill make 5k put on top of that visiting fans 8k wont be big enough.
sorry bill i don't think i lack vision i just live in the real world, our fan base is what it is and that will not change if we get promoted this year next year or whenever, in my opinion why should we rattle around in a big stadium and lose all atmosphere just on the off chance we could have two or three sell out games at home in the forseable future,we are what we are division one team at best thats not lacking vision thats being a realist, i love york city with a passion but i know what we are, and to reply to NEW FR i can tell you now as an ex profesonal sportsman it's not about how many people you perform in front of, it's how much you get paid, sorry NEW FR but that IS a fact believe me, would you rather play for two grand a week in front of 10000 or three grand a week in front of 4000 if you live in the real world with a family and a mortgage i think you would chose the latter it's called life no matter what job we do
We all have opinions if your happy fine, Wages paid has nothing to do with it Lambi63 is right new stadia brings advantages in many ways as he said, New sponsorship , new faces , new teams, new players , new feeling a feeling of a new beginning. I have seen it all in my time and been involved too and there's no better feeling than being part of a new beginning..Hindsight is a wonderful thing I hope we don't have to use the word when the size of the stadium shows it should have been 10k not 6k
sorry bill just to clarify the remark about wages was in reply to NEW FR remark about a bigger stadium sending out better vibes to prospective new signings all i was pointing out was it's a bigger wage packet they want not a bigger audience as an ex pro yourself thought you would be one person who could relate to this like jessie j says it's all about the money (if your not sure who jessie j is bill ask your grand kids lol)
Point taken CD Its 60yrs ago I was paid £15 a week,,I thought Jessie J was that Cowboy I used to watch Saturday mornings at the fleapit , As for players thinking because a club has a new stadium they could demand bigger wages that would be a non starter 1 The FA states only 55% of a clubs income can go on wages, and 2, I don't think this club would be silly enough to go backwards and pay over the odds , not this Chairman he's a business man first and foremost I'LL BET YOU every Monday morning he has a print out on his desk showing the state of affairs , I always did, If you don't, problems build up, That's my opinion for what it's worth
[quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Well the McGills are business people as well as fans, so I'm sure it'll work out for them and their company in the long run, but I'd like to thank them, as this situation would not be achievable with a different ownership unless it was a sugar daddy (Fleetwood) that is rare these days. The increase in turnover from being a league club shows how much spending power within budget levels we'll have at the new stadium. We just need that to push on and for it not to be a 6,000 seat joke of a ground.[/p][/quote]i'm sorry justin but i can't really see your point on the 6000 seat stadium, we only just three quarter fill the one we have now, we are in cracking form at the moment (admit it can be far from entertaining) we played a top team on saturday and still could not get 4000 through the gate i would love to know where you think all the extra fans are going to appear from bearing in mind all the ones who say they wont go to monks cross. i think personally i would rather be in a 6000 capacity stadium with a bit of atmosphere than rattling round a 10000+ stadium and it be like a mourge, if like earlier sugestions are true there could be room to expand and i would not think the rugby club would want any thing to big to pay for as i don't think they even get 1000 through the gate[/p][/quote]With respect my friend you lack vision , forget now. look forward . If we get promotion be it this year or next travelling supporters will come in their thousands, Doncaster, Sheffield.to mention 2 , you know who we will be playing you know their pulling power.i disagree I think you should see the where we will be .I believe our core supporters will increase by 1500 that ill make 5k put on top of that visiting fans 8k wont be big enough.[/p][/quote]sorry bill i don't think i lack vision i just live in the real world, our fan base is what it is and that will not change if we get promoted this year next year or whenever, in my opinion why should we rattle around in a big stadium and lose all atmosphere just on the off chance we could have two or three sell out games at home in the forseable future,we are what we are division one team at best thats not lacking vision thats being a realist, i love york city with a passion but i know what we are, and to reply to NEW FR i can tell you now as an ex profesonal sportsman it's not about how many people you perform in front of, it's how much you get paid, sorry NEW FR but that IS a fact believe me, would you rather play for two grand a week in front of 10000 or three grand a week in front of 4000 if you live in the real world with a family and a mortgage i think you would chose the latter it's called life no matter what job we do[/p][/quote]We all have opinions if your happy fine, Wages paid has nothing to do with it Lambi63 is right new stadia brings advantages in many ways as he said, New sponsorship , new faces , new teams, new players , new feeling a feeling of a new beginning. I have seen it all in my time and been involved too and there's no better feeling than being part of a new beginning..Hindsight is a wonderful thing I hope we don't have to use the word when the size of the stadium shows it should have been 10k not 6k[/p][/quote]sorry bill just to clarify the remark about wages was in reply to NEW FR remark about a bigger stadium sending out better vibes to prospective new signings all i was pointing out was it's a bigger wage packet they want not a bigger audience as an ex pro yourself thought you would be one person who could relate to this like jessie j says it's all about the money (if your not sure who jessie j is bill ask your grand kids lol)[/p][/quote]Point taken CD Its 60yrs ago I was paid £15 a week,,I thought Jessie J was that Cowboy I used to watch Saturday mornings at the fleapit , As for players thinking because a club has a new stadium they could demand bigger wages that would be a non starter 1 The FA states only 55% of a clubs income can go on wages, and 2, I don't think this club would be silly enough to go backwards and pay over the odds , not this Chairman he's a business man first and foremost I'LL BET YOU every Monday morning he has a print out on his desk showing the state of affairs , I always did, If you don't, problems build up, That's my opinion for what it's worth bill bailey
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