York City boss Nigel Worthington laments 'bad day at the office' after 2-1 League Two defeat at Bury

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YORK City manager Nigel Worthington blamed a first half to forget as his side ended 2013 with a 2-1 defeat at fellow Sky Bet League Two strugglers Bury.

The Minstermen trailed to Anton Forrester and Nathan Cameron goals at Gigg Lane before substitute Michael Coulson reduced the deficit in the second half.

Forrester netted after just 38 seconds while Cameron scored when City’s on-loan shot-stopper Aaron McCarey failed to gather a weak Danny Nardiello header on 18 minutes.

Lamenting his side’s performance during the opening period, Worthington said: “The first half was one to forget.

“The first goal was conceded far, far too easily after less than 40 seconds so we were off to a bad start. For the second goal, the keeper has put his hands up but it should have been a straightforward save and it put us on the back foot.

“Quite a few players had bad days at the office during that first 45 minutes. In the second half, we were looking for character and, over the course of that 45 minutes, we did have a real go at them and created chances that led to us getting the goal.

“I could live with losing if we had done that over the course of 90 minutes but you cannot start like we did in any game, no matter what league you are in. We were 30 minutes too late in starting at Accrington and it took us 45 minutes to get going against Bury and you just can’t have that.”

Worthington hauled Josh Carson and Lewis Montrose off at half-time to introduce Coulson and Tom Platt and, explaining that double substitution, the Minstermen chief added: “We had to do something.

“Lewis was on a booking and I didn’t want to lose him by risking him getting another yellow card, so that was the thinking behind that substitution. Josh Carson has been outstanding for us but he had a bad day and that can happen.

“It’s still a learning process for Josh and, if you look at his performances this season, overall he’s been either an eight or nine out of ten in most games but it just didn’t happen for him (at Bury).

“Platty came on in midfield and did very well and Couls gave us a bit of energy.”

Despite admitting his team’s first-half display was the biggest cause of defeat, Worthington was also left puzzled by referee Scott Mathieson’s decision to caution Lanre Oyebanjo on 70 minutes for simulation rather than award a penalty following Dean Howell’s lunging challenge in the box.

“I am obviously on the side of York but I thought it was a definite penalty,” Worthington said. “Banj is an honest boy and he said there was contact but you have to live with that and take the rough with the smooth.”

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7:30pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Exiled1 says...

4 wins in 23.
4 wins in 23. Exiled1

7:41pm Sun 29 Dec 13

bill bailey says...

AN HONEST MAN, GIVING AN HONEST OPINION and we have to be honest and support the statement he has made, I for one still back all the those at the club , The BOARD, the MANAGER. his STAFF, and the PLAYERS, All will be well.
AN HONEST MAN, GIVING AN HONEST OPINION and we have to be honest and support the statement he has made, I for one still back all the those at the club , The BOARD, the MANAGER. his STAFF, and the PLAYERS, All will be well. bill bailey

7:46pm Sun 29 Dec 13

pip007 says...

bill bailey wrote:
AN HONEST MAN, GIVING AN HONEST OPINION and we have to be honest and support the statement he has made, I for one still back all the those at the club , The BOARD, the MANAGER. his STAFF, and the PLAYERS, All will be well.
No one's doubting his honesty. It's his ability we're worried about.
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: AN HONEST MAN, GIVING AN HONEST OPINION and we have to be honest and support the statement he has made, I for one still back all the those at the club , The BOARD, the MANAGER. his STAFF, and the PLAYERS, All will be well.[/p][/quote]No one's doubting his honesty. It's his ability we're worried about. pip007

8:06pm Sun 29 Dec 13

duffy says...

End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.
End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets. duffy

8:13pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Exiled1 says...

Im happy to give him the January window to see if he can improve things. This will in effect be his third side already this season though and if things dont improve it has to be bye bye.
Im happy to give him the January window to see if he can improve things. This will in effect be his third side already this season though and if things dont improve it has to be bye bye. Exiled1

8:35pm Sun 29 Dec 13

OLD - HEAD says...

I remember only too well how Gary Mills wasted the January window last year. I am not sure if we can afford to make the same mistake again. NW is a honest enough guy, but his record speaks for itself. Its a difficult choice to make for Jason McGill.
I remember only too well how Gary Mills wasted the January window last year. I am not sure if we can afford to make the same mistake again. NW is a honest enough guy, but his record speaks for itself. Its a difficult choice to make for Jason McGill. OLD - HEAD

8:41pm Sun 29 Dec 13

bill bailey says...

duffy wrote:
End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.
DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well.
You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control.
Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills.
Q, When would you do it.
Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place.
Q, What players would you bring in.
Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ?
Q,
[quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.[/p][/quote]DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well. You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control. Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills. Q, When would you do it. Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place. Q, What players would you bring in. Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ? Q, bill bailey

8:51pm Sun 29 Dec 13

duffy says...

bill bailey wrote:
duffy wrote:
End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.
DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well.
You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control.
Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills.
Q, When would you do it.
Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place.
Q, What players would you bring in.
Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ?
Q,
I would give him another month and the January transfer window and if there is no improvement let him go, we can't leave it late again the way we did with Mills. Manager wise look at who is available with experience at this level at that point.
I would certainly not want to go down this loan route again, probably his biggest mistake this season.
We have the budget to stay out of trouble with decent signings in my view, by all accounts Nigel stated at a fans forum we were around 15th in the league. If that's true we should be doing better.
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.[/p][/quote]DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well. You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control. Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills. Q, When would you do it. Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place. Q, What players would you bring in. Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ? Q,[/p][/quote]I would give him another month and the January transfer window and if there is no improvement let him go, we can't leave it late again the way we did with Mills. Manager wise look at who is available with experience at this level at that point. I would certainly not want to go down this loan route again, probably his biggest mistake this season. We have the budget to stay out of trouble with decent signings in my view, by all accounts Nigel stated at a fans forum we were around 15th in the league. If that's true we should be doing better. duffy

8:58pm Sun 29 Dec 13

PhilTopping says...

Just back. Time for Worthers to go.

We were awful today, pretty awful against Accrington and we've been that way for months now.

Worthington's had his chance. I'm not sure he's got the drive anymore, he seems to be sleep walking straight into relegation. There's no passion from him, or his players. There are no leaders on the field, there was no leadership from the bench. The players looked like they were all strangers. Set pieces were dire. I don't think Nigel Worthington needs the wages and he should walk away now with his head held high. He's not a lower league manager, I'd argue he's no longer a credible club manager.

Today was an appalling spectacle and I don't see any sign at all that Mr Worthington has the quality, understanding or commitment to turn it around.
Just back. Time for Worthers to go. We were awful today, pretty awful against Accrington and we've been that way for months now. Worthington's had his chance. I'm not sure he's got the drive anymore, he seems to be sleep walking straight into relegation. There's no passion from him, or his players. There are no leaders on the field, there was no leadership from the bench. The players looked like they were all strangers. Set pieces were dire. I don't think Nigel Worthington needs the wages and he should walk away now with his head held high. He's not a lower league manager, I'd argue he's no longer a credible club manager. Today was an appalling spectacle and I don't see any sign at all that Mr Worthington has the quality, understanding or commitment to turn it around. PhilTopping

9:08pm Sun 29 Dec 13

openallhours says...

bill bailey wrote:
AN HONEST MAN, GIVING AN HONEST OPINION and we have to be honest and support the statement he has made, I for one still back all the those at the club , The BOARD, the MANAGER. his STAFF, and the PLAYERS, All will be well.
Very well said Bill.
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: AN HONEST MAN, GIVING AN HONEST OPINION and we have to be honest and support the statement he has made, I for one still back all the those at the club , The BOARD, the MANAGER. his STAFF, and the PLAYERS, All will be well.[/p][/quote]Very well said Bill. openallhours

9:09pm Sun 29 Dec 13

bill bailey says...

duffy wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
duffy wrote:
End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.
DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well.
You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control.
Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills.
Q, When would you do it.
Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place.
Q, What players would you bring in.
Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ?
Q,
I would give him another month and the January transfer window and if there is no improvement let him go, we can't leave it late again the way we did with Mills. Manager wise look at who is available with experience at this level at that point.
I would certainly not want to go down this loan route again, probably his biggest mistake this season.
We have the budget to stay out of trouble with decent signings in my view, by all accounts Nigel stated at a fans forum we were around 15th in the league. If that's true we should be doing better.
Duffy if you don't want to go down the loan route then leaving it another month the players will have been signed by another club and the window closed.
I think the present players are as good if not better than as any of the players discarded by clubs during the window, As for managers if they are no better than the previous four your up a gum tree,
[quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.[/p][/quote]DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well. You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control. Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills. Q, When would you do it. Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place. Q, What players would you bring in. Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ? Q,[/p][/quote]I would give him another month and the January transfer window and if there is no improvement let him go, we can't leave it late again the way we did with Mills. Manager wise look at who is available with experience at this level at that point. I would certainly not want to go down this loan route again, probably his biggest mistake this season. We have the budget to stay out of trouble with decent signings in my view, by all accounts Nigel stated at a fans forum we were around 15th in the league. If that's true we should be doing better.[/p][/quote]Duffy if you don't want to go down the loan route then leaving it another month the players will have been signed by another club and the window closed. I think the present players are as good if not better than as any of the players discarded by clubs during the window, As for managers if they are no better than the previous four your up a gum tree, bill bailey

9:55pm Sun 29 Dec 13

redbluelion says...

time this team sorted themselves out we're going down at this rate.. we need someone in fast who can sort the sorry bunch of misfits out.and give them all a big boot up the a****..get rid of worthington he don't care about this job he's only here until end of season then he walks away.
time this team sorted themselves out we're going down at this rate.. we need someone in fast who can sort the sorry bunch of misfits out.and give them all a big boot up the a****..get rid of worthington he don't care about this job he's only here until end of season then he walks away. redbluelion

10:01pm Sun 29 Dec 13

joejamestom says...

Lots of salient points made by posters & as with most I see we have some good players but lack quality & strength in depth across the squad. NW is to my thinking a transitional manager in a transitional time for the club pending a move to a new home & future. I really thought that by game 12 NW would have addressed the areas of weakness across an admittedly small squad containing several players he has no intention of starting. He has brought in a couple too many to make match day management easy.
He will get the chairmans support through Jan & Feb to sign solutions to areas of weakness but must show improvement shortly thereafter otherwise his credibility with the chairman fans & the football industry will suffer, he has a difficult job with limited resources but given the club we are currently a mid table position is deserved. & expected, over to you NW we all support our club, time to use the football brain & experience to deliver that or see a hard decision made.
C'mon city I do not want to pass Luton coming up come the end of the season.
Lots of salient points made by posters & as with most I see we have some good players but lack quality & strength in depth across the squad. NW is to my thinking a transitional manager in a transitional time for the club pending a move to a new home & future. I really thought that by game 12 NW would have addressed the areas of weakness across an admittedly small squad containing several players he has no intention of starting. He has brought in a couple too many to make match day management easy. He will get the chairmans support through Jan & Feb to sign solutions to areas of weakness but must show improvement shortly thereafter otherwise his credibility with the chairman fans & the football industry will suffer, he has a difficult job with limited resources but given the club we are currently a mid table position is deserved. & expected, over to you NW we all support our club, time to use the football brain & experience to deliver that or see a hard decision made. C'mon city I do not want to pass Luton coming up come the end of the season. joejamestom

10:10pm Sun 29 Dec 13

arsene.about.york says...

Nigel Worthington must be living on borrowed time now. I would bet that the midnight oil is being burnt at the McGills as they do their research on the next manager. I personally would get rid NOW rather than wait until he has spent what ever transfer funds we have available in the January window. That would at least give a new manager a few quid to play with.
I actually don't think that the players we have here are that bad they just lack leadership from the top. So, I would like to say, thank you Nigel for keeping us up last season but it really is time that you spent more time with your family.
Nigel Worthington must be living on borrowed time now. I would bet that the midnight oil is being burnt at the McGills as they do their research on the next manager. I personally would get rid NOW rather than wait until he has spent what ever transfer funds we have available in the January window. That would at least give a new manager a few quid to play with. I actually don't think that the players we have here are that bad they just lack leadership from the top. So, I would like to say, thank you Nigel for keeping us up last season but it really is time that you spent more time with your family. arsene.about.york

10:20pm Sun 29 Dec 13

minstermen says...

Get rid now!!!!
Get rid now!!!! minstermen

10:49pm Sun 29 Dec 13

haxbyreds says...

Very disapointed and getting worried that first half performance was awful a d bury were poor 2nd half we have just gifted them 3 points,also can not see for the life me why ingham is not in goal,terrible mistake and surely playing ingham would mean 1 less loan player and could of played brobbel,I did like the look of pope though
Very disapointed and getting worried that first half performance was awful a d bury were poor 2nd half we have just gifted them 3 points,also can not see for the life me why ingham is not in goal,terrible mistake and surely playing ingham would mean 1 less loan player and could of played brobbel,I did like the look of pope though haxbyreds

12:09am Mon 30 Dec 13

Young York says...

Worthington's problem is he is too negative, playing a defender on the wing! He would rather play safe than go for a win, hence all the draws. I also believe his man management is dire. How must young Brobbel feel, comes to the club scores goals creates chances gets player of the month and numerous MOTM awards. Then dropped for 5 other defensive loans. We need a manger who isn't afraid of attacking teams, the way we set up against Pompey and Scunthorpe was the way we need to be every week, granted we did look a bit more vulnerable but at the same time we looked dangerous and capable of winning games. Since NW has gone defensive we haven't won a game! Gutless management, Change or be changed Nigel.
Worthington's problem is he is too negative, playing a defender on the wing! He would rather play safe than go for a win, hence all the draws. I also believe his man management is dire. How must young Brobbel feel, comes to the club scores goals creates chances gets player of the month and numerous MOTM awards. Then dropped for 5 other defensive loans. We need a manger who isn't afraid of attacking teams, the way we set up against Pompey and Scunthorpe was the way we need to be every week, granted we did look a bit more vulnerable but at the same time we looked dangerous and capable of winning games. Since NW has gone defensive we haven't won a game! Gutless management, Change or be changed Nigel. Young York

11:32am Mon 30 Dec 13

CHEEZY PUFFS says...

bill bailey wrote:
duffy wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
duffy wrote: End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.
DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well. You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control. Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills. Q, When would you do it. Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place. Q, What players would you bring in. Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ? Q,
I would give him another month and the January transfer window and if there is no improvement let him go, we can't leave it late again the way we did with Mills. Manager wise look at who is available with experience at this level at that point. I would certainly not want to go down this loan route again, probably his biggest mistake this season. We have the budget to stay out of trouble with decent signings in my view, by all accounts Nigel stated at a fans forum we were around 15th in the league. If that's true we should be doing better.
Duffy if you don't want to go down the loan route then leaving it another month the players will have been signed by another club and the window closed. I think the present players are as good if not better than as any of the players discarded by clubs during the window, As for managers if they are no better than the previous four your up a gum tree,
Bill you really need to look more carefully at the results and the team perfomance over the last month or two. Your optimism is seriously mis-placed...your view of the immediate future is positively myopic.

Will a defeat against Morecambe trigger a 'all will be well' response from you?

This team were so 'up for it' they conceded after 38 second!

Bury coud have been out of sight by half time.

Yes we all want York to do well but it beggers belief that we can't appoint a manager with Div 2 credibility.

It is incredible that we can't sign plays with real passion and ambition.
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.[/p][/quote]DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well. You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control. Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills. Q, When would you do it. Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place. Q, What players would you bring in. Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ? Q,[/p][/quote]I would give him another month and the January transfer window and if there is no improvement let him go, we can't leave it late again the way we did with Mills. Manager wise look at who is available with experience at this level at that point. I would certainly not want to go down this loan route again, probably his biggest mistake this season. We have the budget to stay out of trouble with decent signings in my view, by all accounts Nigel stated at a fans forum we were around 15th in the league. If that's true we should be doing better.[/p][/quote]Duffy if you don't want to go down the loan route then leaving it another month the players will have been signed by another club and the window closed. I think the present players are as good if not better than as any of the players discarded by clubs during the window, As for managers if they are no better than the previous four your up a gum tree,[/p][/quote]Bill you really need to look more carefully at the results and the team perfomance over the last month or two. Your optimism is seriously mis-placed...your view of the immediate future is positively myopic. Will a defeat against Morecambe trigger a 'all will be well' response from you? This team were so 'up for it' they conceded after 38 second! Bury coud have been out of sight by half time. Yes we all want York to do well but it beggers belief that we can't appoint a manager with Div 2 credibility. It is incredible that we can't sign plays with real passion and ambition. CHEEZY PUFFS

11:44am Mon 30 Dec 13

Garrowby Turnoff says...

I've been saying since the end of last season NW is nothing more than a bomb disposal expert. We'll soon be at the 'red wire-black wire-red wire' scenario where it'll be fifty fifty on whether there'll be an explosion at Bootham Crescent.

Let's hope the players get the message and start putting in a shift for the sake of the club.
I've been saying since the end of last season NW is nothing more than a bomb disposal expert. We'll soon be at the 'red wire-black wire-red wire' scenario where it'll be fifty fifty on whether there'll be an explosion at Bootham Crescent. Let's hope the players get the message and start putting in a shift for the sake of the club. Garrowby Turnoff

12:16pm Mon 30 Dec 13

OLD - HEAD says...

As I was filing out of the ground at Bury I overheard a guy talking, he said - "The way that they are playing you would actually think that they wanted to see the Manager sacked". Those few words just summed up the whole afternoon for me, no passion, no leadership, we look to be a dogs breakfast of a team. Sacking the Manager doesnt always improve results, but things have certainly got to change before its too late.
As I was filing out of the ground at Bury I overheard a guy talking, he said - "The way that they are playing you would actually think that they wanted to see the Manager sacked". Those few words just summed up the whole afternoon for me, no passion, no leadership, we look to be a dogs breakfast of a team. Sacking the Manager doesnt always improve results, but things have certainly got to change before its too late. OLD - HEAD

12:22pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Peppa07 says...

Young York wrote:
Worthington's problem is he is too negative, playing a defender on the wing! He would rather play safe than go for a win, hence all the draws. I also believe his man management is dire. How must young Brobbel feel, comes to the club scores goals creates chances gets player of the month and numerous MOTM awards. Then dropped for 5 other defensive loans. We need a manger who isn't afraid of attacking teams, the way we set up against Pompey and Scunthorpe was the way we need to be every week, granted we did look a bit more vulnerable but at the same time we looked dangerous and capable of winning games. Since NW has gone defensive we haven't won a game! Gutless management, Change or be changed Nigel.
I agree 100 percent. Morecambe is the real test. If NW sets up with his usual choices he's signing his own sacking letter. FFS lets attack - we do have players who can score but not if the team is set up to play for a draw and hope for lucky breaks from hoofed balls dropping out of the sky.
Teams have to make their own luck by being adventurous, shooting on sight and getting balls whipped into the box with players there to fight for them. Brobbel, Carson and Fletcher should be first choice in every game.
[quote][p][bold]Young York[/bold] wrote: Worthington's problem is he is too negative, playing a defender on the wing! He would rather play safe than go for a win, hence all the draws. I also believe his man management is dire. How must young Brobbel feel, comes to the club scores goals creates chances gets player of the month and numerous MOTM awards. Then dropped for 5 other defensive loans. We need a manger who isn't afraid of attacking teams, the way we set up against Pompey and Scunthorpe was the way we need to be every week, granted we did look a bit more vulnerable but at the same time we looked dangerous and capable of winning games. Since NW has gone defensive we haven't won a game! Gutless management, Change or be changed Nigel.[/p][/quote]I agree 100 percent. Morecambe is the real test. If NW sets up with his usual choices he's signing his own sacking letter. FFS lets attack - we do have players who can score but not if the team is set up to play for a draw and hope for lucky breaks from hoofed balls dropping out of the sky. Teams have to make their own luck by being adventurous, shooting on sight and getting balls whipped into the box with players there to fight for them. Brobbel, Carson and Fletcher should be first choice in every game. Peppa07

12:22pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Boyer for England says...

Young York wrote:
Worthington's problem is he is too negative, playing a defender on the wing! He would rather play safe than go for a win, hence all the draws. I also believe his man management is dire. How must young Brobbel feel, comes to the club scores goals creates chances gets player of the month and numerous MOTM awards. Then dropped for 5 other defensive loans. We need a manger who isn't afraid of attacking teams, the way we set up against Pompey and Scunthorpe was the way we need to be every week, granted we did look a bit more vulnerable but at the same time we looked dangerous and capable of winning games. Since NW has gone defensive we haven't won a game! Gutless management, Change or be changed Nigel.
Very good points. We have got to look to score two or three goals every home match. If we let in a couple at least we have tried to win and we must win some home matches.
[quote][p][bold]Young York[/bold] wrote: Worthington's problem is he is too negative, playing a defender on the wing! He would rather play safe than go for a win, hence all the draws. I also believe his man management is dire. How must young Brobbel feel, comes to the club scores goals creates chances gets player of the month and numerous MOTM awards. Then dropped for 5 other defensive loans. We need a manger who isn't afraid of attacking teams, the way we set up against Pompey and Scunthorpe was the way we need to be every week, granted we did look a bit more vulnerable but at the same time we looked dangerous and capable of winning games. Since NW has gone defensive we haven't won a game! Gutless management, Change or be changed Nigel.[/p][/quote]Very good points. We have got to look to score two or three goals every home match. If we let in a couple at least we have tried to win and we must win some home matches. Boyer for England

12:40pm Mon 30 Dec 13

bill bailey says...

CHEEZY PUFFS wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
duffy wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
duffy wrote: End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.
DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well. You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control. Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills. Q, When would you do it. Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place. Q, What players would you bring in. Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ? Q,
I would give him another month and the January transfer window and if there is no improvement let him go, we can't leave it late again the way we did with Mills. Manager wise look at who is available with experience at this level at that point. I would certainly not want to go down this loan route again, probably his biggest mistake this season. We have the budget to stay out of trouble with decent signings in my view, by all accounts Nigel stated at a fans forum we were around 15th in the league. If that's true we should be doing better.
Duffy if you don't want to go down the loan route then leaving it another month the players will have been signed by another club and the window closed. I think the present players are as good if not better than as any of the players discarded by clubs during the window, As for managers if they are no better than the previous four your up a gum tree,
Bill you really need to look more carefully at the results and the team perfomance over the last month or two. Your optimism is seriously mis-placed...your view of the immediate future is positively myopic.

Will a defeat against Morecambe trigger a 'all will be well' response from you?

This team were so 'up for it' they conceded after 38 second!

Bury coud have been out of sight by half time.

Yes we all want York to do well but it beggers belief that we can't appoint a manager with Div 2 credibility.

It is incredible that we can't sign plays with real passion and ambition.
YOU WAS ONE OF MANY ON HERE THAT HAVE SUNG THE PRAISES OF THE MANAGER AND THE PLAYERS HE SIGNED. Me included. i'm not condoning the inept performance at Bury. And your last sentence sums up you inexperience in the football market. you think you can buy passion sorry chum that is something that is acquired serving the club over a long period of time.and the only managers around are those that clubs have got rid of and are playing musical chairs.the difference between you and me is im a realist you a dreamer.if you want to disprove me wrong.name me some players we could sign who are passionate about CITY, and a credible manager . .
[quote][p][bold]CHEEZY PUFFS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.[/p][/quote]DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well. You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control. Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills. Q, When would you do it. Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place. Q, What players would you bring in. Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ? Q,[/p][/quote]I would give him another month and the January transfer window and if there is no improvement let him go, we can't leave it late again the way we did with Mills. Manager wise look at who is available with experience at this level at that point. I would certainly not want to go down this loan route again, probably his biggest mistake this season. We have the budget to stay out of trouble with decent signings in my view, by all accounts Nigel stated at a fans forum we were around 15th in the league. If that's true we should be doing better.[/p][/quote]Duffy if you don't want to go down the loan route then leaving it another month the players will have been signed by another club and the window closed. I think the present players are as good if not better than as any of the players discarded by clubs during the window, As for managers if they are no better than the previous four your up a gum tree,[/p][/quote]Bill you really need to look more carefully at the results and the team perfomance over the last month or two. Your optimism is seriously mis-placed...your view of the immediate future is positively myopic. Will a defeat against Morecambe trigger a 'all will be well' response from you? This team were so 'up for it' they conceded after 38 second! Bury coud have been out of sight by half time. Yes we all want York to do well but it beggers belief that we can't appoint a manager with Div 2 credibility. It is incredible that we can't sign plays with real passion and ambition.[/p][/quote]YOU WAS ONE OF MANY ON HERE THAT HAVE SUNG THE PRAISES OF THE MANAGER AND THE PLAYERS HE SIGNED. Me included. i'm not condoning the inept performance at Bury. And your last sentence sums up you inexperience in the football market. you think you can buy passion sorry chum that is something that is acquired serving the club over a long period of time.and the only managers around are those that clubs have got rid of and are playing musical chairs.the difference between you and me is im a realist you a dreamer.if you want to disprove me wrong.name me some players we could sign who are passionate about CITY, and a credible manager . . bill bailey

12:52pm Mon 30 Dec 13

york153 says...

Sadly Worthington has had few "good days at the office" this season and little seems to suggest that will change. One dimensional, poor squad, poor acquisitions, etc

Big disappointment at someone the board have put so much trust in and with his CV we should and could expect far better. Unfortunately, sacking him probably isn't an option due to the costs involved and he is probably assured till the end of the season and his contract unless he quits before.
Sadly Worthington has had few "good days at the office" this season and little seems to suggest that will change. One dimensional, poor squad, poor acquisitions, etc Big disappointment at someone the board have put so much trust in and with his CV we should and could expect far better. Unfortunately, sacking him probably isn't an option due to the costs involved and he is probably assured till the end of the season and his contract unless he quits before. york153

1:50pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Southern Exile says...

I think he will and should be given the next 3 or 4 games, all are very winnable, if there is no improvement after that then yes we need a plan b? c? f?
I think he will and should be given the next 3 or 4 games, all are very winnable, if there is no improvement after that then yes we need a plan b? c? f? Southern Exile

1:54pm Mon 30 Dec 13

old_school_minsterman says...

NW's managerial record speaks for itself - very poor. Not the man for the job. Poor football and poor results - a change is needed and quickly.
NW's managerial record speaks for itself - very poor. Not the man for the job. Poor football and poor results - a change is needed and quickly. old_school_minsterman

2:02pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Mad for Minstermen says...

bill bailey wrote:
duffy wrote:
End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.
DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well.
You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control.
Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills.
Q, When would you do it.
Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place.
Q, What players would you bring in.
Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ?
Q,
Correct me if I'm wrong but you have no control over them Bill whether they are on the field or off it! You just write on here like everyone else, you're not the manager, coach, physio etc, in fact you are a fan end of.....ish!!
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.[/p][/quote]DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well. You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control. Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills. Q, When would you do it. Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place. Q, What players would you bring in. Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ? Q,[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong but you have no control over them Bill whether they are on the field or off it! You just write on here like everyone else, you're not the manager, coach, physio etc, in fact you are a fan end of.....ish!! Mad for Minstermen

2:15pm Mon 30 Dec 13

CHEEZY PUFFS says...

bill bailey wrote:
CHEEZY PUFFS wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
duffy wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
duffy wrote: End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.
DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well. You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control. Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills. Q, When would you do it. Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place. Q, What players would you bring in. Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ? Q,
I would give him another month and the January transfer window and if there is no improvement let him go, we can't leave it late again the way we did with Mills. Manager wise look at who is available with experience at this level at that point. I would certainly not want to go down this loan route again, probably his biggest mistake this season. We have the budget to stay out of trouble with decent signings in my view, by all accounts Nigel stated at a fans forum we were around 15th in the league. If that's true we should be doing better.
Duffy if you don't want to go down the loan route then leaving it another month the players will have been signed by another club and the window closed. I think the present players are as good if not better than as any of the players discarded by clubs during the window, As for managers if they are no better than the previous four your up a gum tree,
Bill you really need to look more carefully at the results and the team perfomance over the last month or two. Your optimism is seriously mis-placed...your view of the immediate future is positively myopic. Will a defeat against Morecambe trigger a 'all will be well' response from you? This team were so 'up for it' they conceded after 38 second! Bury coud have been out of sight by half time. Yes we all want York to do well but it beggers belief that we can't appoint a manager with Div 2 credibility. It is incredible that we can't sign plays with real passion and ambition.
YOU WAS ONE OF MANY ON HERE THAT HAVE SUNG THE PRAISES OF THE MANAGER AND THE PLAYERS HE SIGNED. Me included. i'm not condoning the inept performance at Bury. And your last sentence sums up you inexperience in the football market. you think you can buy passion sorry chum that is something that is acquired serving the club over a long period of time.and the only managers around are those that clubs have got rid of and are playing musical chairs.the difference between you and me is im a realist you a dreamer.if you want to disprove me wrong.name me some players we could sign who are passionate about CITY, and a credible manager . .
Please Bill, stop being so self-righteous, it's becoming a bit embrrassing.

Of course you can buy players who are keen to make a name for thmselves in the world of football. You know, the ones who will go that extra mile to get noticed. The ones with AMBITION.

OF COURSE YOU CAN BUY PASSIONATE PLAYERS ,IT'S CRAZY TO SUGGEST OTHERWSE.

Where exactly are the York players with any ambition? I see very few, and if the club lacks ambiion what does that say to the playes, what message do they get?

This has been going on for years, it's not anything new.

I admire NW when he gets it right, but NW getting it right seems a distant memory.

One last thing Bill, I'm not your Chum so stop being so condescending, and as for you being a realist...lets wait and see shall we?
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHEEZY PUFFS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: End of the day its a results based business regardless and the McGills are not going to risk us going down. As it stands we have not picked up enough points and if it does not improve he is gone. It's just a matter of how long he gets.[/p][/quote]DUFFY I respect what you say There are those and you have been one of them who in the past said football is a sport. you are all right, until it comes down to money then its a business, The McGILLS know that only too well. You, me, the manager, the McGills once they go on the pitch its out of our control. Q, What would you do now if you were the McGills. Q, When would you do it. Q, And if you replaced the manager who would you put in his place. Q, What players would you bring in. Business is business you have to have a plan . Whats yours ? Q,[/p][/quote]I would give him another month and the January transfer window and if there is no improvement let him go, we can't leave it late again the way we did with Mills. Manager wise look at who is available with experience at this level at that point. I would certainly not want to go down this loan route again, probably his biggest mistake this season. We have the budget to stay out of trouble with decent signings in my view, by all accounts Nigel stated at a fans forum we were around 15th in the league. If that's true we should be doing better.[/p][/quote]Duffy if you don't want to go down the loan route then leaving it another month the players will have been signed by another club and the window closed. I think the present players are as good if not better than as any of the players discarded by clubs during the window, As for managers if they are no better than the previous four your up a gum tree,[/p][/quote]Bill you really need to look more carefully at the results and the team perfomance over the last month or two. Your optimism is seriously mis-placed...your view of the immediate future is positively myopic. Will a defeat against Morecambe trigger a 'all will be well' response from you? This team were so 'up for it' they conceded after 38 second! Bury coud have been out of sight by half time. Yes we all want York to do well but it beggers belief that we can't appoint a manager with Div 2 credibility. It is incredible that we can't sign plays with real passion and ambition.[/p][/quote]YOU WAS ONE OF MANY ON HERE THAT HAVE SUNG THE PRAISES OF THE MANAGER AND THE PLAYERS HE SIGNED. Me included. i'm not condoning the inept performance at Bury. And your last sentence sums up you inexperience in the football market. you think you can buy passion sorry chum that is something that is acquired serving the club over a long period of time.and the only managers around are those that clubs have got rid of and are playing musical chairs.the difference between you and me is im a realist you a dreamer.if you want to disprove me wrong.name me some players we could sign who are passionate about CITY, and a credible manager . .[/p][/quote]Please Bill, stop being so self-righteous, it's becoming a bit embrrassing. Of course you can buy players who are keen to make a name for thmselves in the world of football. You know, the ones who will go that extra mile to get noticed. The ones with AMBITION. OF COURSE YOU CAN BUY PASSIONATE PLAYERS ,IT'S CRAZY TO SUGGEST OTHERWSE. Where exactly are the York players with any ambition? I see very few, and if the club lacks ambiion what does that say to the playes, what message do they get? This has been going on for years, it's not anything new. I admire NW when he gets it right, but NW getting it right seems a distant memory. One last thing Bill, I'm not your Chum so stop being so condescending, and as for you being a realist...lets wait and see shall we? CHEEZY PUFFS

2:46pm Mon 30 Dec 13

ian923 says...

"Couls brought some energy". That comment indicates the others didn't have any energy. Was that because of lack of managerial motivation?
"Couls brought some energy". That comment indicates the others didn't have any energy. Was that because of lack of managerial motivation? ian923

2:46pm Mon 30 Dec 13

York Manor says...

Points and results speak for themselves Im afraid, we are heading for the conference again unless it can be turned around, these players or the manager dont seem to have the ability or the interest to do it.
In Nigel we dont trust should be the call I think even if he is a member of the Bill Bailey fan club !! His managerial record speaks volumes !! his record this term is diabolical. Three more matches then hes gone unless he can turn it around, there is no passion at the club which was plainly evident on Saturday
Points and results speak for themselves Im afraid, we are heading for the conference again unless it can be turned around, these players or the manager dont seem to have the ability or the interest to do it. In Nigel we dont trust should be the call I think even if he is a member of the Bill Bailey fan club !! His managerial record speaks volumes !! his record this term is diabolical. Three more matches then hes gone unless he can turn it around, there is no passion at the club which was plainly evident on Saturday York Manor

3:36pm Mon 30 Dec 13

circuitous route dorset says...

I don't want another spell of non-league. We cannot afford it as next time will be even harder to get out, Nigel's record is not good enough. Please Jason act now.
I don't want another spell of non-league. We cannot afford it as next time will be even harder to get out, Nigel's record is not good enough. Please Jason act now. circuitous route dorset

5:35pm Mon 30 Dec 13

roobarb85 says...

Here's the thing that gets me. NW did a great job last season. By May there can't have been a YCFC fan that wasn't fully behind him.
He had pretty much a free hand in the close season to reshape the squad.
There were plenty of games in pre season to get the team playing his way.
NW also has a track record of reasonably successful management at higher levels, and presumably contacts that go with it. Everything looked good.

2013/14 started off encouragingly enough...but look at things now.

Littler passion, little plan, the team full of loanees with no long-term interest in the club, and so no long term planning for future growth of the squad.

For instance we sacked a full back who had been given professional terms - so might have made the grade, we already have 2 decent full backs in Oyebanjo and Fyfield - yet have signed at least two loan players for these positions.
Where's the squad and club development there?

I can't understand how an experienced manager with everyone and everything behind him can go from hero to (almost ) zero so soon - can anyone suggest why?

The only upside I can see is that the division is so close that 2 squeaky home wins would see us mid table and everyone will wonder what the fuss was all about.
Here's the thing that gets me. NW did a great job last season. By May there can't have been a YCFC fan that wasn't fully behind him. He had pretty much a free hand in the close season to reshape the squad. There were plenty of games in pre season to get the team playing his way. NW also has a track record of reasonably successful management at higher levels, and presumably contacts that go with it. Everything looked good. 2013/14 started off encouragingly enough...but look at things now. Littler passion, little plan, the team full of loanees with no long-term interest in the club, and so no long term planning for future growth of the squad. For instance we sacked a full back who had been given professional terms - so might have made the grade, we already have 2 decent full backs in Oyebanjo and Fyfield - yet have signed at least two loan players for these positions. Where's the squad and club development there? I can't understand how an experienced manager with everyone and everything behind him can go from hero to (almost ) zero so soon - can anyone suggest why? The only upside I can see is that the division is so close that 2 squeaky home wins would see us mid table and everyone will wonder what the fuss was all about. roobarb85

6:10pm Mon 30 Dec 13

paddymacwakey says...

having to wait for the dust to settle,i would like to weigh in with my two pennerth.me and my son travelled to bury straight from the kick off there was only one team up for it,and sadly once again it wasn't us.when was the last time Worthington went to specsavers,because he still cant see where the weaklinks are in the team.his pet davies was run ragged again,like he is nearly every game,and god help us he wants to stop while the end of the season.the midfield is non existent,get it sorted.i felt sorry for all our supporters,who were rewarded with a gutless 1st half performance.the supporters should be reimbursed with half expenses.they should have done what phil brown did at hull city a few years ago and sat the players down in the centre of the field at half time.like some posts on here says we need a strong leader on and off the field before its too late.felt sorry for fletcher who ran his socks off .we have got to get some creative midfielders in from somewhere.whitehouse and platt aren't the answers,and the jury is still out on Montrose.we just don't create enough chances for our strikers.it will be interesting to see who we sign when the transfer window opens.to say this is the worst start to the 1st half of a season since 1923 beggars belief.4 wins out out of 23,and Worthington said the other week we are going in the right direction.at least 4 points from next 2 home games or his time has come.
having to wait for the dust to settle,i would like to weigh in with my two pennerth.me and my son travelled to bury straight from the kick off there was only one team up for it,and sadly once again it wasn't us.when was the last time Worthington went to specsavers,because he still cant see where the weaklinks are in the team.his pet davies was run ragged again,like he is nearly every game,and god help us he wants to stop while the end of the season.the midfield is non existent,get it sorted.i felt sorry for all our supporters,who were rewarded with a gutless 1st half performance.the supporters should be reimbursed with half expenses.they should have done what phil brown did at hull city a few years ago and sat the players down in the centre of the field at half time.like some posts on here says we need a strong leader on and off the field before its too late.felt sorry for fletcher who ran his socks off .we have got to get some creative midfielders in from somewhere.whitehouse and platt aren't the answers,and the jury is still out on Montrose.we just don't create enough chances for our strikers.it will be interesting to see who we sign when the transfer window opens.to say this is the worst start to the 1st half of a season since 1923 beggars belief.4 wins out out of 23,and Worthington said the other week we are going in the right direction.at least 4 points from next 2 home games or his time has come. paddymacwakey

6:44pm Mon 30 Dec 13

15ronaldo says...

We are playing with 2 full backs when wingers like Puri, Coulson,Brobbel and Chambers are sat on the bench for nearly every game. We need to find a dynamic midfielder from somewhere, Adam Reed maybe that player but i still feel we need another. McGills need to be looking for an other manager like they did with Gary Mills if we continue are winless run. For the game on Wednesday if would go with McCarey -Oyebanjo,McGurk,Low
e,Davies -Brobbel,Montrose,Wh
itehouse,Carson - Javis, Bowman
We are playing with 2 full backs when wingers like Puri, Coulson,Brobbel and Chambers are sat on the bench for nearly every game. We need to find a dynamic midfielder from somewhere, Adam Reed maybe that player but i still feel we need another. McGills need to be looking for an other manager like they did with Gary Mills if we continue are winless run. For the game on Wednesday if would go with McCarey -Oyebanjo,McGurk,Low e,Davies -Brobbel,Montrose,Wh itehouse,Carson - Javis, Bowman 15ronaldo

6:48pm Mon 30 Dec 13

big boy york says...

somebody asked if any managers out there had credentials to get us out of this mess, 2 spring to mind neil warnock & peter jackson, NW changed the squad got his own players in & plenty of loanees, only trouble is we're no better off, the window opens wednesday but in all honesty who wants to come here for a relegation scrap & **** poor wages, we'll end up with kids or has beens, really worried if we go down no stadium, no club
somebody asked if any managers out there had credentials to get us out of this mess, 2 spring to mind neil warnock & peter jackson, NW changed the squad got his own players in & plenty of loanees, only trouble is we're no better off, the window opens wednesday but in all honesty who wants to come here for a relegation scrap & **** poor wages, we'll end up with kids or has beens, really worried if we go down no stadium, no club big boy york

7:22pm Mon 30 Dec 13

pip007 says...

big boy york wrote:
somebody asked if any managers out there had credentials to get us out of this mess, 2 spring to mind neil warnock & peter jackson, NW changed the squad got his own players in & plenty of loanees, only trouble is we're no better off, the window opens wednesday but in all honesty who wants to come here for a relegation scrap & **** poor wages, we'll end up with kids or has beens, really worried if we go down no stadium, no club
Warnock in a heartbeat! He'd probably be up for it. The fact that we simply cannot get any worse should be all the incentive McGill needs to replace Worthington. Did someone say this is our worst first half season since 1923? That's astonishing - we were only founded in 1922 - and should be all the evidence McGill needs to pull the trigger. In his shoes I would ask 3 simple questions: Is NW working as hard as he can? Is NW picking the team that he thinks can perform best in every match? Is NW trying everything he knows to improve our position? If the answer to each question is "Yes" I'd fire him for incompetence. If the answer to each question is "No" I'd fire him for apathy.
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: somebody asked if any managers out there had credentials to get us out of this mess, 2 spring to mind neil warnock & peter jackson, NW changed the squad got his own players in & plenty of loanees, only trouble is we're no better off, the window opens wednesday but in all honesty who wants to come here for a relegation scrap & **** poor wages, we'll end up with kids or has beens, really worried if we go down no stadium, no club[/p][/quote]Warnock in a heartbeat! He'd probably be up for it. The fact that we simply cannot get any worse should be all the incentive McGill needs to replace Worthington. Did someone say this is our worst first half season since 1923? That's astonishing - we were only founded in 1922 - and should be all the evidence McGill needs to pull the trigger. In his shoes I would ask 3 simple questions: Is NW working as hard as he can? Is NW picking the team that he thinks can perform best in every match? Is NW trying everything he knows to improve our position? If the answer to each question is "Yes" I'd fire him for incompetence. If the answer to each question is "No" I'd fire him for apathy. pip007

8:12pm Mon 30 Dec 13

referee 1 says...

roobarb85 wrote:
Here's the thing that gets me. NW did a great job last season. By May there can't have been a YCFC fan that wasn't fully behind him.
He had pretty much a free hand in the close season to reshape the squad.
There were plenty of games in pre season to get the team playing his way.
NW also has a track record of reasonably successful management at higher levels, and presumably contacts that go with it. Everything looked good.

2013/14 started off encouragingly enough...but look at things now.

Littler passion, little plan, the team full of loanees with no long-term interest in the club, and so no long term planning for future growth of the squad.

For instance we sacked a full back who had been given professional terms - so might have made the grade, we already have 2 decent full backs in Oyebanjo and Fyfield - yet have signed at least two loan players for these positions.
Where's the squad and club development there?

I can't understand how an experienced manager with everyone and everything behind him can go from hero to (almost ) zero so soon - can anyone suggest why?

The only upside I can see is that the division is so close that 2 squeaky home wins would see us mid table and everyone will wonder what the fuss was all about.
Good breakdown of situation from fellow fan. I agree with comments about fullbacks, Davies is a clone of Worthington in his playing days and that says a lot, Fyfield can be encouraged and made into a better player at the expense of a loan fullback, he has pace and can whip in a quality cross(ask Rochdale last season), Banj can do measured job also, he always makes a effort .Regards Worthington I honestly think he cannot manage players of this ability , when he came in it created a buzz for the supporters in general hoping things would push on,this I am sure got to players too and adrenlin and luck got us past the winning post more than Worthingtons tatics. His new players he recruited have not set bells ringing with the exception of Fletcher who has potential,Bowman not used to his strengths, Montys walks a disciplinary tightrope every game, whats the score with Puri ?. If we are scratching heads so must the players. Yes its a tight table and couple of wins with other results coming our way could see us mid table but at the moment I cannot see it coming on a regular basis the wins, but hey we will still be there because we are fans and its our club.
[quote][p][bold]roobarb85[/bold] wrote: Here's the thing that gets me. NW did a great job last season. By May there can't have been a YCFC fan that wasn't fully behind him. He had pretty much a free hand in the close season to reshape the squad. There were plenty of games in pre season to get the team playing his way. NW also has a track record of reasonably successful management at higher levels, and presumably contacts that go with it. Everything looked good. 2013/14 started off encouragingly enough...but look at things now. Littler passion, little plan, the team full of loanees with no long-term interest in the club, and so no long term planning for future growth of the squad. For instance we sacked a full back who had been given professional terms - so might have made the grade, we already have 2 decent full backs in Oyebanjo and Fyfield - yet have signed at least two loan players for these positions. Where's the squad and club development there? I can't understand how an experienced manager with everyone and everything behind him can go from hero to (almost ) zero so soon - can anyone suggest why? The only upside I can see is that the division is so close that 2 squeaky home wins would see us mid table and everyone will wonder what the fuss was all about.[/p][/quote]Good breakdown of situation from fellow fan. I agree with comments about fullbacks, Davies is a clone of Worthington in his playing days and that says a lot, Fyfield can be encouraged and made into a better player at the expense of a loan fullback, he has pace and can whip in a quality cross(ask Rochdale last season), Banj can do measured job also, he always makes a effort .Regards Worthington I honestly think he cannot manage players of this ability , when he came in it created a buzz for the supporters in general hoping things would push on,this I am sure got to players too and adrenlin and luck got us past the winning post more than Worthingtons tatics. His new players he recruited have not set bells ringing with the exception of Fletcher who has potential,Bowman not used to his strengths, Montys walks a disciplinary tightrope every game, whats the score with Puri ?. If we are scratching heads so must the players. Yes its a tight table and couple of wins with other results coming our way could see us mid table but at the moment I cannot see it coming on a regular basis the wins, but hey we will still be there because we are fans and its our club. referee 1

9:15pm Mon 30 Dec 13

yorkie86 says...

am i right in thinking nigel worthington is on a 12 month rolling contract? if thats the case, he probably wont be too bothered if we get relegated because he will just walk away from it all. i think he may have under-estimated this league after how well he did when he took over last season. i would like to see neil wanock as manager. the team we have are definately a mid-table team.
i listened to radio humberside and scunthorpe fans were saying they cant believe we are now 3rd from bottom after the 1st half display against them - and neither can i!!!
am i right in thinking nigel worthington is on a 12 month rolling contract? if thats the case, he probably wont be too bothered if we get relegated because he will just walk away from it all. i think he may have under-estimated this league after how well he did when he took over last season. i would like to see neil wanock as manager. the team we have are definately a mid-table team. i listened to radio humberside and scunthorpe fans were saying they cant believe we are now 3rd from bottom after the 1st half display against them - and neither can i!!! yorkie86

10:35pm Mon 30 Dec 13

DavidBu says...

Something is wrong here. City were stupendous at home when they dismantled Scunthope, but have drifted away badly since then. Something is squeezing the passion out of the players and it feels uncomfortable.
I get my next chance at Northampton. If the drift is still there then, I may join the suddenly very obvious move for rapid change.
Something is wrong here. City were stupendous at home when they dismantled Scunthope, but have drifted away badly since then. Something is squeezing the passion out of the players and it feels uncomfortable. I get my next chance at Northampton. If the drift is still there then, I may join the suddenly very obvious move for rapid change. DavidBu

7:39am Tue 31 Dec 13

Sir Alex says...

NW had found a winning combo with Carson and Brobbell on the wings, Fletch plus one in the middle (wins v Pompey and Scunny as evidence) but for some reason he tinkered with this and its not been the same since.
Needs to revert asap.
NW had found a winning combo with Carson and Brobbell on the wings, Fletch plus one in the middle (wins v Pompey and Scunny as evidence) but for some reason he tinkered with this and its not been the same since. Needs to revert asap. Sir Alex

8:34am Tue 31 Dec 13

Tug job says...

On another forum someone has questioned if the squad is capable of achieving the 30 pts still needed to retain our FL status from the 23 games left to play. Having witnessed both recent debacles it is difficult to see how this will be accomplished - no good the team only showing up for 20 minutes per game. However, we have two very winnable games coming up, so here's hoping.

This time last year we thrashed Burton 3-0 and looked a class above them, before embarking on our lengthy win-less run. During this run, some posters on here made some outrageous comments about the previous manager, questioning his integrity and even , in one case, his sexuality. I hope posters will refrain from doing the same with Mr Worthington during what remains of his tenure at the club.
On another forum someone has questioned if the squad is capable of achieving the 30 pts still needed to retain our FL status from the 23 games left to play. Having witnessed both recent debacles it is difficult to see how this will be accomplished - no good the team only showing up for 20 minutes per game. However, we have two very winnable games coming up, so here's hoping. This time last year we thrashed Burton 3-0 and looked a class above them, before embarking on our lengthy win-less run. During this run, some posters on here made some outrageous comments about the previous manager, questioning his integrity and even , in one case, his sexuality. I hope posters will refrain from doing the same with Mr Worthington during what remains of his tenure at the club. Tug job

8:53am Tue 31 Dec 13

tips says...

Sir Alex wrote:
NW had found a winning combo with Carson and Brobbell on the wings, Fletch plus one in the middle (wins v Pompey and Scunny as evidence) but for some reason he tinkered with this and its not been the same since.
Needs to revert asap.
Agree entirely and sadly Brobbel has been the one to miss out to accomodate other loan players.
Most people are now calling for the manager's head .If this was to happen then in would come another manager who has failed elsewhere..I do honestly believe NW is a good manager and he is currently slowly but surely improving the squad but results do not reflect this and we find ourselves in another dog fight.
I believe NW has struggled to sign the calibre of players we need on the budget we have and has had to bring in loan players from higher divisions.
We need permanent signings in the January window and am sure with the support of the Board this will happen.
I hope supporters continue to get behind the team and club during these difficult days and we can get some wins sooner than later.
Let us hope 2014 sees City turn the corner and progress in building a successfull team is made.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Alex[/bold] wrote: NW had found a winning combo with Carson and Brobbell on the wings, Fletch plus one in the middle (wins v Pompey and Scunny as evidence) but for some reason he tinkered with this and its not been the same since. Needs to revert asap.[/p][/quote]Agree entirely and sadly Brobbel has been the one to miss out to accomodate other loan players. Most people are now calling for the manager's head .If this was to happen then in would come another manager who has failed elsewhere..I do honestly believe NW is a good manager and he is currently slowly but surely improving the squad but results do not reflect this and we find ourselves in another dog fight. I believe NW has struggled to sign the calibre of players we need on the budget we have and has had to bring in loan players from higher divisions. We need permanent signings in the January window and am sure with the support of the Board this will happen. I hope supporters continue to get behind the team and club during these difficult days and we can get some wins sooner than later. Let us hope 2014 sees City turn the corner and progress in building a successfull team is made. tips

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