York City slip down League Two table after Bury defeat

York Press: York City slip down League Two table after Bury defeat York City slip down League Two table after Bury defeat

YORK City are without a win in 11 Sky Bet League Two matches after a 2-1 defeat at Bury.

The Minstermen paid for a poor first-half performance at Gigg Lane as they conceded twice and could have trailed by three or four goals.

Anton Forrester put the Shakers in front with a close range finish in the first minute, and Nathan Cameron added the second on 18 minutes.

Michael Coulson and Tom Platt were thrown on at half-time in place of Josh Carson and Lewis Montrose, but the visitors struggled to turn the game around.

They eventually found a way through when Coulson tapped in from close range on 73 minutes - two minutes after Lanre Oyebanjo went down in the box and was booked for diving.

City have now lost three and drawn eight since their last win - a 4-1 home success over Scunthorpe on October 29.

Today's defeat means Nigel Worthington's side slip to 22nd in the League Two table.

Bootham Crescent will now stage two games in four days as Morecambe visit on New Year's Day ahead of the home match with Dagenham & Redbridge on Saturday.

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5:07pm Sun 29 Dec 13

duffy says...

Two massive home games coming up now, I'm guessing many will now be calling for Worthington to go. I would still give him the January window and the chance to put right the mistakes in the summer. The McGills won't give him as long as Mills got though.
Two massive home games coming up now, I'm guessing many will now be calling for Worthington to go. I would still give him the January window and the chance to put right the mistakes in the summer. The McGills won't give him as long as Mills got though. duffy

5:09pm Sun 29 Dec 13

TheBurton says...

Now I really like Nigel Worthington. He's a good manager. But the last game we won was at the end of October. Should he be given until Feb when he has time to bring in new players or should the board take action.
It's one of the tough decisions in football but the position we are in, action needs to be taken to ensure league survival.
Now I really like Nigel Worthington. He's a good manager. But the last game we won was at the end of October. Should he be given until Feb when he has time to bring in new players or should the board take action. It's one of the tough decisions in football but the position we are in, action needs to be taken to ensure league survival. TheBurton

5:10pm Sun 29 Dec 13

strensall red says...

I fear for the future we need a full sort out otherwise its the shril for us
I fear for the future we need a full sort out otherwise its the shril for us strensall red

5:14pm Sun 29 Dec 13

circuitous route dorset says...

Happy birthday Circuitous - love an inept England Cricket/ York City Football team. X

As I enter my 50th year the sporting world is as it always was - sh**.

Sort it out Nige / Mr Flowers or bugger off. You've assembled a decent squad so results are purely down to your management.
Happy birthday Circuitous - love an inept England Cricket/ York City Football team. X As I enter my 50th year the sporting world is as it always was - sh**. Sort it out Nige / Mr Flowers or bugger off. You've assembled a decent squad so results are purely down to your management. circuitous route dorset

5:23pm Sun 29 Dec 13

dadster says...

Not good enough today simple as that. First half was shocking. As duffy says massive 2 home games now and we need 6 points. Like I've said before I think NW needs to be given the January window to get it sorted otherwise the McGill's will have to take action I'm afraid. It's all too much like deja vu from last season.
Not good enough today simple as that. First half was shocking. As duffy says massive 2 home games now and we need 6 points. Like I've said before I think NW needs to be given the January window to get it sorted otherwise the McGill's will have to take action I'm afraid. It's all too much like deja vu from last season. dadster

5:36pm Sun 29 Dec 13

roobarb85 says...

Was it just a year ago that YCFC fans were purring with the fabulous footy that ripped Rochdale apart at their place?

Was it just in March that "Saturday's 2-0 home defeat by Bradford was an 11th game without a win for the Minstermen, who lie 18th in the table and four points above the drop zone" was written?

and the board said

"The recent playing form, which has resulted in the team achieving only six points out of a possible 33,.............an improvement in results is essential due to our current league position."

Well, we've changed manager, backroom staff, playing style and almost the entire first team - but position and points per game are hardly altered.

Sadly I don't know what the solution is, can't think of any feasible candidates, and changing it all again would be hugely costly, but 1 point from 6 against two poor (in both senses) clubs is hugely disappointing
Was it just a year ago that YCFC fans were purring with the fabulous footy that ripped Rochdale apart at their place? Was it just in March that "Saturday's 2-0 home defeat by Bradford was an 11th game without a win for the Minstermen, who lie 18th in the table and four points above the drop zone" was written? and the board said "The recent playing form, which has resulted in the team achieving only six points out of a possible 33,.............an improvement in results is essential due to our current league position." Well, we've changed manager, backroom staff, playing style and almost the entire first team - but position and points per game are hardly altered. Sadly I don't know what the solution is, can't think of any feasible candidates, and changing it all again would be hugely costly, but 1 point from 6 against two poor (in both senses) clubs is hugely disappointing roobarb85

5:37pm Sun 29 Dec 13

YorkCityLuke says...

You're all more generous than I'm feeling. NW should be gone by this time tomorrow in my opinion, Bury were one of only 2 sides lower than us in the league, and to just roll over and submit to them is unforgivable. And is there any truth to the speculation made my Barry Parker and Chris Jones that NW wasn't even in the dugout until half time? Why should we give him the benefit of the January transfer window, when another more competant manager could use it to dig us out of this mess? Mills deserved patience for what he achieved for the club, but even he paid the price for not getting results. NW achieved far less, and has done far poorer than Millsy had by this point last season. Lets cast our nets for a manager with proven lower league experience rather than a big name with fairly poor higher league experience.
You're all more generous than I'm feeling. NW should be gone by this time tomorrow in my opinion, Bury were one of only 2 sides lower than us in the league, and to just roll over and submit to them is unforgivable. And is there any truth to the speculation made my Barry Parker and Chris Jones that NW wasn't even in the dugout until half time? Why should we give him the benefit of the January transfer window, when another more competant manager could use it to dig us out of this mess? Mills deserved patience for what he achieved for the club, but even he paid the price for not getting results. NW achieved far less, and has done far poorer than Millsy had by this point last season. Lets cast our nets for a manager with proven lower league experience rather than a big name with fairly poor higher league experience. YorkCityLuke

5:46pm Sun 29 Dec 13

circuitous route dorset says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
You're all more generous than I'm feeling. NW should be gone by this time tomorrow in my opinion, Bury were one of only 2 sides lower than us in the league, and to just roll over and submit to them is unforgivable. And is there any truth to the speculation made my Barry Parker and Chris Jones that NW wasn't even in the dugout until half time? Why should we give him the benefit of the January transfer window, when another more competant manager could use it to dig us out of this mess? Mills deserved patience for what he achieved for the club, but even he paid the price for not getting results. NW achieved far less, and has done far poorer than Millsy had by this point last season. Lets cast our nets for a manager with proven lower league experience rather than a big name with fairly poor higher league experience.
Results don't lie. Squad is surely better than 12 months ago so clearly the management isn't. Surely time to tempt John Ward home.
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: You're all more generous than I'm feeling. NW should be gone by this time tomorrow in my opinion, Bury were one of only 2 sides lower than us in the league, and to just roll over and submit to them is unforgivable. And is there any truth to the speculation made my Barry Parker and Chris Jones that NW wasn't even in the dugout until half time? Why should we give him the benefit of the January transfer window, when another more competant manager could use it to dig us out of this mess? Mills deserved patience for what he achieved for the club, but even he paid the price for not getting results. NW achieved far less, and has done far poorer than Millsy had by this point last season. Lets cast our nets for a manager with proven lower league experience rather than a big name with fairly poor higher league experience.[/p][/quote]Results don't lie. Squad is surely better than 12 months ago so clearly the management isn't. Surely time to tempt John Ward home. circuitous route dorset

5:53pm Sun 29 Dec 13

duffy says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
You're all more generous than I'm feeling. NW should be gone by this time tomorrow in my opinion, Bury were one of only 2 sides lower than us in the league, and to just roll over and submit to them is unforgivable. And is there any truth to the speculation made my Barry Parker and Chris Jones that NW wasn't even in the dugout until half time? Why should we give him the benefit of the January transfer window, when another more competant manager could use it to dig us out of this mess? Mills deserved patience for what he achieved for the club, but even he paid the price for not getting results. NW achieved far less, and has done far poorer than Millsy had by this point last season. Lets cast our nets for a manager with proven lower league experience rather than a big name with fairly poor higher league experience.
I would give him the benefit partly through cost. Another management pay off versus the risk of him signing further poor players. It's a tough one but Mills got way longer than even the end of January.
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: You're all more generous than I'm feeling. NW should be gone by this time tomorrow in my opinion, Bury were one of only 2 sides lower than us in the league, and to just roll over and submit to them is unforgivable. And is there any truth to the speculation made my Barry Parker and Chris Jones that NW wasn't even in the dugout until half time? Why should we give him the benefit of the January transfer window, when another more competant manager could use it to dig us out of this mess? Mills deserved patience for what he achieved for the club, but even he paid the price for not getting results. NW achieved far less, and has done far poorer than Millsy had by this point last season. Lets cast our nets for a manager with proven lower league experience rather than a big name with fairly poor higher league experience.[/p][/quote]I would give him the benefit partly through cost. Another management pay off versus the risk of him signing further poor players. It's a tough one but Mills got way longer than even the end of January. duffy

6:04pm Sun 29 Dec 13

livewithit says...

So - to all of you you gave me a negative score last week. I still say it is NW or £££. We should not be scrapping around for the odd point here and there. Do something NOW before it is too late. I do not want to see city back down a division.
So - to all of you you gave me a negative score last week. I still say it is NW or £££. We should not be scrapping around for the odd point here and there. Do something NOW before it is too late. I do not want to see city back down a division. livewithit

6:14pm Sun 29 Dec 13

pip007 says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
You're all more generous than I'm feeling. NW should be gone by this time tomorrow in my opinion, Bury were one of only 2 sides lower than us in the league, and to just roll over and submit to them is unforgivable. And is there any truth to the speculation made my Barry Parker and Chris Jones that NW wasn't even in the dugout until half time? Why should we give him the benefit of the January transfer window, when another more competant manager could use it to dig us out of this mess? Mills deserved patience for what he achieved for the club, but even he paid the price for not getting results. NW achieved far less, and has done far poorer than Millsy had by this point last season. Lets cast our nets for a manager with proven lower league experience rather than a big name with fairly poor higher league experience.
A good assessment of the situation all round YCL. I'd rather we didn't give Worthington the transfer window but the window is too close to opening, I fear, to get anyone else in and give them time to evaluate the squad properly and we probably can't afford to pay off Worthington. Would it be a viable option to simply put NW on gardening leave and hand the reins to Steve Torpey just to see if it might effect some change. we just need a spark from somewhere and NW doesn't seem to have it. Sad situation I must say. Doesn't seem long ago that we were all worried Nigel might be tempted away by a Championship club. Now we could only wish.
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: You're all more generous than I'm feeling. NW should be gone by this time tomorrow in my opinion, Bury were one of only 2 sides lower than us in the league, and to just roll over and submit to them is unforgivable. And is there any truth to the speculation made my Barry Parker and Chris Jones that NW wasn't even in the dugout until half time? Why should we give him the benefit of the January transfer window, when another more competant manager could use it to dig us out of this mess? Mills deserved patience for what he achieved for the club, but even he paid the price for not getting results. NW achieved far less, and has done far poorer than Millsy had by this point last season. Lets cast our nets for a manager with proven lower league experience rather than a big name with fairly poor higher league experience.[/p][/quote]A good assessment of the situation all round YCL. I'd rather we didn't give Worthington the transfer window but the window is too close to opening, I fear, to get anyone else in and give them time to evaluate the squad properly and we probably can't afford to pay off Worthington. Would it be a viable option to simply put NW on gardening leave and hand the reins to Steve Torpey just to see if it might effect some change. we just need a spark from somewhere and NW doesn't seem to have it. Sad situation I must say. Doesn't seem long ago that we were all worried Nigel might be tempted away by a Championship club. Now we could only wish. pip007

6:19pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Phil, Leeds says...

Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.
Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate. Phil, Leeds

6:22pm Sun 29 Dec 13

yorkandproud says...

circuitous route dorset wrote:
YorkCityLuke wrote:
You're all more generous than I'm feeling. NW should be gone by this time tomorrow in my opinion, Bury were one of only 2 sides lower than us in the league, and to just roll over and submit to them is unforgivable. And is there any truth to the speculation made my Barry Parker and Chris Jones that NW wasn't even in the dugout until half time? Why should we give him the benefit of the January transfer window, when another more competant manager could use it to dig us out of this mess? Mills deserved patience for what he achieved for the club, but even he paid the price for not getting results. NW achieved far less, and has done far poorer than Millsy had by this point last season. Lets cast our nets for a manager with proven lower league experience rather than a big name with fairly poor higher league experience.
Results don't lie. Squad is surely better than 12 months ago so clearly the management isn't. Surely time to tempt John Ward home.
"Tempt John Ward Home". WTF, he's from Lincoln. Was ok as a manager, but hardly a City legend.. We need the players to stand up and be counted now. Personally, I think we will be Ok. Early days. COYR.
[quote][p][bold]circuitous route dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: You're all more generous than I'm feeling. NW should be gone by this time tomorrow in my opinion, Bury were one of only 2 sides lower than us in the league, and to just roll over and submit to them is unforgivable. And is there any truth to the speculation made my Barry Parker and Chris Jones that NW wasn't even in the dugout until half time? Why should we give him the benefit of the January transfer window, when another more competant manager could use it to dig us out of this mess? Mills deserved patience for what he achieved for the club, but even he paid the price for not getting results. NW achieved far less, and has done far poorer than Millsy had by this point last season. Lets cast our nets for a manager with proven lower league experience rather than a big name with fairly poor higher league experience.[/p][/quote]Results don't lie. Squad is surely better than 12 months ago so clearly the management isn't. Surely time to tempt John Ward home.[/p][/quote]"Tempt John Ward Home". WTF, he's from Lincoln. Was ok as a manager, but hardly a City legend.. We need the players to stand up and be counted now. Personally, I think we will be Ok. Early days. COYR. yorkandproud

6:23pm Sun 29 Dec 13

pip007 says...

Phil, Leeds wrote:
Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.
Expecting luck to change is the 'gambler's fallacy'. I think McGill is too sharp a businessman to trust to luck. If he had the balls to sack Mills he surely won't hesitate to sack Worthington if he thinks it will prevent us dropping back into the Conference.
[quote][p][bold]Phil, Leeds[/bold] wrote: Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.[/p][/quote]Expecting luck to change is the 'gambler's fallacy'. I think McGill is too sharp a businessman to trust to luck. If he had the balls to sack Mills he surely won't hesitate to sack Worthington if he thinks it will prevent us dropping back into the Conference. pip007

6:24pm Sun 29 Dec 13

THETELLEROFTALES says...

This is the team that Nigel built.
It ain very good and likely to get relegated.
He will blame the budget and he probably has a point.
However he will continue to trouser the wonga whther York win or lose.

Why is it so difficult to get a manager that knows what is required in this division

Time for Jason to invest in the club and not hope that York avoid relegation for ye another season. Either this club is ambitious or it isnt and its time for the owners to decide on way or another.
This is the team that Nigel built. It ain very good and likely to get relegated. He will blame the budget and he probably has a point. However he will continue to trouser the wonga whther York win or lose. Why is it so difficult to get a manager that knows what is required in this division Time for Jason to invest in the club and not hope that York avoid relegation for ye another season. Either this club is ambitious or it isnt and its time for the owners to decide on way or another. THETELLEROFTALES

6:29pm Sun 29 Dec 13

THETELLEROFTALES says...

Phil, Leeds wrote:
Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.
The players don't give a T.O.S.S.
[quote][p][bold]Phil, Leeds[/bold] wrote: Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.[/p][/quote]The players don't give a T.O.S.S. THETELLEROFTALES

6:33pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Boyer for England says...

Phil, Leeds wrote:
Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.
I agree. There's no doubt most of the players are good enough to compete at this level. NW must go all out for at least one win from the next two home games regarding team selection. I would start with Coulson and Ingham back in goal will be a plus.
[quote][p][bold]Phil, Leeds[/bold] wrote: Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.[/p][/quote]I agree. There's no doubt most of the players are good enough to compete at this level. NW must go all out for at least one win from the next two home games regarding team selection. I would start with Coulson and Ingham back in goal will be a plus. Boyer for England

6:59pm Sun 29 Dec 13

JarrettRobinsonHughesCharlton says...

I usually get -30+ scores for pointing out Worthington's managerial eneptness. I think I'll just let the 5 points from 18 do the talking, it's a results business after all

But remember, he (Darren Huckerby and Peter Crouch) got Norwich promoted that time, and he was in charge of Northern Ireland (!) > That counts for something, right?
I usually get -30+ scores for pointing out Worthington's managerial eneptness. I think I'll just let the 5 points from 18 do the talking, it's a results business after all But remember, he (Darren Huckerby and Peter Crouch) got Norwich promoted that time, and he was in charge of Northern Ireland (!) > That counts for something, right? JarrettRobinsonHughesCharlton

7:00pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Yorkie69 says...

Having seen Brobbel play a few times I cannot understand why he isn`t a first choice. And yes, I do understand about the amount of loan players we are allowed. Put Banjo at right back and play Brobbel instead of O`Neill !
Having seen Brobbel play a few times I cannot understand why he isn`t a first choice. And yes, I do understand about the amount of loan players we are allowed. Put Banjo at right back and play Brobbel instead of O`Neill ! Yorkie69

7:00pm Sun 29 Dec 13

pip007 says...

Have we lost Brobbel? Not seen his name in the match squad recently.
Have we lost Brobbel? Not seen his name in the match squad recently. pip007

7:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

bill bailey says...

THETELLEROFTALES wrote:
Phil, Leeds wrote:
Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.
The players don't give a T.O.S.S.
I agree with you TTofT, It's difficult when your banging away every week and things go against you , referee , rub of the green, picked on by US , not wanting the ball in case I b@@@s up , when they go on the pitch they take full responsibility , we can swear , shout, boo. cheer .do what you will they kick the ball, They will need to be motivated like never before by NW i'm sure he will with the rest of the staff, The players are good enough , they have to know we are behind them , not reading on here about sacking the manager.thats not the answer, nearly 1000 went to BURY the players didn't want to loose in front of one of the best supported away clubs in the league, Its hard to take for all of us the results we are having , We all have to be as one , and show it, Come on chaps and lets be positive and show we are behind them. LETS SAY. LET IT BE A GOOD NEW YEAR AND MEAN IT.
[quote][p][bold]THETELLEROFTALES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil, Leeds[/bold] wrote: Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.[/p][/quote]The players don't give a T.O.S.S.[/p][/quote]I agree with you TTofT, It's difficult when your banging away every week and things go against you , referee , rub of the green, picked on by US , not wanting the ball in case I b@@@s up , when they go on the pitch they take full responsibility , we can swear , shout, boo. cheer .do what you will they kick the ball, They will need to be motivated like never before by NW i'm sure he will with the rest of the staff, The players are good enough , they have to know we are behind them , not reading on here about sacking the manager.thats not the answer, nearly 1000 went to BURY the players didn't want to loose in front of one of the best supported away clubs in the league, Its hard to take for all of us the results we are having , We all have to be as one , and show it, Come on chaps and lets be positive and show we are behind them. LETS SAY. LET IT BE A GOOD NEW YEAR AND MEAN IT. bill bailey

7:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Some old bloke says...

City fans were magnificent today. Surely they deserve better than this.
It looked like the players were actually trying though, especially in the second half, but just didn't have much of a clue what to do.
City fans were magnificent today. Surely they deserve better than this. It looked like the players were actually trying though, especially in the second half, but just didn't have much of a clue what to do. Some old bloke

7:12pm Sun 29 Dec 13

OLD - HEAD says...

Just arrived back home from Bury, what a huge disappointment we were today. At times especially in the first half we were "embarrasing". The usually reliable centre back pairing of McGurk and Lowe were run ragged and to be honest Bury should have won by more than 2-1. We never really threatened until we scored our goal, and after that we failed to put them under serious pressure.We just pumped aimless hgh balls into the box. Read a few postings saying that we should stick with NW. Its a good job that he couldnt hear the fans slagging him off leaving the ground. On todays display its very difficult to see us avoiding that dreaded drop back into the Conference. Magnificent away support, but those fans deserve to see a better team than the one they saw today.
Just arrived back home from Bury, what a huge disappointment we were today. At times especially in the first half we were "embarrasing". The usually reliable centre back pairing of McGurk and Lowe were run ragged and to be honest Bury should have won by more than 2-1. We never really threatened until we scored our goal, and after that we failed to put them under serious pressure.We just pumped aimless hgh balls into the box. Read a few postings saying that we should stick with NW. Its a good job that he couldnt hear the fans slagging him off leaving the ground. On todays display its very difficult to see us avoiding that dreaded drop back into the Conference. Magnificent away support, but those fans deserve to see a better team than the one they saw today. OLD - HEAD

7:38pm Sun 29 Dec 13

openallhours says...

We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.
We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability. openallhours

7:44pm Sun 29 Dec 13

legend7 says...

I think, unless we win 2 of our 3 games, it is time for worthington to go, we were in a better position when mills was sacked, and january is the best time to bring in a new manager, he has time to then shape the squad he wants. i believe the clock is ticking on worthingtons reign though.
I think, unless we win 2 of our 3 games, it is time for worthington to go, we were in a better position when mills was sacked, and january is the best time to bring in a new manager, he has time to then shape the squad he wants. i believe the clock is ticking on worthingtons reign though. legend7

7:56pm Sun 29 Dec 13

cassie10 says...

openallhours wrote:
We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.
I hope you are right. but personally i dont think it will happen,we have good players sitting on the bench who can score goals and NW does not seem to like players who score goals.
[quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.[/p][/quote]I hope you are right. but personally i dont think it will happen,we have good players sitting on the bench who can score goals and NW does not seem to like players who score goals. cassie10

8:10pm Sun 29 Dec 13

thirsky says...

It would be a mistake for Worthington to sign any new players in the window and would only add to the financial pressures at the club. If the current squad is anything to go by it is unlikely any new players would be of sufficient quality to keep us up. Even the loan players have been unable to keep us from propping the rest of the league up and they are of a better quality than anyone we are likely to attract on a permanent basis. Cant blame the players they are doing the best they can it is just they are not good enough to survive this league. Look at the kid they have just brought in, he is unproved at this level and appears as it he is as much trouble on the pitch as he is off it otherwise a club the size and quality of Peterbrough would have stook with him.
It would be a mistake for Worthington to sign any new players in the window and would only add to the financial pressures at the club. If the current squad is anything to go by it is unlikely any new players would be of sufficient quality to keep us up. Even the loan players have been unable to keep us from propping the rest of the league up and they are of a better quality than anyone we are likely to attract on a permanent basis. Cant blame the players they are doing the best they can it is just they are not good enough to survive this league. Look at the kid they have just brought in, he is unproved at this level and appears as it he is as much trouble on the pitch as he is off it otherwise a club the size and quality of Peterbrough would have stook with him. thirsky

8:17pm Sun 29 Dec 13

sixtyfourfive says...

openallhours wrote:
We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.
I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie!
[quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.[/p][/quote]I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie! sixtyfourfive

8:36pm Sun 29 Dec 13

carterjason says...

Also 4 or 5 games ago i questioned worthingtons ability and his teams performances.
In January when these loan players go we are going to be in a mess even more so than now!
For me time has run out .. this next run of 7 fixtures which included accrington and bury are all games which we can win and are crucial to our season.
Also 4 or 5 games ago i questioned worthingtons ability and his teams performances. In January when these loan players go we are going to be in a mess even more so than now! For me time has run out .. this next run of 7 fixtures which included accrington and bury are all games which we can win and are crucial to our season. carterjason

8:46pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Fergie says...

If we dont win one of the next two home games then NW has to go. Away support today was terrific and the long suffering loyal fans deserve better than the cr@p served up first half. Coulson only player to come out of that game with any credit. Midfield centre halves and goalie had a shocker. Will he keep us up? I am not so sure after that.
If we dont win one of the next two home games then NW has to go. Away support today was terrific and the long suffering loyal fans deserve better than the cr@p served up first half. Coulson only player to come out of that game with any credit. Midfield centre halves and goalie had a shocker. Will he keep us up? I am not so sure after that. Fergie

9:16pm Sun 29 Dec 13

openallhours says...

sixtyfourfive wrote:
openallhours wrote:
We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.
I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie!
The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.
[quote][p][bold]sixtyfourfive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.[/p][/quote]I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie![/p][/quote]The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins. openallhours

9:21pm Sun 29 Dec 13

referee 1 says...

Just got back from game today, have to say support from this club outstanding yet again. Bury did homework knowing Davies a liability ,he at fault both goals, getting drawn into play for first and loosing his man, then conceding a pointless foul has the ball went out of play, resulting free kick second goal.Ok yes keeper makes real donkey of it ,but nobody noticed the foul on him,refs to far from play and looks to assistant for help ,that's not coming has on this day he is about 16 and unconfident to make a decision. Yes the lads were fully commited second half and cannot be faulted for effort, Fletcher ran his socks off has did Banj, and Coulson made a impact and deserved his goal.Lowe great in air but not sure when at his feet,Whitehouse really poor today. With regards NW , don't like seeing managers get boot but better guys been sacked recently with far better records, take Brian Laws good lower league manager proven record in past.Time for NW to earn his corn 6pts in next two games nothing less.
Just got back from game today, have to say support from this club outstanding yet again. Bury did homework knowing Davies a liability ,he at fault both goals, getting drawn into play for first and loosing his man, then conceding a pointless foul has the ball went out of play, resulting free kick second goal.Ok yes keeper makes real donkey of it ,but nobody noticed the foul on him,refs to far from play and looks to assistant for help ,that's not coming has on this day he is about 16 and unconfident to make a decision. Yes the lads were fully commited second half and cannot be faulted for effort, Fletcher ran his socks off has did Banj, and Coulson made a impact and deserved his goal.Lowe great in air but not sure when at his feet,Whitehouse really poor today. With regards NW , don't like seeing managers get boot but better guys been sacked recently with far better records, take Brian Laws good lower league manager proven record in past.Time for NW to earn his corn 6pts in next two games nothing less. referee 1

9:39pm Sun 29 Dec 13

YorkCityLuke says...

openallhours wrote:
sixtyfourfive wrote:
openallhours wrote:
We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.
I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie!
The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.
So, you'll agree that if we don't get at least 5 points from the next 3 games, NW should go? No more excuses?
[quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sixtyfourfive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.[/p][/quote]I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie![/p][/quote]The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.[/p][/quote]So, you'll agree that if we don't get at least 5 points from the next 3 games, NW should go? No more excuses? YorkCityLuke

9:47pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Killieboy says...

We are due some luck undoubtedly. Look at the players individually and tell me they are worse than Davy mcdaid or the five a side wonderboy from USA/Iceland. Nigel worthington managed at a much higher level than ours with great effect and given time he will be proven correct. January's transfer window is crucial but I have nothing but faith in mr worthington and I'm sure he'll sort it out. Creative midfielder centre half and another striker and we'll be fine. As long as we stay up I'll be happy. Eight years in the wilderness cannot be turned around overnight.
We are due some luck undoubtedly. Look at the players individually and tell me they are worse than Davy mcdaid or the five a side wonderboy from USA/Iceland. Nigel worthington managed at a much higher level than ours with great effect and given time he will be proven correct. January's transfer window is crucial but I have nothing but faith in mr worthington and I'm sure he'll sort it out. Creative midfielder centre half and another striker and we'll be fine. As long as we stay up I'll be happy. Eight years in the wilderness cannot be turned around overnight. Killieboy

9:49pm Sun 29 Dec 13

openallhours says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
openallhours wrote:
sixtyfourfive wrote:
openallhours wrote:
We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.
I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie!
The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.
So, you'll agree that if we don't get at least 5 points from the next 3 games, NW should go? No more excuses?
Yes, I totally agree. Whilst we rarely see eye to eye on stuff, we're both City fans at the end of the day.
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sixtyfourfive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.[/p][/quote]I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie![/p][/quote]The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.[/p][/quote]So, you'll agree that if we don't get at least 5 points from the next 3 games, NW should go? No more excuses?[/p][/quote]Yes, I totally agree. Whilst we rarely see eye to eye on stuff, we're both City fans at the end of the day. openallhours

9:54pm Sun 29 Dec 13

YorkCityLuke says...

openallhours wrote:
YorkCityLuke wrote:
openallhours wrote:
sixtyfourfive wrote:
openallhours wrote:
We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.
I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie!
The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.
So, you'll agree that if we don't get at least 5 points from the next 3 games, NW should go? No more excuses?
Yes, I totally agree. Whilst we rarely see eye to eye on stuff, we're both City fans at the end of the day.
We are, everything else aside. I want him to succeed, as I want York City to succeed. I just don't share your faith in NW.
[quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sixtyfourfive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.[/p][/quote]I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie![/p][/quote]The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.[/p][/quote]So, you'll agree that if we don't get at least 5 points from the next 3 games, NW should go? No more excuses?[/p][/quote]Yes, I totally agree. Whilst we rarely see eye to eye on stuff, we're both City fans at the end of the day.[/p][/quote]We are, everything else aside. I want him to succeed, as I want York City to succeed. I just don't share your faith in NW. YorkCityLuke

10:05pm Sun 29 Dec 13

openallhours says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
openallhours wrote:
YorkCityLuke wrote:
openallhours wrote:
sixtyfourfive wrote:
openallhours wrote:
We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.
I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie!
The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.
So, you'll agree that if we don't get at least 5 points from the next 3 games, NW should go? No more excuses?
Yes, I totally agree. Whilst we rarely see eye to eye on stuff, we're both City fans at the end of the day.
We are, everything else aside. I want him to succeed, as I want York City to succeed. I just don't share your faith in NW.
It's more of a trust thing. We'll be starting 2014 3rd from bottom and I trust him to sort that out. Should our league position not change in the next couple of weeks then the trust may have gone. Faith can be blind where as trust is earned.
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sixtyfourfive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.[/p][/quote]I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie![/p][/quote]The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.[/p][/quote]So, you'll agree that if we don't get at least 5 points from the next 3 games, NW should go? No more excuses?[/p][/quote]Yes, I totally agree. Whilst we rarely see eye to eye on stuff, we're both City fans at the end of the day.[/p][/quote]We are, everything else aside. I want him to succeed, as I want York City to succeed. I just don't share your faith in NW.[/p][/quote]It's more of a trust thing. We'll be starting 2014 3rd from bottom and I trust him to sort that out. Should our league position not change in the next couple of weeks then the trust may have gone. Faith can be blind where as trust is earned. openallhours

11:04pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Badger43 says...

Firstly the ref has to be one of the worse we have had all year combined with one our worse first half performances, making it even more disappointing for the great away support today. I am undecided on whether Worthington should leave but once again he brought Platt on at half time and again he offered nothing and then Worthington said he had a good half, wake up and sign some decent midfield players other wise we are down. Clearly how good TY is he does not have the pace and was exposed with Davies down the left with them running at us again and again as so many teams do as they walk through midfield which means we either defend deep or you have Lowe and TY trying to step up to fill the gap. Worthington must see this so let's see who he signs in January but I fear this be Whitehouse.
Firstly the ref has to be one of the worse we have had all year combined with one our worse first half performances, making it even more disappointing for the great away support today. I am undecided on whether Worthington should leave but once again he brought Platt on at half time and again he offered nothing and then Worthington said he had a good half, wake up and sign some decent midfield players other wise we are down. Clearly how good TY is he does not have the pace and was exposed with Davies down the left with them running at us again and again as so many teams do as they walk through midfield which means we either defend deep or you have Lowe and TY trying to step up to fill the gap. Worthington must see this so let's see who he signs in January but I fear this be Whitehouse. Badger43

11:51pm Sun 29 Dec 13

pip007 says...

openallhours wrote:
sixtyfourfive wrote:
openallhours wrote:
We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.
I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie!
The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.
If you think we are due a large slice of luck you need to read a book about how probability works.
[quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sixtyfourfive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: We will win our next 4 (maybe even more) games, move up the table and the recent run will be all but a distant memory. Worthington is the best manager this club has had since Dennis Smith, and given time he will prove his ability.[/p][/quote]I don't think you are in the real world! How on earth can Worthington be "the best manager since Denis Smith" when statistics show what an inept job he is doing - results do not lie![/p][/quote]The results don't lie, but there's a long way to go yet. Also, we've not had very much luck and we're due a huge slice of it. Finally, it was always going to be a tough task for any new manager owing to the state that Mills left us in - Nigel has used the first half of the season to get to know his squad, and the corner will be turned this week with 2 home wins.[/p][/quote]If you think we are due a large slice of luck you need to read a book about how probability works. pip007

12:18am Mon 30 Dec 13

whaticeberg says...

Boyer for England wrote:
Phil, Leeds wrote:
Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.
I agree. There's no doubt most of the players are good enough to compete at this level. NW must go all out for at least one win from the next two home games regarding team selection. I would start with Coulson and Ingham back in goal will be a plus.
Ingham back in goal would be suicide,he is more wooden than Pinnochio,cannot read the game and cannot control his area .
[quote][p][bold]Boyer for England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil, Leeds[/bold] wrote: Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.[/p][/quote]I agree. There's no doubt most of the players are good enough to compete at this level. NW must go all out for at least one win from the next two home games regarding team selection. I would start with Coulson and Ingham back in goal will be a plus.[/p][/quote]Ingham back in goal would be suicide,he is more wooden than Pinnochio,cannot read the game and cannot control his area . whaticeberg

9:29am Mon 30 Dec 13

yorkielass says...

I was very heartened by the travelling support yesterday, but very disheartened by the calibre of the players. I was brought up on late 60s onwards Footie, when a tackle really was a tackle. But these days it seems players are nervous of tackling as refs are so card-happy and no-one wants to risk a yellow, or worse. And sadly the quality of referees in this league is as bad as the Conference. So when tackles are critically needed they don't happen, leaving McGurk's majestic tackle at the infamous Luton game an unfulfilled promise of things to come. Or they happen too late, in a rush of excitement that results in players being scythed down. Both sides were guilty of this yesterday. No-one wants Chopper Harris or Bremner felling, but teams need to be unafraid of making important tackles, and refs need to stop being afraid of punishing fouls in the box.

That said, I am fed up with not winning. Not that many weeks ago Big Nige was threatening expulsion from the club for those not trying. I think it's about time he got back to that mentality, and included himself. We need a team consistent in its formation and in its style of play and results. Injury apart, that is ultimately down to the manager. I don't care how well they do it at the training ground, make them do it on the pitch, that's the only place it counts.
I was very heartened by the travelling support yesterday, but very disheartened by the calibre of the players. I was brought up on late 60s onwards Footie, when a tackle really was a tackle. But these days it seems players are nervous of tackling as refs are so card-happy and no-one wants to risk a yellow, or worse. And sadly the quality of referees in this league is as bad as the Conference. So when tackles are critically needed they don't happen, leaving McGurk's majestic tackle at the infamous Luton game an unfulfilled promise of things to come. Or they happen too late, in a rush of excitement that results in players being scythed down. Both sides were guilty of this yesterday. No-one wants Chopper Harris or Bremner felling, but teams need to be unafraid of making important tackles, and refs need to stop being afraid of punishing fouls in the box. That said, I am fed up with not winning. Not that many weeks ago Big Nige was threatening expulsion from the club for those not trying. I think it's about time he got back to that mentality, and included himself. We need a team consistent in its formation and in its style of play and results. Injury apart, that is ultimately down to the manager. I don't care how well they do it at the training ground, make them do it on the pitch, that's the only place it counts. yorkielass

10:47am Mon 30 Dec 13

referee 1 says...

yorkielass wrote:
I was very heartened by the travelling support yesterday, but very disheartened by the calibre of the players. I was brought up on late 60s onwards Footie, when a tackle really was a tackle. But these days it seems players are nervous of tackling as refs are so card-happy and no-one wants to risk a yellow, or worse. And sadly the quality of referees in this league is as bad as the Conference. So when tackles are critically needed they don't happen, leaving McGurk's majestic tackle at the infamous Luton game an unfulfilled promise of things to come. Or they happen too late, in a rush of excitement that results in players being scythed down. Both sides were guilty of this yesterday. No-one wants Chopper Harris or Bremner felling, but teams need to be unafraid of making important tackles, and refs need to stop being afraid of punishing fouls in the box.

That said, I am fed up with not winning. Not that many weeks ago Big Nige was threatening expulsion from the club for those not trying. I think it's about time he got back to that mentality, and included himself. We need a team consistent in its formation and in its style of play and results. Injury apart, that is ultimately down to the manager. I don't care how well they do it at the training ground, make them do it on the pitch, that's the only place it counts.
agree with all said and spot on about Worthington ,he wants to look at himself in all of this, he looked a man short of ideas in the dugout yesterday. About the referee and this in general. Has someone involved in assessing and 20yrs experience has a match official would say the referee was lets say inconsistent has was his young assistant yesterday, and some of the officiating at times this season has been iffy, yes the art of tackling and refs using common sense has been taken away by guidelines, marking systems that puts untold pressure on match officials, rules made by people who really do not understand the game. I have noticed when a ref who is mostly referee championship games like yesterdays they have a careless attitude by picking up on the distance from where a throw is taken but allow a lot of physical parts of the game ie elbows etc, when you get a new promoted less experience ref its the other way, consistency is what is required but its difficult has its down in most part to interpretation of the laws. That dos not hide or excuse the poor team performances under NW at times nor should match officials be always blamed, I can tell you that I suspect the assessor had words yesterday at half time with the officials by something I spotted in the second half ,trust me if a referee balls up a assessor will tell him.Yes support is superb yet again ,lets get behind team Wednesday.
[quote][p][bold]yorkielass[/bold] wrote: I was very heartened by the travelling support yesterday, but very disheartened by the calibre of the players. I was brought up on late 60s onwards Footie, when a tackle really was a tackle. But these days it seems players are nervous of tackling as refs are so card-happy and no-one wants to risk a yellow, or worse. And sadly the quality of referees in this league is as bad as the Conference. So when tackles are critically needed they don't happen, leaving McGurk's majestic tackle at the infamous Luton game an unfulfilled promise of things to come. Or they happen too late, in a rush of excitement that results in players being scythed down. Both sides were guilty of this yesterday. No-one wants Chopper Harris or Bremner felling, but teams need to be unafraid of making important tackles, and refs need to stop being afraid of punishing fouls in the box. That said, I am fed up with not winning. Not that many weeks ago Big Nige was threatening expulsion from the club for those not trying. I think it's about time he got back to that mentality, and included himself. We need a team consistent in its formation and in its style of play and results. Injury apart, that is ultimately down to the manager. I don't care how well they do it at the training ground, make them do it on the pitch, that's the only place it counts.[/p][/quote]agree with all said and spot on about Worthington ,he wants to look at himself in all of this, he looked a man short of ideas in the dugout yesterday. About the referee and this in general. Has someone involved in assessing and 20yrs experience has a match official would say the referee was lets say inconsistent has was his young assistant yesterday, and some of the officiating at times this season has been iffy, yes the art of tackling and refs using common sense has been taken away by guidelines, marking systems that puts untold pressure on match officials, rules made by people who really do not understand the game. I have noticed when a ref who is mostly referee championship games like yesterdays they have a careless attitude by picking up on the distance from where a throw is taken but allow a lot of physical parts of the game ie elbows etc, when you get a new promoted less experience ref its the other way, consistency is what is required but its difficult has its down in most part to interpretation of the laws. That dos not hide or excuse the poor team performances under NW at times nor should match officials be always blamed, I can tell you that I suspect the assessor had words yesterday at half time with the officials by something I spotted in the second half ,trust me if a referee balls up a assessor will tell him.Yes support is superb yet again ,lets get behind team Wednesday. referee 1

11:19am Mon 30 Dec 13

CHEEZY PUFFS says...

bill bailey wrote:
THETELLEROFTALES wrote:
Phil, Leeds wrote: Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.
The players don't give a T.O.S.S.
I agree with you TTofT, It's difficult when your banging away every week and things go against you , referee , rub of the green, picked on by US , not wanting the ball in case I b@@@s up , when they go on the pitch they take full responsibility , we can swear , shout, boo. cheer .do what you will they kick the ball, They will need to be motivated like never before by NW i'm sure he will with the rest of the staff, The players are good enough , they have to know we are behind them , not reading on here about sacking the manager.thats not the answer, nearly 1000 went to BURY the players didn't want to loose in front of one of the best supported away clubs in the league, Its hard to take for all of us the results we are having , We all have to be as one , and show it, Come on chaps and lets be positive and show we are behind them. LETS SAY. LET IT BE A GOOD NEW YEAR AND MEAN IT.
Oh come on Bill...get a reality check.

This team was so 'up for it' that they conceded in 33 seconds.

So much for training on Chritmas Day.

There is little or no appetite for success in this team or, it has to be said, in the club as a whole.

Massive disappointment for the fans who deserve better.

Of course all fans want York to do well...but do the board of Directors?

With all this talk of a new stadium it's become a case of 'jam tomorrow.'
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THETELLEROFTALES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil, Leeds[/bold] wrote: Not sure sacking the manager right now is the right thing to do. No doubt that in several of those 11 games without a win we could and should have won but we have lacked a little in the luck department and suffered more than expected at the hands of poor officials. But now's the time for the players, yes the PLAYERS, to step up to the plate.[/p][/quote]The players don't give a T.O.S.S.[/p][/quote]I agree with you TTofT, It's difficult when your banging away every week and things go against you , referee , rub of the green, picked on by US , not wanting the ball in case I b@@@s up , when they go on the pitch they take full responsibility , we can swear , shout, boo. cheer .do what you will they kick the ball, They will need to be motivated like never before by NW i'm sure he will with the rest of the staff, The players are good enough , they have to know we are behind them , not reading on here about sacking the manager.thats not the answer, nearly 1000 went to BURY the players didn't want to loose in front of one of the best supported away clubs in the league, Its hard to take for all of us the results we are having , We all have to be as one , and show it, Come on chaps and lets be positive and show we are behind them. LETS SAY. LET IT BE A GOOD NEW YEAR AND MEAN IT.[/p][/quote]Oh come on Bill...get a reality check. This team was so 'up for it' that they conceded in 33 seconds. So much for training on Chritmas Day. There is little or no appetite for success in this team or, it has to be said, in the club as a whole. Massive disappointment for the fans who deserve better. Of course all fans want York to do well...but do the board of Directors? With all this talk of a new stadium it's become a case of 'jam tomorrow.' CHEEZY PUFFS

12:52pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Phil, Leeds says...

referee 1 wrote:
Just got back from game today, have to say support from this club outstanding yet again. Bury did homework knowing Davies a liability ,he at fault both goals, getting drawn into play for first and loosing his man, then conceding a pointless foul has the ball went out of play, resulting free kick second goal.Ok yes keeper makes real donkey of it ,but nobody noticed the foul on him,refs to far from play and looks to assistant for help ,that's not coming has on this day he is about 16 and unconfident to make a decision. Yes the lads were fully commited second half and cannot be faulted for effort, Fletcher ran his socks off has did Banj, and Coulson made a impact and deserved his goal.Lowe great in air but not sure when at his feet,Whitehouse really poor today. With regards NW , don't like seeing managers get boot but better guys been sacked recently with far better records, take Brian Laws good lower league manager proven record in past.Time for NW to earn his corn 6pts in next two games nothing less.
Ref, the lads should have been fully committed for the whole game, not just 45 minutes - that's the problem.
[quote][p][bold]referee 1[/bold] wrote: Just got back from game today, have to say support from this club outstanding yet again. Bury did homework knowing Davies a liability ,he at fault both goals, getting drawn into play for first and loosing his man, then conceding a pointless foul has the ball went out of play, resulting free kick second goal.Ok yes keeper makes real donkey of it ,but nobody noticed the foul on him,refs to far from play and looks to assistant for help ,that's not coming has on this day he is about 16 and unconfident to make a decision. Yes the lads were fully commited second half and cannot be faulted for effort, Fletcher ran his socks off has did Banj, and Coulson made a impact and deserved his goal.Lowe great in air but not sure when at his feet,Whitehouse really poor today. With regards NW , don't like seeing managers get boot but better guys been sacked recently with far better records, take Brian Laws good lower league manager proven record in past.Time for NW to earn his corn 6pts in next two games nothing less.[/p][/quote]Ref, the lads should have been fully committed for the whole game, not just 45 minutes - that's the problem. Phil, Leeds

2:53pm Mon 30 Dec 13

referee 1 says...

Phil, Leeds wrote:
referee 1 wrote:
Just got back from game today, have to say support from this club outstanding yet again. Bury did homework knowing Davies a liability ,he at fault both goals, getting drawn into play for first and loosing his man, then conceding a pointless foul has the ball went out of play, resulting free kick second goal.Ok yes keeper makes real donkey of it ,but nobody noticed the foul on him,refs to far from play and looks to assistant for help ,that's not coming has on this day he is about 16 and unconfident to make a decision. Yes the lads were fully commited second half and cannot be faulted for effort, Fletcher ran his socks off has did Banj, and Coulson made a impact and deserved his goal.Lowe great in air but not sure when at his feet,Whitehouse really poor today. With regards NW , don't like seeing managers get boot but better guys been sacked recently with far better records, take Brian Laws good lower league manager proven record in past.Time for NW to earn his corn 6pts in next two games nothing less.
Ref, the lads should have been fully committed for the whole game, not just 45 minutes - that's the problem.
Fair point Phil I accept that should be fully commited 90 plus minutes, however this did not happen yesterday till 2nd half that's why made comment refer to that.Frustrating is it not.
[quote][p][bold]Phil, Leeds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]referee 1[/bold] wrote: Just got back from game today, have to say support from this club outstanding yet again. Bury did homework knowing Davies a liability ,he at fault both goals, getting drawn into play for first and loosing his man, then conceding a pointless foul has the ball went out of play, resulting free kick second goal.Ok yes keeper makes real donkey of it ,but nobody noticed the foul on him,refs to far from play and looks to assistant for help ,that's not coming has on this day he is about 16 and unconfident to make a decision. Yes the lads were fully commited second half and cannot be faulted for effort, Fletcher ran his socks off has did Banj, and Coulson made a impact and deserved his goal.Lowe great in air but not sure when at his feet,Whitehouse really poor today. With regards NW , don't like seeing managers get boot but better guys been sacked recently with far better records, take Brian Laws good lower league manager proven record in past.Time for NW to earn his corn 6pts in next two games nothing less.[/p][/quote]Ref, the lads should have been fully committed for the whole game, not just 45 minutes - that's the problem.[/p][/quote]Fair point Phil I accept that should be fully commited 90 plus minutes, however this did not happen yesterday till 2nd half that's why made comment refer to that.Frustrating is it not. referee 1

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