York City slip deeper into mire with 2-0 home defeat by Port Vale (From York Press)

duffy wrote:
An excellent post match interview from Worthington. Summed up everything I watched out there today.

YorkCityLoyal wrote:
What did he say Duffy?

Wembley2012 wrote:
I don't see interviews like that as helpful. He needs to feed confidence into the players. I think it's a big mistake changing managers these players are not equipped to play his long ball style. I firmly believe Mills would have kept us up. He was at least positive and had the club at heart and had us playing the correct way. I am not convinced Worthington is here for the right reasons a quick pay day for him. Hope I am wrong and I hope he keeps us up but I am not impressed so far.

beckylaner wrote:
My heart says that I want to see York City prosper. My business experience tells me to realise your assets now and get out. This is a failing business. The revenue costs are not worth the trouble.
It's likely York City FC will cease to exist. That's life. A badly-run company will go bust in the end. Wave goodbye now.

Dortmun wrote:
Its time to splash the cash, we need to bring in loan players to keep us in the league regardless of cost. Yes I know we already have players in on loan that we are paying wages for but they are not doing the Job and I know we are limited on the number we can play, But wouldn't It be better to have to pay them but not play them and Instead spend more on players who will keep us In the league.
Thanks for getting us back In the league GM. But unless we do something drastic It will be thanks to you for taking us straight back down because of the players you have left us with.

YorkCityLuke wrote:

Dortmun wrote:
Its time to splash the cash, we need to bring in loan players to keep us in the league regardless of cost. Yes I know we already have players in on loan that we are paying wages for but they are not doing the Job and I know we are limited on the number we can play, But wouldn't It be better to have to pay them but not play them and Instead spend more on players who will keep us In the league.
Thanks for getting us back In the league GM. But unless we do something drastic It will be thanks to you for taking us straight back down because of the players you have left us with.

Nothing to do with Mills anymore. For all we know he might have won the last 3 games. We need to NW to improve, not have excuses made for him - and the manager and players need our vocal support until the end of the season more than anything.

Dortmun wrote:

YorkCityLuke wrote:

Dortmun wrote:
Its time to splash the cash, we need to bring in loan players to keep us in the league regardless of cost. Yes I know we already have players in on loan that we are paying wages for but they are not doing the Job and I know we are limited on the number we can play, But wouldn't It be better to have to pay them but not play them and Instead spend more on players who will keep us In the league.
Thanks for getting us back In the league GM. But unless we do something drastic It will be thanks to you for taking us straight back down because of the players you have left us with.

Nothing to do with Mills anymore. For all we know he might have won the last 3 games. We need to NW to improve, not have excuses made for him - and the manager and players need our vocal support until the end of the season more than anything.

Thought we replace GM with a manager not a magician!!!!

beckylaner wrote:
My heart says that I want to see York City prosper. My business experience tells me to realise your assets now and get out. This is a failing business. The revenue costs are not worth the trouble.
It's likely York City FC will cease to exist. That's life. A badly-run company will go bust in the end. Wave goodbye now.

YorkCityLuke wrote:

Dortmun wrote:
Its time to splash the cash, we need to bring in loan players to keep us in the league regardless of cost. Yes I know we already have players in on loan that we are paying wages for but they are not doing the Job and I know we are limited on the number we can play, But wouldn't It be better to have to pay them but not play them and Instead spend more on players who will keep us In the league.
Thanks for getting us back In the league GM. But unless we do something drastic It will be thanks to you for taking us straight back down because of the players you have left us with.

Nothing to do with Mills anymore. For all we know he might have won the last 3 games. We need to NW to improve, not have excuses made for him - and the manager and players need our vocal support until the end of the season more than anything.

CaroleBaines wrote:

beckylaner wrote:
My heart says that I want to see York City prosper. My business experience tells me to realise your assets now and get out. This is a failing business. The revenue costs are not worth the trouble.
It's likely York City FC will cease to exist. That's life. A badly-run company will go bust in the end. Wave goodbye now.

Goodness sake man, over 50 of the 92 football league clubs have been in administration. If we all thought like you there would be hardly any football in this country. More to life than commercialism, or there is for most of us.

beckylaner wrote:
My heart says that I want to see York City prosper. My business experience tells me to realise your assets now and get out. This is a failing business. The revenue costs are not worth the trouble.
It's likely York City FC will cease to exist. That's life. A badly-run company will go bust in the end. Wave goodbye now.

duffy wrote:

Wembley2012 wrote:
I don't see interviews like that as helpful. He needs to feed confidence into the players. I think it's a big mistake changing managers these players are not equipped to play his long ball style. I firmly believe Mills would have kept us up. He was at least positive and had the club at heart and had us playing the correct way. I am not convinced Worthington is here for the right reasons a quick pay day for him. Hope I am wrong and I hope he keeps us up but I am not impressed so far.

Again a belief based more on faith than reality. The results since January under Mills were relegation material and only the style of was better on the eye. In reality Mills should probably have gone sooner to allow Worthington more time to bring players in.

sixtyfourfive wrote:
Interestingly Chris Jones expressed the view that he is surprised at Worthington's hoof ball tactics although not believing the squad good enough. Around the start of the year however (c last win) he was still talking of play offs - it is the same squad as Barrie Parker reminded him that has produced some good football this season. Only 2 and a bit weeks ago I witnessed an excellent footballing display at Rotherham- I despair of seeing that repeated with Worthington in charge - the last 2 home displays have been atrocious and we are going backwards. Although a big fan of the Mcgills I believe a huge mistake was made in sacking Mills and that he would have kept us up. Worthington does not fill me any confidence whatsoever - either with his style of football or his in my view morale damaging post match comments . I am puzzled why he is here and can' t see him here for the duration. Having said that fingers crossed.

openallhours wrote:
It's an absolute disgrace to suggest that Mills would do any better - his management put us in this position in the first place. Mark my words, Nigel will get us out of this mess.

sixtyfourfive wrote:
Interestingly Chris Jones expressed the view that he is surprised at Worthington's hoof ball tactics although not believing the squad good enough. Around the start of the year however (c last win) he was still talking of play offs - it is the same squad as Barrie Parker reminded him that has produced some good football this season. Only 2 and a bit weeks ago I witnessed an excellent footballing display at Rotherham- I despair of seeing that repeated with Worthington in charge - the last 2 home displays have been atrocious and we are going backwards. Although a big fan of the Mcgills I believe a huge mistake was made in sacking Mills and that he would have kept us up. Worthington does not fill me any confidence whatsoever - either with his style of football or his in my view morale damaging post match comments . I am puzzled why he is here and can' t see him here for the duration. Having said that fingers crossed.

PhilR@Strike wrote:

Dortmun wrote:

YorkCityLuke wrote:

Dortmun wrote:
Its time to splash the cash, we need to bring in loan players to keep us in the league regardless of cost. Yes I know we already have players in on loan that we are paying wages for but they are not doing the Job and I know we are limited on the number we can play, But wouldn't It be better to have to pay them but not play them and Instead spend more on players who will keep us In the league.
Thanks for getting us back In the league GM. But unless we do something drastic It will be thanks to you for taking us straight back down because of the players you have left us with.

Nothing to do with Mills anymore. For all we know he might have won the last 3 games. We need to NW to improve, not have excuses made for him - and the manager and players need our vocal support until the end of the season more than anything.

Thought we replace GM with a manager not a magician!!!!

"For all we know he might have won the last 3 games". You my "deluded friend" are having a laugh!!!
Mills to actually win three games, after what we've had to put up with this year under Mills?

pip007 wrote:
Can we get Michael Owen on loan till end of season? He's doing now't on that Stoke bench.

YO1 wrote:

duffy wrote:

Wembley2012 wrote:
I don't see interviews like that as helpful. He needs to feed confidence into the players. I think it's a big mistake changing managers these players are not equipped to play his long ball style. I firmly believe Mills would have kept us up. He was at least positive and had the club at heart and had us playing the correct way. I am not convinced Worthington is here for the right reasons a quick pay day for him. Hope I am wrong and I hope he keeps us up but I am not impressed so far.

Again a belief based more on faith than reality. The results since January under Mills were relegation material and only the style of was better on the eye. In reality Mills should probably have gone sooner to allow Worthington more time to bring players in.

Oh come on! This same group of players outplayed Rotherham only and held their own for the majority of the season. Even against Bradford and Morcambe they were the better team for the first two thirds of the game.

Worthington states the obvious in his post match interview, blaming the players. The truth is, the team have gone backwards in the last three games under his managemeny. In fact they look awful and relegation is now the most likely outcome. Devoid of tactics, long ball rubbish in the last three games. We weren't the worst team in the league under Mills but we are now.

Why tell the players they are not good enough live on radio? He has to get the best out of these players in the last seven games and if I managed my staff like that, they wouldn't perform to the best of their ability or have loyalty to the organisation. Very poor management and youve been found out tactically. Welcome to reality Nigel, this is lower league football, get it sorted quickly or take some responsibility for the rapid decline under your stewardship.

YO1 wrote:

openallhours wrote:
It's an absolute disgrace to suggest that Mills would do any better - his management put us in this position in the first place. Mark my words, Nigel will get us out of this mess.

What evidence do you have for this belief? Three games, one point, absolutely awful long ball football. You have been found out and so has Worthington. That was appalling again today and only a complete idiot like you could defend it.

openallhours wrote:

YO1 wrote:

openallhours wrote:
It's an absolute disgrace to suggest that Mills would do any better - his management put us in this position in the first place. Mark my words, Nigel will get us out of this mess.

What evidence do you have for this belief? Three games, one point, absolutely awful long ball football. You have been found out and so has Worthington. That was appalling again today and only a complete idiot like you could defend it.

Thanks for the insult YO1 out of 10.

Your brain damage clearly prevents you from understanding that any new manager will need time to unravel the mess left behind by Mills the magician.

We won't go down, but if we did the blame would be squarely on Mills and his terrible league record, coaching appointments and players signed.

openallhours wrote:

YO1 wrote:

openallhours wrote:
It's an absolute disgrace to suggest that Mills would do any better - his management put us in this position in the first place. Mark my words, Nigel will get us out of this mess.

What evidence do you have for this belief? Three games, one point, absolutely awful long ball football. You have been found out and so has Worthington. That was appalling again today and only a complete idiot like you could defend it.

Thanks for the insult YO1 out of 10.

Your brain damage clearly prevents you from understanding that any new manager will need time to unravel the mess left behind by Mills the magician.

We won't go down, but if we did the blame would be squarely on Mills and his terrible league record, coaching appointments and players signed.

openallhours wrote:

YO1 wrote:

openallhours wrote:
It's an absolute disgrace to suggest that Mills would do any better - his management put us in this position in the first place. Mark my words, Nigel will get us out of this mess.

What evidence do you have for this belief? Three games, one point, absolutely awful long ball football. You have been found out and so has Worthington. That was appalling again today and only a complete idiot like you could defend it.

Thanks for the insult YO1 out of 10.

Your brain damage clearly prevents you from understanding that any new manager will need time to unravel the mess left behind by Mills the magician.

We won't go down, but if we did the blame would be squarely on Mills and his terrible league record, coaching appointments and players signed.

duffy wrote:
Well a day down the line and as it stands I think we're going back down. It's just very difficult to see where the wins are going to come from looking at each area within the team. The defence is all over the place in just about every game, there maybe some hope there if we can get McGurk and Oyebanjo back but Fyfield has probably finally played his last game. In midfield Kerr is not half the player he was last season and the likes of Blair just looks out of his depth, he can't best a man nine time out of ten at this level. Up front we have absolutely nothing, Rankine who was no more than a panic signing can go back along with Rodman and Walker is another conference level striker. I don't think there is a lack of effort just quality. We might as well just give the likes of Platt, Coulson if fit, McReady, Potts a shot frankly as it can't get any better. It's pointless getting on Worthingtons and the boards back now because its done and we have to try and stick together to try and avoid the horrible consequences of relegation. I'm just struggling to feel optimistic just now.

OLD - HEAD wrote:
The majority of people who contribute to this forum did not want to see City sack Gary Mills so late in the season. It would be a huge gamble as any new manager would have to work with the same group of players. But Jason McGill took that gamble and to be honest it was generally accepted as the right thing to do. Unfortunately after three games under our new leadership we have only picked up one point, but worst of all we are now playing like relegation fodder. So it is very difficult to visualise how it can get any better. The likes of Doig and Potts will have to be given a chance, and hopefully Oyebanjo will be fit soon. Sorry but loan players dont always convince me that they are willing to bust a gut in a relegation battle. To have any chance of survival the matches against Torquay, Plymouth and Accrington are now "MUST WIN" matches. While I resisted calling for Gary Mills to be sacked, I do honestly believe that it was his poor quality transfer dealings that have got us into this mess in the first place. Good luck to Nigel Worthington and his players for the final eight games.

Phil, Leeds wrote:
Let's be clear about one thing - we are in this mess because of Gary Mills. No win in 14 and 11 of those under Mills. NW has inherited a bunch of players collectively not good enough for League 2. There are so many parallels to 2003/04 with far too many sub-standard couldn't give a **** loan players and others coming to the end of their contracts. I guess Worthington didn't have a clue that what he was inheriting was quite so dire. Yesterday was so depressing and the stench of relegation was in the air. Let's hope we'll never see the abysmal Walker or Calamity Fyfield in a York shirt ever again. Poor old Dan Parslow is a half decent centre half but no full back and needs to play in his best position - he's the best header of a ball at the Club. If McGurk is fit he needs to come back in to pair with Parslow. Banjo at right back and O'Connell left back. Carson was brought in to add creativity and would be wasted as a full back.
I believe NW will bring in at least 2 more loan players this week and at least one of them needs to be a striker. As I've said before try Smith up front, at least he'll put his head where it might hurt. And Matty Blair needs to come back in - one of the few players with any passion. But it really is time for all players to man up now, yesterday it really was men against boys. We only want those players who'll run through the wall for these final 7 games, not wasters going through the motions, and the manager is closer to knowing who they are now.

openallhours wrote:

Phil, Leeds wrote:
Let's be clear about one thing - we are in this mess because of Gary Mills. No win in 14 and 11 of those under Mills. NW has inherited a bunch of players collectively not good enough for League 2. There are so many parallels to 2003/04 with far too many sub-standard couldn't give a **** loan players and others coming to the end of their contracts. I guess Worthington didn't have a clue that what he was inheriting was quite so dire. Yesterday was so depressing and the stench of relegation was in the air. Let's hope we'll never see the abysmal Walker or Calamity Fyfield in a York shirt ever again. Poor old Dan Parslow is a half decent centre half but no full back and needs to play in his best position - he's the best header of a ball at the Club. If McGurk is fit he needs to come back in to pair with Parslow. Banjo at right back and O'Connell left back. Carson was brought in to add creativity and would be wasted as a full back.
I believe NW will bring in at least 2 more loan players this week and at least one of them needs to be a striker. As I've said before try Smith up front, at least he'll put his head where it might hurt. And Matty Blair needs to come back in - one of the few players with any passion. But it really is time for all players to man up now, yesterday it really was men against boys. We only want those players who'll run through the wall for these final 7 games, not wasters going through the motions, and the manager is closer to knowing who they are now.

Agreed, but Walker and Fyfield can be decent players if played in their correct positions in an effective system.

Sir Alex wrote:
On that heavy pitch it was never going to be easy with our bunch of players against the Vale. Our hope is that the pitches dry out and we get chance to run at teams. Their number 9 was dangerous and DP showed he is no full back. Get Banjo back, Coulson back hopefully and a new experienced striker on loan then we have a chance. I would have played Doig yesterday. We may need to put O'Connell to leftback. MI saved us from nil four.
Lose at Torquay and its curtains I fear
See Gash,Pilkington, Blinkhorn and Boyes were all on target yesterday.Typical!.
C'mon lads its in our hands and we can do it with hard graft!!

EcclesMustScore wrote:
A drama has become a crisis. The panic that brought about the sacking of Gary Mills has precipitated a deterioration that now looks like sending us down. How we will crave GM's return when we are back in the conference. How sickening it will be when GM, perhaps as Luton's new manager, gains promotion at our expense and reminds us of the kind of football we're missing.
I wonder if Jason McGill reads the postings on this site and how influential the ill informed vitriol aimed at GM was in bringing about the end of his tenure.
Yes, Mills failed to strengthen the squad but, looking at the signings he made, I believe he was either unlucky with injuries (Coulson etc), entitled to think that players would perform better (J Smith, Bullock), hamstrung by finances (hence no free scoring striker) or wrong (but no manager has a 100% sucess rate with transfers; Djemba Djemba anyone?).
Worthington took over a squad of players low on confidence but still capable of competing. Since then he has undermined confidence by advocating hoof ball (i.e. I don't trust you to pass it) and publicly criticising the players (has this approach ever improved confidence/results?)

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The Mills-haters got everything they wanted and we are considerably worse off. Based on current tactics/ form/ atmosphere within the club, there is no evidence to suggest that we will stay up. Disenchanted, out of contract players (who were good enough to get us out of the conference) will look elsewhere and Nigel 'blind faith' Worthington will be long gone.

minstermonster wrote:
I know it sounds desperate, but it is desperate times needing desperate measures.
It is not the way, but we need a striker, on loan, and if possible a big name striker, perhaps somebody coming towards the end of their premiership career, along with a crafty midfielder.
it is amazing what a NAMED player can do for a club, in respect to morale, and of course knowledge.It gives the supporters a buzz, and im sure would give the players a buzz. I see Michael Owen has been mentioned on here, can you imagine the lift that would give the club, and everybody involved with York City, it would certainly get the place buzzing. Now im not suggesting we will see Owen at the Crescent, but this is the sort of thing we need to do, with NWs contact, surely he could conjure up something from somewhere.
Usually a new manager brings belief, and a fresh impetus to the club, ( John Ward , ) Bristol Rovers, typifies this point 100%,.And indeed a big name player USUALLY, does the same thing.
We need something to rekindle the Bootham fire, something to get everybody talking, about York City in a positive way, and not about how the slide towards the conference gathers momentum.