York City manager stands by 4-3-3 system in wake of Barnet loss (From York Press)

CityRealist wrote:
Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.

YoRkIe59 wrote:
most people would agree with Dave 77 we dont want mills out just for him to see sense and try something different when its plainly not working big time at the moment.but i cant believe even he would come out and say im going to carry on just as it is or find someone else.please please may we have that in writing by way of a resignation then Gary so the club dont have to pay you off with money you know damm well we cant afford,and get someone else in before its too late.we are not scoring in abundance,understate

ment of the season,but when did we ever score in abundance at home using 4 3 3.Talk about putting the chairman on the spot tho wow.

Mad for Minstermen wrote:
Time for the happy clappers to eat some humble pie. Millsy admits his own downfall. It's 4 3 3 or bust and at this moment in time it's looks like ....!

iandwightbenton wrote:
Sorry but we didn't get promoted for being the best team in the conference, we had a good run got in playoffs and won the playoff lottery.

Now we are struggling and have scored 5 in 8 games - 1 a pen and 1 direct from a corner.

So 3 goals from open play in 8 games yet our problem is our defending ?????

We need to score goals, our wingers are not in form so we need to get another striker up top with Rankine.

paintitred wrote:
Its far too late in the season to be changing managers, its a case of the better the devil you know.A new manager will be at least 2 weeks away if Gary was sacked today and then another 3 weeks to settle in and phase in his style of play and management by then the season will be over.

i think we will pick up and come through this spell we are having,its seems dark at the moment thats because we all know too well what non-league is like and panic is setting in.
But now is not the time to turn on the club. players and manager.
Now is the time unite and play your/our part in this fight we find our clubs in.

a dived club could well see a return to the blue square and we dont want that.

we may not like what we are been served but now is not the time to be stamping our little feet and spit vile at the club now is the time to be proud, remember them 8 days in may last year when the club needed you, Well it needs you even more now.

show a united force we are York City

COME ON CITY !!

Southern Exile wrote:

CityRealist wrote: Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.

So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club? Thought not...

CityRealist wrote:

Southern Exile wrote:

CityRealist wrote: Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.

So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club? Thought not...

Of course not, but I'm happy to trust his judgement, he's got it right far more times than he's got it wrong. I don't think survival of the club is in question - we're having a tricky patch obviously but I'm certain they'll turn it round - if we finish one point above relegation that's job done this year. All that said, football is all about opinions, so I respect those who think he should change to 442 but it's clear from his time at City he will stick to what he believes works, so the fans energy would be better spent getting behind the team.

CityRealist wrote:

Southern Exile wrote:

CityRealist wrote: Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.

So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club? Thought not...

Of course not, but I'm happy to trust his judgement, he's got it right far more times than he's got it wrong. I don't think survival of the club is in question - we're having a tricky patch obviously but I'm certain they'll turn it round - if we finish one point above relegation that's job done this year. All that said, football is all about opinions, so I respect those who think he should change to 442 but it's clear from his time at City he will stick to what he believes works, so the fans energy would be better spent getting behind the team.

THETELLEROFTALES wrote:
Been a supporter of Mills so far but if this is an accurate report then... 'Your avin a larf Gary' at the expense of the Chairman, the Board and the Suporters. and that is not a very nice thing to do to anyone. Can all the fans be wrong all the time?

TerryYork wrote:
So he's told his boss he's sticking with a failing system or else he has to fire him. You'd never get away with that in any line of work, so he should be no different. I was backing him all the way until I read this article. Not least because he's told opposition teams we only play one way. Thank you for everything Millsy, and good luck to you at your next club.

rogue84 wrote:
as i've said earlier today, i don't mind having a 4-3-3/4-5-1 system, but surely we can't have those middle 3 all being either defenders or defensive midfielders?
the chelsea side of mourinho's glory days had a five of j.cole, duff, lampard, robben & makelele....just one (albeit world class) defensive holding midfielder. the work-rate of the others around him therefore had to be huge to get back and forward, but when attacking it mean they hit teams with 5 and then defended with 5....we are defending with 7 and attacking with 3.
i realise this is a bad example...as they are a premier league side, but surely the principal is roughly the same? come on Millsy, don't lose your head. really wish we had a game tomorrow night, we seriously need to get this spell out of our system.

CityRealist wrote:
For me the key to playing 433 is the full backs providing width and an extra attacking option. Fyfield has shown he can do that in the past but is no doubt struggling for form though we don't seem to have too many other options at left back. Parslow, for all his endeavour and workrate is never going to provide that width or attacking option. So put Obeng back to right back and Paddy Mac into midfield. Maybe give O'Connell or Allen a go at left back. I don't think it needs wholesale change, just a tweak and a couple good performances we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.

Southern Exile wrote:

CityRealist wrote: For me the key to playing 433 is the full backs providing width and an extra attacking option. Fyfield has shown he can do that in the past but is no doubt struggling for form though we don't seem to have too many other options at left back. Parslow, for all his endeavour and workrate is never going to provide that width or attacking option. So put Obeng back to right back and Paddy Mac into midfield. Maybe give O'Connell or Allen a go at left back. I don't think it needs wholesale change, just a tweak and a couple good performances we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.

This I agree with, I would have gone with Obeng at RB on Sat and brought Paddy into MFD, kept the CB's the same...LB is an issue though... Can Allen play there? I would prefer to keep O'Connell in the middle with Danny P at the moment, good comment earlier about pressing higher up the pitch on Tues and dropping too deep with Chris Smith... I'm not advocating throwing everything out, just some acceptance that change is needed.

Dortmun wrote:
QUOTED BY GM
"The problem we have got is that we are giving goals away at this moment in time but, if the chairman wants a 4-4-2 manager, then I'm proud of what I have done at this club," Mills told The Press.

THE PRESS REPORTS THAT

GARY Mills has told York City chairman Jason McGill he might have to look for a new manager if he wants the team to play 4-4-2.

So has he told Mcgill that or have his words being twisted?

goreds wrote:
Millsy has principles and stands by them.
IMO he is still the man for City.
His passing game has transformed City.
I'd rathe have a strong man in charge rather than one that bounces from one headline to another.
If I was Chairman I'd back him 100%.
A change now would be suicidal ,not to say ,expensive.
Lead on Millsy.

Koala wrote:
I have no objection to Mills sticking with 433 if he believes in this system. However I am concerned that the team are not performing the basics well and to some extent this is down to the coaching staff. Mills should not be surprised that the second goal was gifted. It is down to the fact that York are slow and predictable at all set pieces. They only have one ploy at throw ins and it takes an age for them to employ it. Ingham is simply not aware of what is available at goal kicks and allows the opposition to reorganise at will. Contrast this with Barnet on Saturday who seemed to have lots of options at throw-ins and on numerous occasions had passed the ball out at goal kicks before City players had turned around.
Continue to play 433 Gary but sort out the basics, be less predictable, play players in positions where they are comfortable and make sure they are alert and responsive when the ball is out of play and not looking for a rest!

CityRealist wrote:
I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really?

neutral observer 2 wrote:

CityRealist wrote:
I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really?

yep really .
the majority of comments come from people who watch MotD and quote annual failures like Liverpool as their 'second team'.
York is littered with clueless sheep.
I'm just upset I couldn't blame the local council officials for this poor patch.

CityRealist wrote:
I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really?

yorkviking wrote:
Some people are unbelievably naive. You really think changing to 4-4-2 will magically solve everything, all of our problems? Why would we concede less playing like that? Mills is right, we would have let in more - no holding player, easier for teams to get through the middle against us. It's about how well the players are playing in their roles, and most of them are doing badly right now. Mills is wrong about a lot fo things he has done recently, like the whole Chris Smith thing and some of his absurd team selections. But just changing to 4-4-2 will not suddenly solve evrything. People who think it will are the ones with absolutely no mind for tactics at all, they don't understand football.

barcooter wrote:

yorkviking wrote:
Some people are unbelievably naive. You really think changing to 4-4-2 will magically solve everything, all of our problems? Why would we concede less playing like that? Mills is right, we would have let in more - no holding player, easier for teams to get through the middle against us. It's about how well the players are playing in their roles, and most of them are doing badly right now. Mills is wrong about a lot fo things he has done recently, like the whole Chris Smith thing and some of his absurd team selections. But just changing to 4-4-2 will not suddenly solve evrything. People who think it will are the ones with absolutely no mind for tactics at all, they don't understand football.

Playing 433 requires technically gifted holding midfielders which we don't have. We just get out-muscled. 442 is the only option in this league without the right players.

goreds wrote:
Celebrating 48 years as a happy clapper .
Plus singing and shouting and often miserable clapper.
What the hell is a happy clapper at
Bootham Crescent ?

ps Millsy is to City what Fergie Is to MUFC. This is a temporary hiccup.
WE WONT GO DOWN - THE SQUAD IS TOO STRONG AND THE MANANER WOULD NOT ALLOW IT.

walterwark wrote:
8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else.
Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!

circuitous route dorset wrote:

walterwark wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!

Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.

redbluelion wrote:

circuitous route dorset wrote:

walterwark wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!

Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.

the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up.

walterwark wrote:

redbluelion wrote:

circuitous route dorset wrote:

walterwark wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!

Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.

the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up.

Don't make me laugh!!! the only reason that Gary Mills is here is 'for the money'....Haaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! How much do you think he is getting?? Give your head a shake. Be dissatisfied with results but GET REAL!

redbluelion wrote:

walterwark wrote:

redbluelion wrote:

circuitous route dorset wrote:

walterwark wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!

Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.

the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up.

Don't make me laugh!!! the only reason that Gary Mills is here is 'for the money'....Haaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! How much do you think he is getting?? Give your head a shake. Be dissatisfied with results but GET REAL!

why else would he be here..its not for the love of york city is it...we are not a major league team are we..he says he loves york city..well for me he dosn't give a **** about the club..if the club goes down he will just move on to another club and say the same words he said here..he an idiot taking us back down and some of you idiot fans can't see it you still think the sun shines out of his ****..when you gonna wake up out of the never ending story of gary mills and realize hes wrong man for the job..