York City manager stands by 4-3-3 system in wake of Barnet loss

York Press: Barnet  player-boss Edgar Davids, far left, and York City counterpart Gary Mills share a word after the final whistle of Saturday’s npower League Two clash at Bootham Crescent, which the visitors won 2-1 Barnet player-boss Edgar Davids, far left, and York City counterpart Gary Mills share a word after the final whistle of Saturday’s npower League Two clash at Bootham Crescent, which the visitors won 2-1

GARY Mills has told York City chairman Jason McGill he might have to look for a new manager if he wants the team to play 4-4-2.

The Minstermen lost 2-1 at home to lowly Barnet at Bootham Crescent on Saturday, leaving Mills’ side without a win in eight matches since beating Burton 3-0 on New Year’s Day. But the City boss insisted the side’s struggles are not related to his favoured 4-3-3 formation.

He said: “Four-three-three has been very successful for us. The problem we have got is that we are giving goals away at this moment in time but, if the chairman wants a 4-4-2 manager, then I’m proud of what I have done at this club.

“People might be having a go at me and I’m having a hard time and finding things difficult, but we’ve got to stick together. We’ve got to play the system better – I know that and the players do.

“But why should we stop doing something that has worked well?

“It’s easy to say we should be playing four up front but we’d have lost some games by four, five or six goals if we had lined up like that this season. It’s not a system problem. People have not been doing their jobs well enough in the formation we are playing.

“That’s as individuals and as a team. Losing games also affects confidence, but you have got to stay confident.”

The City manager was livid, meanwhile, with the manner in which his side gifted Barnet substitute Jake Hyde the winning goal on Saturday. After Bees winger Andy Yiadom had cancelled out David Stephens’ seventh-minute own goal, a mix-up at a throw-in between Jamal Fyfield and John McGrath saw Hyde secure maximum points on 73 minutes.

An annoyed Mills said: “From our throw, in front of my dugout, the ball has ended up in our net within seconds. You can’t be giving goals away like that at this level and get away with it, but we’ve been doing that for a few weeks now.

“We’re not scoring an abundance and I know that’s a problem as well but, when we are conceding goals like we have been doing, it makes things difficult. Throw-ins are a big part of the game.

“You throw the ball to your man, get it back and see the next pass but my left-back has thrown it in and, within seconds, it’s in the back of our net. We had the ball in our hands and they weren’t particularly squeezing us so that’s not good enough and we’ve got to be so much better than that.

“You can’t be that sloppy and it was an abysmal goal. I couldn’t see them scoring, but we gave them a gift.

“If we had got a 1-1 draw, we would have remained eight points clear of Barnet but that’s changed because of our inability to see a game out and that’s a massive blow. We’re down in the bottom eight and have got to go to Oxford and Rotherham and pick up points now.”

An honest Mills also admitted that both himself and the players need to perform better to change the team’s fortunes.

He added: “We are losing games and that means I’m not doing my job well enough and the players aren’t doing theirs well enough either. We’ve got to do our jobs better.

“There were some positives, but not enough. I thought the loan players like Jack O’Connell, John McGrath and Curtis Obeng did well, but some of the players that have been here a couple of years have to do better. Their quality was not good enough.”

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12:11pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Prob says...

You said it Mills, we need a new manager.
You said it Mills, we need a new manager. Prob
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12:25pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Yorkess says...

Jesus, he's losing it. The pressures really getting to him.
Jesus, he's losing it. The pressures really getting to him. Yorkess
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12:26pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Wind Mills says...

Bye bye Gary, thanks for the memories.

Time to go before you finish this club
Bye bye Gary, thanks for the memories. Time to go before you finish this club Wind Mills
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12:27pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Southern Exile says...

That is not good reading, so if something works for a while in the Conference and then you play better teams who counter it in league 2 you just carry on regardless of the results?

OK there is poor form, individual errors and low confidence, accept all of those...

The MANAGER then needs to address these by putting the players in the best chance of getting a positive result and turning it around. Sometimes this means changing things around a bit, not just personnel but tactics too. Are we seriously saying that we will play 4-3-3 regardless of who we are playing, who is fit and who is in form? If so no wonder all the other managers are rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing us at the moment... Yes in the conference other teams had to worry about us, now the boot is on the other foot and we need more thought about how we approach each game and not simply shuffling the pack and following a formula that clearly isn't working and taking us down the table. Millsy ffs try something different, it can't be any worse, can it?
That is not good reading, so if something works for a while in the Conference and then you play better teams who counter it in league 2 you just carry on regardless of the results? OK there is poor form, individual errors and low confidence, accept all of those... The MANAGER then needs to address these by putting the players in the best chance of getting a positive result and turning it around. Sometimes this means changing things around a bit, not just personnel but tactics too. Are we seriously saying that we will play 4-3-3 regardless of who we are playing, who is fit and who is in form? If so no wonder all the other managers are rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing us at the moment... Yes in the conference other teams had to worry about us, now the boot is on the other foot and we need more thought about how we approach each game and not simply shuffling the pack and following a formula that clearly isn't working and taking us down the table. Millsy ffs try something different, it can't be any worse, can it? Southern Exile
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12:33pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Mad for Minstermen says...

Taxi for Mills ! There is no plan B, C or D, time for a change, get some good results and get the crowd buzzing again.
Taxi for Mills ! There is no plan B, C or D, time for a change, get some good results and get the crowd buzzing again. Mad for Minstermen
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12:37pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Mad for Minstermen says...

Time for the happy clappers to eat some humble pie. Millsy admits his own downfall. It's 4 3 3 or bust and at this moment in time it's looks like ....!
Time for the happy clappers to eat some humble pie. Millsy admits his own downfall. It's 4 3 3 or bust and at this moment in time it's looks like ....! Mad for Minstermen
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12:37pm Mon 18 Feb 13

class of 84 says...

he's sealed his own fate. start packing gary!!
he's sealed his own fate. start packing gary!! class of 84
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12:42pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Southern Exile says...

Can you imagine that in another line of work?

So... sales are down, customer satisfaction is at the lowest it's been for 12 months Gary, what are you going to do about it?

Nothing boss, it's the right product I know it is, people were buying it last year so it must be...

The arrogance smacks of Cloughie tbh
Can you imagine that in another line of work? So... sales are down, customer satisfaction is at the lowest it's been for 12 months Gary, what are you going to do about it? Nothing boss, it's the right product I know it is, people were buying it last year so it must be... The arrogance smacks of Cloughie tbh Southern Exile
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12:42pm Mon 18 Feb 13

coin pratts brother says...

Never thought i would say this but its time for Gary Mills and co to go,for the sake of York City football club.Ive never heard such negative comments from a manager who really hasnt the abillity to change things,players also have to shoulder the blame,we are carrying a lot of non league players who have been caught out this season,for the sake of the club please go Mr Mills.
Would love to see Graham Westley ex Preston and stevenagge manager given a go,its going to take a big brave man to save this sinking ship.I reckon if we get relagated its the end of this club,the Mcgills will go and that will be the final nail in the coffin.
Never thought i would say this but its time for Gary Mills and co to go,for the sake of York City football club.Ive never heard such negative comments from a manager who really hasnt the abillity to change things,players also have to shoulder the blame,we are carrying a lot of non league players who have been caught out this season,for the sake of the club please go Mr Mills. Would love to see Graham Westley ex Preston and stevenagge manager given a go,its going to take a big brave man to save this sinking ship.I reckon if we get relagated its the end of this club,the Mcgills will go and that will be the final nail in the coffin. coin pratts brother
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12:44pm Mon 18 Feb 13

iandwightbenton says...

Sorry but we didn't get promoted for being the best team in the conference, we had a good run got in playoffs and won the playoff lottery.

Now we are struggling and have scored 5 in 8 games - 1 a pen and 1 direct from a corner.

So 3 goals from open play in 8 games yet our problem is our defending ?????

We need to score goals, our wingers are not in form so we need to get another striker up top with Rankine.
Sorry but we didn't get promoted for being the best team in the conference, we had a good run got in playoffs and won the playoff lottery. Now we are struggling and have scored 5 in 8 games - 1 a pen and 1 direct from a corner. So 3 goals from open play in 8 games yet our problem is our defending ????? We need to score goals, our wingers are not in form so we need to get another striker up top with Rankine. iandwightbenton
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12:45pm Mon 18 Feb 13

CityRealist says...

Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.
Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens. CityRealist
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12:57pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Dave 77 says...

The sad thing with all this is most of us fans want Mills to try something new as opposed to a new manager coming in.
All the great managers changed their team's formations from time to time. There's no shame in it!
The sad thing with all this is most of us fans want Mills to try something new as opposed to a new manager coming in. All the great managers changed their team's formations from time to time. There's no shame in it! Dave 77
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1:00pm Mon 18 Feb 13

PhilR@Strike says...

Three points?
a. Who has been calling for four up front? No one? Doesn't make sence?
b. Went to a the Oxford v Fleetwood game last week and being a shared football/rugby pitch is well cut up at the mo. No chance of us playing quality football. Still lets stick plan a, current formation and cross our fingers hay? :(
c. Lately Oxford have been playing with little confidence, mind they ground out a result over the weekend.
Three points? a. Who has been calling for four up front? No one? Doesn't make sence? b. Went to a the Oxford v Fleetwood game last week and being a shared football/rugby pitch is well cut up at the mo. No chance of us playing quality football. Still lets stick plan a, current formation and cross our fingers hay? :( c. Lately Oxford have been playing with little confidence, mind they ground out a result over the weekend. PhilR@Strike
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1:03pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Maltkiln says...

... FFS !!!!
... FFS !!!! Maltkiln
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1:04pm Mon 18 Feb 13

old_school_minsterman says...

The only plus from this terrible run is that it has happened now and not inside the last 10 matches of the season. There is still time to turn it around, win a couple of matches and drag ourselves clear.

If a team starts losing now and hits a bad patch it is even harder to stop the rot and the matches soon run out thick and fast!

3 wins and a couple of draws will see us fine - just need to find a way of scoring so that we pick up these wins!
The only plus from this terrible run is that it has happened now and not inside the last 10 matches of the season. There is still time to turn it around, win a couple of matches and drag ourselves clear. If a team starts losing now and hits a bad patch it is even harder to stop the rot and the matches soon run out thick and fast! 3 wins and a couple of draws will see us fine - just need to find a way of scoring so that we pick up these wins! old_school_minsterman
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1:11pm Mon 18 Feb 13

openallhours says...

Dear oh dear, and people wonder why Mills isn't popular. Some managers take the attitude to apologise for poor results (Wenger does it and Laudraup did yesterday and I think there's more pressure in the premier league).
Also, when will people stop going on about what we did last season - it's been and gone.
Dear oh dear, and people wonder why Mills isn't popular. Some managers take the attitude to apologise for poor results (Wenger does it and Laudraup did yesterday and I think there's more pressure in the premier league). Also, when will people stop going on about what we did last season - it's been and gone. openallhours
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1:21pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Southern Exile says...

CityRealist wrote:
Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.
So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club?

Thought not...
[quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.[/p][/quote]So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club? Thought not... Southern Exile
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1:24pm Mon 18 Feb 13

YoRkIe59 says...

most people would agree with Dave 77 we dont want mills out just for him to see sense and try something different when its plainly not working big time at the moment.but i cant believe even he would come out and say im going to carry on just as it is or find someone else.please please may we have that in writing by way of a resignation then Gary so the club dont have to pay you off with money you know damm well we cant afford,and get someone else in before its too late.we are not scoring in abundance,understate
ment of the season,but when did we ever score in abundance at home using 4 3 3.Talk about putting the chairman on the spot tho wow.
most people would agree with Dave 77 we dont want mills out just for him to see sense and try something different when its plainly not working big time at the moment.but i cant believe even he would come out and say im going to carry on just as it is or find someone else.please please may we have that in writing by way of a resignation then Gary so the club dont have to pay you off with money you know damm well we cant afford,and get someone else in before its too late.we are not scoring in abundance,understate ment of the season,but when did we ever score in abundance at home using 4 3 3.Talk about putting the chairman on the spot tho wow. YoRkIe59
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1:27pm Mon 18 Feb 13

twang says...

OMG that must be it for Mills thats got to be not the last nail in the coffin.
The only similarity between mills & clough is their arrogance at least clough had a clue i think its time for another whip round to pay him off

Ill start the pot with £50 thanks for the memories but i dont want any further memories of us going down BYE BYE Gary. Darren & Des
OMG that must be it for Mills thats got to be not the last nail in the coffin. The only similarity between mills & clough is their arrogance at least clough had a clue i think its time for another whip round to pay him off Ill start the pot with £50 thanks for the memories but i dont want any further memories of us going down BYE BYE Gary. Darren & Des twang
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1:29pm Mon 18 Feb 13

OLD - HEAD says...

Sorry Gary but that is taking arrogance too far. He obviously thinks that he is unsackable, making statements like that.
Sorry Gary but that is taking arrogance too far. He obviously thinks that he is unsackable, making statements like that. OLD - HEAD
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1:31pm Mon 18 Feb 13

bertieb says...

Seems like Mills has sealed his own fate. Every recent public utterance, from his comments about 4-3-3 to his defence of Daniel Parslow, has been designed to stick two fingers up at the fans.

As for saying 4-4-2 means playing four up front, what on earth does Mills mean?

City are dreadful at the moment and Mills cannot, or will not, understand why.
Seems like Mills has sealed his own fate. Every recent public utterance, from his comments about 4-3-3 to his defence of Daniel Parslow, has been designed to stick two fingers up at the fans. As for saying 4-4-2 means playing four up front, what on earth does Mills mean? City are dreadful at the moment and Mills cannot, or will not, understand why. bertieb
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1:31pm Mon 18 Feb 13

TimYCFC says...

Just don't understand this, it's like he thinks changing the system is accepting defeat. We all admire the principle of wanted to play a passing game but why he thinks isn't that possible in anything other than a 4-3-3 is beyond me and I find it deeply worrying.

Now's the time to dig in and this system is leaving us exposed at the back, light up front (although Ranks has been excellent since his return and helped with this) and, most importantly, we're not dominating play even with 3 in the centre of the park - surely the whole aim of playing this system in the first place. We can't string 5 passes together so why continue to try and build play around that ? We need points, not footballing philosophies !!

I'd like to see a 4-2-3-1 with Parslow and McGrath sat in front of the back 4, not pushing forward and just trying to stop these ridiculous goals being conceded. This would still allow us to pass the ball and attack with width as Mills wants whilst also giving us the solidity we are so sorely lacking at the moment.
Just don't understand this, it's like he thinks changing the system is accepting defeat. We all admire the principle of wanted to play a passing game but why he thinks isn't that possible in anything other than a 4-3-3 is beyond me and I find it deeply worrying. Now's the time to dig in and this system is leaving us exposed at the back, light up front (although Ranks has been excellent since his return and helped with this) and, most importantly, we're not dominating play even with 3 in the centre of the park - surely the whole aim of playing this system in the first place. We can't string 5 passes together so why continue to try and build play around that ? We need points, not footballing philosophies !! I'd like to see a 4-2-3-1 with Parslow and McGrath sat in front of the back 4, not pushing forward and just trying to stop these ridiculous goals being conceded. This would still allow us to pass the ball and attack with width as Mills wants whilst also giving us the solidity we are so sorely lacking at the moment. TimYCFC
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1:31pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Southern Exile says...

YoRkIe59 wrote:
most people would agree with Dave 77 we dont want mills out just for him to see sense and try something different when its plainly not working big time at the moment.but i cant believe even he would come out and say im going to carry on just as it is or find someone else.please please may we have that in writing by way of a resignation then Gary so the club dont have to pay you off with money you know damm well we cant afford,and get someone else in before its too late.we are not scoring in abundance,understate

ment of the season,but when did we ever score in abundance at home using 4 3 3.Talk about putting the chairman on the spot tho wow.
Yep it's pretty much a challenge isn't it?

I would prefer he stay too but not if he can't even contemplate an alternative approach.

What happens if you don't evolve? You become extinct...Garynisaur
ous Ex?
[quote][p][bold]YoRkIe59[/bold] wrote: most people would agree with Dave 77 we dont want mills out just for him to see sense and try something different when its plainly not working big time at the moment.but i cant believe even he would come out and say im going to carry on just as it is or find someone else.please please may we have that in writing by way of a resignation then Gary so the club dont have to pay you off with money you know damm well we cant afford,and get someone else in before its too late.we are not scoring in abundance,understate ment of the season,but when did we ever score in abundance at home using 4 3 3.Talk about putting the chairman on the spot tho wow.[/p][/quote]Yep it's pretty much a challenge isn't it? I would prefer he stay too but not if he can't even contemplate an alternative approach. What happens if you don't evolve? You become extinct...Garynisaur ous Ex? Southern Exile
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1:40pm Mon 18 Feb 13

pip007 says...

No one ever accused football managers of being intelligent.
No one ever accused football managers of being intelligent. pip007
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1:41pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Koala says...

I have no objection to Mills sticking with 433 if he believes in this system. However I am concerned that the team are not performing the basics well and to some extent this is down to the coaching staff. Mills should not be surprised that the second goal was gifted. It is down to the fact that York are slow and predictable at all set pieces. They only have one ploy at throw ins and it takes an age for them to employ it. Ingham is simply not aware of what is available at goal kicks and allows the opposition to reorganise at will. Contrast this with Barnet on Saturday who seemed to have lots of options at throw-ins and on numerous occasions had passed the ball out at goal kicks before City players had turned around.
Continue to play 433 Gary but sort out the basics, be less predictable, play players in positions where they are comfortable and make sure they are alert and responsive when the ball is out of play and not looking for a rest!
I have no objection to Mills sticking with 433 if he believes in this system. However I am concerned that the team are not performing the basics well and to some extent this is down to the coaching staff. Mills should not be surprised that the second goal was gifted. It is down to the fact that York are slow and predictable at all set pieces. They only have one ploy at throw ins and it takes an age for them to employ it. Ingham is simply not aware of what is available at goal kicks and allows the opposition to reorganise at will. Contrast this with Barnet on Saturday who seemed to have lots of options at throw-ins and on numerous occasions had passed the ball out at goal kicks before City players had turned around. Continue to play 433 Gary but sort out the basics, be less predictable, play players in positions where they are comfortable and make sure they are alert and responsive when the ball is out of play and not looking for a rest! Koala
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1:43pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Keith...lad says...

GM just gets worst.Telling the chairman its 4-3-3 or look for new manager.Have a backbone Jason before he undoes all the hard work from last year.The club will get by with an arrogant Gaffer like Mills.Resigb now Mills why we respect what u have done for York City.
GM just gets worst.Telling the chairman its 4-3-3 or look for new manager.Have a backbone Jason before he undoes all the hard work from last year.The club will get by with an arrogant Gaffer like Mills.Resigb now Mills why we respect what u have done for York City. Keith...lad
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1:44pm Mon 18 Feb 13

fishboy says...

If I said that at work, i would be unemployed, has he lost the plot, or has he had enough and he has another job allready lined up? If the system is not working then change it, before it is too late.

If no change then just walk away with your pals and we will get someone else, who might have a plan B???
If I said that at work, i would be unemployed, has he lost the plot, or has he had enough and he has another job allready lined up? If the system is not working then change it, before it is too late. If no change then just walk away with your pals and we will get someone else, who might have a plan B??? fishboy
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1:47pm Mon 18 Feb 13

A user says...

This makes bad reading. He sounds as if he has already conceeded defeat and is going through the motions.

Yes, the system worked very well previously but you can't just sit back and expect it to work all the time.

Gary won't walk away as he won't get paid so he's basically being asked to be sacked and get compensated!

I personally think GM is a very good manager but humble pie isn't his thing at all. As has already been said, evolve or become extinct. For everyone's sakes, please change the system. We have some very good players here but they look awful at times due to the lack of confidence and the system being played. It's the same with computer games, change or suffer the consequences.

9 points should do us but I can't see where they are coming from at the moment :(
This makes bad reading. He sounds as if he has already conceeded defeat and is going through the motions. Yes, the system worked very well previously but you can't just sit back and expect it to work all the time. Gary won't walk away as he won't get paid so he's basically being asked to be sacked and get compensated! I personally think GM is a very good manager but humble pie isn't his thing at all. As has already been said, evolve or become extinct. For everyone's sakes, please change the system. We have some very good players here but they look awful at times due to the lack of confidence and the system being played. It's the same with computer games, change or suffer the consequences. 9 points should do us but I can't see where they are coming from at the moment :( A user
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2:00pm Mon 18 Feb 13

kirbylad says...

memo to jason mcgill gary mills has lost the plot refusing to change his style of play most of his loan signings have been poor his strikers dont score our york city fans think hes becoming a joke so before you loose respect from the fans please sack him now and hope we get someone who can save our season.
memo to jason mcgill gary mills has lost the plot refusing to change his style of play most of his loan signings have been poor his strikers dont score our york city fans think hes becoming a joke so before you loose respect from the fans please sack him now and hope we get someone who can save our season. kirbylad
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2:02pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Fat Harry says...

"GARY Mills has told York City chairman Jason McGill he might have to look for a new manager if he wants the team to play 4-4-2."

Does that mean McGill has asked him to switch the formation? If so, it could be that the good working relationship the two men have is under severe strain.

As many people have said we don't expecially want Mills to go, just to accept that sometimes, a Plan B really is called for.

Unless it's the Press making mischief, this statement has probably pushed said Plan B further into the background than ever and may well have sealed Mills' fate.

If so it'll be a sad end to a brilliant episode in the club's history.
"GARY Mills has told York City chairman Jason McGill he might have to look for a new manager if he wants the team to play 4-4-2." Does that mean McGill has asked him to switch the formation? If so, it could be that the good working relationship the two men have is under severe strain. As many people have said we don't expecially want Mills to go, just to accept that sometimes, a Plan B really is called for. Unless it's the Press making mischief, this statement has probably pushed said Plan B further into the background than ever and may well have sealed Mills' fate. If so it'll be a sad end to a brilliant episode in the club's history. Fat Harry
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2:04pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Al-YCFC says...

Mad for Minstermen wrote:
Time for the happy clappers to eat some humble pie. Millsy admits his own downfall. It's 4 3 3 or bust and at this moment in time it's looks like ....!
Congratulations, I hoped Mills would turn the team round but was wrong.
You were right. You are obviously very happy that you've been proved right. You must be well proud.
[quote][p][bold]Mad for Minstermen[/bold] wrote: Time for the happy clappers to eat some humble pie. Millsy admits his own downfall. It's 4 3 3 or bust and at this moment in time it's looks like ....![/p][/quote]Congratulations, I hoped Mills would turn the team round but was wrong. You were right. You are obviously very happy that you've been proved right. You must be well proud. Al-YCFC
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2:06pm Mon 18 Feb 13

billoofyork says...

saturday wasn't even 4-3-3. it was 4-5-1 with rankine totally isolated and the rest sitting back.
if those are the tactics against teams that are there to be taken then we are totally lost right now.
add into the mix that he continues to pick chris smith and then play others out of position i am seriously losing hope.
don't like to hear managers being this arrogant either. i have been a pro-Mills man thus far. please gary sort yourself and the team out sharp-ish before we all lose out
saturday wasn't even 4-3-3. it was 4-5-1 with rankine totally isolated and the rest sitting back. if those are the tactics against teams that are there to be taken then we are totally lost right now. add into the mix that he continues to pick chris smith and then play others out of position i am seriously losing hope. don't like to hear managers being this arrogant either. i have been a pro-Mills man thus far. please gary sort yourself and the team out sharp-ish before we all lose out billoofyork
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2:08pm Mon 18 Feb 13

YorkCityLuke says...

Mills should be proud of what he's done for the club, but if he won't adapt then maybe he should stand aside. We need a manager who will bend before he breaks.
Mills should be proud of what he's done for the club, but if he won't adapt then maybe he should stand aside. We need a manager who will bend before he breaks. YorkCityLuke
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2:08pm Mon 18 Feb 13

duffy says...

I would be amazed if Jason has told Gary to do anything. It's probably more a comment towards all the poster on here and red and blue who would like to see him change the formation.
I would be amazed if Jason has told Gary to do anything. It's probably more a comment towards all the poster on here and red and blue who would like to see him change the formation. duffy
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2:21pm Mon 18 Feb 13

barcooter says...

Mills' philosophy only works if you think 4-3-3 is the best way to play football and you have the players to suit that system. I'm not sure it is and he doesn't.

A bit narrow minded.
Mills' philosophy only works if you think 4-3-3 is the best way to play football and you have the players to suit that system. I'm not sure it is and he doesn't. A bit narrow minded. barcooter
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2:26pm Mon 18 Feb 13

YoRkIe59 says...

another way of looking at things.Ok Gary play your 4 3 3 you love so much,but make it work,your the one who loves it so much your the one who insists its the only way to play,as youve played that system all your managerial career so c,mon show us all how wrong we are,it you are right and everyone else is wrong lets see the results.
another way of looking at things.Ok Gary play your 4 3 3 you love so much,but make it work,your the one who loves it so much your the one who insists its the only way to play,as youve played that system all your managerial career so c,mon show us all how wrong we are,it you are right and everyone else is wrong lets see the results. YoRkIe59
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2:26pm Mon 18 Feb 13

YoRkIe59 says...

another way of looking at things.Ok Gary play your 4 3 3 you love so much,but make it work,your the one who loves it so much your the one who insists its the only way to play,as youve played that system all your managerial career so c,mon show us all how wrong we are,it you are right and everyone else is wrong lets see the results.
another way of looking at things.Ok Gary play your 4 3 3 you love so much,but make it work,your the one who loves it so much your the one who insists its the only way to play,as youve played that system all your managerial career so c,mon show us all how wrong we are,it you are right and everyone else is wrong lets see the results. YoRkIe59
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2:39pm Mon 18 Feb 13

bill bailey says...

Where are these two lefthand men who the club pay to put fit ,competemt players on the pitch? if they cant see and tell GM he should use a different formation then they are not doing their job,if he is not taking their advice ( if they have an input) then get them out and bring a good coach who will.i suspect,the problem runs a bit deeper,
If i was the Chairman i would have had pulled in a trusted player and found out if there was a dressing room problem and what it was,that seems the place one should looking.Good players dont turn poor players for no reason.It a funny thing to say to the Chairman if he has said whats been reported in the Press.it seems little blue pills will be taken by someone soon.
Where are these two lefthand men who the club pay to put fit ,competemt players on the pitch? if they cant see and tell GM he should use a different formation then they are not doing their job,if he is not taking their advice ( if they have an input) then get them out and bring a good coach who will.i suspect,the problem runs a bit deeper, If i was the Chairman i would have had pulled in a trusted player and found out if there was a dressing room problem and what it was,that seems the place one should looking.Good players dont turn poor players for no reason.It a funny thing to say to the Chairman if he has said whats been reported in the Press.it seems little blue pills will be taken by someone soon. bill bailey
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2:39pm Mon 18 Feb 13

yorkviking says...

Some people are unbelievably naive. You really think changing to 4-4-2 will magically solve everything, all of our problems? Why would we concede less playing like that? Mills is right, we would have let in more - no holding player, easier for teams to get through the middle against us. It's about how well the players are playing in their roles, and most of them are doing badly right now. Mills is wrong about a lot fo things he has done recently, like the whole Chris Smith thing and some of his absurd team selections. But just changing to 4-4-2 will not suddenly solve evrything. People who think it will are the ones with absolutely no mind for tactics at all, they don't understand football.
Some people are unbelievably naive. You really think changing to 4-4-2 will magically solve everything, all of our problems? Why would we concede less playing like that? Mills is right, we would have let in more - no holding player, easier for teams to get through the middle against us. It's about how well the players are playing in their roles, and most of them are doing badly right now. Mills is wrong about a lot fo things he has done recently, like the whole Chris Smith thing and some of his absurd team selections. But just changing to 4-4-2 will not suddenly solve evrything. People who think it will are the ones with absolutely no mind for tactics at all, they don't understand football. yorkviking
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2:40pm Mon 18 Feb 13

RooBeck says...

On occasions, GM does need to be prepared to be more flexible with his formations and forward players. At the moment, Mattie Blair looks in need of a rest and though only recently undergoing an operation and perhaps still building himself up, nevertheless, Ashley Chambers needs to get more fired-up and more involved throughout the full 90 minutes and make things happen up front. But without these two in the starting XI, it's hard to see where our attacking wide play will come from because so far, Alex Rodman has not proved a success and he's now had plenty of time to shine. So, can David McDaid and Ben Everson be the right combo to play alongside Michael Rankine? 4-3-3- argument aside, due to our lack of goals and attacking threat, surely it is time to look at some new personnel in the final third of the pitch - what have we got to lose?! Also, let's keep the Back Four as settled as possible, built around David McGurk, should he return to full fitness in the near future!
On occasions, GM does need to be prepared to be more flexible with his formations and forward players. At the moment, Mattie Blair looks in need of a rest and though only recently undergoing an operation and perhaps still building himself up, nevertheless, Ashley Chambers needs to get more fired-up and more involved throughout the full 90 minutes and make things happen up front. But without these two in the starting XI, it's hard to see where our attacking wide play will come from because so far, Alex Rodman has not proved a success and he's now had plenty of time to shine. So, can David McDaid and Ben Everson be the right combo to play alongside Michael Rankine? 4-3-3- argument aside, due to our lack of goals and attacking threat, surely it is time to look at some new personnel in the final third of the pitch - what have we got to lose?! Also, let's keep the Back Four as settled as possible, built around David McGurk, should he return to full fitness in the near future! RooBeck
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3:00pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Tug job says...

iandwightbenton wrote:
Sorry but we didn't get promoted for being the best team in the conference, we had a good run got in playoffs and won the playoff lottery.

Now we are struggling and have scored 5 in 8 games - 1 a pen and 1 direct from a corner.

So 3 goals from open play in 8 games yet our problem is our defending ?????

We need to score goals, our wingers are not in form so we need to get another striker up top with Rankine.
Are you really saying that we didn't deserve to get promoted? Incredible!
[quote][p][bold]iandwightbenton[/bold] wrote: Sorry but we didn't get promoted for being the best team in the conference, we had a good run got in playoffs and won the playoff lottery. Now we are struggling and have scored 5 in 8 games - 1 a pen and 1 direct from a corner. So 3 goals from open play in 8 games yet our problem is our defending ????? We need to score goals, our wingers are not in form so we need to get another striker up top with Rankine.[/p][/quote]Are you really saying that we didn't deserve to get promoted? Incredible! Tug job
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3:04pm Mon 18 Feb 13

openallhours says...

Simon Grayson would be an excellent appointment (or any other manager with a decent lower league track record - there's a few about). Hate to say it but.................
....................
...Mills out!
Simon Grayson would be an excellent appointment (or any other manager with a decent lower league track record - there's a few about). Hate to say it but................. .................... ...Mills out! openallhours
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3:14pm Mon 18 Feb 13

gosportyorkie says...

433 works we have proved that with our excellent goal return, please dnt change anything millsy i love going to luton, forest green, woking and various other pits in the blue square, why oh why would we want to be a football league side , go manage one of the blue square tosh that want to play 433
433 works we have proved that with our excellent goal return, please dnt change anything millsy i love going to luton, forest green, woking and various other pits in the blue square, why oh why would we want to be a football league side , go manage one of the blue square tosh that want to play 433 gosportyorkie
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3:14pm Mon 18 Feb 13

neutral observer 2 says...

Nice to see the players backing up the bloke who gave them a job.
There are no better managers available
Nice to see the players backing up the bloke who gave them a job. There are no better managers available neutral observer 2
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4:13pm Mon 18 Feb 13

paintitred says...

Its far too late in the season to be changing managers, its a case of the better the devil you know.A new manager will be at least 2 weeks away if Gary was sacked today and then another 3 weeks to settle in and phase in his style of play and management by then the season will be over.

i think we will pick up and come through this spell we are having,its seems dark at the moment thats because we all know too well what non-league is like and panic is setting in.
But now is not the time to turn on the club. players and manager.
Now is the time unite and play your/our part in this fight we find our clubs in.

a dived club could well see a return to the blue square and we dont want that.

we may not like what we are been served but now is not the time to be stamping our little feet and spit vile at the club now is the time to be proud, remember them 8 days in may last year when the club needed you, Well it needs you even more now.

show a united force we are York City

COME ON CITY !!
Its far too late in the season to be changing managers, its a case of the better the devil you know.A new manager will be at least 2 weeks away if Gary was sacked today and then another 3 weeks to settle in and phase in his style of play and management by then the season will be over. i think we will pick up and come through this spell we are having,its seems dark at the moment thats because we all know too well what non-league is like and panic is setting in. But now is not the time to turn on the club. players and manager. Now is the time unite and play your/our part in this fight we find our clubs in. a dived club could well see a return to the blue square and we dont want that. we may not like what we are been served but now is not the time to be stamping our little feet and spit vile at the club now is the time to be proud, remember them 8 days in may last year when the club needed you, Well it needs you even more now. show a united force we are York City COME ON CITY !! paintitred
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4:20pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Phil, Leeds says...

Unbelievable comments from a man who seems to have lost the plot. The main problem we have is not scoring enough goals, barely 1 a game at home and that may well be down to his single dimensional tactic. He may not get many more using 442 but surely it has to be worth a try. He's so predictable and that must make it easier for opposing managers to plan to beat us.
I don't particularly want to see him sacked but I'm sick of his arrogance and inflexibility. At the end of the day the Chairman has to do what he feels is best for the Club.
Unbelievable comments from a man who seems to have lost the plot. The main problem we have is not scoring enough goals, barely 1 a game at home and that may well be down to his single dimensional tactic. He may not get many more using 442 but surely it has to be worth a try. He's so predictable and that must make it easier for opposing managers to plan to beat us. I don't particularly want to see him sacked but I'm sick of his arrogance and inflexibility. At the end of the day the Chairman has to do what he feels is best for the Club. Phil, Leeds
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4:21pm Mon 18 Feb 13

iandwightbenton says...

Tug job : I didn't say we didn't deserve to go up but we weren't the best team in the conference (over the course of the season).

We have gone up and look a little out of our depth at the mo that's all - a change of formation/playing 2 strikers will help provide more service our front line and we need goals.
Tug job : I didn't say we didn't deserve to go up but we weren't the best team in the conference (over the course of the season). We have gone up and look a little out of our depth at the mo that's all - a change of formation/playing 2 strikers will help provide more service our front line and we need goals. iandwightbenton
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4:24pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Phil, Leeds says...

And he's criticising his calamitous left back, not for the first time, but he keeps selecting him! The responsibility for the performances and results lies with you Mr Mills.
And he's criticising his calamitous left back, not for the first time, but he keeps selecting him! The responsibility for the performances and results lies with you Mr Mills. Phil, Leeds
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4:30pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Southern Exile says...

paintitred wrote:
Its far too late in the season to be changing managers, its a case of the better the devil you know.A new manager will be at least 2 weeks away if Gary was sacked today and then another 3 weeks to settle in and phase in his style of play and management by then the season will be over.

i think we will pick up and come through this spell we are having,its seems dark at the moment thats because we all know too well what non-league is like and panic is setting in.
But now is not the time to turn on the club. players and manager.
Now is the time unite and play your/our part in this fight we find our clubs in.

a dived club could well see a return to the blue square and we dont want that.

we may not like what we are been served but now is not the time to be stamping our little feet and spit vile at the club now is the time to be proud, remember them 8 days in may last year when the club needed you, Well it needs you even more now.

show a united force we are York City

COME ON CITY !!
Yes United in sorting it out, not continually following a failing formula, there's a difference...

People would rally round if they saw some attempt to try and change things to make it better, the arrogance and head in sand mentality is what is winding everyone up.

Millsy will always be appreciated for getting us out of the Conference but he won't be thanked for taking us back there, he needs a plan B (particularly at home) or he needs to go...
[quote][p][bold]paintitred[/bold] wrote: Its far too late in the season to be changing managers, its a case of the better the devil you know.A new manager will be at least 2 weeks away if Gary was sacked today and then another 3 weeks to settle in and phase in his style of play and management by then the season will be over. i think we will pick up and come through this spell we are having,its seems dark at the moment thats because we all know too well what non-league is like and panic is setting in. But now is not the time to turn on the club. players and manager. Now is the time unite and play your/our part in this fight we find our clubs in. a dived club could well see a return to the blue square and we dont want that. we may not like what we are been served but now is not the time to be stamping our little feet and spit vile at the club now is the time to be proud, remember them 8 days in may last year when the club needed you, Well it needs you even more now. show a united force we are York City COME ON CITY !![/p][/quote]Yes United in sorting it out, not continually following a failing formula, there's a difference... People would rally round if they saw some attempt to try and change things to make it better, the arrogance and head in sand mentality is what is winding everyone up. Millsy will always be appreciated for getting us out of the Conference but he won't be thanked for taking us back there, he needs a plan B (particularly at home) or he needs to go... Southern Exile
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4:41pm Mon 18 Feb 13

CityRealist says...

Southern Exile wrote:
CityRealist wrote: Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.
So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club? Thought not...
Of course not, but I'm happy to trust his judgement, he's got it right far more times than he's got it wrong. I don't think survival of the club is in question - we're having a tricky patch obviously but I'm certain they'll turn it round - if we finish one point above relegation that's job done this year. All that said, football is all about opinions, so I respect those who think he should change to 442 but it's clear from his time at City he will stick to what he believes works, so the fans energy would be better spent getting behind the team.
[quote][p][bold]Southern Exile[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.[/p][/quote]So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club? Thought not...[/p][/quote]Of course not, but I'm happy to trust his judgement, he's got it right far more times than he's got it wrong. I don't think survival of the club is in question - we're having a tricky patch obviously but I'm certain they'll turn it round - if we finish one point above relegation that's job done this year. All that said, football is all about opinions, so I respect those who think he should change to 442 but it's clear from his time at City he will stick to what he believes works, so the fans energy would be better spent getting behind the team. CityRealist
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4:42pm Mon 18 Feb 13

THETELLEROFTALES says...

Been a supporter of Mills so far but if this is an accurate report then...


'Your avin a larf Gary' at the expense of the Chairman, the Board and the Suporters.

and that is not a very nice thing to do to anyone.

Can all the fans be wrong all the time?
Been a supporter of Mills so far but if this is an accurate report then... 'Your avin a larf Gary' at the expense of the Chairman, the Board and the Suporters. and that is not a very nice thing to do to anyone. Can all the fans be wrong all the time? THETELLEROFTALES
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4:48pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Southern Exile says...

CityRealist wrote:
Southern Exile wrote:
CityRealist wrote: Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.
So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club? Thought not...
Of course not, but I'm happy to trust his judgement, he's got it right far more times than he's got it wrong. I don't think survival of the club is in question - we're having a tricky patch obviously but I'm certain they'll turn it round - if we finish one point above relegation that's job done this year. All that said, football is all about opinions, so I respect those who think he should change to 442 but it's clear from his time at City he will stick to what he believes works, so the fans energy would be better spent getting behind the team.
We have taken 4 pts out of the last 8 games and he doesn't want to change...

So we continue with the same approach? We'll "probably" get another 6 or 7pts? I don't think that will be enough this season... Looking like 46-47pts will be the trap door.

I'm not even saying 4-4-2, just look at who we are playing, who is fit, who is in form and pick the tactics / personnel accordingly an stop being stubborn...
[quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Southern Exile[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.[/p][/quote]So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club? Thought not...[/p][/quote]Of course not, but I'm happy to trust his judgement, he's got it right far more times than he's got it wrong. I don't think survival of the club is in question - we're having a tricky patch obviously but I'm certain they'll turn it round - if we finish one point above relegation that's job done this year. All that said, football is all about opinions, so I respect those who think he should change to 442 but it's clear from his time at City he will stick to what he believes works, so the fans energy would be better spent getting behind the team.[/p][/quote]We have taken 4 pts out of the last 8 games and he doesn't want to change... So we continue with the same approach? We'll "probably" get another 6 or 7pts? I don't think that will be enough this season... Looking like 46-47pts will be the trap door. I'm not even saying 4-4-2, just look at who we are playing, who is fit, who is in form and pick the tactics / personnel accordingly an stop being stubborn... Southern Exile
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4:49pm Mon 18 Feb 13

duffy says...

CityRealist wrote:
Southern Exile wrote:
CityRealist wrote: Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.
So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club? Thought not...
Of course not, but I'm happy to trust his judgement, he's got it right far more times than he's got it wrong. I don't think survival of the club is in question - we're having a tricky patch obviously but I'm certain they'll turn it round - if we finish one point above relegation that's job done this year. All that said, football is all about opinions, so I respect those who think he should change to 442 but it's clear from his time at City he will stick to what he believes works, so the fans energy would be better spent getting behind the team.
Actually I think survival of the club is in question. Should we go down I can't see a long term future for the club, many fans won't endure a second spell given we will never get out again. I say that because you have to ask if the McGills may then walk away, you can't expect them to keep pumping money into the club. I'm not stating this automatically means Mills must go to survive, rather that relegation would be a disaster and I think that's why so many people are very, very nervous.
[quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Southern Exile[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: Usual inane comments around Mills out blah blah blah. I agree with his comments and admire that he won't just give up his footballing principles just because a section of supporters believe we should be storming league two - simply a change of system guarantees nothing, it's about how the players do their jobs within a system, and it's not quite happening at the minute. This season was only ever about survival, and as it stands that's exactly what we're doing. I do wonder whether the majority of the Mills out brigade actually go to the games and have been for many years. He's the best manager we've had for a long long time and we have a team that tries to play in the right way. We're having a poor spell, it happens.[/p][/quote]So one man's principles are more important than the survival of the club? Thought not...[/p][/quote]Of course not, but I'm happy to trust his judgement, he's got it right far more times than he's got it wrong. I don't think survival of the club is in question - we're having a tricky patch obviously but I'm certain they'll turn it round - if we finish one point above relegation that's job done this year. All that said, football is all about opinions, so I respect those who think he should change to 442 but it's clear from his time at City he will stick to what he believes works, so the fans energy would be better spent getting behind the team.[/p][/quote]Actually I think survival of the club is in question. Should we go down I can't see a long term future for the club, many fans won't endure a second spell given we will never get out again. I say that because you have to ask if the McGills may then walk away, you can't expect them to keep pumping money into the club. I'm not stating this automatically means Mills must go to survive, rather that relegation would be a disaster and I think that's why so many people are very, very nervous. duffy
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4:55pm Mon 18 Feb 13

TerryYork says...

So he's told his boss he's sticking with a failing system or else he has to fire him.

You'd never get away with that in any line of work, so he should be no different.

I was backing him all the way until I read this article. Not least because he's told opposition teams we only play one way.

Thank you for everything Millsy, and good luck to you at your next club.
So he's told his boss he's sticking with a failing system or else he has to fire him. You'd never get away with that in any line of work, so he should be no different. I was backing him all the way until I read this article. Not least because he's told opposition teams we only play one way. Thank you for everything Millsy, and good luck to you at your next club. TerryYork
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4:57pm Mon 18 Feb 13

The_Baron89 says...

THETELLEROFTALES wrote:
Been a supporter of Mills so far but if this is an accurate report then... 'Your avin a larf Gary' at the expense of the Chairman, the Board and the Suporters. and that is not a very nice thing to do to anyone. Can all the fans be wrong all the time?
I think this forum has proven that the fans' opinions very much differ on the subject. So no, all the fans aren't wrong.

For what it's worth I think we should stick with Mills. He's a proud man who has done a lot for this club and city.

Some of the performances lately have been dire but at this stage of the season I'm not sure a change of manager would be the best route to go down. Tuesday night showed the players still have the passion for their manager and club so I back Mills to stay.
[quote][p][bold]THETELLEROFTALES[/bold] wrote: Been a supporter of Mills so far but if this is an accurate report then... 'Your avin a larf Gary' at the expense of the Chairman, the Board and the Suporters. and that is not a very nice thing to do to anyone. Can all the fans be wrong all the time?[/p][/quote]I think this forum has proven that the fans' opinions very much differ on the subject. So no, all the fans aren't wrong. For what it's worth I think we should stick with Mills. He's a proud man who has done a lot for this club and city. Some of the performances lately have been dire but at this stage of the season I'm not sure a change of manager would be the best route to go down. Tuesday night showed the players still have the passion for their manager and club so I back Mills to stay. The_Baron89
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4:59pm Mon 18 Feb 13

bill bailey says...

I respect the remarks on here and passion you have for the club to come out of this low,its very important to the loyal fans,the chairman and his family who with out them you would probably not be on here wanting for the club to be still in the league next year.i was in this position as a pro back in the 50s it is painful for all ,players management,supporter
s,everyone,its a time now that we are all as one go in numbers cheer them on,get the players to stick their chests out ,heads up,and the manager is going through hell,this situation,is not
one he would want on his CV, i have said a few things on here in the heat of the moment,that i regret,but passion is a funny thing.good luck YCFC.
I respect the remarks on here and passion you have for the club to come out of this low,its very important to the loyal fans,the chairman and his family who with out them you would probably not be on here wanting for the club to be still in the league next year.i was in this position as a pro back in the 50s it is painful for all ,players management,supporter s,everyone,its a time now that we are all as one go in numbers cheer them on,get the players to stick their chests out ,heads up,and the manager is going through hell,this situation,is not one he would want on his CV, i have said a few things on here in the heat of the moment,that i regret,but passion is a funny thing.good luck YCFC. bill bailey
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5:06pm Mon 18 Feb 13

bill bailey says...

I respect the remarks on here and passion you have for the club to come out of this low,its very important to the loyal fans,the chairman and his family who with out them you would probably not be on here wanting for the club to be still in the league next year.i was in this position as a pro back in the 50s it is painful for all ,players management,supporter
s,everyone,its a time now that we are all as one go in numbers cheer them on,get the players to stick their chests out ,heads up,and the manager is going through hell,this situation,is not
one he would want on his CV, i have said a few things on here in the heat of the moment,that i regret,but passion is a funny thing.good luck YCFC.
I respect the remarks on here and passion you have for the club to come out of this low,its very important to the loyal fans,the chairman and his family who with out them you would probably not be on here wanting for the club to be still in the league next year.i was in this position as a pro back in the 50s it is painful for all ,players management,supporter s,everyone,its a time now that we are all as one go in numbers cheer them on,get the players to stick their chests out ,heads up,and the manager is going through hell,this situation,is not one he would want on his CV, i have said a few things on here in the heat of the moment,that i regret,but passion is a funny thing.good luck YCFC. bill bailey
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5:12pm Mon 18 Feb 13

The_Baron89 says...

TerryYork wrote:
So he's told his boss he's sticking with a failing system or else he has to fire him. You'd never get away with that in any line of work, so he should be no different. I was backing him all the way until I read this article. Not least because he's told opposition teams we only play one way. Thank you for everything Millsy, and good luck to you at your next club.
I think most opposing teams had already realised we only play one way before Mills said this. I don't think it will have any effect in that regard.

I think Gary's man management skills will come more into question than his tactics as the team are looking rather short on confidence.
[quote][p][bold]TerryYork[/bold] wrote: So he's told his boss he's sticking with a failing system or else he has to fire him. You'd never get away with that in any line of work, so he should be no different. I was backing him all the way until I read this article. Not least because he's told opposition teams we only play one way. Thank you for everything Millsy, and good luck to you at your next club.[/p][/quote]I think most opposing teams had already realised we only play one way before Mills said this. I don't think it will have any effect in that regard. I think Gary's man management skills will come more into question than his tactics as the team are looking rather short on confidence. The_Baron89
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5:20pm Mon 18 Feb 13

rogue84 says...

as i've said earlier today, i don't mind having a 4-3-3/4-5-1 system, but surely we can't have those middle 3 all being either defenders or defensive midfielders?
the chelsea side of mourinho's glory days had a five of j.cole, duff, lampard, robben & makelele....just one (albeit world class) defensive holding midfielder. the work-rate of the others around him therefore had to be huge to get back and forward, but when attacking it mean they hit teams with 5 and then defended with 5....we are defending with 7 and attacking with 3.
i realise this is a bad example...as they are a premier league side, but surely the principal is roughly the same? come on Millsy, don't lose your head. really wish we had a game tomorrow night, we seriously need to get this spell out of our system.
as i've said earlier today, i don't mind having a 4-3-3/4-5-1 system, but surely we can't have those middle 3 all being either defenders or defensive midfielders? the chelsea side of mourinho's glory days had a five of j.cole, duff, lampard, robben & makelele....just one (albeit world class) defensive holding midfielder. the work-rate of the others around him therefore had to be huge to get back and forward, but when attacking it mean they hit teams with 5 and then defended with 5....we are defending with 7 and attacking with 3. i realise this is a bad example...as they are a premier league side, but surely the principal is roughly the same? come on Millsy, don't lose your head. really wish we had a game tomorrow night, we seriously need to get this spell out of our system. rogue84
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5:39pm Mon 18 Feb 13

bill bailey says...

rogue84 wrote:
as i've said earlier today, i don't mind having a 4-3-3/4-5-1 system, but surely we can't have those middle 3 all being either defenders or defensive midfielders?
the chelsea side of mourinho's glory days had a five of j.cole, duff, lampard, robben & makelele....just one (albeit world class) defensive holding midfielder. the work-rate of the others around him therefore had to be huge to get back and forward, but when attacking it mean they hit teams with 5 and then defended with 5....we are defending with 7 and attacking with 3.
i realise this is a bad example...as they are a premier league side, but surely the principal is roughly the same? come on Millsy, don't lose your head. really wish we had a game tomorrow night, we seriously need to get this spell out of our system.
A very sensible piece if i may say so.i keep harping on when people talk about all these formations,but if they are so wonderfull how come the England side have won nothing since 1966? we played , 1235.every player knew his job on the pitch where he had to be what he had to do,,now ,sorry ,but you got players that dont understand what is expected of them,how to defend, how to attack, "oh dear what can the matter be" i would love to have the lads together and instill confidence into them.
[quote][p][bold]rogue84[/bold] wrote: as i've said earlier today, i don't mind having a 4-3-3/4-5-1 system, but surely we can't have those middle 3 all being either defenders or defensive midfielders? the chelsea side of mourinho's glory days had a five of j.cole, duff, lampard, robben & makelele....just one (albeit world class) defensive holding midfielder. the work-rate of the others around him therefore had to be huge to get back and forward, but when attacking it mean they hit teams with 5 and then defended with 5....we are defending with 7 and attacking with 3. i realise this is a bad example...as they are a premier league side, but surely the principal is roughly the same? come on Millsy, don't lose your head. really wish we had a game tomorrow night, we seriously need to get this spell out of our system.[/p][/quote]A very sensible piece if i may say so.i keep harping on when people talk about all these formations,but if they are so wonderfull how come the England side have won nothing since 1966? we played , 1235.every player knew his job on the pitch where he had to be what he had to do,,now ,sorry ,but you got players that dont understand what is expected of them,how to defend, how to attack, "oh dear what can the matter be" i would love to have the lads together and instill confidence into them. bill bailey
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5:45pm Mon 18 Feb 13

redbluelion says...

Who mills think he is the way hes spoken to fans the media and now the chairman in total disrespect..now that must be grounds to sack him.the mans a fool hes not going to get anyone on his side speaking like that...he upsetting everyone sack him now..without a pay off surely you have grounds to now..get rid..
Who mills think he is the way hes spoken to fans the media and now the chairman in total disrespect..now that must be grounds to sack him.the mans a fool hes not going to get anyone on his side speaking like that...he upsetting everyone sack him now..without a pay off surely you have grounds to now..get rid.. redbluelion
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5:50pm Mon 18 Feb 13

CityRealist says...

For me the key to playing 433 is the full backs providing width and an extra attacking option. Fyfield has shown he can do that in the past but is no doubt struggling for form though we don't seem to have too many other options at left back. Parslow, for all his endeavour and workrate is never going to provide that width or attacking option. So put Obeng back to right back and Paddy Mac into midfield. Maybe give O'Connell or Allen a go at left back. I don't think it needs wholesale change, just a tweak and a couple good performances we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.
For me the key to playing 433 is the full backs providing width and an extra attacking option. Fyfield has shown he can do that in the past but is no doubt struggling for form though we don't seem to have too many other options at left back. Parslow, for all his endeavour and workrate is never going to provide that width or attacking option. So put Obeng back to right back and Paddy Mac into midfield. Maybe give O'Connell or Allen a go at left back. I don't think it needs wholesale change, just a tweak and a couple good performances we'll wonder what all the fuss was about. CityRealist
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5:54pm Mon 18 Feb 13

long distance depressive says...

Mills has essentially condemned himself here. He has admitted that hoe has no other tactical option in his mind than a repeated dogma which has cost us points time and time agin this season. Opposing managers have already sussed him ut, the home fans have sussed him out and now he is almost challenging the club to sack him (as long as he gets his compo of course no doubt!). Yes we got promoted using 4-3-3 but that was then.this is now! He has lost the plot for sure! He is not the Messiah..he's a very naughty boy!

His CV will be suffering if he writes on it ' I only do 4-3-3 and have no other thoughts irrespective of results and opposition tactics'
Mills has essentially condemned himself here. He has admitted that hoe has no other tactical option in his mind than a repeated dogma which has cost us points time and time agin this season. Opposing managers have already sussed him ut, the home fans have sussed him out and now he is almost challenging the club to sack him (as long as he gets his compo of course no doubt!). Yes we got promoted using 4-3-3 but that was then.this is now! He has lost the plot for sure! He is not the Messiah..he's a very naughty boy! His CV will be suffering if he writes on it ' I only do 4-3-3 and have no other thoughts irrespective of results and opposition tactics' long distance depressive
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5:57pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Southern Exile says...

CityRealist wrote:
For me the key to playing 433 is the full backs providing width and an extra attacking option. Fyfield has shown he can do that in the past but is no doubt struggling for form though we don't seem to have too many other options at left back. Parslow, for all his endeavour and workrate is never going to provide that width or attacking option. So put Obeng back to right back and Paddy Mac into midfield. Maybe give O'Connell or Allen a go at left back. I don't think it needs wholesale change, just a tweak and a couple good performances we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.
This I agree with, I would have gone with Obeng at RB on Sat and brought Paddy into MFD, kept the CB's the same...LB is an issue though... Can Allen play there? I would prefer to keep O'Connell in the middle with Danny P at the moment, good comment earlier about pressing higher up the pitch on Tues and dropping too deep with Chris Smith... I'm not advocating throwing everything out, just some acceptance that change is needed.
[quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: For me the key to playing 433 is the full backs providing width and an extra attacking option. Fyfield has shown he can do that in the past but is no doubt struggling for form though we don't seem to have too many other options at left back. Parslow, for all his endeavour and workrate is never going to provide that width or attacking option. So put Obeng back to right back and Paddy Mac into midfield. Maybe give O'Connell or Allen a go at left back. I don't think it needs wholesale change, just a tweak and a couple good performances we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.[/p][/quote]This I agree with, I would have gone with Obeng at RB on Sat and brought Paddy into MFD, kept the CB's the same...LB is an issue though... Can Allen play there? I would prefer to keep O'Connell in the middle with Danny P at the moment, good comment earlier about pressing higher up the pitch on Tues and dropping too deep with Chris Smith... I'm not advocating throwing everything out, just some acceptance that change is needed. Southern Exile
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6:05pm Mon 18 Feb 13

CityRealist says...

I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really?
I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really? CityRealist
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6:06pm Mon 18 Feb 13

haxbyreds says...

I'd stick with Mills but starting to think he is turning arrogant,we do not want him to change the system because that is how the team plays its about changing the system after 60 mins or so to give the opposition something to worry about,yes maybe going 442 or bloody 460 like Spain but try something because our home form is terrible and need to mix it up,I think mills is a good manager and the diamond system is great to watch but only when the right players are picked,since Chambers got injured it has not worked plus Blair has been struggling,most fans have been slagging Walker off but he needs them 2 around him,you could replace him with Messi and he would struggle with no one supporting him,this is what upsets me when it's not working and no change by management of the system,
I'd stick with Mills but starting to think he is turning arrogant,we do not want him to change the system because that is how the team plays its about changing the system after 60 mins or so to give the opposition something to worry about,yes maybe going 442 or bloody 460 like Spain but try something because our home form is terrible and need to mix it up,I think mills is a good manager and the diamond system is great to watch but only when the right players are picked,since Chambers got injured it has not worked plus Blair has been struggling,most fans have been slagging Walker off but he needs them 2 around him,you could replace him with Messi and he would struggle with no one supporting him,this is what upsets me when it's not working and no change by management of the system, haxbyreds
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6:10pm Mon 18 Feb 13

CityRealist says...

Southern Exile wrote:
CityRealist wrote: For me the key to playing 433 is the full backs providing width and an extra attacking option. Fyfield has shown he can do that in the past but is no doubt struggling for form though we don't seem to have too many other options at left back. Parslow, for all his endeavour and workrate is never going to provide that width or attacking option. So put Obeng back to right back and Paddy Mac into midfield. Maybe give O'Connell or Allen a go at left back. I don't think it needs wholesale change, just a tweak and a couple good performances we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.
This I agree with, I would have gone with Obeng at RB on Sat and brought Paddy into MFD, kept the CB's the same...LB is an issue though... Can Allen play there? I would prefer to keep O'Connell in the middle with Danny P at the moment, good comment earlier about pressing higher up the pitch on Tues and dropping too deep with Chris Smith... I'm not advocating throwing everything out, just some acceptance that change is needed.
Agreed, I'd have gone with that same team. We have to sort the full back situation out otherwise the 433 I accept looks predictable. We don't have too many options at left back hence maybe Allen or O'Connell, though O'Connell has looked pretty steady at CB.
[quote][p][bold]Southern Exile[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: For me the key to playing 433 is the full backs providing width and an extra attacking option. Fyfield has shown he can do that in the past but is no doubt struggling for form though we don't seem to have too many other options at left back. Parslow, for all his endeavour and workrate is never going to provide that width or attacking option. So put Obeng back to right back and Paddy Mac into midfield. Maybe give O'Connell or Allen a go at left back. I don't think it needs wholesale change, just a tweak and a couple good performances we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.[/p][/quote]This I agree with, I would have gone with Obeng at RB on Sat and brought Paddy into MFD, kept the CB's the same...LB is an issue though... Can Allen play there? I would prefer to keep O'Connell in the middle with Danny P at the moment, good comment earlier about pressing higher up the pitch on Tues and dropping too deep with Chris Smith... I'm not advocating throwing everything out, just some acceptance that change is needed.[/p][/quote]Agreed, I'd have gone with that same team. We have to sort the full back situation out otherwise the 433 I accept looks predictable. We don't have too many options at left back hence maybe Allen or O'Connell, though O'Connell has looked pretty steady at CB. CityRealist
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6:21pm Mon 18 Feb 13

goreds says...

Millsy has principles and stands by them.
IMO he is still the man for City.
His passing game has transformed City.
I'd rathe have a strong man in charge rather than one that bounces from one headline to another.
If I was Chairman I'd back him 100%.
A change now would be suicidal ,not to say ,expensive.
Lead on Millsy.
Millsy has principles and stands by them. IMO he is still the man for City. His passing game has transformed City. I'd rathe have a strong man in charge rather than one that bounces from one headline to another. If I was Chairman I'd back him 100%. A change now would be suicidal ,not to say ,expensive. Lead on Millsy. goreds
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6:26pm Mon 18 Feb 13

wildthing666 says...

Gray Mills England manager "We're going to play 4-3- F****N' 3"

Is the squad capable of adapting to a 4-4-2 during a game if not then new player need to be brought in at some point, if the manager is unwilling then he is too predictable so becomes easy to plan against.
Gray Mills England manager "We're going to play 4-3- F****N' 3" Is the squad capable of adapting to a 4-4-2 during a game if not then new player need to be brought in at some point, if the manager is unwilling then he is too predictable so becomes easy to plan against. wildthing666
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6:41pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Dortmun says...

QUOTED BY GM
"The problem we have got is that we are giving goals away at this moment in time but, if the chairman wants a 4-4-2 manager, then I'm proud of what I have done at this club," Mills told The Press.

THE PRESS REPORTS THAT

GARY Mills has told York City chairman Jason McGill he might have to look for a new manager if he wants the team to play 4-4-2.

So has he told Mcgill that or have his words being twisted?
QUOTED BY GM "The problem we have got is that we are giving goals away at this moment in time but, if the chairman wants a 4-4-2 manager, then I'm proud of what I have done at this club," Mills told The Press. THE PRESS REPORTS THAT GARY Mills has told York City chairman Jason McGill he might have to look for a new manager if he wants the team to play 4-4-2. So has he told Mcgill that or have his words being twisted? Dortmun
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6:43pm Mon 18 Feb 13

duffy says...

Dortmun wrote:
QUOTED BY GM
"The problem we have got is that we are giving goals away at this moment in time but, if the chairman wants a 4-4-2 manager, then I'm proud of what I have done at this club," Mills told The Press.

THE PRESS REPORTS THAT

GARY Mills has told York City chairman Jason McGill he might have to look for a new manager if he wants the team to play 4-4-2.

So has he told Mcgill that or have his words being twisted?
The first quote is probably nearer the mark.
[quote][p][bold]Dortmun[/bold] wrote: QUOTED BY GM "The problem we have got is that we are giving goals away at this moment in time but, if the chairman wants a 4-4-2 manager, then I'm proud of what I have done at this club," Mills told The Press. THE PRESS REPORTS THAT GARY Mills has told York City chairman Jason McGill he might have to look for a new manager if he wants the team to play 4-4-2. So has he told Mcgill that or have his words being twisted?[/p][/quote]The first quote is probably nearer the mark. duffy
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7:09pm Mon 18 Feb 13

yorkie42 says...

It might help if GM took the trouble to explain to the fans the technical reasons why he thinks 433 works better than 442. Pesonally I don't think the problem is the formation, (plenty of other teams, including England, are playing 433) - it's that the players he has are just not good enough. Having said that, it must now be worth shaking things up a bit by trying another shape, and changing one or two players around. I also support Middlesbrough, who are also in freefall. Ironically their fans are slating Tony Mowbray for changing tactics and players every week insteadof sticking to a more rigid shape. If you're a manager, you cant please the fans unless you have good enough players to win regularly regardless of tactics. GM's big mistake has been not to sign a LB (Fyfield isn't good enough to play netball), and someone with a goal scoring record who can head the ball.
It might help if GM took the trouble to explain to the fans the technical reasons why he thinks 433 works better than 442. Pesonally I don't think the problem is the formation, (plenty of other teams, including England, are playing 433) - it's that the players he has are just not good enough. Having said that, it must now be worth shaking things up a bit by trying another shape, and changing one or two players around. I also support Middlesbrough, who are also in freefall. Ironically their fans are slating Tony Mowbray for changing tactics and players every week insteadof sticking to a more rigid shape. If you're a manager, you cant please the fans unless you have good enough players to win regularly regardless of tactics. GM's big mistake has been not to sign a LB (Fyfield isn't good enough to play netball), and someone with a goal scoring record who can head the ball. yorkie42
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7:19pm Mon 18 Feb 13

YCFC am byth says...

goreds wrote:
Millsy has principles and stands by them.
IMO he is still the man for City.
His passing game has transformed City.
I'd rathe have a strong man in charge rather than one that bounces from one headline to another.
If I was Chairman I'd back him 100%.
A change now would be suicidal ,not to say ,expensive.
Lead on Millsy.
I agree with goreds. We need to standby Millsy. Yes emotions are high as we all love city.Yes Millsy is arrogant and his media skills are not the best. Yes we are having our first real bad patch under him but he got us here - back into league2 with the absolute delight of stuffing luton in the process. We need to be positive and stop this negative spiral and get behind millsy and the boys. If we don't then we will end up in a bad situation. All teams have bad spells / luck and ours will change soon hopefully starting at Oxford. COYR
[quote][p][bold]goreds[/bold] wrote: Millsy has principles and stands by them. IMO he is still the man for City. His passing game has transformed City. I'd rathe have a strong man in charge rather than one that bounces from one headline to another. If I was Chairman I'd back him 100%. A change now would be suicidal ,not to say ,expensive. Lead on Millsy.[/p][/quote]I agree with goreds. We need to standby Millsy. Yes emotions are high as we all love city.Yes Millsy is arrogant and his media skills are not the best. Yes we are having our first real bad patch under him but he got us here - back into league2 with the absolute delight of stuffing luton in the process. We need to be positive and stop this negative spiral and get behind millsy and the boys. If we don't then we will end up in a bad situation. All teams have bad spells / luck and ours will change soon hopefully starting at Oxford. COYR YCFC am byth
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8:02pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Mad for Minstermen says...

I'm with Duffy and southern exile, first comment by city realist was Garbage, change your handle to cityunrealist as in the current climate we will be building a new stadium for conference footie. As for Al-YCFC, I've spent hundreds of pounds watching city over 45 years. Yes Mills has to go now, not proud to say it, but living in the real world, following the gaffers own admissions, he ain't going to change it, so it has to be changed for him.
I'm with Duffy and southern exile, first comment by city realist was Garbage, change your handle to cityunrealist as in the current climate we will be building a new stadium for conference footie. As for Al-YCFC, I've spent hundreds of pounds watching city over 45 years. Yes Mills has to go now, not proud to say it, but living in the real world, following the gaffers own admissions, he ain't going to change it, so it has to be changed for him. Mad for Minstermen
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8:04pm Mon 18 Feb 13

david simpson1 says...

Gary Mills you are here to manage, get on with the job.
Your comment to the chairman should have been kept in house and not public.
For all you people that want to replace
GM, the man has stated he is going to sort it out, let him do the job.
Don't forget he got you out of Blue Square, I am sure it's not in his mind to take you back.
One point to GM when you talk to York Press, just give them one minute and stop repeating your self. The last manager was always repeating himself.
DAVE.
Gary Mills you are here to manage, get on with the job. Your comment to the chairman should have been kept in house and not public. For all you people that want to replace GM, the man has stated he is going to sort it out, let him do the job. Don't forget he got you out of Blue Square, I am sure it's not in his mind to take you back. One point to GM when you talk to York Press, just give them one minute and stop repeating your self. The last manager was always repeating himself. DAVE. david simpson1
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8:12pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Peppa07 says...

Koala wrote:
I have no objection to Mills sticking with 433 if he believes in this system. However I am concerned that the team are not performing the basics well and to some extent this is down to the coaching staff. Mills should not be surprised that the second goal was gifted. It is down to the fact that York are slow and predictable at all set pieces. They only have one ploy at throw ins and it takes an age for them to employ it. Ingham is simply not aware of what is available at goal kicks and allows the opposition to reorganise at will. Contrast this with Barnet on Saturday who seemed to have lots of options at throw-ins and on numerous occasions had passed the ball out at goal kicks before City players had turned around.
Continue to play 433 Gary but sort out the basics, be less predictable, play players in positions where they are comfortable and make sure they are alert and responsive when the ball is out of play and not looking for a rest!
Spot on, Koala. I think including last season and the start of this we went about thirty five games without scoring from a corner!!!! As for throw-ins, it's true, little variation, though McGrath may have brought something different. He looked decent in the last two games. So, yes, one thing Mills is right about: the loan players are doing okay. It's our own players who've not been performing.
[quote][p][bold]Koala[/bold] wrote: I have no objection to Mills sticking with 433 if he believes in this system. However I am concerned that the team are not performing the basics well and to some extent this is down to the coaching staff. Mills should not be surprised that the second goal was gifted. It is down to the fact that York are slow and predictable at all set pieces. They only have one ploy at throw ins and it takes an age for them to employ it. Ingham is simply not aware of what is available at goal kicks and allows the opposition to reorganise at will. Contrast this with Barnet on Saturday who seemed to have lots of options at throw-ins and on numerous occasions had passed the ball out at goal kicks before City players had turned around. Continue to play 433 Gary but sort out the basics, be less predictable, play players in positions where they are comfortable and make sure they are alert and responsive when the ball is out of play and not looking for a rest![/p][/quote]Spot on, Koala. I think including last season and the start of this we went about thirty five games without scoring from a corner!!!! As for throw-ins, it's true, little variation, though McGrath may have brought something different. He looked decent in the last two games. So, yes, one thing Mills is right about: the loan players are doing okay. It's our own players who've not been performing. Peppa07
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8:28pm Mon 18 Feb 13

neutral observer 2 says...

CityRealist wrote:
I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really?
yep really .
the majority of comments come from people who watch MotD and quote annual failures like Liverpool as their 'second team'.
York is littered with clueless sheep.
I'm just upset I couldn't blame the local council officials for this poor patch.
[quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really?[/p][/quote]yep really . the majority of comments come from people who watch MotD and quote annual failures like Liverpool as their 'second team'. York is littered with clueless sheep. I'm just upset I couldn't blame the local council officials for this poor patch. neutral observer 2
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8:31pm Mon 18 Feb 13

rupertbehr says...

Oh Dear ! Gary, Gary, ....
Alienating your loyal fan base (and we are a dwindling # ) is not a good move.

4-4-2 / 4-3-3 who gives a s***
But we really do need to combat those
who come to stifle us.
Oh Dear ! Gary, Gary, .... Alienating your loyal fan base (and we are a dwindling # ) is not a good move. 4-4-2 / 4-3-3 who gives a s*** But we really do need to combat those who come to stifle us. rupertbehr
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8:36pm Mon 18 Feb 13

thirsky says...

Changing the manager may mean a new manager with the same 433 phylosophy so no change there. The players cannot be changed so a new manager is stuck with the same players. What a new manager may do is try out some of the new players recently signed which Mills seems reluctant to do. Like him or not but his record of signings has been poor and a complete of waste of the clubs resources.
Changing the manager may mean a new manager with the same 433 phylosophy so no change there. The players cannot be changed so a new manager is stuck with the same players. What a new manager may do is try out some of the new players recently signed which Mills seems reluctant to do. Like him or not but his record of signings has been poor and a complete of waste of the clubs resources. thirsky
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8:40pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Mad for Minstermen says...

neutral observer 2 wrote:
CityRealist wrote:
I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really?
yep really .
the majority of comments come from people who watch MotD and quote annual failures like Liverpool as their 'second team'.
York is littered with clueless sheep.
I'm just upset I couldn't blame the local council officials for this poor patch.
I'm with you wholeheartedly. Now he says he's going to sort it...what about the preceding matches where he had the chance to sort it but didn't?
[quote][p][bold]neutral observer 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really?[/p][/quote]yep really . the majority of comments come from people who watch MotD and quote annual failures like Liverpool as their 'second team'. York is littered with clueless sheep. I'm just upset I couldn't blame the local council officials for this poor patch.[/p][/quote]I'm with you wholeheartedly. Now he says he's going to sort it...what about the preceding matches where he had the chance to sort it but didn't? Mad for Minstermen
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9:06pm Mon 18 Feb 13

bill bailey says...

I have just heard the Swindon manager has resigned ( Paolo Di Canio ) i wonder where he will go,not Plymouth.
Aldershot,or Wimbledon i hope.
I have just heard the Swindon manager has resigned ( Paolo Di Canio ) i wonder where he will go,not Plymouth. Aldershot,or Wimbledon i hope. bill bailey
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9:16pm Mon 18 Feb 13

eldewsio says...

Cant we just all calm down, Lets not deny things are not going well but and its a big BUT we are not relegated yet, not in the relegation zone, not doomed as you would believe.
Yes GM is an arrogant F**ker, Just look at Chasing Rainbows York City on youtube when Buckle goes to shake his hand and GM is thinking he is nailed to a cross and immortal, That shows how he is. Yes he loves our 2nd to worst player in C Smith, plays him every game and the other players dont like him, BUT we dont know what is going on behind the scenes, Maybe Jason is now growing a pair and wants a plan x,y,z and Millsys has **** himself, like he says he is finding it very difficult, BUT he loves the club, loves the City and with a swift kick in the **** say ok Mr Chairman leave it with me its sorted, He can not make decisions from press websites, So for all our sanity and our Fantastic YCFC Calm down.
KEEP THE FAITH
Cant we just all calm down, Lets not deny things are not going well but and its a big BUT we are not relegated yet, not in the relegation zone, not doomed as you would believe. Yes GM is an arrogant F**ker, Just look at Chasing Rainbows York City on youtube when Buckle goes to shake his hand and GM is thinking he is nailed to a cross and immortal, That shows how he is. Yes he loves our 2nd to worst player in C Smith, plays him every game and the other players dont like him, BUT we dont know what is going on behind the scenes, Maybe Jason is now growing a pair and wants a plan x,y,z and Millsys has **** himself, like he says he is finding it very difficult, BUT he loves the club, loves the City and with a swift kick in the **** say ok Mr Chairman leave it with me its sorted, He can not make decisions from press websites, So for all our sanity and our Fantastic YCFC Calm down. KEEP THE FAITH eldewsio
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9:35pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Daley Mayall says...

So we have to put up with the same old, same old 4-5-1 do we, Gary (4-3-3 my a**e!) ?...

....that means the oppo will be well aware of what they'll be facing in games against YCFC....

...and as it's not working presently, there's only one way we're heading - out of the FL.

The guy must surely be fooling us all and laughing at the local media buying into these soundbites. He is joking, isn't he? Because if he is absolutely serious, the statement smacks of arrogance on a grand scale.

Evolve and be flexible or we'll die, Mr Mills, and show a bit of humility before it's too late!!
So we have to put up with the same old, same old 4-5-1 do we, Gary (4-3-3 my a**e!) ?... ....that means the oppo will be well aware of what they'll be facing in games against YCFC.... ...and as it's not working presently, there's only one way we're heading - out of the FL. The guy must surely be fooling us all and laughing at the local media buying into these soundbites. He is joking, isn't he? Because if he is absolutely serious, the statement smacks of arrogance on a grand scale. Evolve and be flexible or we'll die, Mr Mills, and show a bit of humility before it's too late!! Daley Mayall
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10:09pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Helliwell's Not a Donkey says...

CityRealist wrote:
I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really?
The difficult patch started in at the beginning of November. 3 wins in 20 is not promtion form in my eyes, it's relegation. Out of our remaining games I cannot see where our next win will come from. I think April 1st Plymouth at home and April 6th Accrington at home are massive games and we need to win both.

Also I thing we got caught up in the the "Crawley/Stevenage going straight up after promotion bandwagon". They had bigger budgets than us. Look at all the other promoted teams before us, they have all stayed in Div2.
[quote][p][bold]CityRealist[/bold] wrote: I think we seriously need a reality check here: We spent six and half miserable seasons in the conference playing largely turgid football before Mills arrived. A season and a half later we were FA Trophy winners, back in the football league and playing attractive football. Now, in our first season back as a league team where survival is all that matters, we started the season well, but are having a difficult patch and sat in seventeenth, seven points clear of relegation. And yet many posters on here are calling for Mills to be sacked. Really?[/p][/quote]The difficult patch started in at the beginning of November. 3 wins in 20 is not promtion form in my eyes, it's relegation. Out of our remaining games I cannot see where our next win will come from. I think April 1st Plymouth at home and April 6th Accrington at home are massive games and we need to win both. Also I thing we got caught up in the the "Crawley/Stevenage going straight up after promotion bandwagon". They had bigger budgets than us. Look at all the other promoted teams before us, they have all stayed in Div2. Helliwell's Not a Donkey
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10:16pm Mon 18 Feb 13

barcooter says...

yorkviking wrote:
Some people are unbelievably naive. You really think changing to 4-4-2 will magically solve everything, all of our problems? Why would we concede less playing like that? Mills is right, we would have let in more - no holding player, easier for teams to get through the middle against us. It's about how well the players are playing in their roles, and most of them are doing badly right now. Mills is wrong about a lot fo things he has done recently, like the whole Chris Smith thing and some of his absurd team selections. But just changing to 4-4-2 will not suddenly solve evrything. People who think it will are the ones with absolutely no mind for tactics at all, they don't understand football.
Playing 433 requires technically gifted holding midfielders which we don't have. We just get out-muscled. 442 is the only option in this league without the right players.
[quote][p][bold]yorkviking[/bold] wrote: Some people are unbelievably naive. You really think changing to 4-4-2 will magically solve everything, all of our problems? Why would we concede less playing like that? Mills is right, we would have let in more - no holding player, easier for teams to get through the middle against us. It's about how well the players are playing in their roles, and most of them are doing badly right now. Mills is wrong about a lot fo things he has done recently, like the whole Chris Smith thing and some of his absurd team selections. But just changing to 4-4-2 will not suddenly solve evrything. People who think it will are the ones with absolutely no mind for tactics at all, they don't understand football.[/p][/quote]Playing 433 requires technically gifted holding midfielders which we don't have. We just get out-muscled. 442 is the only option in this league without the right players. barcooter
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10:22pm Mon 18 Feb 13

PhilR@Strike says...

Really worried about going to see another lack luster performance at Oxford this Saturday. Seriously don't think I would stomatch another game like the Wycombe game!
Please don't screw this one up Gary or the players please! Make the traveling supporters proud! Let get a grip!
Gary get the tactics right and give your players a chance? No more leaving Walker up front on his own **** in the wind! Play your strongest team and not all your mates.
Really worried about going to see another lack luster performance at Oxford this Saturday. Seriously don't think I would stomatch another game like the Wycombe game! Please don't screw this one up Gary or the players please! Make the traveling supporters proud! Let get a grip! Gary get the tactics right and give your players a chance? No more leaving Walker up front on his own **** in the wind! Play your strongest team and not all your mates. PhilR@Strike
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10:33pm Mon 18 Feb 13

barcooter says...

barcooter wrote:
yorkviking wrote:
Some people are unbelievably naive. You really think changing to 4-4-2 will magically solve everything, all of our problems? Why would we concede less playing like that? Mills is right, we would have let in more - no holding player, easier for teams to get through the middle against us. It's about how well the players are playing in their roles, and most of them are doing badly right now. Mills is wrong about a lot fo things he has done recently, like the whole Chris Smith thing and some of his absurd team selections. But just changing to 4-4-2 will not suddenly solve evrything. People who think it will are the ones with absolutely no mind for tactics at all, they don't understand football.
Playing 433 requires technically gifted holding midfielders which we don't have. We just get out-muscled. 442 is the only option in this league without the right players.
p.s. it only worked half the time last season against a load of sh&t teams.
[quote][p][bold]barcooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkviking[/bold] wrote: Some people are unbelievably naive. You really think changing to 4-4-2 will magically solve everything, all of our problems? Why would we concede less playing like that? Mills is right, we would have let in more - no holding player, easier for teams to get through the middle against us. It's about how well the players are playing in their roles, and most of them are doing badly right now. Mills is wrong about a lot fo things he has done recently, like the whole Chris Smith thing and some of his absurd team selections. But just changing to 4-4-2 will not suddenly solve evrything. People who think it will are the ones with absolutely no mind for tactics at all, they don't understand football.[/p][/quote]Playing 433 requires technically gifted holding midfielders which we don't have. We just get out-muscled. 442 is the only option in this league without the right players.[/p][/quote]p.s. it only worked half the time last season against a load of sh&t teams. barcooter
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10:47pm Mon 18 Feb 13

pitch bull says...

Or could it be that gary mills is using psychology by making him the story at present during a bad spell for the players? Only time will tell but 4 wins from 13 is more than achievable.
Or could it be that gary mills is using psychology by making him the story at present during a bad spell for the players? Only time will tell but 4 wins from 13 is more than achievable. pitch bull
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5:41am Tue 19 Feb 13

YCFC115 says...

He might as well stick two fingers up to the fans and the Chairman at the same time.

Who does he think he is? That said, i do like him but he is beginning to annoy me now. His stubborn approach reminds me of Craig, what a relationship that would of been?

I suppose this approach does away from any tactics, team talks, watching opponents because all the players must know the system inside out by now besides the constant amount of loan players. Plus it proves that he will never make it as a football league manager. I fear he will die by his sword i just hope he doesnt take YCFC with him.
He might as well stick two fingers up to the fans and the Chairman at the same time. Who does he think he is? That said, i do like him but he is beginning to annoy me now. His stubborn approach reminds me of Craig, what a relationship that would of been? I suppose this approach does away from any tactics, team talks, watching opponents because all the players must know the system inside out by now besides the constant amount of loan players. Plus it proves that he will never make it as a football league manager. I fear he will die by his sword i just hope he doesnt take YCFC with him. YCFC115
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10:30am Tue 19 Feb 13

Mad for Minstermen says...

Makes me laugh the amount of posts on here picking their team and tactics. One blokes getting paid a load of dosh for doing that......badly! C'mon Millsy, have a heart and walk the walk. He will walk straight into another job as failing managers normally do, so happy clappers need not weep too long for him. Fresh blood at the helm, new ideas, motivate the players and kick on.
Makes me laugh the amount of posts on here picking their team and tactics. One blokes getting paid a load of dosh for doing that......badly! C'mon Millsy, have a heart and walk the walk. He will walk straight into another job as failing managers normally do, so happy clappers need not weep too long for him. Fresh blood at the helm, new ideas, motivate the players and kick on. Mad for Minstermen
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10:46am Tue 19 Feb 13

goreds says...

Celebrating 48 years as a happy clapper .
Plus singing and shouting and often miserable clapper.
What the hell is a happy clapper at
Bootham Crescent ?

ps Millsy is to City what Fergie Is to MUFC. This is a temporary hiccup.
WE WONT GO DOWN - THE SQUAD IS TOO STRONG AND THE MANANER WOULD NOT ALLOW IT.
Celebrating 48 years as a happy clapper . Plus singing and shouting and often miserable clapper. What the hell is a happy clapper at Bootham Crescent ? ps Millsy is to City what Fergie Is to MUFC. This is a temporary hiccup. WE WONT GO DOWN - THE SQUAD IS TOO STRONG AND THE MANANER WOULD NOT ALLOW IT. goreds
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11:56am Tue 19 Feb 13

garnham says...

goreds wrote:
Celebrating 48 years as a happy clapper .
Plus singing and shouting and often miserable clapper.
What the hell is a happy clapper at
Bootham Crescent ?

ps Millsy is to City what Fergie Is to MUFC. This is a temporary hiccup.
WE WONT GO DOWN - THE SQUAD IS TOO STRONG AND THE MANANER WOULD NOT ALLOW IT.
Agree with you goreds we need a strong manager & Gary is just that !!
Sure many will have their opinion but as I have stated before Gary has walked the walk as far as pro football is concerned. He has a pedigree that no other previous City manager could have a claim to
We all should be proud that this guy wants to promote our city & our club.
[quote][p][bold]goreds[/bold] wrote: Celebrating 48 years as a happy clapper . Plus singing and shouting and often miserable clapper. What the hell is a happy clapper at Bootham Crescent ? ps Millsy is to City what Fergie Is to MUFC. This is a temporary hiccup. WE WONT GO DOWN - THE SQUAD IS TOO STRONG AND THE MANANER WOULD NOT ALLOW IT.[/p][/quote]Agree with you goreds we need a strong manager & Gary is just that !! Sure many will have their opinion but as I have stated before Gary has walked the walk as far as pro football is concerned. He has a pedigree that no other previous City manager could have a claim to We all should be proud that this guy wants to promote our city & our club. garnham
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12:00pm Tue 19 Feb 13

PhilR@Strike says...

Agree!
Putting my neck out and gong to Saturdays game at Oxford.
Please dont dissappoint Guys! :)
Agree! Putting my neck out and gong to Saturdays game at Oxford. Please dont dissappoint Guys! :) PhilR@Strike
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1:18pm Tue 19 Feb 13

redwhiteblue says...

Never mind the formation - 4.3.3 - 4.5.1 all we should be asking for is three points and a win - don't care if it's ugly - just give us three points please Gary
Never mind the formation - 4.3.3 - 4.5.1 all we should be asking for is three points and a win - don't care if it's ugly - just give us three points please Gary redwhiteblue
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1:25pm Tue 19 Feb 13

YoRkIe59 says...

famous last words we are too good to go down.my goodness how times have teams thought that.im not saying we will i desperatley hope we dont but lets not kid ourselves we are too good to go down.
famous last words we are too good to go down.my goodness how times have teams thought that.im not saying we will i desperatley hope we dont but lets not kid ourselves we are too good to go down. YoRkIe59
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2:00pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Dr Brian says...

The sad thing about Mills comments is he is proving he has no plan B. He is telling the opposition he will play the same formation every match, he won't adapt the team formation according to the opposition. They have a head start on us already.

Strikes me Mills is just a succesful non league manager and cannot hack it at football league level as his record here at York in the FL is showing. I think he also won only 10 out of the 40 games he managed when at Notts County.

Nice guy succesful non league manager so if we are going to hang on to him we may as well do so next season if he takes us down.
The sad thing about Mills comments is he is proving he has no plan B. He is telling the opposition he will play the same formation every match, he won't adapt the team formation according to the opposition. They have a head start on us already. Strikes me Mills is just a succesful non league manager and cannot hack it at football league level as his record here at York in the FL is showing. I think he also won only 10 out of the 40 games he managed when at Notts County. Nice guy succesful non league manager so if we are going to hang on to him we may as well do so next season if he takes us down. Dr Brian
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2:10pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Southern Exile says...

97
97 Southern Exile
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3:13pm Tue 19 Feb 13

walterwark says...

8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else.
Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!
8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break! walterwark
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4:19pm Tue 19 Feb 13

andy jamo says...

99
99 andy jamo
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4:21pm Tue 19 Feb 13

circuitous route dorset says...

walterwark wrote:
8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else.
Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!
Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.
[quote][p][bold]walterwark[/bold] wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break![/p][/quote]Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out. circuitous route dorset
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4:21pm Tue 19 Feb 13

openallhours says...

100
100 openallhours
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4:50pm Tue 19 Feb 13

redbluelion says...

circuitous route dorset wrote:
walterwark wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!
Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.
the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up.
[quote][p][bold]circuitous route dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]walterwark[/bold] wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break![/p][/quote]Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.[/p][/quote]the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up. redbluelion
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6:04pm Tue 19 Feb 13

walterwark says...

redbluelion wrote:
circuitous route dorset wrote:
walterwark wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!
Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.
the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up.
Don't make me laugh!!! the only reason that Gary Mills is here is 'for the money'....Haaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
How much do you think he is getting?? Give your head a shake. Be dissatisfied with results but GET REAL!
[quote][p][bold]redbluelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]circuitous route dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]walterwark[/bold] wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break![/p][/quote]Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.[/p][/quote]the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up.[/p][/quote]Don't make me laugh!!! the only reason that Gary Mills is here is 'for the money'....Haaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! How much do you think he is getting?? Give your head a shake. Be dissatisfied with results but GET REAL! walterwark
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6:49pm Tue 19 Feb 13

redbluelion says...

walterwark wrote:
redbluelion wrote:
circuitous route dorset wrote:
walterwark wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!
Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.
the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up.
Don't make me laugh!!! the only reason that Gary Mills is here is 'for the money'....Haaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! How much do you think he is getting?? Give your head a shake. Be dissatisfied with results but GET REAL!
why else would he be here..its not for the love of york city is it...we are not a major league team are we..he says he loves york city..well for me he dosn't give a **** about the club..if the club goes down he will just move on to another club and say the same words he said here..he an idiot taking us back down and some of you idiot fans can't see it you still think the sun shines out of his ****..when you gonna wake up out of the never ending story of gary mills and realize hes wrong man for the job..
[quote][p][bold]walterwark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbluelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]circuitous route dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]walterwark[/bold] wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break![/p][/quote]Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.[/p][/quote]the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up.[/p][/quote]Don't make me laugh!!! the only reason that Gary Mills is here is 'for the money'....Haaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! How much do you think he is getting?? Give your head a shake. Be dissatisfied with results but GET REAL![/p][/quote]why else would he be here..its not for the love of york city is it...we are not a major league team are we..he says he loves york city..well for me he dosn't give a **** about the club..if the club goes down he will just move on to another club and say the same words he said here..he an idiot taking us back down and some of you idiot fans can't see it you still think the sun shines out of his ****..when you gonna wake up out of the never ending story of gary mills and realize hes wrong man for the job.. redbluelion
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7:39pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Realistic ycfc says...

redbluelion wrote:
walterwark wrote:
redbluelion wrote:
circuitous route dorset wrote:
walterwark wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break!
Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.
the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up.
Don't make me laugh!!! the only reason that Gary Mills is here is 'for the money'....Haaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! How much do you think he is getting?? Give your head a shake. Be dissatisfied with results but GET REAL!
why else would he be here..its not for the love of york city is it...we are not a major league team are we..he says he loves york city..well for me he dosn't give a **** about the club..if the club goes down he will just move on to another club and say the same words he said here..he an idiot taking us back down and some of you idiot fans can't see it you still think the sun shines out of his ****..when you gonna wake up out of the never ending story of gary mills and realize hes wrong man for the job..
After praising him for months and months I am starting to doubt GM as our manager but what a load of rubbish that quote is about him only been here for money, if he is money motivated he will be luton manager by the end of the week
[quote][p][bold]redbluelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]walterwark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbluelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]circuitous route dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]walterwark[/bold] wrote: 8 games without a win is trying for the fans, but remember where you have come from and the successes brought to the club by this manager, feats which arguably could not be achieved by anyone else. Gary Mills is a man of integrity, honesty and knowledge. This poor run of results will hurt him more than anyone as he cares passionately about York City. He will be working tirelessly to rectify this problem and the players need to stand up too and show some pride and commitment. Give him a break![/p][/quote]Well said - if only I believed this. The lack of tactical nouse this season is astonishing and unforgivable.The players are not standing up cause they are played out of place and have no idea from week to week whether they are in or out.[/p][/quote]the only reason gary mills is here is for the money.as soon as a better job comes along he will be off..no such thing as him loving york city fc..he just works here he will say crap like thats and it for fools like you to to believe it or knot.some fans are so deluded ..makes me wanna throw up.[/p][/quote]Don't make me laugh!!! the only reason that Gary Mills is here is 'for the money'....Haaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! How much do you think he is getting?? Give your head a shake. Be dissatisfied with results but GET REAL![/p][/quote]why else would he be here..its not for the love of york city is it...we are not a major league team are we..he says he loves york city..well for me he dosn't give a **** about the club..if the club goes down he will just move on to another club and say the same words he said here..he an idiot taking us back down and some of you idiot fans can't see it you still think the sun shines out of his ****..when you gonna wake up out of the never ending story of gary mills and realize hes wrong man for the job..[/p][/quote]After praising him for months and months I am starting to doubt GM as our manager but what a load of rubbish that quote is about him only been here for money, if he is money motivated he will be luton manager by the end of the week Realistic ycfc
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