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York City beaten 2-0 at Plymouth Argyle in npower League Two
5:12pm Saturday 8th December 2012 in Sport
GOALS in the last minute of each half saw York City crash 2-0 at Plymouth Argyle in npower League Two.
A Jamal Fyfield own goal on the stroke of half-time put the Minstermen on the back foot at Argyle's Home Park base.
Second-half substitute Chadwick then made sure of the points with a second goal on 90 minutes.
Gary Mills' City side are now 14th in the League Two table, six points off the play-off places and nine clear of the relegation zone.
Comments(71)
BruceBenton
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5:21pm Sat 8 Dec 12
Burkett swish pack
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5:25pm Sat 8 Dec 12
There's only one thing for it before we slide back to the "district pub league".
What do we think ?
Anybody know Dennis Smith's mobile number ?
I see Smith scored for the "coin chuckers"
Hey ho here's the local league derby with Harrogate, town or railway ?
And just to finish on......
We're all doomed.
redbluelion
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5:31pm Sat 8 Dec 12
YorkCityLuke
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5:40pm Sat 8 Dec 12
PhilR@Strike
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5:42pm Sat 8 Dec 12
headhunter100
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5:43pm Sat 8 Dec 12
bartsimmo
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5:43pm Sat 8 Dec 12
If I was Potts I would hope to leave the club along with Reed and go to a team where your services will be idolised on a weekly basis. The two of them only get 60 minute chances to perform after a great performance unlike the managers love children who when dropped are really just so he can rest them but he makes out he is giving the others a chance.
Sorry Mr Mills but your cards could be marked unless you start treating all the players fairly.
Ycfc85
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5:51pm Sat 8 Dec 12
PhilR@Strike
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5:52pm Sat 8 Dec 12
redbluelion
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6:03pm Sat 8 Dec 12
A Bottom
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6:10pm Sat 8 Dec 12
A Bottom
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6:19pm Sat 8 Dec 12
bartsimmo wrote:What a load of Rubbish!!!!!!!!
we will never amount to anything in the league with a team of conference players, whilst decent league players are farmed out on loan, credible goalscorers sat on the bench week after week whilst misfirers still maintain their places, utilising an increasingly unsuccessful formation that the manager is too stubborn to ditch.
If I was Potts I would hope to leave the club along with Reed and go to a team where your services will be idolised on a weekly basis. The two of them only get 60 minute chances to perform after a great performance unlike the managers love children who when dropped are really just so he can rest them but he makes out he is giving the others a chance.
Sorry Mr Mills but your cards could be marked unless you start treating all the players fairly.
bill bailey
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6:22pm Sat 8 Dec 12
roobarb85
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6:37pm Sat 8 Dec 12
Evidence, your honour?
Exhibit 1 : inability (yet again) to score against a team that has let in loads (just as with Wimbledon and 10 man Northampton)
Exhibit 2: Player comes into team for first time in the season and scores twice in his first half of play. His reward - carping comments in midweek and hooked off after an hour in the next game.
Exhibit 3 : Player who can consistently score - irrespective of his ungainly style - only gets part games from the bench in a team that's short on goals.
Exhibit 4 : In the meantime, players who've not been able to score regularly for months get consistent starting spots
Ok Mr Mills may be a half way decent boss, and YCFC will probably survive this season, but on the evidence above you have to question his man management and decision making just now.
Any evidence for the defence?
minstermen
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6:38pm Sat 8 Dec 12
that has just come up via the play offs
the january transfer market will will see if
we are to progress this season
i for one would like to push the boat out
and get matt from kidderminster plus
another back up striker ,i think we have enough quality and depth in the rest
of the squad ,oh by the way get the lad
back from harrogate who scored another
2 goals today
cityforthepremier
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6:42pm Sat 8 Dec 12
A Bottom
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6:51pm Sat 8 Dec 12
cityforthepremier wrote:Unfortunately the negative grumps make the most noise!!!!!!
Some of the fans were a disgrace today, short memorys, look where the team is in the table, if we had drawn today & last week we would have been 1 point better off, but we won last week & lost this week, so for 1 point lost people are their stood abusing the players & staff from the stands at the final whistle, call yourself fans travelling all that way to do that. Absolute disgrace!
long distance depressive
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6:54pm Sat 8 Dec 12
n decisions are the issue. Going to a near 4-4-2 is OK but only if you keep some midfielders on the field. A couple of players have been charmed by their ability to do sod all yet remain in the team...we know who I mean. C'mon Mr Mills and take a look at the starting line up for Bristol next week. They are poor and suffering from injuries and suspensions so don't screw it up.
headhunter100
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7:07pm Sat 8 Dec 12
cityforthepremier
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7:12pm Sat 8 Dec 12
headhunter100 wrote:Another bitter person form a player rejected by York City by any chance? Who's the player then?
Also there is a young lad who missed his chance to get in the Youth Team who was an excellent striker, been through the academy and has so much sand an eye for a taget but will lose this skill now, as playing in a lower legue, another one Mr Mills never saw and Mr Torpey knew best !!
arsene.about.york
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7:13pm Sat 8 Dec 12
YorkCityLuke wrote:It's not christmas yet. We still have home games against struggling ( until they play us ) Bristol Rovers and champions elect Gillingham as well as difficult away trips to Chesterfield and Fleetwood. After that we will probably be facing the second half of the season with a real battle on our hands. OH DEAR
We're mid-table, pull yourselves together, some of you are embarassing. Yes, a very bad performance, but we're a way off a relegation battle yet. I don't know when people started assuming we should automatically be beating any of the teams in this league, but personally I would have taken mid-table at Christmas. Keep it together!
Fatsober
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7:20pm Sat 8 Dec 12
Secondly does anyone get the impression all is not well behind the scenes? I would imagine that this sort of thing will only come out when Gary goes - be it next week or next year - but I just have the feeling that there is perhaps a bit too much of the bad side of Cloughie about him. Both Smith and Bullock on loan (falling out apparently and the latter desperate to stay at Luton), the falling out with Blanchett some issue between him and Swallow last year, Carlisle shown the door even with time left on his contract, and players constantly out of position and clearly not happy. Is it a case of "my way or the highway" and those who don't fall into line are shipped out or just vanish into obscurity. There have been more and more on-pitch spats between players..so something isn't right somewhere.
Old Big Head could get away with that in his early years because he could (usually) back it up and was usually right, but is Mills?
headhunter100
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7:25pm Sat 8 Dec 12
cityforthepremier
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7:37pm Sat 8 Dec 12
headhunter100 wrote:Name the player then? I will tell you if he's any good, you. Don't need to be a scout to work that out.
No, not bitter, I do scouting,, been to watch this kid, want to keep following him, lots of potential but not enough training, defenders nightmare
pip007
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7:46pm Sat 8 Dec 12
pip007
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7:48pm Sat 8 Dec 12
jumbojet
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7:49pm Sat 8 Dec 12
OLD - HEAD
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7:54pm Sat 8 Dec 12
lifelong
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7:55pm Sat 8 Dec 12
.But we are still mid table and I will not join those doom laden supporters who want to see wholesale changes including the removal of Manager Mills. That's just plain stupid. The team is capable of playing well as was seen at Rochdale and OK it was after the Lord Mayors Show today but isn't the team allowed an off day! Hands up those supporters who would have settled for our league position after the Wycombe opening game!!!!
Roll up next week and get behind the team and stop writing rubbish!
headhunter100
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8:01pm Sat 8 Dec 12
A Bottom
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8:02pm Sat 8 Dec 12
jumbojet wrote:Why not apply for the job as manager, no doubt you would do a marvellous job!!!!!!!
Any fan who travels all the way to Plymouth is entitled to make his/her feelings known to the team and the management, particularly after a dismal display, even the Arsenal Manager agrees with that, when his team was recently booed off the pitch. I listened via Radio York, and it sounded awful, with a Plymouth bass drum accompaniment to add to the drudgery. Something needs doing folks, the team is not working together, something is amiss, the happy faces seem to have gone even,no talking, no shouting, needs a meeting, sooner the better.
BruceBenton
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8:26pm Sat 8 Dec 12
Walker was always looking for the foul rather than concentrating on playing the ball.
Once argyle realised we were not playing they did all the chasing and we let them.
Paddy had a shot with his wrong foot that was always going wide and the argyle keeper only had one ball to stop heading for the net from a touch on
duffy
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8:31pm Sat 8 Dec 12
We need strengthening right down the spine in January and that's probably going to mean letting the likes of Smith plus one or two others go, Matt won't sign for us with the other interest so I would forget that right now.
I think you would need to be blind to not see things are starting to go slightly backwards at this point but its not the time to panic and get rid of Mills. We stick together, get behind the players, and secure our place in the league for next season and then look at things in the summer. What I will say though is that next summers signings need to be a lot better.
jumbojet
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8:34pm Sat 8 Dec 12
A Bottom
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8:52pm Sat 8 Dec 12
jumbojet wrote:Cheer up for goodness sake!!!!!!!! They don't know they're born nowadays, buy gum, them were the days!!!
If you were as good as your namesake, A Bottom, you would be very good, as I remember a 1955 FA Cup semi-final. Ref. me doing a 'marvellous job', I could have gone to Plymouth and lost 2-0, which is as good as Mr Mills did. Maybe a week on the Yorkshire Moors would inject some passion into the team, they need a kick up the 'aspect ratio', or a week in a chocolate factory close to BC, to see how others work for 40 or more hours to put bread on the table.
duffy
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8:54pm Sat 8 Dec 12
Edsoni
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9:26pm Sat 8 Dec 12
Nobody, least of all Mills, is saying that we don't have improvements to make.
For me I'd rather take the Everton route and create some continuity.
A poor performance yes amongst others. But do you really think it wise to make judgements on the basis of our "esteemed" radio reporter? Last week's penalty a travesty? Not according to Potts.
The lily-livered depressives would have four or five managers a season. If you think that's the way to build a club with the multiple pay-offs and staff turnover -perhaps you should be following Portsmouth or Hearts.
We can do better undoubtedly; but those jumping on the bandwagon and calling for change forget that we are not the richest of clubs but need to build slowly if we are to sustain progress built on proper foundations.
Those longing for lump it forward, lose possession, playground football do not represent my views. Neither do those calling for anything other than positive support of our manager although I do appreciate the constructive criticisms we see from the more thoughtful contributors. Panic? How does that help? Now more than ever we need to live up to the name of supporters.
Edsoni
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9:30pm Sat 8 Dec 12
RooBeck
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10:08pm Sat 8 Dec 12
redbluelion
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10:12pm Sat 8 Dec 12
YorkCityLuke wrote:your so brave luke..how about meeting me and getting lippy..im a york fan have been nearly 38 years..im not going to sit back and be an happy clapper..whilst we slide away down the league.we need change now.if mills can't sort it out then we should get rid and find someone who can..
A Bottom wrote:Seconded.redbluelion wrote: the happy clappers on here will still happy clap us all the way back to the bsbp..time for change and the time is now..sort it out mills or leave..lets have someone who can lift the team when we play badly like today..and in most of the home games we lost..sick of it..Why don't you just go away then?
alimount
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10:36pm Sat 8 Dec 12
openallhours
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11:03pm Sat 8 Dec 12
One positive from the last 2 games is that we've picked up 3 points - as opposed to drawing them both and only getting 2 points.
A Bottom
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11:42pm Sat 8 Dec 12
redbluelion wrote:Threats of fisical violence now!!! Grow up you stupid boy!!!! I've been a fan for 40 years!!!!
YorkCityLuke wrote:your so brave luke..how about meeting me and getting lippy..im a york fan have been nearly 38 years..im not going to sit back and be an happy clapper..whilst we slide away down the league.we need change now.if mills can't sort it out then we should get rid and find someone who can..
A Bottom wrote:Seconded.redbluelion wrote: the happy clappers on here will still happy clap us all the way back to the bsbp..time for change and the time is now..sort it out mills or leave..lets have someone who can lift the team when we play badly like today..and in most of the home games we lost..sick of it..Why don't you just go away then?
spockboy2
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11:44pm Sat 8 Dec 12
Trouble is the fans set their sights too high at the start of the season.
Mid table is not too bad but I wonder where any money is coming from next season to improve ?
We should have had a sack full of cash after last seasons success to buy some league players.
Not much coming out of the mcgills camp of late,have they run off with it ?(joke).
I am Keeping the faith for now,but think Mr Mills has a big task with bugger all money.!
PDH
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12:19am Sun 9 Dec 12
GreenshawGrinder
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12:45am Sun 9 Dec 12
Someone will sign Jamille Matt from Kidderminster, he scored three today, sadly it will not be us, don't think we could afford him.
Hats off to the supporters who made the trip. They are allowed to voice their opinions!
redblueblur
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3:23am Sun 9 Dec 12
redblueblur
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3:32am Sun 9 Dec 12
joejamestom
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8:18am Sun 9 Dec 12
My only great criticism is that we concede relatively soft goals & it should be dawning on our staff why by now so lets go again put this one behind us. Cmon City!!!!
YorkCityLuke
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8:38am Sun 9 Dec 12
redblueblur wrote:Problem is, half our fans (such as yourself) are so spineless that you pretty much drop your guts at the first sign of trouble and call for the managers head. You were probably doing the same thing this time last season. You morons need to re-think what a 'supporter' actually does, because at the moment we're the worst 12th man in football.
did we lose i take it..never mind always the next game and we can all be happy clappers again..even if we get beat again at home.we could sink faster than the titanic and still yorkcityluke will be clapping away..idiot.
duffy
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8:48am Sun 9 Dec 12
henleazeyorkie
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9:48am Sun 9 Dec 12
Next weeks game will be a real indicator to me. Bristol Rovers are a team massively short on confidence at the moment and really ought to be there for the taking. Not that City are exactly flying at the mo' and we've tripped up against similar teams recently (including yesterdays relatively short trip for me from Bristol - the less said about that the better) but Rovers are incredibly bad this season and have (at least) been consistent in that respect
Plus I could do without any grief down here if we **** it up
roobarb85
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10:21am Sun 9 Dec 12
So, is there trouble? Yes.
Why : inability to move on from last season's squad, seeming unhappiness in the ranks, inconsistent performances.
Does the man at the top seem to have his finger on the pulse?
Maybe...but then look at the signings that haven't come off, inability to change systems, irascibility in interviews, and you wonder.
Could a change be better?
Maybe. Both Wimbledon and Fleetwood didn't show any sympathy, and it doesn't seem to have done them much wrong (altho early days yet)
Look - I'd be happy to come on here in a few weeks time after 6 wins on the bounce and say I was wrong. But, if you did want a new face, you'd have to get him in soon to assess the squad and make the most of the Jan window.
Can this team in its current guise get 50 points and stay up?
ian923
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10:29am Sun 9 Dec 12
rogue84
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10:32am Sun 9 Dec 12
then we welcome the league leaders! i wouldn't be surprised to see us draw nxt weekend, then beat the Gills!
I am starting to agree with many posters on here tho that apart from Oyebanjo (when fit) and Fyfield who's done ok in recent games, we need a big, big shake up in defence.
nudger
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11:18am Sun 9 Dec 12
OLD - HEAD
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11:37am Sun 9 Dec 12
skilly
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12:24pm Sun 9 Dec 12
YCFC115
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12:27pm Sun 9 Dec 12
duffy wrote:Well said!
Is there any moderation of this section of the press. I would remove two thirds of the dross posted.
Some of these posts are shocking, talk about school playground stuff or what and suppose to be made by elderly adults!
Grow up or don't post on here if you can't have a proper debate or discussion.
lifelong
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12:31pm Sun 9 Dec 12
YCFC115
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12:33pm Sun 9 Dec 12
OLD - HEAD wrote:I agree and thought we had one in Carlisle until he was sent packing because we couldn't tie him down to a descent contract. We desperately need a big hit man up front that can worry the defenders. Would love to see Matt at BC.
I am certainly not advocating a change of Manager, that would be a very dangerous thing to do. But we do need a change of direction, before its too late. The key to this seasons performances is the preparation and very poor summer signings made by Gary Mills. The club spent too much time patting everyone on the back after our two Wembley triumphs, and they failed to strengthen the squad in preparation for returning to League 2. Of course we wont sign Jamile Matt or Matt Green, they wont come to us. But we do need to physically toughen up because competing in the Football Legue requires that. One or two nippy little players are OK, but not the seven dwarfs. An old ex-pro once told me that City needed a good old fashioned centre back with a broken nose, who would take no prisoners. I just laughed at the time, but I am now thinking that he could have been right.
Mid table seems to be the best that we can hope for this season.
Keith...lad
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1:42pm Sun 9 Dec 12
uhtred
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3:43pm Sun 9 Dec 12
BristolRick
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4:53pm Sun 9 Dec 12
Only a short journey for me but I shall making the long journey up to York next week. I do not want to return on the train with happy Rovers fans so a big improvement at home please!
YorkCityLuke
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4:59pm Sun 9 Dec 12
lifelong wrote:I may or may not have been making it up... my Grandfather may well have been going in '36 though!
Well done 'York City Luke' on your support from 1936 and being able to handle a PC! I thought that I was the longest fan since my first visit in 1945 when I was first taken to Bootham crescent by a RAF pilot who lodged with us when he was stationed nearby. Memories are still quite vivid especially when we rolled over league leaders Rotherham Utd 6-1 in front of maybe 19000 spectators. Alf Patrick netted 5 and should have had them all but the Captain Jack Pinder elected to take the closing penalty kick with the crowd baying for Alf to step up to the spot!!
redbluelion
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1:10am Mon 10 Dec 12
YorkCityLuke wrote:who cares luke chill out dude...and don't clap too much or you will end up with sore hands..
lifelong wrote: Well done 'York City Luke' on your support from 1936 and being able to handle a PC! I thought that I was the longest fan since my first visit in 1945 when I was first taken to Bootham crescent by a RAF pilot who lodged with us when he was stationed nearby. Memories are still quite vivid especially when we rolled over league leaders Rotherham Utd 6-1 in front of maybe 19000 spectators. Alf Patrick netted 5 and should have had them all but the Captain Jack Pinder elected to take the closing penalty kick with the crowd baying for Alf to step up to the spot!!I may or may not have been making it up... my Grandfather may well have been going in '36 though!
Tug job
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10:17am Mon 10 Dec 12
redbluelion wrote:Six points off the play offs is hardly sliding down the league. Let's face it, we could be struggling to keep in touch with the automatic promotion place in the BSP like some clubs, couldn't we?
And so starts the slide down the league..why is it one game they play great the next they play so crap..with not a shot on target..
PhilTopping
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10:26am Mon 10 Dec 12
Let's not mess around on here. We have massive problems. We're heading for a relegation battle and some of the Plymouth fans I met after the game described City as the worst team they've seen in years.
We didn't create a single chance of worth all game. Lord knows how Flett will score the players as anything more than a 5 for anyone would be mightily generous.
Ingham, OK but he didnt manage his box and the first goal he just watched roll in. 5
Parslow, did just about ok but offered nothing going forward and put relatively few tackles in. 5
Fyfield, awful own goal but did at least attack on a few occasions and looked ok in patches. 5
Smith, dreadful. I feel sorry for him as he's terribly off form and needs dropping. He must know it too. Mistake after mistake all match. Where has the Smith of May 2012 gone ? 2
Doig, just looks unhappy at the moment. He is incredibly slow now and I wonder whether he's carrying an injury. 4
Kerr, along with Smith the worst player on the pitch. Off the pace, rarely tackled, looked disinterested throughout. 50% of what he was last year. 2
Potts, anonymous. Didn't contribute at all and looked a little boy lost. 3
McLaughlin, started well. Then just vanished. Total lack of confidence. 3
Chambers, see Potts. 3
Blair, ran around a lot, but just seemed to lack any confidence and refused to take anybody on. 5
Walker, looked a Conference striker found out. Lots of touches and most went to a green shirt. 3.
Dreadful. £120 of petrol and ticket money down the drain.
YO1
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10:39am Mon 10 Dec 12
dangermoose
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1:24pm Mon 10 Dec 12
The worry after our Summer signings is what rubbish Mills has his sights on in January.............
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redbluelion says...
5:19pm Sat 8 Dec 12