York City 0, Torquay United 2 (From York Press)

duffy wrote:
Here we go again. First of all I'm going to take Mills to task on the decision to play Parslow in midfield, why do we need a holding midfield player who contributed absolutely nothing against a poor team like that.?
People keep saying this team is good enough to do well in this league, well it's not and its now showing big time. The ( conference) defence looks like conceading every time the opposition have an attack, we are also way too lightweight in both midfield and attack, we desperately need some beef up front. Terrible first half with Blair having to come into the middle to support Parslow instead of staying out wide. At least when Kerr came on he went wider but he simply can't beat a man at this level. I though Oyebanjo and Fyfield did well down the left, nothing came down the right first half. Smith and Doig were all over the place most of the time. Kearns was again head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch.
Sorry Mr Mills you have to change things at home because you're costing us points with this stubborn attitude and we have to start winning games. We are not going to trouble the top half regardless, the team is simply not strong enough to do that. However we are now in danger of looking down the other way.

cityforthepremier wrote:

duffy wrote:
Here we go again. First of all I'm going to take Mills to task on the decision to play Parslow in midfield, why do we need a holding midfield player who contributed absolutely nothing against a poor team like that.?
People keep saying this team is good enough to do well in this league, well it's not and its now showing big time. The ( conference) defence looks like conceading every time the opposition have an attack, we are also way too lightweight in both midfield and attack, we desperately need some beef up front. Terrible first half with Blair having to come into the middle to support Parslow instead of staying out wide. At least when Kerr came on he went wider but he simply can't beat a man at this level. I though Oyebanjo and Fyfield did well down the left, nothing came down the right first half. Smith and Doig were all over the place most of the time. Kearns was again head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch.
Sorry Mr Mills you have to change things at home because you're costing us points with this stubborn attitude and we have to start winning games. We are not going to trouble the top half regardless, the team is simply not strong enough to do that. However we are now in danger of looking down the other way.

Blair having to come inside to support Parslow? Did you not take any notice of the formation & realise that Kearns was actually the wide player & Blair was playing inside off Parslow along with Oyebanjo?

tallone wrote:
Rodman looke uteood when he played as the central striker won balls in the air ran at defenders. i would have left him on and put someone closer to him for flicks or knock downs. i'm not a chambers knocker but he did very little when he came on.
does anyone know can we not bring any new players in now untill the transfer window

roobarb85 wrote:
Used to really like my little old car.. had some great trips in it, didn't mind when it had to have a few things fixed, thought the scratches and bumps looked kinda cute. Then one day, I realised I had a heap which was costing me a bomb and going nowhere.

Same is sadly true of YCFC and Mills. Used to be a big fan of MrM, and appreciate alll he did for us, but now evidence against his team is stacking up....

Couldn't score at home against the worst defence in the league.

Couldn't win at home against a 10-man opposition despite leading 1-0

Too many signings ineffectual or inept...Bopp, Johnson, Dobie, Bullock, J Smith, Carlisle, Blanchett, Lyttle.....

Aldershot reserve as striker to save us - so good he's subbed in both home games.

Reed has a habit of scoring goals yet is hardly given a start and/or is subbed. Walker plays for games on end without threat.

Players playing out of position... Parslow, Blair, Banjo....

No reserve team to keep squad players match fit

For all that people purr about Kerr and Kearns being great midfielders, have they actually created much recently?

50 points are needed to stay in the league...can this squad, system and manager really get those points?

Occasional good days like at Vale and good signings like Coulson can no longer outweigh the increasing evidence of dereliction as shown yesterday. Can't think of a candidate to take over at the helm - but think that the board should be looking.

OLD - HEAD wrote:
Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late.

duffy wrote:

OLD - HEAD wrote:
Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late.

I'm getting pretty tired of the city support been blamed for the home form frankly, in my view its got nothing to do with it and yesterday they were fine given what was on offer.

YorkCityLuke wrote:

duffy wrote:

OLD - HEAD wrote:
Yesterday I paid special attention to the crowd as I am getting sick and tired of the excuses about playing at home. The crowd responded on the few occassions that the City team attacked Torquay, and there was no outbreak of jeering, even at the end of the match. So lets look for the real reason why we dont win at Bootham Crescent. Look no further than the negative formation we line up with at home. Players playing out of position, and our obvious lack of muscle n the team. Poor groundwork in pre-season has left us badly prepared for our first season back in the Football League. We came into Division 2 thinking that the nice little tip-tap football we played in the Conference, would be all that we needed. But this is a much more physical league than the BSP and City need to adapt to change. I know that we dont have the money to wave the cheque book in January, but some astute business needs to be done before its too late.

I'm getting pretty tired of the city support been blamed for the home form frankly, in my view its got nothing to do with it and yesterday they were fine given what was on offer.

Home support might not be to blame but the atmosphere is just dead these days. There's more chanting and singing at even the most remote away games than we get at home. Not to blame for the poor form, but not helping either.

Minsterred wrote:
Bad day at the office of which we have had a few of late, still think we will come good and finish mid table which I think is acceptable given where we were a very short time ago. I believe in GM and I believe in the team, we had massive posession for large parts of the game yesterday and could have scored at least twice had their keeper not had such a good game, ref was also shocking but yes we were lacking in several departments. I struggle to understand some of the comments on here, yes I want us to win every game as we all do but with respect its our first season back. We finished 4th in non league football last season, we have 2 trophies in the cabinet, we are back in the league with hopefully a new ground on the way. Yesterday was poor but really not the end of the world nor the end of our season and as for replacing Gary Mills? Utter nonesense at best.

redwhiteblue wrote:
Sorry I blame a lot of the negative comments and moaner who pick on the players that attempt to give us 100% every time they put on a City shirt. Getting on the players backs does not help - it lowers moral, confidence and eventually the team spirit. Their performance is affected by the pressure from the crowd, and the feelings/comments on individual players. Why do we play better away from BC? - we get the true supporters of the Club travelling to away games, who air their voices and feelings for the team - we always appear to be more vocal and supportive at away games. When GM made the changes after 60 mins, in an attempt to get something from the game - comments near me so negative, 'bringing on your favourates'. A lady sat near me who hadn't been able to attend a game for a couple of months commented on the reaction, 'how can they not support the team, surely we should be getting behind the team and lifting them not knocking them. Many of these players got us out of the Conference last year - they were our saviours - they were good players and played as a team, they have not become bad players overnight. We can get out of this run but we need the moaners to stop away or get behind the team. How would you feel if you were trying to do your job with someone on your shoulder saying, 'your rubbish, you shouldn't be with this company, your crap.' The moaners and negative postings on this website must hurt the individuals - to be told ' your rubbish, should never wear a City shirt again' - to tell the manager 'his taxis waiting and the meters running' - does this really help the cause. Gary played Reid, but yesterday he struggled, therefore to replace him was the right thing to do. Rodman for me had a good game - showed promise and what he is capable of and was worth his place - yesterday we lacked pace down the flanks we crosses into the danger area.
A plea to all City supporters - GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND THIS GREAT CLUB - before you have a hand is destroying it.

openallhours wrote:
Challinor - a try hard who should perhaps drop down a league or two to prolong his career Smith - nice bloke but not good enough for 4th Div Kearns - shocker today (won't pass the ball at the right time to the right player) and gone in Jan Parslow - over-rated and out of his depth at this level Kerr - past it at this level Chambers - say no more Rodman - ask your mate Rankine if he'll swap with you Des Lyttle - an absolute joke of an individual who's wages would be better spent on a player Ingham - great servant but maybe tired of the surroundings Gary Mills - after the last 5 home games, are we not missing; J Smith, Bullock, Paddy Mac, TY, Potts and even Henderson etc...? Some difficult fixtures coming up and on this form it won't be a happy new year. I've never predicted a York defeat and never will. I don't expect miracles and I'm realistic about where we are. But I would argue that a different manager (with Football League experience) would make a better job of the resources that we have to offer.

beckylaner wrote:
This was the first home game I've seen this season, being an exile. I've seen four away games and I'm unimpressed. York City looked well out of their league on Saturday, full stop. No room for sentiment in business - Gary Mills got us out of non-league football, but the team's going straight back there, on this showing and the others I've seen. Time for some Abramovich ruthlessness. Goodbye, Gary.

ycfcfooker wrote:
Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out

skilly wrote:

ycfcfooker wrote:
Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out

Go away or get behind the team

ycfcfooker wrote:

skilly wrote:

ycfcfooker wrote:
Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out

Go away or get behind the team

I do support the team you daft bloody bugger I would just rather have someone with some bloody knowledge picking the side

ycfcfooker wrote:
Thanks for taking us up Gary but time to go, that bloody Italian lad won the European cup for Chelsea and they got rid so we should do the same these hasn't got a bloody clue what is going on bloody well sort it out McGill stop having your manicure & sort your bloody club out

skilly wrote:

openallhours wrote:
Challinor - a try hard who should perhaps drop down a league or two to prolong his career Smith - nice bloke but not good enough for 4th Div Kearns - shocker today (won't pass the ball at the right time to the right player) and gone in Jan Parslow - over-rated and out of his depth at this level Kerr - past it at this level Chambers - say no more Rodman - ask your mate Rankine if he'll swap with you Des Lyttle - an absolute joke of an individual who's wages would be better spent on a player Ingham - great servant but maybe tired of the surroundings Gary Mills - after the last 5 home games, are we not missing; J Smith, Bullock, Paddy Mac, TY, Potts and even Henderson etc...? Some difficult fixtures coming up and on this form it won't be a happy new year. I've never predicted a York defeat and never will. I don't expect miracles and I'm realistic about where we are. But I would argue that a different manager (with Football League experience) would make a better job of the resources that we have to offer.

Totally dis-agree with this post. These players do not become only conference standard overnight. Knee-jerk reaction as many of the posts on here.

ycfcfooker wrote:
Play the lad walker in a 442 he'll get us goals

ycfcfooker wrote:
Fine let's keep the bloody chump in charge then

RooBeck wrote:

ycfcfooker wrote:
Fine let's keep the bloody chump in charge then

You're been more than a bit harsh with this post! Gary Mills is a fine manager at this level, displays great leadership and has the best interests of the club at heart. His system and the style of play that he instills into his team at BC, is not working but it has done well for us during his 2 years 1 month at the club and he can say, with some justification, that fans shouldn't panic and not to knock the system because we are having a lean home spell. We as fans, have to respect his decisions because he has a tremendous record with us. BUT, he cannot ignore the current home results and possibly he will now come to realise, that there is a case for re-thinking our home tactics/formations but it is for his professional judgement. He DOES NOT deserve hard-nosed comments such as yours and we need to keep with and back this squad, get down to Rochdale on Saturday and support the team and manager. My prediction, is still a Top Seven position come next April because the main frustration of our home form, is that we are dropping points to teams who we know that we are more than capable of beating- home or away - and Gary Mills has now to find the right formations/tactics to make it happen. COYR.

ycfcfooker wrote:

dazthecat wrote:

ycfcfooker wrote: Play the lad walker in a 442 he'll get us goals

Troll

Knob

martinbutler wrote:
Sorry to disagree with some of the above posts but Rodman and Kearns have been further poor signings ( kearns is a busy player but he has disrupted the play of the team - how many games have we won whilst he's been playing?). We are too predictable, our corners and set plays are awful ( what do we practice in training....) we need to strengthen the team ( it's weaker than last season) we desperately need a new central defender, central midfielder and striker that can play at this level (Kerr, Doig and Walker cant). Please drop Rodman and Kearns and play Paddy and Chambers on the left side. With the current team 433 doesn't work at home (it didn't most of last season) the results support this. i have to question why the players dont look up for it from the start, once again they were slow from the beginning - we dont get away with it at this level like we did last season. I thought Chandler did ok when moved into midfield ( at least he can pass the ball which was the problem in the first half) Blair doesn't work in the midfield role, he was lost today and couldn't beat the fullback. I felt sorry for Reedy as he didn't get any support and to sub him when we changed to 442 was the wrong decision. Most of this stuff is obvious to anyone watching us regularly and when the away manager says on the radio he knows how to play York and brings a poor team to beat us - it says a lot! Gary this isn't good enough and slating the supporters isn't the answer.

heartbreaker wrote:
Right, so didn't post yesterday and wanted time to reflect! But the home form is a massive issue clearly now if it wasn't before and to be honest was the same last season but we got away with it in the end in a division with poorer teams. I don't think we will get caught in any relegation issues this season but I really want to see us push on the next couple of seasons and aim for league 1 / championship level especially with the new stadium on it's way. Unfortunately, despite being a big supporters of his and of course being grateful for last season, Mills isn't the man to do this unless something drastic changes. And yes our home form does mean drastic changes. Hopefully it can be sorted but if not I honestly think the McGills should be (never thought I'd say this a few weeks back but anyway..) potentially looking at replacements to come in at the end of the season, or possibly the last few games if we're just sat midtable with nothing to play for. People who are happy with mid table obscurity in this division need their heads checking. Swansea, Blackpool, Colchester are great examples of similar size clubs moving ahead - time to get ambitious York!

Short term wise - get Kearns in for the rest of the season, 442 at home, play players in their right positions, get McGurk back in, buy a proven striker (even if it means flexing the transfer / wage budget slightly) and let's see how we go from there.

ed miliband wrote:

GreenshawGrinder wrote:
Four home games to look forward to during the festive period. Life can be so cruel at times!!!

and four losses the way we're going, city need rid of not only Mills but his puppet master Mcgill, aka Douglas Craig Jr

TOMCODYYCFC2469 wrote:
banjo say's prefrence right back put the
players back in there comfort zone

positions they no there natural positions

so play them there.

skilly wrote:
I accept that home form is a worry but GM should be given time to improve this. Comments about sacking him are ridiculous. I am sure the likes of Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham, Hereford etc would swap places with us instantly. A work colleague of mine supports Newport and has just seen his team lose in the FA trophy 1st round to a team from BSP south, they made the final last year (remember!)and have lost 5 of their last 6 games in the conference after a really good start. Form inevitably dips during a season and my mate can't understand the negative reaction to our minor dip in form at home. He told me to be grateful and he has no doubts York will remain in this league and finish comfortably mid-table. He fears that Newport will fade away and be consigned to more seasons in BSP. League 2 seems wonderful in comparison. COYR

Budgie wrote:
Mills is clutching at straws,swopping and changing the team,why Rodman was signed is behond belief,not played for a long while because of a worrying illness(though I wish him well with this). Unable to get in Aldershots team, I will say no more, I am pleased a lot of people feel the same way as myself that we need a good clear out and GM included

duffy wrote:

heartbreaker wrote: Right, so didn't post yesterday and wanted time to reflect! But the home form is a massive issue clearly now if it wasn't before and to be honest was the same last season but we got away with it in the end in a division with poorer teams. I don't think we will get caught in any relegation issues this season but I really want to see us push on the next couple of seasons and aim for league 1 / championship level especially with the new stadium on it's way. Unfortunately, despite being a big supporters of his and of course being grateful for last season, Mills isn't the man to do this unless something drastic changes. And yes our home form does mean drastic changes. Hopefully it can be sorted but if not I honestly think the McGills should be (never thought I'd say this a few weeks back but anyway..) potentially looking at replacements to come in at the end of the season, or possibly the last few games if we're just sat midtable with nothing to play for. People who are happy with mid table obscurity in this division need their heads checking. Swansea, Blackpool, Colchester are great examples of similar size clubs moving ahead - time to get ambitious York! Short term wise - get Kearns in for the rest of the season, 442 at home, play players in their right positions, get McGurk back in, buy a proven striker (even if it means flexing the transfer / wage budget slightly) and let's see how we go from there.

As much as I think Mills has got a few things wrong this season I don't think sacking him would be the right thing to do. He needs and after last season deserves the time to put things right and hopefully learn from what's gone wrong. Even given the poor start to the season he believes in playing football the right way and seems to genuinely care for the club. We often ask players and management to be loyal to us and in return we need to do the same at times.

openallhours wrote:

skilly wrote: I accept that home form is a worry but GM should be given time to improve this. Comments about sacking him are ridiculous. I am sure the likes of Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham, Hereford etc would swap places with us instantly. A work colleague of mine supports Newport and has just seen his team lose in the FA trophy 1st round to a team from BSP south, they made the final last year (remember!)and have lost 5 of their last 6 games in the conference after a really good start. Form inevitably dips during a season and my mate can't understand the negative reaction to our minor dip in form at home. He told me to be grateful and he has no doubts York will remain in this league and finish comfortably mid-table. He fears that Newport will fade away and be consigned to more seasons in BSP. League 2 seems wonderful in comparison. COYR

Silly me (and all of the other City fans worried by our alarming form). You should have said earlier that your mate the Newport fan thinks we'll be ok. Phew, feel a lot better now.

YO1 wrote:
Employing old friends and family rarley works out in business. GM should have appointed a first team coach with a proven track record at league 2 level to bring in the contacts and know how which we are clearly lacking.

nearlyman wrote:

YO1 wrote:
Employing old friends and family rarley works out in business. GM should have appointed a first team coach with a proven track record at league 2 level to bring in the contacts and know how which we are clearly lacking.

would that be the board you are refering to ?