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11:00am Tuesday 25th September 2007
NORTH Yorkshire Police could lose £10 million in funding next year - the equivalent of 300 officers.
The shocking news was revealed at a meeting of North Yorkshire Police Authority and, if it goes ahead, may lead to jobs being axed or positions not being filled.
Jeremy Holderness, the authority's clerk and monitoring officer, told members that a Government consultation on the way police forces across the country are funded could lead to the 2008/09 grant being cut by £9.7 million because of the very low crime rate in the county - in fact for the first three months of this year it had the lowest crime rate in England.
North Yorkshire's Chief Constable Grahame Maxwell said the cut would have "devastating" results.
He said: "Of all the things that are on the horizon this is the most devastating. It's only a consultation, but it sets out quite clearly that we could receive £10 million less.
"This is not just a one-off thing but is cumulative and could affect us year in and year out. We've had significant success and have made this the lowest area for crime in England. But this could significantly alter the way we deliver our services.
"We would have to look at reducing staff and that has to impact how we do things. We would have to think seriously about what we can and cannot deliver."
Mark Botham, the chairman of North Yorkshire Police Federation, said any cuts would have serious implications for the safety of officers and members of the public.
He said that if cuts of £10 million led to cuts of 300 frontline policing posts the force would have the same staffing levels it had in 2000/01 when 50 per cent of operational officers were assaulted while on duty. There are currently 1,633 federation members in North Yorkshire.
Mr Botham said: "We would have serious concerns for the health, safety and welfare of our officers and members of the public."
North Yorkshire Police currently receives £72 million a year from central Government, 56 per cent of its total funding.
Areas with high crime rates would continue to receive funding at the current levels.
Mr Holderness said: "You have to argue against the perverse incentive of rewarding people for not performing very well in terms of crime."
Less grant money could lead to an increase in crime as the resources for police officers may not be there.
Mr Holderness said: "Is the public going to accept the ramifications of a £10 million increase in crime."
Alternatively, he said, members of the police authority would have to weigh up whether the public would accept an increase in the precept to bridge the hole left in funds by the Government cuts.
City of York councillor Keith Orrell, who is also a member of the police authority, said the consultation was the most critical issue the force faces in the foreseeable future.
He said: "If we were to lose £10 million that must impact on the number of officers we can have on the streets."
The consultation is due to be completed at the end of October and the grant settlement will be announced at the end of November.
A spokeswoman for the Home Office confirmed a consultation was taking place and admitted it could finish with North Yorkshire losing cash. But she denied it was because of the low crime rate in the county - something that North Yorkshire Police Authority disputes.
The spokeswoman said: "We're currently undertaking a consultation exercise, but this is a minor change to police funding formula.
"The funding formula has never been based on crime levels as this would involve penalising success and rewarding failure. Rather the funding formula takes account of population and a wide range of social and demographic aspects. We do not accept that North Yorkshire's low crime levels means it would receive less crime funding in the future."
Money held in reserve
IN RECENT years North Yorkshire Police has sparked controversy over the large amount of money in its reserves.
At one point it hit almost £35 million yet the council tax precept was still increased.
But that figure had fallen by £6 million to £29 million by March 31 of this year and there are plans to cut the amount of cash in the bank down to £9.4 million - which is the amount it needs for contingencies - by 2012.
But if the Government grant is cut, it raises the possibility that the reserves could be used to plug the shortfall.
North Yorkshire Police Authority's clerk and monitoring officer, Jeremy Holderness, said that was always a possibility. He said: "That's one option available to us but in the next few years we have that reducing down to £9 million through things we were planning to spend on. But if we have a funding gap the authority might decide to cut other things to try to balance the books."
Not Jimbob, Not York says...
11:15am Tue 25 Sep 07
But that figure had fallen by £6 million to £29 million by March 31 of this year and there are plans to cut the amount of cash in the bank down to £9.4 million - which is the amount it needs for contingencies - by 2012.
A user, Selby says...
11:23am Tue 25 Sep 07
Geoff, says...
11:27am Tue 25 Sep 07
akuma, York says...
11:33am Tue 25 Sep 07
Envelopes are brown, @ CYC says...
11:36am Tue 25 Sep 07
Tich, York says...
11:42am Tue 25 Sep 07
Not Jimbob, Not York says...
11:56am Tue 25 Sep 07
akuma, York says...
12:01pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Tich wrote:Agreed Labour haven't done what they promised, but joking aside do you really trust any of the other serious parties to do a better job.
10 years ago Labour promised us, among other things, lower taxes, more police on the streets and a world class health service. 10 years on what do we have ???? Anybody who votes for these muppets again needs their head testing. Not quite sure who else there is to vote for but I'm sure Kermit could do a better job.
Axe Man Jack, York says...
12:03pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Tich wrote:1:There ARE more police than in 1997.
10 years ago Labour promised us, among other things, lower taxes, more police on the streets and a world class health service. 10 years on what do we have ???? Anybody who votes for these muppets again needs their head testing. Not quite sure who else there is to vote for but I'm sure Kermit could do a better job.
Envelopes are brown, @ CYC says...
12:15pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Axe Man Jack wrote:Bullsh*t.
Tich wrote:1:There ARE more police than in 1997.
10 years ago Labour promised us, among other things, lower taxes, more police on the streets and a world class health service. 10 years on what do we have ???? Anybody who votes for these muppets again needs their head testing. Not quite sure who else there is to vote for but I'm sure Kermit could do a better job.
2:Labour promised no increase in the basic rate or top level of tax, not to lower taxes.
3: The NHS performs better on a mutlitude of levels than it did 10 years ago.
andy2007, york says...
12:15pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Diogenes, York says...
12:20pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Diogenes, York says...
12:26pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Diogenes, York says...
12:31pm Tue 25 Sep 07
At one point it hit almost £35 million yet the council tax precept was still increased.But that figure had fallen by £6 million to £29 million by March 31 of this year and there are plans to cut the amount of cash in the bank down to £9.4 million - which is the amount it needs for contingencies - by 2012.
Noddy1, York says...
12:38pm Tue 25 Sep 07
akuma wrote:Project managers are running the police and thre hospitals.
The police force seems to be run as a business rather than a prepaid service, I think the accounts now rule the roost and the officers take a back seat, if not reluctantly. Its a standard accountant and BA (Business Analyst) practice to cut your budget and raise your targets when your doing well. So I ask, who is running the police force, really???
Peenjay, Fromere says...
12:50pm Tue 25 Sep 07
peter k, york says...
12:52pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Clock Watcher, York says...
12:54pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Where has all our money gone?
Answer this question Mr. Chief Constable
Clock Watcher, York says...
12:56pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Diogenes wrote:Didn't the old Chief Constable spend thousands of pounds on a shower???
At one point it hit almost £35 million yet the council tax precept was still increased.But that figure had fallen by £6 million to £29 million by March 31 of this year and there are plans to cut the amount of cash in the bank down to £9.4 million - which is the amount it needs for contingencies - by 2012. Where has all our money gone? Answer this question Mr. Chief Constable!!!
Bemused, says...
1:13pm Tue 25 Sep 07
IN RECENT years North Yorkshire Police has sparked controversy over the large amount of money in its reserves.
At one point it hit almost £35 million yet the council tax precept was still increased.
Peenjay, Fromere says...
1:26pm Tue 25 Sep 07
chunks, York says...
2:25pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Axe Man Jack wrote:The removal of the upper limit for NI contributions was a tax rise in all but name.
Tich wrote: 10 years ago Labour promised us, among other things, lower taxes, more police on the streets and a world class health service. 10 years on what do we have ???? Anybody who votes for these muppets again needs their head testing. Not quite sure who else there is to vote for but I'm sure Kermit could do a better job.1:There ARE more police than in 1997. 2:Labour promised no increase in the basic rate or top level of tax, not to lower taxes. 3: The NHS performs better on a mutlitude of levels than it did 10 years ago.
Axe Man Jack, York says...
2:40pm Tue 25 Sep 07
dragonian, york says...
4:46pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Axe Man Jack, York says...
4:53pm Tue 25 Sep 07
ouserower, york says...
5:43pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Bemused, says...
7:33pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Just a few years ago our rates increased due to a 75% increase for the Police contribution. So where did all that extra money vanish to?
Tubbs, York says...
8:01pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Axe Man Jack wrote:and exactly what part of acomb do you live in prey tell ?, i live in acomb and the only time i ever see a copper is when he's hot footing it back to the nick for his dinner/game of cards/dommino's
yada yada yada. People are always giving the police a hard time. I cannot tell you how sick I am of hearing the words "you never see bobbies on the beat anymore". What a load of garbage. In my neck of the woods (Acomb), they are everywhere.. On bikes, in cars, on foot.
Axe Man Jack, York says...
9:33pm Tue 25 Sep 07
Tubbs wrote:Well they've got to have some pleasures innit? If it wasn't card games, they would only be sniffing glue or playing Police billy hide-o or something.
Axe Man Jack wrote: yada yada yada. People are always giving the police a hard time. I cannot tell you how sick I am of hearing the words "you never see bobbies on the beat anymore". What a load of garbage. In my neck of the woods (Acomb), they are everywhere.. On bikes, in cars, on foot.and exactly what part of acomb do you live in prey tell ?, i live in acomb and the only time i ever see a copper is when he's hot footing it back to the nick for his dinner/game of cards/dommino's
Bemused, says...
1:05pm Wed 26 Sep 07
york1900, York says...
1:39am Fri 28 Sep 07
Clock Watcher wrote:Yes £28,000.00 on a shower for Chief Constable that is the waste of money that as come to light
Where has all our money gone? Answer this question Mr. Chief ConstableDidn't the old Chief Constable spend thounsands of pounds on a shower??
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akuma, York says...
11:06am Tue 25 Sep 07
And why to do muppets at head office think we had the lowest crime rate in England?
Because we had enough police on the streets doing the job.
If you then cut the number of officers then the crime rate will rise again!
My god, how do these people get into such high powered jobs with a complete lack of common sense!