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300 police jobs on the line

11:00am Tuesday 25th September 2007

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By Richard Harris »

NORTH Yorkshire Police could lose £10 million in funding next year - the equivalent of 300 officers.

The shocking news was revealed at a meeting of North Yorkshire Police Authority and, if it goes ahead, may lead to jobs being axed or positions not being filled.

Jeremy Holderness, the authority's clerk and monitoring officer, told members that a Government consultation on the way police forces across the country are funded could lead to the 2008/09 grant being cut by £9.7 million because of the very low crime rate in the county - in fact for the first three months of this year it had the lowest crime rate in England.

North Yorkshire's Chief Constable Grahame Maxwell said the cut would have "devastating" results.

He said: "Of all the things that are on the horizon this is the most devastating. It's only a consultation, but it sets out quite clearly that we could receive £10 million less.

"This is not just a one-off thing but is cumulative and could affect us year in and year out. We've had significant success and have made this the lowest area for crime in England. But this could significantly alter the way we deliver our services.

"We would have to look at reducing staff and that has to impact how we do things. We would have to think seriously about what we can and cannot deliver."

Mark Botham, the chairman of North Yorkshire Police Federation, said any cuts would have serious implications for the safety of officers and members of the public.

He said that if cuts of £10 million led to cuts of 300 frontline policing posts the force would have the same staffing levels it had in 2000/01 when 50 per cent of operational officers were assaulted while on duty. There are currently 1,633 federation members in North Yorkshire.

Mr Botham said: "We would have serious concerns for the health, safety and welfare of our officers and members of the public."

North Yorkshire Police currently receives £72 million a year from central Government, 56 per cent of its total funding.

Areas with high crime rates would continue to receive funding at the current levels.

Mr Holderness said: "You have to argue against the perverse incentive of rewarding people for not performing very well in terms of crime."

Less grant money could lead to an increase in crime as the resources for police officers may not be there.

Mr Holderness said: "Is the public going to accept the ramifications of a £10 million increase in crime."

Alternatively, he said, members of the police authority would have to weigh up whether the public would accept an increase in the precept to bridge the hole left in funds by the Government cuts.

City of York councillor Keith Orrell, who is also a member of the police authority, said the consultation was the most critical issue the force faces in the foreseeable future.

He said: "If we were to lose £10 million that must impact on the number of officers we can have on the streets."

The consultation is due to be completed at the end of October and the grant settlement will be announced at the end of November.

A spokeswoman for the Home Office confirmed a consultation was taking place and admitted it could finish with North Yorkshire losing cash. But she denied it was because of the low crime rate in the county - something that North Yorkshire Police Authority disputes.

The spokeswoman said: "We're currently undertaking a consultation exercise, but this is a minor change to police funding formula.

"The funding formula has never been based on crime levels as this would involve penalising success and rewarding failure. Rather the funding formula takes account of population and a wide range of social and demographic aspects. We do not accept that North Yorkshire's low crime levels means it would receive less crime funding in the future."


Money held in reserve

IN RECENT years North Yorkshire Police has sparked controversy over the large amount of money in its reserves.

At one point it hit almost £35 million yet the council tax precept was still increased.

But that figure had fallen by £6 million to £29 million by March 31 of this year and there are plans to cut the amount of cash in the bank down to £9.4 million - which is the amount it needs for contingencies - by 2012.

But if the Government grant is cut, it raises the possibility that the reserves could be used to plug the shortfall.

North Yorkshire Police Authority's clerk and monitoring officer, Jeremy Holderness, said that was always a possibility. He said: "That's one option available to us but in the next few years we have that reducing down to £9 million through things we were planning to spend on. But if we have a funding gap the authority might decide to cut other things to try to balance the books."

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akuma, York says...
11:06am Tue 25 Sep 07

in fact for the first three months of this year it had the lowest crime rate in England.


And why to do muppets at head office think we had the lowest crime rate in England?

Because we had enough police on the streets doing the job.

If you then cut the number of officers then the crime rate will rise again!

My god, how do these people get into such high powered jobs with a complete lack of common sense!

Not Jimbob, Not York says...
11:15am Tue 25 Sep 07

But that figure had fallen by £6 million to £29 million by March 31 of this year and there are plans to cut the amount of cash in the bank down to £9.4 million - which is the amount it needs for contingencies - by 2012.


Cut it how? You don't just lose £19.6m down the back of the sofa!

£19.6m would "plug" the gap for 2 years.

Up goes the Council tax again then.

A user, Selby says...
11:23am Tue 25 Sep 07

I bet Brown never mentioned that yesterday.....

Geoff, says...
11:27am Tue 25 Sep 07

Un-****-believable!

akuma, York says...
11:33am Tue 25 Sep 07

The police force seems to be run as a business rather than a prepaid service, I think the accounts now rule the roost and the officers take a back seat, if not reluctantly.

Its a standard accountant and BA (Business Analyst) practice to cut your budget and raise your targets when your doing well.

So I ask, who is running the police force, really???

Envelopes are brown, @ CYC says...
11:36am Tue 25 Sep 07

Crime rates are only low becuase people don't bother reporting them as they know f*ck all will get done about it.

Tich, York says...
11:42am Tue 25 Sep 07

10 years ago Labour promised us, among other things, lower taxes, more police on the streets and a world class health service.
10 years on what do we have ????
Anybody who votes for these muppets again needs their head testing.
Not quite sure who else there is to vote for but I'm sure Kermit could do a better job.

Not Jimbob, Not York says...
11:56am Tue 25 Sep 07

Tich,

I would get my head tested but my BUPA membership doesn't cover it.

Can't get it on the NHS.

Maybe there was a cough when they said more police.

"More COUGH (pretend) Police"

akuma, York says...
12:01pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Tich wrote:
10 years ago Labour promised us, among other things, lower taxes, more police on the streets and a world class health service. 10 years on what do we have ???? Anybody who votes for these muppets again needs their head testing. Not quite sure who else there is to vote for but I'm sure Kermit could do a better job.
Agreed Labour haven't done what they promised, but joking aside do you really trust any of the other serious parties to do a better job.

Labour are the lesser of the 3 potential evils.

Axe Man Jack, York says...
12:03pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Tich wrote:
10 years ago Labour promised us, among other things, lower taxes, more police on the streets and a world class health service. 10 years on what do we have ???? Anybody who votes for these muppets again needs their head testing. Not quite sure who else there is to vote for but I'm sure Kermit could do a better job.
1:There ARE more police than in 1997.
2:Labour promised no increase in the basic rate or top level of tax, not to lower taxes.
3: The NHS performs better on a mutlitude of levels than it did 10 years ago.

Envelopes are brown, @ CYC says...
12:15pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Axe Man Jack wrote:
Tich wrote:
10 years ago Labour promised us, among other things, lower taxes, more police on the streets and a world class health service. 10 years on what do we have ???? Anybody who votes for these muppets again needs their head testing. Not quite sure who else there is to vote for but I'm sure Kermit could do a better job.
1:There ARE more police than in 1997.
2:Labour promised no increase in the basic rate or top level of tax, not to lower taxes.
3: The NHS performs better on a mutlitude of levels than it did 10 years ago.
Bullsh*t.

andy2007, york says...
12:15pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Yes more police chasing pointless stats.

Yes of course the NHS is in a good state, I'm sure all the sacked NHS workers will agree, and so will the people who cant get a NHS dentist.

Aint Labour GREAT! Still some nugget voted them in, and they got what they wanted.

Diogenes, York says...
12:20pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Yawn!

Diogenes, York says...
12:26pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Has Spring come early?
We normally get these alarmist messages in February, just before the police precept is raised yet again! We had this annually under Della Cannings!!
The truth is that North Yorkshire police service is well financed yet we get a poor service in return.
Get rid of the useless CSOs and let's have a real police service.

Diogenes, York says...
12:31pm Tue 25 Sep 07

At one point it hit almost £35 million yet the council tax precept was still increased.
But that figure had fallen by £6 million to £29 million by March 31 of this year and there are plans to cut the amount of cash in the bank down to £9.4 million - which is the amount it needs for contingencies - by 2012.

Where has all our money gone?
Answer this question Mr. Chief Constable!!!

Noddy1, York says...
12:38pm Tue 25 Sep 07

akuma wrote:
The police force seems to be run as a business rather than a prepaid service, I think the accounts now rule the roost and the officers take a back seat, if not reluctantly. Its a standard accountant and BA (Business Analyst) practice to cut your budget and raise your targets when your doing well. So I ask, who is running the police force, really???
Project managers are running the police and thre hospitals.
Money and profits are all they are interested in.
There is no profit in safety. Give the police what they want so they can carry on trying to make York a safe place. This will, of course, put up your council taxes but so what. We in York are still the lowest in Yorkshire per anum on council tax.

Peenjay, Fromere says...
12:50pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Oh Great....another FREE kick to the BADDIES.
Just had another thought.....Does this mean The Chief's pay would/should go down because he has less Coppers to "manage"?
OR....Does his pay go up because he has met IDIOTIC Target set by some idiots sitting behind desks and who wouldn't know Shyte from the shovel?

peter k, york says...
12:52pm Tue 25 Sep 07

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well im not surprised - they will probably just put up some speed cameras to make up the difference

At least it might mean more police patrolling the streets on foot where they should be.

Get back on your bikes lads.

Clock Watcher, York says...
12:54pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Where has all our money gone?
Answer this question Mr. Chief Constable



Didn't the old Chief Constable spend thounsands of pounds on a shower??

Clock Watcher, York says...
12:56pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Diogenes wrote:
At one point it hit almost £35 million yet the council tax precept was still increased.
But that figure had fallen by £6 million to £29 million by March 31 of this year and there are plans to cut the amount of cash in the bank down to £9.4 million - which is the amount it needs for contingencies - by 2012. Where has all our money gone? Answer this question Mr. Chief Constable!!!
Didn't the old Chief Constable spend thousands of pounds on a shower???

Bemused, says...
1:13pm Tue 25 Sep 07

IN RECENT years North Yorkshire Police has sparked controversy over the large amount of money in its reserves.

At one point it hit almost £35 million yet the council tax precept was still increased.

Maybe this is the problem. If they are hoarding money, it suggests they don't need it.


Peenjay, Fromere says...
1:26pm Tue 25 Sep 07

I notice in The Diary section that there is an emergancy over leaking secrets...
Are they like leaking taps?
Maybe the Chief can look into that or better still, create a Committee to investigate. (Maybe CRIME hasn't been reduced as they're telling us....
It's another furfy to fill The Press,) and report back to the Hoi Poloi (Us)

chunks, York says...
2:25pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Axe Man Jack wrote:
Tich wrote: 10 years ago Labour promised us, among other things, lower taxes, more police on the streets and a world class health service. 10 years on what do we have ???? Anybody who votes for these muppets again needs their head testing. Not quite sure who else there is to vote for but I'm sure Kermit could do a better job.
1:There ARE more police than in 1997. 2:Labour promised no increase in the basic rate or top level of tax, not to lower taxes. 3: The NHS performs better on a mutlitude of levels than it did 10 years ago.
The removal of the upper limit for NI contributions was a tax rise in all but name.

Axe Man Jack, York says...
2:40pm Tue 25 Sep 07

"What have the Roman's ever done for us?"

dragonian, york says...
4:46pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Once again, this government gives the criminals something to celebrate. This pathetic, soft touch government cares more about the rights of criminals than the ever growing list of victims!

Axe Man Jack, York says...
4:53pm Tue 25 Sep 07

yada yada yada. People are always giving the police a hard time. I cannot tell you how sick I am of hearing the words "you never see bobbies on the beat anymore". What a load of garbage. In my neck of the woods (Acomb), they are everywhere.. On bikes, in cars, on foot.

ouserower, york says...
5:43pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Just a few years ago our rates increased due to a 75% increase for the Police contribution. So where did all that extra money vanish to?

Bemused, says...
7:33pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Just a few years ago our rates increased due to a 75% increase for the Police contribution. So where did all that extra money vanish to?

Della's shower and prestige cars for senior officers I recall.

Tubbs, York says...
8:01pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Axe Man Jack wrote:
yada yada yada. People are always giving the police a hard time. I cannot tell you how sick I am of hearing the words "you never see bobbies on the beat anymore". What a load of garbage. In my neck of the woods (Acomb), they are everywhere.. On bikes, in cars, on foot.
and exactly what part of acomb do you live in prey tell ?, i live in acomb and the only time i ever see a copper is when he's hot footing it back to the nick for his dinner/game of cards/dommino's

Axe Man Jack, York says...
9:33pm Tue 25 Sep 07

Tubbs wrote:
Axe Man Jack wrote: yada yada yada. People are always giving the police a hard time. I cannot tell you how sick I am of hearing the words "you never see bobbies on the beat anymore". What a load of garbage. In my neck of the woods (Acomb), they are everywhere.. On bikes, in cars, on foot.
and exactly what part of acomb do you live in prey tell ?, i live in acomb and the only time i ever see a copper is when he's hot footing it back to the nick for his dinner/game of cards/dommino's
Well they've got to have some pleasures innit? If it wasn't card games, they would only be sniffing glue or playing Police billy hide-o or something.

Bemused, says...
1:05pm Wed 26 Sep 07

They had 153 PCSOs on 31st March this year according to the Annual Report, and looking at their pay scales about 2.6 million could be saved by sacking the lot.

No one would miss them, and Axe Man Jack wouldn't be fooled into thinking he was seeing real police officers.

The redundancy would be cheap at the price.

york1900, York says...
1:39am Fri 28 Sep 07

Clock Watcher wrote:
Where has all our money gone? Answer this question Mr. Chief Constable
Didn't the old Chief Constable spend thounsands of pounds on a shower??
Yes £28,000.00 on a shower for Chief Constable that is the waste of money that as come to light

so how much more have they wasted ?


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