Council parties clash over restocking of salt bins

York Press: Coun David Levene, left, the City of York Council cabinet member for environmental services, and Martin Horner, the council’s head of engineering, watch as salt is prepared to fill salt bins across the city Coun David Levene, left, the City of York Council cabinet member for environmental services, and Martin Horner, the council’s head of engineering, watch as salt is prepared to fill salt bins across the city

POLITICAL rivals have clashed over how York’s salt bins were restocked amid freezing temperatures and snow warnings.

On Wednesday, City of York Council filled 170 bins which it now does not automatically stock, saying it wanted to ensure residents’ safety, but the Liberal Democrat group has accused the Labour-run authority of not acting quickly enough.

The group said its request for the bins to be filled on Monday was refused and this caused an “avoidable delay” in dealing with “increasingly treacherous” conditions. Labour said it took the necessary action, branding the Lib Dems “petty”.

Last year, the council said funding cuts meant only 199 of York’s 369 salt bins would be automatically filled, but the remaining 170 would be stocked in severe weather.

Coun Nigel Ayre, Lib Dem councillor for Heworth Without, said: “I was shocked that when I asked council officers to refill salt bins in my ward on Monday, they refused, saying that despite snow, ice and plummeting temperatures, the weather was not severe enough.

“I am glad, after continued pressure, they have seen sense, but am concerned vital hours and days have been lost, during which time residents could have been taking pre-emptive action. Labour should have inspected and refilled the bins before winter or, over the weekend, watched the forecast and decided the council needed to act.”

Coun David Levene, cabinet member for environmental services, said: “We made a commitment to fill these 170 salt bins if it became necessary, and when it became clear temperatures well below zero and further snow were forecast for a number of days ahead, we did exactly this.

“Our focus is on keeping roads, footpaths and cycle paths safe for residents, rather than wasting time on petty attempts at political point-scoring.”

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10:03am Fri 18 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

Sack the lot of them.
Sack the lot of them. The Great Buda

10:13am Fri 18 Jan 13

TB1 says...

Wish these presumptious pompoius local politicians would stop arguing like spoilt children and just let people get on with the job.
What a poor example to be setting when we should all be pulling together
Wish these presumptious pompoius local politicians would stop arguing like spoilt children and just let people get on with the job. What a poor example to be setting when we should all be pulling together TB1

10:31am Fri 18 Jan 13

Ichabod76 says...

TB1 wrote:
Wish these presumptious pompoius local politicians would stop arguing like spoilt children and just let people get on with the job.
What a poor example to be setting when we should all be pulling together
Awful thing

"Democracy"
[quote][p][bold]TB1[/bold] wrote: Wish these presumptious pompoius local politicians would stop arguing like spoilt children and just let people get on with the job. What a poor example to be setting when we should all be pulling together[/p][/quote]Awful thing "Democracy" Ichabod76

10:32am Fri 18 Jan 13

YorkPatrol says...

What about all the POO bins for dog people - many of these have been removed so nows there POO everywhere
What about all the POO bins for dog people - many of these have been removed so nows there POO everywhere YorkPatrol

11:01am Fri 18 Jan 13

m dee says...

This same scenario seems to have repeated itself for years.

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This same scenario seems to have repeated itself for years. http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/features/read ersletters/8483333.S alt_bins_attack_on_C oun_Ann_Reid/ m dee

11:30am Fri 18 Jan 13

Sawday2 says...

Dear CYC - What exactly is the use of an empty salt bin? Either it's there to provide a service or it's not. If it's the latter then get rid. If the former then fill it you silly billys.
Dear CYC - What exactly is the use of an empty salt bin? Either it's there to provide a service or it's not. If it's the latter then get rid. If the former then fill it you silly billys. Sawday2

11:47am Fri 18 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
TB1 wrote:
Wish these presumptious pompoius local politicians would stop arguing like spoilt children and just let people get on with the job.
What a poor example to be setting when we should all be pulling together
Awful thing

"Democracy"
Democracy would improve this country no end.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TB1[/bold] wrote: Wish these presumptious pompoius local politicians would stop arguing like spoilt children and just let people get on with the job. What a poor example to be setting when we should all be pulling together[/p][/quote]Awful thing "Democracy"[/p][/quote]Democracy would improve this country no end. The Great Buda

12:36pm Fri 18 Jan 13

far2bizzy says...

It’s all well and good arguing the toss about filling salt bins, but what I want to know is how is it expected to get from the bins to the paths where it needs to be.

Bins may have been filled on Wednesday – but on my 5 mile walk (slide) through the suburbs yesterday there was no sign whatsoever of any salt on the pavements.
It’s all well and good arguing the toss about filling salt bins, but what I want to know is how is it expected to get from the bins to the paths where it needs to be. Bins may have been filled on Wednesday – but on my 5 mile walk (slide) through the suburbs yesterday there was no sign whatsoever of any salt on the pavements. far2bizzy

1:30pm Fri 18 Jan 13

timcore says...

Enough political finger-pointing, but there's no point filling the bins if it then isn't going to be used. Some of the pavements in and around the city are treacherous. This needs to be remedied.
Enough political finger-pointing, but there's no point filling the bins if it then isn't going to be used. Some of the pavements in and around the city are treacherous. This needs to be remedied. timcore

1:40pm Fri 18 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Sack the lot of them.
Are you offering to resign James? I
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Sack the lot of them.[/p][/quote]Are you offering to resign James? I atorycouncil2014

1:50pm Fri 18 Jan 13

YorkPatrol says...

far2bizzy wrote:
It’s all well and good arguing the toss about filling salt bins, but what I want to know is how is it expected to get from the bins to the paths where it needs to be. Bins may have been filled on Wednesday – but on my 5 mile walk (slide) through the suburbs yesterday there was no sign whatsoever of any salt on the pavements.
What you do is - walk to your nearest salt bin with a bucket or similar, fill it up, take it home and throw it around!

It's self service
[quote][p][bold]far2bizzy[/bold] wrote: It’s all well and good arguing the toss about filling salt bins, but what I want to know is how is it expected to get from the bins to the paths where it needs to be. Bins may have been filled on Wednesday – but on my 5 mile walk (slide) through the suburbs yesterday there was no sign whatsoever of any salt on the pavements.[/p][/quote]What you do is - walk to your nearest salt bin with a bucket or similar, fill it up, take it home and throw it around! It's self service YorkPatrol

2:01pm Fri 18 Jan 13

timcore says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
far2bizzy wrote:
It’s all well and good arguing the toss about filling salt bins, but what I want to know is how is it expected to get from the bins to the paths where it needs to be. Bins may have been filled on Wednesday – but on my 5 mile walk (slide) through the suburbs yesterday there was no sign whatsoever of any salt on the pavements.
What you do is - walk to your nearest salt bin with a bucket or similar, fill it up, take it home and throw it around!

It's self service
Is this what we pay our council tax for?
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]far2bizzy[/bold] wrote: It’s all well and good arguing the toss about filling salt bins, but what I want to know is how is it expected to get from the bins to the paths where it needs to be. Bins may have been filled on Wednesday – but on my 5 mile walk (slide) through the suburbs yesterday there was no sign whatsoever of any salt on the pavements.[/p][/quote]What you do is - walk to your nearest salt bin with a bucket or similar, fill it up, take it home and throw it around! It's self service[/p][/quote]Is this what we pay our council tax for? timcore

2:02pm Fri 18 Jan 13

alfie says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
What about all the POO bins for dog people - many of these have been removed so nows there POO everywhere
put the poo in an empty salt bin of course.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: What about all the POO bins for dog people - many of these have been removed so nows there POO everywhere[/p][/quote]put the poo in an empty salt bin of course. alfie

2:10pm Fri 18 Jan 13

dsom73 says...

timcore wrote:
YorkPatrol wrote:
far2bizzy wrote:
It’s all well and good arguing the toss about filling salt bins, but what I want to know is how is it expected to get from the bins to the paths where it needs to be. Bins may have been filled on Wednesday – but on my 5 mile walk (slide) through the suburbs yesterday there was no sign whatsoever of any salt on the pavements.
What you do is - walk to your nearest salt bin with a bucket or similar, fill it up, take it home and throw it around!

It's self service
Is this what we pay our council tax for?
For the free salt, yes.
[quote][p][bold]timcore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]far2bizzy[/bold] wrote: It’s all well and good arguing the toss about filling salt bins, but what I want to know is how is it expected to get from the bins to the paths where it needs to be. Bins may have been filled on Wednesday – but on my 5 mile walk (slide) through the suburbs yesterday there was no sign whatsoever of any salt on the pavements.[/p][/quote]What you do is - walk to your nearest salt bin with a bucket or similar, fill it up, take it home and throw it around! It's self service[/p][/quote]Is this what we pay our council tax for?[/p][/quote]For the free salt, yes. dsom73

2:16pm Fri 18 Jan 13

timcore says...

dsom73 wrote:
timcore wrote:
YorkPatrol wrote:
far2bizzy wrote:
It’s all well and good arguing the toss about filling salt bins, but what I want to know is how is it expected to get from the bins to the paths where it needs to be. Bins may have been filled on Wednesday – but on my 5 mile walk (slide) through the suburbs yesterday there was no sign whatsoever of any salt on the pavements.
What you do is - walk to your nearest salt bin with a bucket or similar, fill it up, take it home and throw it around!

It's self service
Is this what we pay our council tax for?
For the free salt, yes.
Making us pay for free stuff? That's genius on their part, the criminals.
[quote][p][bold]dsom73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]timcore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]far2bizzy[/bold] wrote: It’s all well and good arguing the toss about filling salt bins, but what I want to know is how is it expected to get from the bins to the paths where it needs to be. Bins may have been filled on Wednesday – but on my 5 mile walk (slide) through the suburbs yesterday there was no sign whatsoever of any salt on the pavements.[/p][/quote]What you do is - walk to your nearest salt bin with a bucket or similar, fill it up, take it home and throw it around! It's self service[/p][/quote]Is this what we pay our council tax for?[/p][/quote]For the free salt, yes.[/p][/quote]Making us pay for free stuff? That's genius on their part, the criminals. timcore

3:19pm Fri 18 Jan 13

roskoboskovic says...

pathetic.
pathetic. roskoboskovic

3:25pm Fri 18 Jan 13

chunks says...

What a complete none story this is.

Salt bins weren't filled, but they didn't need to be.

Now that they might be needed, they've been filled.

I'd love to know what "pre-emptive action" Cllr Ayre had in mind. But know doubt he'll be flushed with the sense of satisfaction that must surely come from knowing that the salt bins in his ward are filled.
What a complete none story this is. Salt bins weren't filled, but they didn't need to be. Now that they might be needed, they've been filled. I'd love to know what "pre-emptive action" Cllr Ayre had in mind. But know doubt he'll be flushed with the sense of satisfaction that must surely come from knowing that the salt bins in his ward are filled. chunks

3:59pm Fri 18 Jan 13

YSTClinguist says...

I found salt in the road at a junction in Clifton today, not the main road. I cycled round the corner and wondered "Why that now?" Must have been one of those self service bins some enterprising person put out in a sensible fashion.

I was pondering this, because the foot areas on the bridge at the top of Wilton Rise and Holgate Bridge has been icy for the last few days. Not just a little bit icy, but joined up , "you're ending up on your a**e unless someone comes and salts me now!" icy.
I found salt in the road at a junction in Clifton today, not the main road. I cycled round the corner and wondered "Why that now?" Must have been one of those self service bins some enterprising person put out in a sensible fashion. I was pondering this, because the foot areas on the bridge at the top of Wilton Rise and Holgate Bridge has been icy for the last few days. Not just a little bit icy, but joined up , "you're ending up on your a**e unless someone comes and salts me now!" icy. YSTClinguist

4:10pm Fri 18 Jan 13

helzwash says...

Have you seen outside the Next store on Coney street? They went a bit OTT with salt surrounding their entrance/exit.

I chortled as I went past.
Have you seen outside the Next store on Coney street? They went a bit OTT with salt surrounding their entrance/exit. I chortled as I went past. helzwash

6:16pm Fri 18 Jan 13

south bronx red 2 says...

Has Councillor Ayre sobered up yet ?
Has Councillor Ayre sobered up yet ? south bronx red 2

9:29pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Willy Eckerslike says...

I was pondering this, because the foot areas on the bridge at the top of Wilton Rise and Holgate Bridge has been icy for the last few days. Not just a little bit icy, but joined up , "you're ending up on your a**e unless someone comes and salts me now!" icy.

Contact Network Rail, they are responsible for the bridge, they own it not the council
I was pondering this, because the foot areas on the bridge at the top of Wilton Rise and Holgate Bridge has been icy for the last few days. Not just a little bit icy, but joined up , "you're ending up on your a**e unless someone comes and salts me now!" icy. Contact Network Rail, they are responsible for the bridge, they own it not the council Willy Eckerslike

11:16pm Fri 18 Jan 13

south bronx red 2 says...

They'll be too busy. Havent you heard ? Buzz Aldrin is somewhere on the east coast train line.
They'll be too busy. Havent you heard ? Buzz Aldrin is somewhere on the east coast train line. south bronx red 2

12:21am Sat 19 Jan 13

bob the builder says...

south bronx red 2 wrote:
They'll be too busy. Havent you heard ? Buzz Aldrin is somewhere on the east coast train line.
One big step for man, one giant slide for mankind if he'd got out at York - the USA would have probably sent a drone to deal with our errant councillors for neglecting to salt the pavements!
[quote][p][bold]south bronx red 2[/bold] wrote: They'll be too busy. Havent you heard ? Buzz Aldrin is somewhere on the east coast train line.[/p][/quote]One big step for man, one giant slide for mankind if he'd got out at York - the USA would have probably sent a drone to deal with our errant councillors for neglecting to salt the pavements! bob the builder

7:18am Sat 19 Jan 13

Bobby12 says...

Have we all not learnt to rely on ourselves in life. If you want something doing properly in this day and age, do it yourself and set an example. Buy your own salt, shovel your own snow, and buy some grip for your shoes. Work with the snow not against it! Councillors would probably argue the over the table given half a chance!
Have we all not learnt to rely on ourselves in life. If you want something doing properly in this day and age, do it yourself and set an example. Buy your own salt, shovel your own snow, and buy some grip for your shoes. Work with the snow not against it! Councillors would probably argue the over the table given half a chance! Bobby12

8:31am Sat 19 Jan 13

Candy Cupcake says...

Anybody with half a brain cell would realise that keeping the salt ins stocked and the paths gritted and cleared would reduce the amount of falls and broken bones, especially for elderly citizens of the city, have the Council not done a cost analysis??? If an elderly person falls and breaks a bone the rehabilitation is so much longer and in most cases requires lengthy stays in hospital, and then on their return to home will require care in the community funded by .. yes you guess the council.... I have battled to get a salt bin in Acomb to cover the Road between the Chemist, pedestrian Crossing and the Post Office, which is a very busy area used by elderly residence, last year I had to call an ambulance to 4 elderly people who slipped on the ice, the council's response .. sorry we have no money in the budget!!! but obviously there is plenty of money in the Care budget for rehabilitation!! If these clowns ran a private business, it would be in receivership within 6 months!
Anybody with half a brain cell would realise that keeping the salt ins stocked and the paths gritted and cleared would reduce the amount of falls and broken bones, especially for elderly citizens of the city, have the Council not done a cost analysis??? If an elderly person falls and breaks a bone the rehabilitation is so much longer and in most cases requires lengthy stays in hospital, and then on their return to home will require care in the community funded by .. yes you guess the council.... I have battled to get a salt bin in Acomb to cover the Road between the Chemist, pedestrian Crossing and the Post Office, which is a very busy area used by elderly residence, last year I had to call an ambulance to 4 elderly people who slipped on the ice, the council's response .. sorry we have no money in the budget!!! but obviously there is plenty of money in the Care budget for rehabilitation!! If these clowns ran a private business, it would be in receivership within 6 months! Candy Cupcake

12:31am Sun 20 Jan 13

Magicman! says...

The salt bins are there for people to use the salt mainly on the footpath outside their house, with a bit onto the road, and a remainder onto their own private driveways. You might notice that generally these salt bins are positioned on roads which don't get gritted by machines so there is a subtle hint there: do it yourself. When the first lot of snow fell I had a full barrow of salt from last year, I went out there with a snow shovel to clear a track along the pavement in front of my house and both my surrounding neighbours' houses, then salted it and finished off with my own driveway - took me 15 minutes at the most because the snow was still fresh.
And that's all it takes is for 1 of every 3 people in a street to have a few spare minutes to move some snow around and flick a bit of salt down, and you'd end up with a nice clear pavement the full length of the road. But apparently it's always 'somebody elses job'.
The salt bins are there for people to use the salt mainly on the footpath outside their house, with a bit onto the road, and a remainder onto their own private driveways. You might notice that generally these salt bins are positioned on roads which don't get gritted by machines so there is a subtle hint there: do it yourself. When the first lot of snow fell I had a full barrow of salt from last year, I went out there with a snow shovel to clear a track along the pavement in front of my house and both my surrounding neighbours' houses, then salted it and finished off with my own driveway - took me 15 minutes at the most because the snow was still fresh. And that's all it takes is for 1 of every 3 people in a street to have a few spare minutes to move some snow around and flick a bit of salt down, and you'd end up with a nice clear pavement the full length of the road. But apparently it's always 'somebody elses job'. Magicman!

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