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Shameful view of city beggars

10:50am Monday 5th May 2008

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THE following is a reply to your Page 5 article on beggars (Begging battle, April 28).

Why a millionaire like Mr Hattersley wants to apply the full force of the State to remove the beggars from the streets of York reveals more about Mr Hattersley than the beggars.

It is his attitude that is "shameful" and not the presence of the beggars.

Joseph Rowntree brought far more wealth to York than this man could dream of, but instead of feeling "shame", he used his good fortunes to help the poor, solve problems and help people out of poverty.

Brushing them off the streets so that York could look like a "chocolate box" to visitors was never his solution. Mr Hattersley's argument that "many of these beggars make a career out of it... some even clock off for lunch" is crass and insensitive.

When I see a beggar on the street, I pull up my coat and hold my child closer because I know that "there for the grace of God..." go any one of us.

Beggars, the infirm, the elderly, the feckless, the mentally ill and, may I say, millionaires are all part of York's tapestry of life, for good or ill.

Mr Hattersley might wish to see how long he would last on the streets. He could even explain how cleaners pay more tax than the rich, which really is "shameful". If not, he should enjoy his own success and if he can't help the poor he should desist from persecuting these troubled people.

David Bush, Jasmine Close, New Earswick, York.


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Bemused, York says...
11:02am Mon 5 May 08

Mr Hattersley's argument that "many of these beggars make a career out of it... some even clock off for lunch" is crass and insensitive.

And also very true.
Why a millionaire like Mr Hattersley wants to apply the full force of the State to remove the beggars from the streets of York

I believe he will be supported by the majority of the citizens of York who visit the city centre. The shameful thing is that Mr Hattersley has to use his wealth to take legal action to try to make the police enforce laws that have been on the statute book since 1824.

We should not have to rely on people like Mr Hattersley to make our streets safe, it's the job of the police.

Mr_Soul, says...
6:38pm Mon 5 May 08

You can't really expect any sense from anyone with Bush as a surname.

TooRad, york says...
7:32pm Mon 5 May 08

An excellent letter, well said Mr. Bush.
Not I like to see beggars on the streets, but I'd rather see them than uptight rich ****s who care more about their sugar-pile than people.

Mr_Soul, says...
8:59pm Mon 5 May 08

It is anything but an excellent letter.

It is a typical hand-wringing apology for scumbags who can't get it together to make their own way in life honestly.

Mr Hattersley has every right to take the action he has done.

I am completely fed up of this "feel sorry for them" attitude.

A society that insists on helping everyone is a society where everyone soon needs help.

petethefeet, York says...
9:48pm Mon 5 May 08

It's a perplexing issue to strike a balance between societies obligation to provide a safety-net for the genuine needy whilst still ensuring that the vast majority look after themselves and contribute to society. What is sure is that this has to be "managed", by the authorities and by recognised organisations and charities. Begging only helps the opportunists and actually turns people against the real needy.

andyb2, york says...
10:36pm Mon 5 May 08

Mr Soul has so much pent-up resentment and aggression I am sure it wouldn`t take much too tip him over the edge, and turn him into another Mad Albert. I would throw him the odd coin and hand out some good socially responsible advice.

andyb2, york says...
10:36pm Mon 5 May 08

Mr Soul has so much pent-up resentment and aggression I am sure it wouldn`t take much too tip him over the edge, and turn him into another Mad Albert. I would throw him the odd coin and hand out some good socially responsible advice.

TooRad, york says...
11:17pm Mon 5 May 08

Mr_rSoul said:
I am completely fed up of this "feel sorry for them" attitude

It's not about feeling sorry for beggars.
It's about despising rich ****ers who fool the easily led like you into voluntarily picking on other people so that you can become an unpaid volunteer helping to further their wealth.

Mr_Soul, says...
11:45pm Mon 5 May 08

Don't be so ridiculous.

One thing I am not is "easily led". If anyone has a business interest that is being jeapoardised by spongers creating a nuisance outside their premises then they have every right to complain and take action.

I think Mr Hattersley is being very reserved in his actions. I would consider fire and other options to get rid of the parasites.

magicman!, york says...
1:03am Tue 6 May 08

Mr Hattersley was complaining about the professional beggers, who are often very rude and intimidating to people passing by.
Therefore, this letter is void as it's content does not match the context of Mr Hattersley's comments.

magicman!, york says...
1:03am Tue 6 May 08

Mr Hattersley was complaining about the professional beggers, who are often very rude and intimidating to people passing by.
Therefore, this letter is void as it's content does not match the context of Mr Hattersley's comments.

TooRad, york says...
8:00am Tue 6 May 08

How many more times?!
I'm in town every single day. I see a lot of the same beggars every day. I have NEVER EVER seen ANY of them being aggressive or intimidating. They are mostly too wrecked and shambolic. There is a myth being perpetuated by Mr. Sugar-pile and commentators here.

And anyway, so what if they are professional beggars? Under our economic system there's loads of similarly offensive, amoral and debasing ways to make your daily bread. Just ask anyone in tabloid journalism, marketing or politics.

Jo, York says...
9:19am Tue 6 May 08

Well said, TooRad.

GeorgeAppleby, Clifton, York. says...
9:26am Tue 6 May 08

And anyway, so what if they are professional beggars? Under our economic system there's loads of similarly offensive, amoral and debasing ways to make your daily bread. Just ask anyone in tabloid journalism, marketing or politics.


Fair point; these people could teach them a bit about image promotion.

Hieronymous, York says...
9:44am Tue 6 May 08

I too am in town almost every day, and I have NEVER been hassled or intimidated by a begger - genuine or professional. I rarely give to them because of the risk that will/may use the money to buy drugs, but even then I've usually found them polite enough. Oddly, the only "Street Person" who's ever been rude to me was a Big Issue seller ... with whom I have no problem at all!

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