Fan shuttle bus plan for community stadium (From York Press)

You mean people will still be spending money in the City Centre?

I thought it was going to turn into a ghost town?

I've been lied too....

What is it with this carrot culture of providing everything for people? Shuttle buses??

Now isn't the time to be getting into more debt building a stadium. Unless the scheme is absolutely debt-free, in times of austerity (which haven't even properly started yet), building a brand new stadium is a no-no. Look at the egregious example of Darlington FC who have gone the way of Chester FC. Both got into loads of debt after building new stadiums and look at the result. Build the successful team first.

There simply isn't the demand for as many levels of professional football in the world. ITV proved this and nearly went bust when they paid a horrendous amount of wodge for TV rights to the football league which nobody wanted to watch. Yet another example of the overvalue of many things in this country.

Chester and Darlington. The two worst examples you could have used.

Shot your own arguement square in the foot with that one.

Reg

Some people like to veg on their own in front of the box watching premiership all star games, whilst a growing number in York like the afternoon on the terraces with their mates watching our team play good football. Each to their own, but if there's demand for shuttle buses then its a good idea.

Darlo's debt doesn't relate to the construction - its the running costs of building it too big!

Enjoy your TV (until the all stars exit for a greener field!)

What is park and ride for?

Sir Alex wrote:
Reg

Some people like to veg on their own in front of the box watching premiership all star games, whilst a growing number in York like the afternoon on the terraces with their mates watching our team play good football. Each to their own, but if there's demand for shuttle buses then its a good idea.

Darlo's debt doesn't relate to the construction - its the running costs of building it too big!

Enjoy your TV (until the all stars exit for a greener field!)

Where on earth in my post does it mention construction costs? It's the whole pie that's the problem. Running costs building are just one aspect of a business.

Buda is spelt Buddha, Arguement is spelt as Argument, Idiot is still spelt as Idiot.

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
What is it with this carrot culture of providing everything for people? Shuttle buses??

Now isn't the time to be getting into more debt building a stadium. Unless the scheme is absolutely debt-free, in times of austerity (which haven't even properly started yet), building a brand new stadium is a no-no. Look at the egregious example of Darlington FC who have gone the way of Chester FC. Both got into loads of debt after building new stadiums and look at the result. Build the successful team first.

There simply isn't the demand for as many levels of professional football in the world. ITV proved this and nearly went bust when they paid a horrendous amount of wodge for TV rights to the football league which nobody wanted to watch. Yet another example of the overvalue of many things in this country.

You've clearly not been following this at all have you?

Oakgate are going to pay for the vast majority of the stadium. No its not going to be free, CYC and YCFC are also contributing to it, but the vast majority of the build costs are going to be covered by the developer.

Darlington and Chesters problems had absolutely nothing to do with the ground. You honestly did choose a couple of really bad examples there.

running costs I expect will be no more and perhaps significantly less than those of Huntington Stadium, which will make way for this build

as its a rescue package for YC fc why should York citizens pay anything towards the ground?

If you need to provide a shuttle bus to a stadium, doesn't that rather prove that it's in the wrong location?

Oakgate are really grasping at straws with this one! Start a shuttle service picking up at certain pubs - alienate those pubs you don't pick up at. Segregate bus users for normal services from users of the shuttle services for the stadium (where at the station is the room for this and who pays? Oakgate? the Council - ie the York rate payer? the bus company?)

What a farce this is all becoming.

Oakgate are obviously beginning to realise that the vast majority of the people who pay taxes to the city council do NOT want this stadium - perhaps when James Alexander and his cronies realise the same we can move on and let the sports clubs in this City stand on their own 2 feet.

York City have had years to sort this out but under the leadership of their chairman they have sat around doing nothing to find a new home except make lots of noise and now they want the rest of us to fund a white elephant that will host a 1000 people for the rugby 20 times a year and 2000 people for the football 25 times a year.

What a waste of time and money this scheme is - the only winners will be Oakgate when they walk away with massive profits.

Lib Dems closed the Barbican and it helped oust them from power - Labour will push for this pointless stadium which, if it goes through, will have the same effect on their position of power as the Barbican had for the Lib Dems in York.

Oakgate are really grasping at straws with this one! Start a shuttle service picking up at certain pubs - alienate those pubs you don't pick up at. Segregate bus users for normal services from users of the shuttle services for the stadium (where at the station is the room for this and who pays? Oakgate? the Council - ie the York rate payer? the bus company?)

What a farce this is all becoming.

Oakgate are obviously beginning to realise that the vast majority of the people who pay taxes to the city council do NOT want this stadium - perhaps when James Alexander and his cronies realise the same we can move on and let the sports clubs in this City stand on their own 2 feet.

York City have had years to sort this out but under the leadership of their chairman they have sat around doing nothing to find a new home except make lots of noise and now they want the rest of us to fund a white elephant that will host a 1000 people for the rugby 20 times a year and 2000 people for the football 25 times a year.

What a waste of time and money this scheme is - the only winners will be Oakgate when they walk away with massive profits.

Lib Dems closed the Barbican and it helped oust them from power - Labour will push for this pointless stadium which, if it goes through, will have the same effect on their position of power as the Barbican had for the Lib Dems in York.

ISeeEverything wrote:
If you need to provide a shuttle bus to a stadium, doesn't that rather prove that it's in the wrong location?

But sadly its the only feasible location - where else would you get developers to provide the majority of the capital for a project of this magnitude? A fairly detailed feasibility study was performed several years ago detailing several sites in and around York including another city centre site, and this was the most feasible solution.

meme wrote:
as its a rescue package for YC fc why should York citizens pay anything towards the ground?

Because the council are getting a rather sizeable and potentially profitable asset for their own use out of it? Believe it or not its not just about York City.

This just shows what a waste of time and money the stadium will be, the football club has had 7 years to sort it out, they got themselves in the mire why should the tax payers of York bail them out?, let the supporters pay not the tax payers 90% of the people of York are not bothered about football.

Dr Brian wrote:
Oakgate are really grasping at straws with this one! Start a shuttle service picking up at certain pubs - alienate those pubs you don't pick up at. Segregate bus users for normal services from users of the shuttle services for the stadium (where at the station is the room for this and who pays? Oakgate? the Council - ie the York rate payer? the bus company?)

What a farce this is all becoming.

Oakgate are obviously beginning to realise that the vast majority of the people who pay taxes to the city council do NOT want this stadium - perhaps when James Alexander and his cronies realise the same we can move on and let the sports clubs in this City stand on their own 2 feet.

York City have had years to sort this out but under the leadership of their chairman they have sat around doing nothing to find a new home except make lots of noise and now they want the rest of us to fund a white elephant that will host a 1000 people for the rugby 20 times a year and 2000 people for the football 25 times a year.

What a waste of time and money this scheme is - the only winners will be Oakgate when they walk away with massive profits.

Lib Dems closed the Barbican and it helped oust them from power - Labour will push for this pointless stadium which, if it goes through, will have the same effect on their position of power as the Barbican had for the Lib Dems in York.

Oakgate provide a solution to a problem that could potentially be a banana skin, and some nimby's start making some terrible arguments against (and completely unrelated to the article)
The many people I speak to are not against this development. Many like the idea of a new home for YCFC and YCK paid for in the majority by a developer rather than with tax payers funds. Yes CYC will contribute towards the build, but at a substantially reduced rate, to create a facility which promotes health, wellbeing and recreation in the city. To provide a rather large asset for the use of the city. To show visitors what a progressive city York can be.
And to be pedantic, crowds at the football matches are a lot nearer to 3000 than 2000...

meme wrote:
as its a rescue package for YC fc why should York citizens pay anything towards the ground?

Because it's York's football club? I don't go to art galleries or go swimming. I also don't need schools or the police. Shall I start moaning about having to pay for these things? No, because it's part of your responsibility as a citizen and a human being to contribute.

Fruittom wrote:

meme wrote:
as its a rescue package for YC fc why should York citizens pay anything towards the ground?

Because it's York's football club? I don't go to art galleries or go swimming. I also don't need schools or the police. Shall I start moaning about having to pay for these things? No, because it's part of your responsibility as a citizen and a human being to contribute.

What a load of rubbish, why should I pay tax's to pay for a football club when the directors wont put their hands in their pockets, they sold the ground now they want the tax payers to bail them out, let them pay for everything.

JONNYGOODSHOES wrote:

Fruittom wrote:

meme wrote:
as its a rescue package for YC fc why should York citizens pay anything towards the ground?

Because it's York's football club? I don't go to art galleries or go swimming. I also don't need schools or the police. Shall I start moaning about having to pay for these things? No, because it's part of your responsibility as a citizen and a human being to contribute.

What a load of rubbish, why should I pay tax's to pay for a football club when the directors wont put their hands in their pockets, they sold the ground now they want the tax payers to bail them out, let them pay for everything.

It would help if you knew the actual facts about what happened to the ground rather than spouting off silly nonsense like this.

JONNYGOODSHOES wrote:

Fruittom wrote:

meme wrote:
as its a rescue package for YC fc why should York citizens pay anything towards the ground?

Because it's York's football club? I don't go to art galleries or go swimming. I also don't need schools or the police. Shall I start moaning about having to pay for these things? No, because it's part of your responsibility as a citizen and a human being to contribute.

What a load of rubbish, why should I pay tax's to pay for a football club when the directors wont put their hands in their pockets, they sold the ground now they want the tax payers to bail them out, let them pay for everything.

You really are a bit of a numpty aren't you?
Who do you think will own the ground when its built?
Who do you think YCFC and YCK will be paying rent to?

The current directors didn't sell the ground, a previous chairman did that. Having been asset stripped twice in the past 20 or so years cannot be blamed on the manager or owners. It can be blamed on the FA, who despite their claims and protestations, do nothing for lower league football.

Lets not also forget that this project will deliver facilities such as an explore library plus NHS hospital outpatient facilities.

The build promotes wellbeing and health, sport and community.

Considering the lions share of this is going to be paid for by private enterprise... That's a lot of benefit for CYC for minimal cost.

Don't blame the football club who were shafted by Craig, Swallow and Bachelor.Were it not for Jason McGill and other current Directors York City may have gone to the wall. They and the Supporters Trust(who still own 25%) saved the Club and they are currently doing very well and producing exciting football under Manager Gary Mills which has increased their home attendance.It has also produced some large figures for away games attendance.The Stadium is essential for the future of YCFC and the Knights(though Guilford doesn't seem to agree) and the City of York deserve such a stadium to support its Sport.

Dont care who sold the ground, the tax payers of York should not have to bail the soccer club out, it didnt with the rugby club.

JONNYGOODSHOES wrote:
Dont care who sold the ground, the tax payers of York should not have to bail the soccer club out, it didnt with the rugby club.

Didn't it? So where do the Knights play then?

The huntington stadium which was paid for by the sale of the old ground, but city will have no money left after the sale of their ground.

an explore library plus NHS hospital outpatient facilities.
OH GREAT, Terrific community facilities then!! NOT...Lets talk turkey. Its a rescue package for YC fc NOT a true community stadium.
However I believe it should go ahead as i think the extra retail is good for York but I dont want to put a bean towards it ,Oakgate should pay 100%, and if YC fc get a new ground that works for them so be it. I will object to it if York City ratepayers have to put anything in the pot now or ever in the future. York City fc is a business NOT a community asset. I dont support them and never will so why should I pay anything towards a club who dont even play in the main leagues? And as far as I know york Knights suffer from this proposal or at least say they will and they are solvent which is more than YC fc are!
so I repeat. I am for it so long as nobody in York puts a penny into the pot now or ever but against it if we have to

meme wrote:
an explore library plus NHS hospital outpatient facilities.
OH GREAT, Terrific community facilities then!! NOT...Lets talk turkey. Its a rescue package for YC fc NOT a true community stadium.
However I believe it should go ahead as i think the extra retail is good for York but I dont want to put a bean towards it ,Oakgate should pay 100%, and if YC fc get a new ground that works for them so be it. I will object to it if York City ratepayers have to put anything in the pot now or ever in the future. York City fc is a business NOT a community asset. I dont support them and never will so why should I pay anything towards a club who dont even play in the main leagues? And as far as I know york Knights suffer from this proposal or at least say they will and they are solvent which is more than YC fc are!
so I repeat. I am for it so long as nobody in York puts a penny into the pot now or ever but against it if we have to

I kind of believe (though may be unfounded I don't know!) that the council aren't niaive or stupid enough to do this without ensuring they are getting everything they can out of the developing company. There should be an aceptable return for each party.
I DON'T believe that Oakgate are going to walk out of this with millions like you seem to do. I expect they will be getting a suitable return on their investment.
By the way, the rent on the property will be, what, £200k pa? Say CYC put in £2m. after costs that's going to be 5% perhaps? That does not include any other income other than the football and rugby. That's a good return in any language. Add to that other income streams and that return is looking pretty healthy.

On a more practical note, if the buses will be picking up people from pubs, will they have toilets on them?

The Green-Tory anti-stadium alliance really ought to check its facts before making nonsensical statements.

The current directors of YCFC did not sell the ground. In fact they negotiated a deal to buy it back, meaning the revenue from its eventual sale can go towards paying for the new stadium.

Where is the evidence that most citizens oppose the new stadium? It's an assertion that doesn't match my observations of what people at work (60+ of them and only two or three City fans) are saying.

It's rubbish to pretend the council is spending millions on this. The amount it's spending pales into insignificance compared to what's spent on other leisure activities in the city. How many York citizens regularly visit the theatre or the opera or the art gallery or the museums for example?

As somebody said at the meeting about this issue, the football, rugby, and athletics club are part of the fabric of the city and deserve the same sort of support that other organisations get,

JONNYGOODSHOES wrote:
This just shows what a waste of time and money the stadium will be, the football club has had 7 years to sort it out, they got themselves in the mire why should the tax payers of York bail them out?, let the supporters pay not the tax payers 90% of the people of York are not bothered about football.

Can't believe people are still saying this? If you can't be bothered to read up on the topic, please don't post.
Meme - just because you don't want a community stadium, this doesn't mean its not an asset. We live in a democracy and sadly for the terminally selfish, it means that some of your taxes go towards things that you might not use. Do you have children? If not I presume your are against schools being built, teachers being employed.

Fruittom wrote:

meme wrote:
as its a rescue package for YC fc why should York citizens pay anything towards the ground?

Because it's York's football club? I don't go to art galleries or go swimming. I also don't need schools or the police. Shall I start moaning about having to pay for these things? No, because it's part of your responsibility as a citizen and a human being to contribute.

Precisely - there you go Meme; what most reasonable people think. I presume you chose your user name to reflect your only interest in life!! :-)

Why are people so stupid? If it's not one thing that you're speaking without anything anywhere near the facts and you choose to simply make things up, people then spell it out for you in a couple of pretty basic sentences but you just choose to ignore it. What does that achieve? Do you think the council are going te come on here and suddenly change their views because someone on the internet got bored and decided to make stuff up? What an odd mentality some people have.

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:

Sir Alex wrote:
Reg

Some people like to veg on their own in front of the box watching premiership all star games, whilst a growing number in York like the afternoon on the terraces with their mates watching our team play good football. Each to their own, but if there's demand for shuttle buses then its a good idea.

Darlo's debt doesn't relate to the construction - its the running costs of building it too big!

Enjoy your TV (until the all stars exit for a greener field!)

Where on earth in my post does it mention construction costs? It's the whole pie that's the problem. Running costs building are just one aspect of a business.

Buda is spelt Buddha, Arguement is spelt as Argument, Idiot is still spelt as Idiot.

Sean is spelt Shaun. Idiot.

Never mind a shuttle bus. Bring back the disco trains of the 70's and 80's

JONNYGOODSHOES wrote:
The huntington stadium which was paid for by the sale of the old ground, but city will have no money left after the sale of their ground.

It was originally called Ryedale Stadium because Ryedale District Council paid a lot towards this along with Water World etc. when it was in Ryedale's area before the boundary change.

Dr Brian, ISeeEverything, JohnnyGoodSoes and ReginaldBiscuit all make serious & valid points. Thank you.

The rest of you are funny.

nickeggleton wrote:
Dr Brian, ISeeEverything, JohnnyGoodSoes and ReginaldBiscuit all make serious & valid points. Thank you.

The rest of you are funny.

JohnnyGoodshoes clearly doesn't understand a word of what he's on about, and I expect you know that.

Reginald biscuit giving examples of Darlington and Chester clearly shows he doesn't ether.

ISeeEverything hasn't obviously read the feasibility studies pointing out the various advantages and disadvantages of each site (issued before the monks cross proposals.

What you've actually done is read through the above comments, picked out those with a negative slant, and named them. Well done you!

speaks99 wrote:

nickeggleton wrote:
Dr Brian, ISeeEverything, JohnnyGoodSoes and ReginaldBiscuit all make serious & valid points. Thank you.

The rest of you are funny.

JohnnyGoodshoes clearly doesn't understand a word of what he's on about, and I expect you know that.

Reginald biscuit giving examples of Darlington and Chester clearly shows he doesn't ether.

ISeeEverything hasn't obviously read the feasibility studies pointing out the various advantages and disadvantages of each site (issued before the monks cross proposals.

What you've actually done is read through the above comments, picked out those with a negative slant, and named them. Well done you!

Typical city supporter if you dont agree with them then you dont know what your talking about, I know city got themselves into trouble and want everyone else to bail them out, I dont see why I should or anyone else whos not bothered about football, theres a lot better things to spend our tax's on.

JohnnyGoodShoes wrote:
"What a load of rubbish, why should I pay tax's to pay for a football club when the directors wont put their hands in their pockets, they sold the ground now they want the tax payers to bail them out, let them pay for everything."

Clearly shows what limited understanding of the problem you actually have...

Johnygoodshoes must be an internet troller, nobody is that misinformed or stupid.