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York Economic Partnership backs Monks Cross shopping scheme

Peter Kay: City centre resilient Peter Kay: City centre resilient

YORK Economic Partnership has given its backing to plans to expand Monks Cross shopping centre as part of an application to build a Community Stadium in York.

Its chairman, Peter Kay, said the York Economic Partnership agreed that if York’s overall gross value added (GVA) were increased by the development, then it would be in favour of it.

He said expert opinion supports the view that York’s overall GVA will increase significantly as a result of the substantial investment.

He said: “We should also think about the future employment of our young people by two of the best employers in the UK. Would York really turn its back on such an opportunity and refuse to help the employment prospects of its citizens?”

Mr Kay said there had been many arguments against the development based on opinion rather than expert knowledge, and that York’s city centre was resilient as shown by its status as one of the best performing cities for occupancy, with fewer than 10 per cent of shops left empty.

He said the recent view of Britain’s High Streets by retail expert Mary Portas reiterated general planning policy guidance and was not specific to York.

He said: “This is not a choice between two locations. It is a choice between the Vangarde site at Monks Cross or not at all. It is a choice whether to welcome a large investment in York by Marks & Spencer and John Lewis or to tell them that their investment is not welcome in York. ‘You are welcome in York but only in the city centre’ is not an option. It is at Monks Cross or not at all.”

‘It would add a spark’

WITH the plans for the expansion of Monks Cross revealed, Faye Dobson asked shoppers in York what they thought.

Peter Berry, of Ripon, never visits the out-of-town shopping centre. However, he said: “A John Lewis would make the trip out there worth it for me as it’s something the city doesn’t have. York makes a healthy living out of the tourists so I don’t think it’ll affect the city centre too much.”

Josh Hudson, 20, also expects the expansion to attract more visitors. He said: “I’ll go more. It’s something extra and adds a spark. I don’t want it to draw people away from the city, so maybe small tweaks would be better than a large expansion but it’s good to see them making the most of the land up there.”

Deborah Bates from Overton said: “It won’t stop everyone from coming into town because some people don’t have transport. In some ways it’s a good thing but it’s definitely a bad thing for the city centre.”

Paul Austin from Dunnington said: “The new development will make everything too easy. The buses into the city are too expensive so people will be more inclined to use the park and ride. I think the city will turn into a theme park for tourists.”

Aura Jones, who lives in York city centre, said: “I don’t drive and I’m against the increased use of cars to get to Monks Cross. I like that a lot of people walk and cycle to get into York.”

Freya Lovett, a student from Huntington, said: “I think different shops would have more impact – especially for young people. Generally though, the city is nicer. It’s more interesting and has a better atmosphere so I don’t think people will stop coming.”

Comments(20)

nickeggleton says...
9:09am Thu 22 Dec 11

There can be no 'evidence' when forecasting. It's all opinion.

I can't argue with a desire for increased GVA long-term, but 'expert' opinion is divided.

MX2 will create some jobs and profits for mega businesses, but will that outweigh the jobs lost and the local supply chain for small businesses?

Not in my opinion.

I choose to take heed of CYC former retail advisors who warn that far from growing GVA, the cost could be up to £89m p.a to the city centre.

I choose to take heed of York Conservation Trust research that shows that would cost 3500 jobs.

I choose Centros statement that Picadilly would be unlikely to be developed.

I choose common-sense.

Dobkin says...
9:35am Thu 22 Dec 11

Just a shame the overwhelming majority choose Monks Cross. Time to stop discussing and start building.

KAT1965 says...
9:44am Thu 22 Dec 11

nickeggleton wrote:
There can be no 'evidence' when forecasting. It's all opinion.

I can't argue with a desire for increased GVA long-term, but 'expert' opinion is divided.

MX2 will create some jobs and profits for mega businesses, but will that outweigh the jobs lost and the local supply chain for small businesses?

Not in my opinion.

I choose to take heed of CYC former retail advisors who warn that far from growing GVA, the cost could be up to £89m p.a to the city centre.

I choose to take heed of York Conservation Trust research that shows that would cost 3500 jobs.

I choose Centros statement that Picadilly would be unlikely to be developed.

I choose common-sense.
Unfortunately, vested interests drive most of the opinions on this issue!!!

nickeggleton says...
9:55am Thu 22 Dec 11

Dobkin wrote:
Just a shame the overwhelming majority choose Monks Cross. Time to stop discussing and start building.
What 'overwhelming' majority?

Majority of YCFC fans maybe - just! Thanks to incompetence.

Anyone who has a job in retail in the city centre or part of that supply chain will be at risk. I think the majority of them won't.

Dobkin says...
10:21am Thu 22 Dec 11

nickeggleton wrote:
Dobkin wrote:
Just a shame the overwhelming majority choose Monks Cross. Time to stop discussing and start building.
What 'overwhelming' majority?

Majority of YCFC fans maybe - just! Thanks to incompetence.

Anyone who has a job in retail in the city centre or part of that supply chain will be at risk. I think the majority of them won't.
Most people I speak to, and working in York with the general public that's a lot of people from all different walks of life, only a handful genuinely believe that a couple of extra shops at an already-existing shopping park would "destroy" the City Centre. We have 3 shopping parks on the outskirts of York and none of them have had much, if any, effect on the City Centre. The Council has a responsibility to provide facilities for ALL the people of Greater York, who also pay Council Tax, not just those who live down St Andrewgate. Plus the fact that, on a daily basis in the pages of the Press, there are several City Centre developments already happening and already in the pipeline for the future. Greater York was created a long time ago and the people in those boundary areas have had a raw deal for far too long.

KAT1965 says...
10:32am Thu 22 Dec 11

Whilst I am generally in favour of an expanded Monks Cross, there have to be questions raised as to the Partnership's comments in the light of how, despite their supposed impartiality, the Partnership are inextricably linked to the top brass at CYC.

Von_Dutch says...
10:40am Thu 22 Dec 11

Is this going to be it now until the thing's finally built? - Another day, another story in the Press about an organisation (most with vseted interests) pro/anti Monks Cross 2??... This could get very tiresome indeed.
Look, after experiencing the crushing hoards of people in the Parliament Street M&S yesterday daytime, do we honestly think they're going to close this cash-cow just because they've got a new one up at Monks X? No chance. So jobs are not going to be lost from this particular store. Yes the Piccadilly one's going, but that was always the case whether Monks X 2 went ahead or not. The only real change is going to be the provision of a John Lewis up at Monks Cross and do we honestly think one store has that much influence? People shopping in York tend to be tourists - a lot coming from cities which already have a John Lewis - they're not going to want to go to an out of town retail park just to experience the same - they come to York to experience the city centre. That will not change one bit.

johnabostock says...
10:47am Thu 22 Dec 11

"Von_Dutch says...
10:40am Thu 22 Dec 11

Is this going to be it now until the thing's finally built? - Another day, another story in the Press about an organisation (most with vseted interests) pro/anti Monks Cross 2??... This could get very tiresome indeed.
Look, after experiencing the crushing hoards of people in the Parliament Street M&S yesterday daytime, do we honestly think they're going to close this cash-cow just because they've got a new one up at Monks X? No chance. So jobs are not going to be lost from this particular store. Yes the Piccadilly one's going, but that was always the case whether Monks X 2 went ahead or not. The only real change is going to be the provision of a John Lewis up at Monks Cross and do we honestly think one store has that much influence? People shopping in York tend to be tourists - a lot coming from cities which already have a John Lewis - they're not going to want to go to an out of town retail park just to experience the same - they come to York to experience the city centre. That will not change one bit."

At last someone who has commonsense when writing their comments.

The Great Buda says...
11:00am Thu 22 Dec 11

York is going to end up like Castleford, but not because of Monks Cross the second coming; it will be due to a small number of people with vested interests holding the rest of York back.

The people of York do not exist purely to support the lives styles of a few; nor to they all live within the City Centre.

Fat Harry says...
11:35am Thu 22 Dec 11

To me, the "mega-businesses" like John Lewis and M&S are not substantially different to the handful of wealthy families that dominate much of York city centre.

All are intent on charging high prices and paying low wages, meaning the people of York lose out on both counts.

The venue of some of the explotation might change, but everything else remains the same.

A decent bus service to the new stadium is all I ask.

sortyorkout says...
11:39am Thu 22 Dec 11

Why has no one mentioned in this debate York Designer Outlet. Surely this has more of a negative effect on city centre retail than an expansion to Monks Cross?

Von_Dutch says...
11:52am Thu 22 Dec 11

But that's the point isn't it - All the doomsayers were predicting the death of the city centre with Clifton Moor when it was first built, Monks Cross when it was first built, and McArthur Glen when it was first built. The reality is, none of these harmed the city centre businesses at all and the addition of one John Lewis store up at an existing retail park isn't going to make one iota of difference to city centre trading.

The Great Buda says...
12:19pm Thu 22 Dec 11

York Designer Outlet isn't mentioned as it shows up the argument of the Anti-Monks Cross lot.

After all; just imagine how damaging it would be to their arguement if a City Centre trader also owned a shop at one of these out of town retail parks.

Von_Dutch says...
12:30pm Thu 22 Dec 11

Indeed... especially if the trader happened to be a certain chairman of York Chamber of Trade - who are the most vocal of opponents to Monks X 2...

bloodaxe says...
5:10pm Thu 22 Dec 11

The idea that York city centre is in decline is pure nonsense and this despite having a huge out-of-town retail presence relative to the size of the city. Of course anything can change but at the moment York seems to be one of the main centres for optimism in a generally weak sector. Must be to do with it being a very special place.

Even AndyD says...
5:13pm Sat 24 Dec 11

Well said, Peter Kay. When someone just talks common sense on this issue it is like a breath of fresh air. Its two more stores, people, how on earth can this destroy a city centre that didn't even blink when THREE whole retail parks were added?
Vested interested hypocrisy is being stripped away, those who are against out of town shopping despite having stores there, Mr Sinclair, are being exposed.
This will be built and the advantages to York employment, sport and community will be felt by all. Not that we shall forget who tried to ruin the plans, or clung to the Coppergate II alternative despite being against it only a few years ago. York is getting wise to these antics - lets have something the residents want and will benefit from.

Even AndyD says...
5:16pm Sat 24 Dec 11

Dobkin wrote:
nickeggleton wrote:
Dobkin wrote:
Just a shame the overwhelming majority choose Monks Cross. Time to stop discussing and start building.
What 'overwhelming' majority?

Majority of YCFC fans maybe - just! Thanks to incompetence.

Anyone who has a job in retail in the city centre or part of that supply chain will be at risk. I think the majority of them won't.
Most people I speak to, and working in York with the general public that's a lot of people from all different walks of life, only a handful genuinely believe that a couple of extra shops at an already-existing shopping park would "destroy" the City Centre. We have 3 shopping parks on the outskirts of York and none of them have had much, if any, effect on the City Centre. The Council has a responsibility to provide facilities for ALL the people of Greater York, who also pay Council Tax, not just those who live down St Andrewgate. Plus the fact that, on a daily basis in the pages of the Press, there are several City Centre developments already happening and already in the pipeline for the future. Greater York was created a long time ago and the people in those boundary areas have had a raw deal for far too long.
Absolutely - this scare-mongering is not only hugely incorrect, it is also an insult to one's intelligence.

I've yet to meet anyone who thinks two more stores will genuinely harm city centre trade.

joejamestom says...
1:01pm Wed 28 Dec 11

John lewis is a fantastic retailer, they do not have plans to be in the city centre they know what they want lets welcome them & the jobs & the trade they will attract!

lutone says...
10:48pm Wed 28 Dec 11

John Lewis and a large M&S would be a very positive addition to the city, a few city centre retailers should not be able to sway the decision when the majority of York shoppers seem to approve the scheme. York city centre gets a large chunk of its footfall/trade from tourists who generally do not use out of town retail parks.

I agree with others - stop discussing and start building as soon as possible.

lutone says...
10:48pm Wed 28 Dec 11

John Lewis and a large M&S would be a very positive addition to the city, a few city centre retailers should not be able to sway the decision when the majority of York shoppers seem to approve the scheme. York city centre gets a large chunk of its footfall/trade from tourists who generally do not use out of town retail parks.

I agree with others - stop discussing and start building as soon as possible.

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