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Council should shut all the loos

11:50am Friday 4th April 2008

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By Paul Willey »

IN THE days of old it was acceptable for women to urinate in the street. Skirts were so long and rigid, so all they did was stand over a drain cover and "spend a penny".

As fashion progressed and skirts got shorter, this practice stopped. However, the council at the time realised that public toilets were needed, and the first public toilets in York were opened in Silver Street, which is ironic considering that the replacement for Splash Palace could be located there too.

Local authorities, including York, do not have to provide public toilets, but it is done purely as the "right thing to do".

When I started at the council, there were toilets at Clifton Green, Clarence Street, Holgate Road, Lord Mayor's Walk and Haxby Road. Thinking back to childhood, I remember the toilets underneath what is now Yates's Wine Lodge and a toilet at each of the Bar Wall entrances, all now gone.

With this in mind, I suggest the council bites the bullet and saves a fortune by closing every public toilet in the city. Why have something they don't need to provide?

Year on year, regardless of who is in power, the toilets come under scrutiny. If it's not tourists whinging, it's residents - add the tourist board sticking its nose in and an investigation by The Press follows.

Let's cut to the chase. A public toilet is exactly that, a public toilet. No member of society is turned away, from the city gent to the smelly tramp, access is always allowed, the council does not erect signs on the toilet doors saying "these toilets are for patrons only".

Many letters to The Press have highlighted druggies' injecting and loitering in Parliament Street toilets. The council addressed this and installed ultraviolet light in the gents, which stopped addicts from finding a vein in their arms. True to form, people complained it was too dingy, so back to square one.

Then consider the smell. Waste from the ladies toilet in Parliament Street goes down and on its way passes the gents, which is underground. Add female waste to male waste and you have a marriage made in heaven en route to the main sewer. Of course it is going to smell.

Then we have the consumables, loo roll, soap, hand towels and so on. All these cost money, as does the electricity and wages, not to mention the price of repairing damage caused by vandalism.

I have no idea what yearly amount is spent on the upkeep of the toilets, but I reckon closing them all would go a long way to providing something worthwhile for residents.

I am 100 per cent in favour of the idea of asking shops to make their toilets available for all and sundry. However, I wouldn't pay them for the privilege, as has been suggested.

Shopkeepers have moaned about public toilets in the past. Let's see how they like shelling out for loo rolls and extra cleans. More importantly, let's see how they react to complaints and how long before the "patrons only" signs go up.

Paul Willey writes in a personal capacity, and not on behalf of City of York Council. Paul works for the council as head of a street cleaning team.

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sayitasitis, YORK says...
3:24pm Sun 22 Jun 08

krissi wrote:
sayitasitis wrote:
Galloway Out wrote: If you and your mates cleaned the toilets properly, there would be no problem.
If people were more respectful towards them there wouldnt be a problem surely? I noticed the toilets near that pub in Tanner Row were left open all night the other month,they were smashed to bits after 2 nights, who pays for that? You,me and the tax payer, why should we, we never smashed them up.
The Toilets do get cleaned PROPERLY..Its the public that have no respect nor regard for either the Toilets or the Cleaners..It is by far the worst job for any human, but someone has to do it!!them someones happen to be my staff!, I have commeted over to York from Leeds for the past six months and cleaned them Toilets daily, only to find dossers,drunks,,wank ers,two males having sex in the toilets, druggie,dead bodies,half dead bodies with needxles still in their arms etc , abuse,threats,and my staff stabbed with dirty needles.. Dispensors ripped off,grafitti all over,and **** thrown on walls and floors not to mention used condoms..So get off your high horses and come back to reality..Them Stinking Dirty Bogs, ARE CLEANED 4-5 TIMES DAILY..My staff clean and me clean up your dirty disgusting mess..You do not clean ours..!
I take it you are a little p***ed off?

krissi, leeds says...
10:47pm Fri 13 Jun 08

sayitasitis wrote:
Galloway Out wrote: If you and your mates cleaned the toilets properly, there would be no problem.
If people were more respectful towards them there wouldnt be a problem surely? I noticed the toilets near that pub in Tanner Row were left open all night the other month,they were smashed to bits after 2 nights, who pays for that? You,me and the tax payer, why should we, we never smashed them up.
The Toilets do get cleaned PROPERLY..Its the public that have no respect nor regard for either the Toilets or the Cleaners..It is by far the worst job for any human, but someone has to do it!!them someones happen to be my staff!, I have commeted over to York from Leeds for the past six months and cleaned them Toilets daily, only to find dossers,drunks,,wank
ers,two males having sex in the toilets, druggie,dead bodies,half dead bodies with needxles still in their arms etc , abuse,threats,and my staff stabbed with dirty needles..
Dispensors ripped off,grafitti all over,and **** thrown on walls and floors not to mention used condoms..So get off your high horses and come back to reality..Them Stinking Dirty Bogs, ARE CLEANED 4-5 TIMES DAILY..My staff clean and me clean up your dirty disgusting mess..You do not clean ours..!

Jason, says...
11:25am Sat 5 Apr 08

Close them all and put signs up to Paul's house

Brian, york says...
8:37pm Fri 4 Apr 08

Not sure why the toilets around York are so bad ,maybe the are just to outdated,if you go to the coast or other areas where the toilets are used by as many and probable more people they much more user friendly ,before any more are built it might be a good idea for cyc to find out how other councils got around these problems ,like design ,materials used for easy cleaning,security ect ,Iwould rather see money spent good toilet facilities (not hydraulics),dont see why shops should provide for people that dont even shop there ,shopkeepers already spend half their morning washing down the shop fronts from the drunks the night before.

sayitasitis, YORK says...
6:39pm Fri 4 Apr 08

Galloway Out wrote:
If you and your mates cleaned the toilets properly, there would be no problem.
If people were more respectful towards them there wouldnt be a problem surely?
I noticed the toilets near that pub in Tanner Row were left open all night the other month,they were smashed to bits after 2 nights, who pays for that?
You,me and the tax payer, why should we, we never smashed them up.

Galloway Out, says...
6:32pm Fri 4 Apr 08

If you and your mates cleaned the toilets properly, there would be no problem.

asmith99, Selby says...
3:39pm Fri 4 Apr 08

I don't use public loos - they smell, are filthy and I would rather pee my pants than pay the council for the priviledge! There are plenty of shops with loos these days ...

sayitasitis, YORK says...
12:59pm Fri 4 Apr 08

We are supposed to be a civilised society so why are the toilets a disgrace?
Why do the public make such a mess in them?
Why should the council provide them? Remember that toilet block near the DSS that was took on by a private person, she did it all up and charged 20p for the privelage, she closed 2 months later, nobody would pay to use them.
People do use the streets to do their buisness because the bogs are closed at night,why is that?
Druggies sleep in them and yobbos smash them up, some civillised society we are!

Jo, York says...
12:43pm Fri 4 Apr 08

I suggest the council bites the bullet and saves a fortune by closing every public toilet in the city. Why have something they don't need to provide?


Because they do need to provide them. We are supposed to be a civilised soceity, yet you're advocating we either do our business in the street, or rely on private businesses to provide a service the council should provide.

Perhaps we should get rid of street sweepers and let private businesses clean up the streets - might put you out of a job.

Tingtong, York says...
12:06pm Fri 4 Apr 08

Where do you suggest we go when we need the loo?
I'm sure you'll be one of the first to complain when your cleaning cr*p off the street!!

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