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Minster bids for £10 million Lottery grant to aid restoration
9:35am Friday 12th January 2007
YORK Minster could be in the running for a multi-million pound lottery grant.
If the bid for a £10 million Heritage Lottery Fund grant is successful, it will help finance the restoration of the Minster's magnificent East Front and the Great East Window.
HLF trustees will meet in July to make the final decision, a spokeswoman said today.
The application, which is still in its early stages, is one of the most substantial in the Minster's history.
The cash would boost the York Minster Revealed project, which is part of a £23 million appeal launched 18 months ago. The money would also fund smaller projects, although the Minster cannot yet confirm what they are.
The crumbling East Front, which boasts the largest expanse of medieval stained glass in the world, has suffered badly over the centuries from weathering and erosion.
More than £3 million has already been raised from events including an evening with TV gardener Alan Titchmarsh and a £1 million donation from an anonymous benefactor.
The appeal also won a £390,000 grant from the Heritage Lottery Fund last September, which will pay for the removal, storage and recording of priceless glass panels dating back to the early 15th century.
As part of the project, it is hoped visitors will be able to see craftsmen at work on the windows and inspect the stained glass from only inches away.
The medieval Bedern Chapel, situated near the Minster, is to be converted into a workshop for the glaziers, with open access provided for the public.
A crafts training and qualification programme for stained glass conservators will also be expanded and developed. When it first began, the restoration work proved more difficult than expected.
Stonemasons discovered so much stone tracery around the windows that needed to be replaced, that the glass panels would have to be removed.
Scaffolding will be needed outside the building for many years, and steel cables used to anchor the window tracery will have to be disconnected while cracked stones are replaced.
The restoration of the East Front is the Minster stoneyard's first major project of the 21st century, following the completion of the West Front restoration scheme in 2000.
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Keke, says...
10:25am Fri 12 Jan 07
Realist, says...
1:03pm Fri 12 Jan 07
However it completely overlooks the facts of this situation and the urgent need for funds to repair the fabric of the Cathedral. York Minster is a beautiful, impressive, moving building filled with history and stories. It is our responsibility to protect it for the next generation.
The Minster is responsible for drawing many millions of visitors to the city who go to spend in our shops, restaurants etc
Would the person behind the initial post really consent to seeing the Minster crumble?
The funds being applied for are from HLF and will be earmarked for this kind of project. Why should York Minster not bid for it?
The Minster is anything but cold and empty. It is a thriving hub of activity.
I am atheist and look forward to the gradual decline of religious belief in Western Society. However I do not wish to see further decline in our cultural heritage. If you wish for more support for good causes I would suggest you ensure you do all you can as an individual (eg volunteer to help the homeless) and secondly research facts and consider your opinions before posting such rubbish as that above.
Use the money for the needy, says...
1:22pm Fri 12 Jan 07
If you wish for more support for good causes I would suggest you ensure you do all you can as an individual (eg volunteer to help the homeless) and secondly research facts and consider your opinions before posting such rubbish as that above.
I don't know what you are on about.
I haven't indicated by the way whether I am religious or not.
I have tried to illustrate to people like you that there are many needy people in York for whom the £10 million would be life changing.
The Minster is an empty money pit and it is only your opinion that it is beautiful.
The Minster need not crumble - let the Church pay for it. After all the Church got much of its wealth through ill gotten means and of course it was William the Conqueror who stripped English landowners and destroyed the existing churches at the time of power and handed it to his appointed barons.
Again I don't know what you are on about regarding researching facts. Are you saying the Church can't pay for the Minster's upkeep It certainly has plenty of land and property.
As far as rubbish is concerned your mind is obviously full of it and the rouble is it also comes out of your aggressive mouth.
Spike, says...
2:01pm Fri 12 Jan 07
realist, says...
4:16pm Fri 12 Jan 07
2. ...people like me...?
3. There are people in the world to whom £50 would be life changing. So?
4. The Minster contributes massively to the wealth of the local economy, to the needs of many people through services it delivers and is certainly not empty.
5. It is only your opinion it is not beautiful.
6. I reiterate the money will be available through HLF for these specific purposes. The Minster may or may not be successful. If not the money won't go 'to the needy' it will go to another deserving city/project. I would like the Minster to be successful to help repair the damage and .
7. I have no idea if the Church can pay for the up keep - I expect HLF to assess this, the money won't go to the needy anyway (see point above)
Perhaps you would care to answer some of my points in the earlier post?
What of the tourist revenue generated by the Minster?
If you would prefer the HLF money not to come to York, where would you like it to go? (PS you can't say the needy)
Mark, says...
4:55pm Fri 12 Jan 07
Use the money for the needy, says...
5:08pm Fri 12 Jan 07
It is irrelevant whether you are religious.
Well you mentioned being atheist so was just clarifying things.
You have totally missed the point I was trying to make.
That the Minster is there due to religion and the church expects funds for its upkeep when the church should pay for it.
The point about Christ was that he would not have built the place and he would have spread the money and effort used out amongst the poor.
As far as revenue for York goes well that can remain but the funds should be taken from the Church.
The HLF money could be used to help the needy by helping low income locals in villages to buy housing and get local jobs for instance rather than the wealthy buying up villages for second homes.
The Minster represents all that is wrong with the relationship of State and the citizen - huge wasteful projects that benefit no one. Rather than improving everyone's life for the better.
DG, says...
5:42pm Fri 12 Jan 07
The needy come first, says...
6:08pm Fri 12 Jan 07
Irrespective of religion the Minster is a unique piece of history and engineering and should be preserved at all cost. It is part of out culture and those that would be happy to see it crumble would presumably like the UK to become a faceless characterless place like the USA.
People amaze me. Simply because a suggestion is made that the Church looks after its own building leads to the assumption that said building must crumble.
And the initial premise concerning how the symbol of the Minster would spend the money has been avoided.
No doubt when Henry 8th dissolved the monasteries it was frowned upon but the stone was put to great use.
It is all a matter of perspective and the way in which we prioritise our spending for the good of everyone.
realist, says...
7:00pm Fri 12 Jan 07
You avoid all my points and merely repeat yourself ad nauseum.
The money is not for the needy it is for buildings. I hope the Minster gets it. If they don't and it falls down and the tourists stop coming to York we all know where to send the needy that creates - to you for some moral guidance.
Thanks for a good debate.
Look after the needy, says...
7:21pm Fri 12 Jan 07
People amaze you due to your narrow minded solipsism.
You avoid all my points and merely repeat yourself ad nauseum.
Actually I find you rather nauseous.
The money is not for the needy it is for buildings. I hope the Minster gets it. If they don't and it falls down and the tourists stop coming to York we all know where to send the needy that creates - to you for some moral guidance.
I don't think you can read.
I have addressed your points but you ignore the basic premise of mine.
As far as solipsism is concerned this defines you perfectly as it is you who is the obsessed the one world in your own mind rather than explore the possibilities of a better use of our resources for the benefit of all.
The money is not for the needy it is for buildings. I hope the Minster gets it. If they don't and it falls down and the tourists stop coming to York we all know where to send the needy that creates - to you for some moral guidance.
That isn't what I said.
I said the Church should pay for its upkeep.
Even if the Minster decayed people would still come to York.
And as far as the needy are concerned you treat the issue far too lightly and rather cruelly. You obviously have a house and plenty of food and other things - many don't.
The Church has plenty of money look how much they spend on Bishopthorpe Palace and the nearby house for examples.
DG, says...
8:05pm Fri 12 Jan 07
The Church has plenty of money look how much they spend on Bishopthorpe Palace and the nearby house for examples.
How do you know? What do you base this all knowing assuption? Do you know how much it costs to upkeep one 'minster' let alone the many others in the UK.
I take it you are the churches accountant since you know so much.
Jack, says...
8:42pm Fri 12 Jan 07
zomg, says...
8:45pm Fri 12 Jan 07
People amaze you due to your narrow minded solipsism
You spelt "gayness" wrong
Use the money of the Church, says...
10:16pm Fri 12 Jan 07
Quote:Look after the needy.
The Church has plenty of money look how much they spend on Bishopthorpe Palace and the nearby house for examples.
The Church owns so much land and property it should look after its own buildings - an idiot knows that.
You spelt "gayness" wrong
You talk as though from experience and what that has to do with all this only your tiny mind knows!
TG, says...
10:20pm Fri 12 Jan 07
Mat, says...
12:37am Sat 13 Jan 07
Bemused, says...
2:55pm Sat 13 Jan 07
If the bid for a £10 million Heritage Lottery Fund grant is successful, it will help finance the restoration of the Minster's magnificent East Front and the Great East Window.
No point arguing the merits of the case, the money will be earmarked for something inconsequential south of Watford Gap, and in particular the LONDON Olympics.
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Use money for the needy, says...
10:11am Fri 12 Jan 07
Yet, if Christ were around today does anyone believe, he would, firstly sanction the building of such self-indulgent monoliths and secondly what does everyone think he would have done with the millions of pounds it has cost to build and maintain?
I seem to recall that Christ did not need a temple and seemed to use all of nature and human experience as his canvas for examples of morality, understanding and teaching - even for worship.
If he were around today, Christ would be more likely to be found in the backstreet's of the poor, ill, lonely and disadvantaged than basking in the limelight of a cold empty building that has cost so much to build in both human and financial terms.
Whether or not people believe in the story and teaching's of Christ. His teaching's mainly highlighted the need to share wealth and certainly prioritise how such wealth is administered.
I don't believe a humane philosopher such as Christ if he were handed £10 million, would have given this to the upkeep of the Minister, rather than give it to the needy.