Top Gun pilots create a buzz (From York Press)

Mister Sheen wrote:
They were well below the cloud for the duration - how else would people have got such a good view of them! Not bothered about the noise but they were engaged in manoeuvres that involved flying towards each other to within relatively close distances of each other! Also, they weren't flying all that fast and gave the impression that they could run the risk of stalling. All this over a heavily-populated area! Military equivalent of 'joy-riding' in my view.

voiceofnormalpeople wrote:

Mister Sheen wrote:
They were well below the cloud for the duration - how else would people have got such a good view of them! Not bothered about the noise but they were engaged in manoeuvres that involved flying towards each other to within relatively close distances of each other! Also, they weren't flying all that fast and gave the impression that they could run the risk of stalling. All this over a heavily-populated area! Military equivalent of 'joy-riding' in my view.

Flight engineer speaking above every 1. He Knows the stalling speed of a F15 and as he had his radar gun out could tell they were close to stalling. even though distance greatly restricts a persons ability to tell speed. not heard any 1 saying they got such a good view either especially with the fog. i was lucky that there was a clearing and just saw them high up. Another person also said they needed there binoclulars.
good job we all have our own views and not just the 1 person telling us what they believe we should all think.

You could be a politician........

voiceofnormalpeople wrote:
it seems we have a bunch of misserys on this web site. st time a military plane crashed over a city in england? st time an airliner crashed over a city? bet it is more! one off. i have been hearing these super load planes flying over for the last 6 months. so its not just american planes then is it. and it has always been the smae level of noise. the difference this time was i could see them for the first time as i had a cloud clearing. and in the west of york where i live they were high enough up to be classed as 6-10k ft.

l all this winging when the spit fire, hurricane and lancaster flew metres above the city mid year! and i know what had the most unreliable engines. one of those had 100times the chance of failing than the modern military planes flying now.
Still at least we know who the anti american people we have on here. 1 question. nationality?

Buzz Light-year wrote:
They were very loud but it was worth it because for once we got to see them.
Quite a sight.

All this whining about "what if something happened" is tedious and stupid.
What if the number 4 bus misses a turn and ploughs into your house?
What if the train derails?
What if the minster falls down?
What if the barista accidentally puts liquid nitrogen into your latte?
What if Jim'll is still alive?
What if Brad Bell wins the lottery while in jail and buy Heroin Foods and opens a street drinkers palace there?

For those people who are worried - stay indoors, switch on the TV and await further instruction. Do nothing else in the meantime.

Buzz Light-year wrote:
They were very loud but it was worth it because for once we got to see them.
Quite a sight.

All this whining about "what if something happened" is tedious and stupid.
What if the number 4 bus misses a turn and ploughs into your house?
What if the train derails?
What if the minster falls down?
What if the barista accidentally puts liquid nitrogen into your latte?
What if Jim'll is still alive?
What if Brad Bell wins the lottery while in jail and buy Heroin Foods and opens a street drinkers palace there?

For those people who are worried - stay indoors, switch on the TV and await further instruction. Do nothing else in the meantime.

capt spaulding wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:
They were very loud but it was worth it because for once we got to see them.
Quite a sight.

All this whining about "what if something happened" is tedious and stupid.
What if the number 4 bus misses a turn and ploughs into your house?
What if the train derails?
What if the minster falls down?
What if the barista accidentally puts liquid nitrogen into your latte?
What if Jim'll is still alive?
What if Brad Bell wins the lottery while in jail and buy Heroin Foods and opens a street drinkers palace there?

For those people who are worried - stay indoors, switch on the TV and await further instruction. Do nothing else in the meantime.

Thought you would have been up there with them Buzz , infinity and beyond .

lowbeam wrote:
I watched them for 5,6 mins at Exhibition Square,they were not actualy above the city but further over,Rufforth Tockwith way.
What is all the fuss about? They need to train..I can remember back in the late 70's been 'buzzed' by A10's up in Rosedale,and we were in a car!

Mister Sheen wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:
They were very loud but it was worth it because for once we got to see them.
Quite a sight.

All this whining about "what if something happened" is tedious and stupid.
What if the number 4 bus misses a turn and ploughs into your house?
What if the train derails?
What if the minster falls down?
What if the barista accidentally puts liquid nitrogen into your latte?
What if Jim'll is still alive?
What if Brad Bell wins the lottery while in jail and buy Heroin Foods and opens a street drinkers palace there?

For those people who are worried - stay indoors, switch on the TV and await further instruction. Do nothing else in the meantime.

Not likely! Plane wreckage might come in through the roof!

voiceofnormalpeople wrote:

Mister Sheen wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:
They were very loud but it was worth it because for once we got to see them.
Quite a sight.

All this whining about "what if something happened" is tedious and stupid.
What if the number 4 bus misses a turn and ploughs into your house?
What if the train derails?
What if the minster falls down?
What if the barista accidentally puts liquid nitrogen into your latte?
What if Jim'll is still alive?
What if Brad Bell wins the lottery while in jail and buy Heroin Foods and opens a street drinkers palace there?

For those people who are worried - stay indoors, switch on the TV and await further instruction. Do nothing else in the meantime.

Not likely! Plane wreckage might come in through the roof!

Better go and hide under a rock then. But what if the rock is to heavy? or what if its not big enough.

80 knots, took you long enough to look that up.

And i don't believe any military air craft are allowed to pratt around.

ps Did you have a set of points in the sky to judge the speed the aircraft flew between them? and to think all the special equiptment needed to be able to tell the speed an air craft is flying... maybe you could offer your services and save them millions in wasted technology.

Mister Sheen wrote:

voiceofnormalpeople wrote:

Mister Sheen wrote: They were well below the cloud for the duration - how else would people have got such a good view of them! Not bothered about the noise but they were engaged in manoeuvres that involved flying towards each other to within relatively close distances of each other! Also, they weren't flying all that fast and gave the impression that they could run the risk of stalling. All this over a heavily-populated area! Military equivalent of 'joy-riding' in my view.

Flight engineer speaking above every 1. He Knows the stalling speed of a F15 and as he had his radar gun out could tell they were close to stalling. even though distance greatly restricts a persons ability to tell speed. not heard any 1 saying they got such a good view either especially with the fog. i was lucky that there was a clearing and just saw them high up. Another person also said they needed there binoclulars. good job we all have our own views and not just the 1 person telling us what they believe we should all think. You could be a politician........

Graduate physicist, actually. One that has seen Top Gun four times!

pedalling paul wrote:
The vibration almost made me fall off my bike.......!

jumbojet wrote:
What a load of total nonsense from various members of this forum. If you are going to comment you really should know what you are talking about. The USAF or the RAF should not be playing games around the City of York, they have basically the whole of Yorkshire as an area of intense aviation activity, and they should NOT be playing games within the glide area of a large population. Totally out of order and someone needs a kick right up the aspect ratio, including RAF spokespersons who tell us who the idiots were, they should be controlling them. Chaos.

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
You could have some fun with these guys. You can trigger the Missile Approach Warning system on this particular type of aircraft quite easily by fooling the SAM sensors. The 2K12 Kub's used to carry spoofers to give enemy pilots 'winking sphincters'.

piaggio1 wrote:
Robin Rawson??

please tell me this guy,s comments were made up!!
what a absolute wimp

‏@cllrtraceysl tweeted,
#noiseoveryork. Close flying over York. Do they realise over city centre

pedalling paul wrote:
The vibration almost made me fall off my bike.......!

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

‏@cllrtraceysl tweeted, #noiseoveryork. Close flying over York. Do they realise over city centre

Does she realise that they follow flight paths and don't get lost ? Not everyone loses their sense of direction like York Council and the directionless labour councillors directing York to decay and disaster !

voiceofnormalpeople wrote:

Mister Sheen wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:
They were very loud but it was worth it because for once we got to see them.
Quite a sight.

All this whining about "what if something happened" is tedious and stupid.
What if the number 4 bus misses a turn and ploughs into your house?
What if the train derails?
What if the minster falls down?
What if the barista accidentally puts liquid nitrogen into your latte?
What if Jim'll is still alive?
What if Brad Bell wins the lottery while in jail and buy Heroin Foods and opens a street drinkers palace there?

For those people who are worried - stay indoors, switch on the TV and await further instruction. Do nothing else in the meantime.

Not likely! Plane wreckage might come in through the roof!

Better go and hide under a rock then. But what if the rock is to heavy? or what if its not big enough.

80 knots, took you long enough to look that up.

And i don't believe any military air craft are allowed to pratt around.

ps Did you have a set of points in the sky to judge the speed the aircraft flew between them? and to think all the special equiptment needed to be able to tell the speed an air craft is flying... maybe you could offer your services and save them millions in wasted technology.

deathwatch wrote:

voiceofnormalpeople wrote:

Mister Sheen wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:
They were very loud but it was worth it because for once we got to see them.
Quite a sight.

All this whining about "what if something happened" is tedious and stupid.
What if the number 4 bus misses a turn and ploughs into your house?
What if the train derails?
What if the minster falls down?
What if the barista accidentally puts liquid nitrogen into your latte?
What if Jim'll is still alive?
What if Brad Bell wins the lottery while in jail and buy Heroin Foods and opens a street drinkers palace there?

For those people who are worried - stay indoors, switch on the TV and await further instruction. Do nothing else in the meantime.

Not likely! Plane wreckage might come in through the roof!

Better go and hide under a rock then. But what if the rock is to heavy? or what if its not big enough.

80 knots, took you long enough to look that up.

And i don't believe any military air craft are allowed to pratt around.

ps Did you have a set of points in the sky to judge the speed the aircraft flew between them? and to think all the special equiptment needed to be able to tell the speed an air craft is flying... maybe you could offer your services and save them millions in wasted technology.

Hey, don't forget: 'Mr Sheen' has "seen Top Gun FOUR times" so he's obviously an expert! Plus he can tell the speed of an aircraft by looking at it from the ground with the naked eye. He probably knows how much fuel they have and the colour of the pilot's eyes...
Jeez, people are suddenly experts and have nothing else to whine about. I wonder if they wrote to Hitler in WWII to complain about the racket and the 'vibrations' making them 'spill their tea', during the bombing raids? Pathetic bunch of NIMBY's! Enjoy the free show you whinging old dicks!!!

Davroshasissues wrote:
I saw these perfectly clearly whilst on a break at work, my colleague thought they were F16's, so not far off. It was amazing to see such piloting skills, and if i'm honest, I was a little jealous that i wasn't up there...

I was at the Blackpool airshow recently where a Typhoon was doing stunts at about 600 feet above the Irish sea, trust me, that's noisy!!!

the_boy_03 wrote:
looking at the photo I would suggest the RAF spokesman was correct.
They look like anti collision lights to me on the side of the aircraft.
The aircraft is flying towards the camera so you are unable to see the engines.
If anyone has ever seen the afterburners kick in on an F15 or a Tornado etc then the "flames" from the jets are about 10 feet behind it in a solid glow.

I would imagine that the RAF would know their height better than someone stood on the ground looking up trying to judge the height of the cloud.

They would be tracked on radar and would be talking to a ground controller as it is controlled airspace.

It's not the first time it's happened IIRC it was in the afternon last time they flew round the city.

There's probably a nice picture of an F 15 over York haging on someones wall now.

Perhaps next time they can phone ahead so we can make sure all hot beverages are placed safely down in the interests of H & S.

Lotus Eater wrote:

the_boy_03 wrote:
looking at the photo I would suggest the RAF spokesman was correct.
They look like anti collision lights to me on the side of the aircraft.
The aircraft is flying towards the camera so you are unable to see the engines.
If anyone has ever seen the afterburners kick in on an F15 or a Tornado etc then the "flames" from the jets are about 10 feet behind it in a solid glow.

I would imagine that the RAF would know their height better than someone stood on the ground looking up trying to judge the height of the cloud.

They would be tracked on radar and would be talking to a ground controller as it is controlled airspace.

It's not the first time it's happened IIRC it was in the afternon last time they flew round the city.

There's probably a nice picture of an F 15 over York haging on someones wall now.

Perhaps next time they can phone ahead so we can make sure all hot beverages are placed safely down in the interests of H & S.

"They look like anti collision lights to me on the side of the aircraft.
The aircraft is flying towards the camera so you are unable to see the engines."

No. Just, no.

In the first picture (the one with the single aircraft), the aircraft is flying away from the camera. They are afterburners.

Coriolanus wrote:
Tremendous pieces of kit. Surely the second photo is a montage or the photographer's reactions are so good he ought to be a fighter pilot. Congrats if its the real thing. Is it?

mg1974 wrote:

Lotus Eater wrote:

the_boy_03 wrote:
looking at the photo I would suggest the RAF spokesman was correct.
They look like anti collision lights to me on the side of the aircraft.
The aircraft is flying towards the camera so you are unable to see the engines.
If anyone has ever seen the afterburners kick in on an F15 or a Tornado etc then the "flames" from the jets are about 10 feet behind it in a solid glow.

I would imagine that the RAF would know their height better than someone stood on the ground looking up trying to judge the height of the cloud.

They would be tracked on radar and would be talking to a ground controller as it is controlled airspace.

It's not the first time it's happened IIRC it was in the afternon last time they flew round the city.

There's probably a nice picture of an F 15 over York haging on someones wall now.

Perhaps next time they can phone ahead so we can make sure all hot beverages are placed safely down in the interests of H & S.

"They look like anti collision lights to me on the side of the aircraft.
The aircraft is flying towards the camera so you are unable to see the engines."

No. Just, no.

In the first picture (the one with the single aircraft), the aircraft is flying away from the camera. They are afterburners.

Given that in the first picture the nose is closest to the camera and the twin tails furthest away, behind the wings then it cannot be flying away from the camera... No, just no!

mg1974 wrote:

Lotus Eater wrote:

the_boy_03 wrote:
looking at the photo I would suggest the RAF spokesman was correct.
They look like anti collision lights to me on the side of the aircraft.
The aircraft is flying towards the camera so you are unable to see the engines.
If anyone has ever seen the afterburners kick in on an F15 or a Tornado etc then the "flames" from the jets are about 10 feet behind it in a solid glow.

I would imagine that the RAF would know their height better than someone stood on the ground looking up trying to judge the height of the cloud.

They would be tracked on radar and would be talking to a ground controller as it is controlled airspace.

It's not the first time it's happened IIRC it was in the afternon last time they flew round the city.

There's probably a nice picture of an F 15 over York haging on someones wall now.

Perhaps next time they can phone ahead so we can make sure all hot beverages are placed safely down in the interests of H & S.

"They look like anti collision lights to me on the side of the aircraft.
The aircraft is flying towards the camera so you are unable to see the engines."

No. Just, no.

In the first picture (the one with the single aircraft), the aircraft is flying away from the camera. They are afterburners.

Given that in the first picture the nose is closest to the camera and the twin tails furthest away, behind the wings then it cannot be flying away from the camera... No, just no!

Lotus Eater wrote:

mg1974 wrote:

Lotus Eater wrote:

the_boy_03 wrote:
looking at the photo I would suggest the RAF spokesman was correct.
They look like anti collision lights to me on the side of the aircraft.
The aircraft is flying towards the camera so you are unable to see the engines.
If anyone has ever seen the afterburners kick in on an F15 or a Tornado etc then the "flames" from the jets are about 10 feet behind it in a solid glow.

I would imagine that the RAF would know their height better than someone stood on the ground looking up trying to judge the height of the cloud.

They would be tracked on radar and would be talking to a ground controller as it is controlled airspace.

It's not the first time it's happened IIRC it was in the afternon last time they flew round the city.

There's probably a nice picture of an F 15 over York haging on someones wall now.

Perhaps next time they can phone ahead so we can make sure all hot beverages are placed safely down in the interests of H & S.

"They look like anti collision lights to me on the side of the aircraft.
The aircraft is flying towards the camera so you are unable to see the engines."

No. Just, no.

In the first picture (the one with the single aircraft), the aircraft is flying away from the camera. They are afterburners.

Given that in the first picture the nose is closest to the camera and the twin tails furthest away, behind the wings then it cannot be flying away from the camera... No, just no!

Yes, just yes!

I can see why you might think that the nose is closest - the brain is easily tricked - but if it was facing the way you said it is, then you wouldn't see the glow from the engines, and the auxilliary wing mounted fuel tank would not appear to be mounted above the wing.

Really, you need to take a closer look.