£175k earmarked to prepare business case for York traffic schemes (From York Press)

Nice to see everyone including myself ignoring the 20mph in South Bank. Thanks for wasting our money you bunch of morons.

Mr Anderson wrote:
Nice to see everyone including myself ignoring the 20mph in South Bank. Thanks for wasting our money you bunch of morons.

Not everyone.

does this moron ever come down the a19/fulford rd/fishergate.it s bloody obvious why it s congested,it s because of all the traffic lights,bus stops,pelican crossings,lollypop men.it s not rocket science man,just open your eyes.

roskoboskovic wrote:
does this moron ever come down the a19/fulford rd/fishergate.it s bloody obvious why it s congested,it s because of all the traffic lights,bus stops,pelican crossings,lollypop men.it s not rocket science man,just open your eyes.

Spot on!

If they double the ring road, surely that means twice as much traffic will be held up at every roundabout?

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:
Nice to see everyone including myself ignoring the 20mph in South Bank. Thanks for wasting our money you bunch of morons.

Not everyone.

Most people. Including me.

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
If they double the ring road, surely that means twice as much traffic will be held up at every roundabout?

Or the same amount of traffic will be delayed by half the amount of time.

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote: Nice to see everyone including myself ignoring the 20mph in South Bank. Thanks for wasting our money you bunch of morons.

Not everyone.

Most people. Including me.

Interesting, to what extent? 10%, 50%?

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote: Nice to see everyone including myself ignoring the 20mph in South Bank. Thanks for wasting our money you bunch of morons.

Not everyone.

Most people. Including me.

Interesting, to what extent? 10%, 50%?

Vast majority, including me. About 90% at a guess.

It is a huge waste of money.

AnotherPointofView wrote:

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote: Nice to see everyone including myself ignoring the 20mph in South Bank. Thanks for wasting our money you bunch of morons.

Not everyone.

Most people. Including me.

Interesting, to what extent? 10%, 50%?

Vast majority, including me. About 90% at a guess. It is a huge waste of money.

Sorry, the question was, to what extent does he break the speed limit?

Is this the south bank where its double parked? If so and your going over 30 mph your driving dangerously/reckless
ly. The reason is simple, every single car down there on each side of the road has the potention for a small child to run out. If your going over 30 mph you have no time to react if they pop out in front of you with your half ton piece of metal. Think about it with out the usual dross of comments.

Mr Udigawa wrote:

AnotherPointofView wrote:

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote: Nice to see everyone including myself ignoring the 20mph in South Bank. Thanks for wasting our money you bunch of morons.

Not everyone.

Most people. Including me.

Interesting, to what extent? 10%, 50%?

Vast majority, including me. About 90% at a guess. It is a huge waste of money.

Sorry, the question was, to what extent does he break the speed limit?

I manage 25/28 if I'm lucky.

asd wrote:
Is this the south bank where its double parked? If so and your going over 30 mph your driving dangerously/reckless

ly. The reason is simple, every single car down there on each side of the road has the potention for a small child to run out. If your going over 30 mph you have no time to react if they pop out in front of you with your half ton piece of metal. Think about it with out the usual dross of comments.

I'm always conscious of such an incident. Regardless of where I am or what the speed limit is. That's why I always drive with caution and I never drive over 30mph down Bish Rd.

Woody G Mellor wrote:

asd wrote: Is this the south bank where its double parked? If so and your going over 30 mph your driving dangerously/reckless ly. The reason is simple, every single car down there on each side of the road has the potention for a small child to run out. If your going over 30 mph you have no time to react if they pop out in front of you with your half ton piece of metal. Think about it with out the usual dross of comments.

I'm always conscious of such an incident. Regardless of where I am or what the speed limit is. That's why I always drive with caution and I never drive over 30mph down Bish Rd.

why do you never drive over 30mph down Bishy Road then Woody? There must be times when it's safe to do say 31 or 32mph?

roskoboskovic wrote:
does this moron ever come down the a19/fulford rd/fishergate.it s bloody obvious why it s congested,it s because of all the traffic lights,bus stops,pelican crossings,lollypop men.it s not rocket science man,just open your eyes.

Yes, it IS "bloody obvious" why it's congested. It's because hundreds of cars, and larger vehicles, are being driven along it. Neither Fulford Road nor the streets the traffic is feeding into have infinite capacity, so there comes a point when there are so many cars on the tarmac that they're reduced to walking pace, or slower.

I know this is going to come as a terrible shock to you but, funnily enough, other people besides motorists have a right to make their way around York. Because there's so much traffic, it's necessary to provide pelican crossings and lollipop men so they can do so safely. It's necessary to provide traffic lights so it's possible to get through junctions that would otherwise be constantly blocked by "me, me, me!" motorists, and without the buses, and therefore bus stops, there would be yet more cars snarling up Fulford Road and Fishergate - which is the cause of your problem in the first place. You're right, it's not rocket science.

And I'm wondering which motorist is going to be the first to complain that, since the Council gave in to the vociferous Water End Whingers, traffic entering the junction from Shipton Road/Clifton Road is tailing back even further, as CoYC not only removed the cycle lane but altered the phasing of the lights in favour of the drivers who wailed the loudest. Talk about rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic....

If York's traffic lights were phased more efficiently, including pedestrian crossings where the lights change to red at least twice per minute in peak times, then there'd instantly be a marked reduction in congestion.

A lot of people do rely on our expensive and unreliable bus service, but it has repeatedly been evident on days when the bus drivers held strike action, that the traffic has flowed far better around York - certainly the commuter routes I use were far less congested at peak times every day First buses were absent. There must be some routes where hopper buses can be used instead of great, empty single-deckers and there are certainly routes where buses should be prevented from standing for several minutes at a time, blocking the road.

Although the eco-cycle types on here don't usually believe it - look at how much better the traffic flows next time the traffic lights fail at any key junction in York. If a junction as complicated and busy as the Bootham/Gillygate one can function more efficiently (much shorter queues on every approach and people still managing to cross the road easily) with no traffic lights, why on earth have we got them burning electricity and vehicles' fuel at dozens of minor junctions around the city. Holgate Road/CPP junction is one prime example,

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

asd wrote: Is this the south bank where its double parked? If so and your going over 30 mph your driving dangerously/reckless ly. The reason is simple, every single car down there on each side of the road has the potention for a small child to run out. If your going over 30 mph you have no time to react if they pop out in front of you with your half ton piece of metal. Think about it with out the usual dross of comments.

I'm always conscious of such an incident. Regardless of where I am or what the speed limit is. That's why I always drive with caution and I never drive over 30mph down Bish Rd.

why do you never drive over 30mph down Bishy Road then Woody? There must be times when it's safe to do say 31 or 32mph?

Most of the time it's just not possible. That being another reason that 20mph is pointless and a waste of money.

I know your trying to get at something here so just go ahead and say it.

Consultants across the land are rubbing their hands with glee, as the City Of York keeps them in whisky for another Xmas yippee!

Sadly there are still many blinkered commentators who believe that the only successful transport strategy is one that creates the open road, which is seen on so many TV car ads. Dream on!

Yeah...dream on. It's not so bad though because they cannot win.

They oppose cycle lanes so more cyclists will take to their cars.

They oppose bus priority measures and so the buses get held up and bus use is discouraged.

They oppose speed limits so children will be driven to school by concerned parents rather than make their own way.

They oppose crossings so fewer people will walk.

What they cannot see is they they (the blinkered ones) are the cause of their own congestion.

It can only get worse.

Caecilius wrote:

roskoboskovic wrote:
does this moron ever come down the a19/fulford rd/fishergate.it s bloody obvious why it s congested,it s because of all the traffic lights,bus stops,pelican crossings,lollypop men.it s not rocket science man,just open your eyes.

Yes, it IS "bloody obvious" why it's congested. It's because hundreds of cars, and larger vehicles, are being driven along it. Neither Fulford Road nor the streets the traffic is feeding into have infinite capacity, so there comes a point when there are so many cars on the tarmac that they're reduced to walking pace, or slower.

I know this is going to come as a terrible shock to you but, funnily enough, other people besides motorists have a right to make their way around York. Because there's so much traffic, it's necessary to provide pelican crossings and lollipop men so they can do so safely. It's necessary to provide traffic lights so it's possible to get through junctions that would otherwise be constantly blocked by "me, me, me!" motorists, and without the buses, and therefore bus stops, there would be yet more cars snarling up Fulford Road and Fishergate - which is the cause of your problem in the first place. You're right, it's not rocket science.

And I'm wondering which motorist is going to be the first to complain that, since the Council gave in to the vociferous Water End Whingers, traffic entering the junction from Shipton Road/Clifton Road is tailing back even further, as CoYC not only removed the cycle lane but altered the phasing of the lights in favour of the drivers who wailed the loudest. Talk about rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic....

Caecilius wrote:

'And I'm wondering which motorist is going to be the first to complain that, since the Council gave in to the vociferous Water End Whingers, traffic entering the junction from Shipton Road/Clifton Road is tailing back even further'


It's just appalling...all that expense, huff and puff and (surprise,suprise) the traffic backs up in all directions just as bad has before - despite all the fiddling with the light phases to try and make it look like a success.

Seems it wasn't the cycle lane causing the congestion after all?

^ Well that explains it then. Water End only now appears to have less congestion because the total green time is longer at the expense of less green and more red for the A19. What a bunch of wazzocks! How devious is that, just to try and say to themselves that going against the public consultation worked out - when in fact they knew it wouldn't work so they altered the lights!

Bet we won't get the cycle lane put back will we... and Westminster Road residents seemed to ahve shut up now because they've realised there is no argument they can bolt-onto now for getting a bollard in the middle of their street.

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

asd wrote: Is this the south bank where its double parked? If so and your going over 30 mph your driving dangerously/reckless ly. The reason is simple, every single car down there on each side of the road has the potention for a small child to run out. If your going over 30 mph you have no time to react if they pop out in front of you with your half ton piece of metal. Think about it with out the usual dross of comments.

I'm always conscious of such an incident. Regardless of where I am or what the speed limit is. That's why I always drive with caution and I never drive over 30mph down Bish Rd.

why do you never drive over 30mph down Bishy Road then Woody? There must be times when it's safe to do say 31 or 32mph?

Most of the time it's just not possible. That being another reason that 20mph is pointless and a waste of money. I know your trying to get at something here so just go ahead and say it.

Ok Woody, my point is that you are happy to stick rigidly to a pre-determined 30mph limit that was created back in the 30s, despite the fact that there are a couple of stretches that you could safely exceed that limit by a small margin, but you are damned if you're going to obey the new 20mph limit. Perhaps it's just change that you don't like?

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

asd wrote: Is this the south bank where its double parked? If so and your going over 30 mph your driving dangerously/reckless ly. The reason is simple, every single car down there on each side of the road has the potention for a small child to run out. If your going over 30 mph you have no time to react if they pop out in front of you with your half ton piece of metal. Think about it with out the usual dross of comments.

I'm always conscious of such an incident. Regardless of where I am or what the speed limit is. That's why I always drive with caution and I never drive over 30mph down Bish Rd.

why do you never drive over 30mph down Bishy Road then Woody? There must be times when it's safe to do say 31 or 32mph?

Most of the time it's just not possible. That being another reason that 20mph is pointless and a waste of money. I know your trying to get at something here so just go ahead and say it.

Ok Woody, my point is that you are happy to stick rigidly to a pre-determined 30mph limit that was created back in the 30s, despite the fact that there are a couple of stretches that you could safely exceed that limit by a small margin, but you are damned if you're going to obey the new 20mph limit. Perhaps it's just change that you don't like?

I just don't like the fact that I have to drive at such a slow speed when there is no need for it. If South Bank and York had a history of a high rate of road accidents it would get my full backing. But it doesn't. Therefore it's a waste of money, ignored, unneeded and unwanted

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Mr Udigawa wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

asd wrote: Is this the south bank where its double parked? If so and your going over 30 mph your driving dangerously/reckless ly. The reason is simple, every single car down there on each side of the road has the potention for a small child to run out. If your going over 30 mph you have no time to react if they pop out in front of you with your half ton piece of metal. Think about it with out the usual dross of comments.

I'm always conscious of such an incident. Regardless of where I am or what the speed limit is. That's why I always drive with caution and I never drive over 30mph down Bish Rd.

why do you never drive over 30mph down Bishy Road then Woody? There must be times when it's safe to do say 31 or 32mph?

Most of the time it's just not possible. That being another reason that 20mph is pointless and a waste of money. I know your trying to get at something here so just go ahead and say it.

Ok Woody, my point is that you are happy to stick rigidly to a pre-determined 30mph limit that was created back in the 30s, despite the fact that there are a couple of stretches that you could safely exceed that limit by a small margin, but you are damned if you're going to obey the new 20mph limit. Perhaps it's just change that you don't like?

I just don't like the fact that I have to drive at such a slow speed when there is no need for it. If South Bank and York had a history of a high rate of road accidents it would get my full backing. But it doesn't. Therefore it's a waste of money, ignored, unneeded and unwanted

But it's not just about reducing accidents, (although there have been a couple of fatalaties that I can remember inside what is now the 20mph limit) it's also about quality of life for residents and a culture shift away from the me me me mentality of a lot of drivers.

Do you live in south nank? I've been a resident in south bank for 27 years. How is it going to improve my quality of life, cars chugging around belching out more fumes than before in my street?

Anyway, like I said. Barely anyone is taking any notice of it. Waste of our money. Again.

Mr Anderson wrote:
Do you live in south nank? I've been a resident in south bank for 27 years. How is it going to improve my quality of life, cars chugging around belching out more fumes than before in my street? Anyway, like I said. Barely anyone is taking any notice of it. Waste of our money. Again.

No I don't live in South Nank :-), I travel through the area most days though & I used to go to Knavesmire School so I know the area well. I'm happy to reduce my speed as I roll up to the back of the next queue. There seems to be a lot of angst in the Anderson household though, perhaps you should try slowing down for a while, it might do you the world of good.