York needs a "living wage", says landmark report

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , Political Reporter

A LANDMARK report outlining how York should tackle inequality and poverty has today called for everybody in the city to be paid a "living wage".

The York Fairness Commission was formed last year with the aim of ensuring none of York's residents are forgotten amid the recession, as City of York Council is faced with saving £19.7 million over the next two years and services are stretched to the limit.

The commission, which was sponsored by the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, is presenting its final report at Bishopthorpe Palace this evening, and addressing the city's housing problems is high on its list of "headline" recommendations. [Read the Archbishop's foreword to the report here ]

The Commission says the wages of those on the lowest incomes should be set at a level allowing a "minimum socially acceptable standard of living". London’s Living Wage is calculated at £8.30 an hour, with the figure elsewhere being £7.20, but the national hourly minimum wage is £6.08.

The report said the council should set a "realistic timeframe" for introducing a Living Wage policy and promote the approach to businesses and other local authorities. Recommendations also include:

  • More apprenticeships and opportunities for the unemployed and low-paid to learn new skills.
  • Improvements in energy efficiency so the elderly and poorer residents can cut their fuel bills.
  • A by-law cracking down on payday loan companies.
  • A central information hub, offering advice on issues ranging from debt and benefits to parenting and housing.
  • Setting "stretching yet realistic" affordable housing targets which do not deter developers, providing more social housing and improving the quality of rented accommodation.
  • Making childcare more "affordable and flexible", especially in poorer communities.

The Commission has drawn up a list of "ideas and proposals" put forward during its consultation exercise, saying some were "practical quick-wins" while others were longer-term, but they could all "make an impact on fairness".

It called on the council to sign up to its "fairness principles", give a formal commitment to taking them forward, assume responsibility for their delivery and produce an annual progress report.

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THE Commission recommends that a raft of ideas and proposals for tackling inequality be assessed and considerd. They include:

  • Directing more health funding to the most needy communities and those with the lowest incomes.
  • A "zero-tolerance" approach to hate crime and a city-wide scheme to protect domestic violence victims.
  • Better access to and promotion of Credit Unions, better financial education in schools and more work on fighting child poverty and getting young people into work and off benefits.
  • Creating a "city-centre space" for young people, including a homework club, and making sure children are not "priced out" of school trips and other activities.
  • Introducing a charter for secondary schools to reduce uniform costs for low-income families and extending bus fare concessions up to the age of 19.
  • Lobbying Government to give the council wider control of housing funding so more social and affordable homes can be built.
  • More pitches and better accommodation for travelling communities.
  • Better "co-ordination" between voluntary and community groups to deliver services, as well as looking at additional services they could provide on their own or with the council.

To read the Archbishop of York's foreword to the report, click here.

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7:41pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Theapplesarecoming says...

Wow something for the poor finally , all I ever here nowadays is what is being cut or spent to make places look good , this is the first idea in a while I can fully agree with
Wow something for the poor finally , all I ever here nowadays is what is being cut or spent to make places look good , this is the first idea in a while I can fully agree with Theapplesarecoming
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8:07pm Thu 27 Sep 12

lowbeam says...

The report said the council should set a "realistic timeframe" for introducing a Living Wage policy..wait a moment let me get my glasses
ahh there it is just behind the Titanic as it sails into new york..
The report said the council should set a "realistic timeframe" for introducing a Living Wage policy..wait a moment let me get my glasses ahh there it is just behind the Titanic as it sails into new york.. lowbeam
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8:56pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Jazzper says...

"The York Fairness Commission" great sounding....but is that all?
"The York Fairness Commission" great sounding....but is that all? Jazzper
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9:20pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Thisisme says...

Oh and how many of the 'panel' have lived in York for more than ten years? How many of the 'panel' are working class?
I do not want a group of upper class nimbys telling me what is right for this city and what jobs we should get rid off - yes any job cuts will refer to the 'fairness' report!
How about a city wide 'fairness' panel made up of your local residents - bet that report would be completely different but more true to life!!
Oh and how many of the 'panel' have lived in York for more than ten years? How many of the 'panel' are working class? I do not want a group of upper class nimbys telling me what is right for this city and what jobs we should get rid off - yes any job cuts will refer to the 'fairness' report! How about a city wide 'fairness' panel made up of your local residents - bet that report would be completely different but more true to life!! Thisisme
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9:54pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Craig Long says...

York fairness commission ! Wish I would of known about this. Me and my wife struggled to purchase our property from York council through the right to buy scheme. We was entitled to the full discount of £24,000. We ended up paying £105,000 which we just managed to get a mortgage for. Only for the council to increase their discount rates dramatically only 6 weeks later. If we was told about this while we was going through the motions of buying and waited for the 6 weeks we would of saved £50,000 and life would be so much easier financially. Although we are proud of ourselves for finally getting on the property ladder, I have to admit I feel a little cheated.
York fairness commission ! Wish I would of known about this. Me and my wife struggled to purchase our property from York council through the right to buy scheme. We was entitled to the full discount of £24,000. We ended up paying £105,000 which we just managed to get a mortgage for. Only for the council to increase their discount rates dramatically only 6 weeks later. If we was told about this while we was going through the motions of buying and waited for the 6 weeks we would of saved £50,000 and life would be so much easier financially. Although we are proud of ourselves for finally getting on the property ladder, I have to admit I feel a little cheated. Craig Long
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1:09am Fri 28 Sep 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

•Setting "stretching yet realistic" affordable housing targets which do not deter developers, providing more social housing and improving the quality of rented accommodation
How can stretching targets be realistic ? This is the problem with the council's crazy rhetoric - it is a contradiction.

Targets should be achieveable and not be a disincentive, like they have been in York since April 2005. The reductions the council made in December 2010 were not enough. The target needs to be a maximum of 10% on sites of more than 15 dwellings in all areas; urban and rural.

It's time that the council listened to the experts - listen to the developers !
[quote] •Setting "stretching yet realistic" affordable housing targets which do not deter developers, providing more social housing and improving the quality of rented accommodation [/quote] How can stretching targets be realistic ? This is the problem with the council's crazy rhetoric - it is a contradiction. Targets should be achieveable and not be a disincentive, like they have been in York since April 2005. The reductions the council made in December 2010 were not enough. The target needs to be a maximum of 10% on sites of more than 15 dwellings in all areas; urban and rural. It's time that the council listened to the experts - listen to the developers ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:38am Fri 28 Sep 12

Magicman! says...

lowbeam wrote:
The report said the council should set a "realistic timeframe" for introducing a Living Wage policy..wait a moment let me get my glasses
ahh there it is just behind the Titanic as it sails into new york..
There is a new Titanic ship being built....

----

A by-law cracking down on payday loan companies.

Quickquid: because you're c.r.a.p at managing money!
[quote][p][bold]lowbeam[/bold] wrote: The report said the council should set a "realistic timeframe" for introducing a Living Wage policy..wait a moment let me get my glasses ahh there it is just behind the Titanic as it sails into new york..[/p][/quote]There is a new Titanic ship being built.... ---- [quote]A by-law cracking down on payday loan companies.[/quote] Quickquid: because you're c.r.a.p at managing money! Magicman!
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7:46am Fri 28 Sep 12

StephBlah says...

As someone who used to be an apprentice, I do not think apprenticeships are the way forward. Businesses only take on apprentices because they are cheap labour, and thus can hire apprentices without having to commit to giving someone a permanent job at minimum wage. Most apprentices lose their jobs as soon as they have finished their qualification, which doesn't even count for much. The wage of an apprentice is £2.68 an hour, far lower than a living wage.

For many people, a stable job at minimum wage (£6.08) is not realistic at all; especially as, if you are under 21, you aren't entitled to full minimum wage.
As someone who used to be an apprentice, I do not think apprenticeships are the way forward. Businesses only take on apprentices because they are cheap labour, and thus can hire apprentices without having to commit to giving someone a permanent job at minimum wage. Most apprentices lose their jobs as soon as they have finished their qualification, which doesn't even count for much. The wage of an apprentice is £2.68 an hour, far lower than a living wage. For many people, a stable job at minimum wage (£6.08) is not realistic at all; especially as, if you are under 21, you aren't entitled to full minimum wage. StephBlah
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8:54am Fri 28 Sep 12

Gary Gilmores Eyes says...

‘Magicman! says... 2:38am Fri 28 Sep 12
A by-law cracking down on payday loan companies.

Quickquid: because you're c.r.a.p at managing money!’

The pay day loan industry would not exist if their victims could manage their own finances!
If you have very little money it’s even more important to budget/manage your money properly.
There are plenty of people with no or little money who are not in debt.
I would suggest that the victims are victims due to their own acts or omissions!

‘opportunities for the unemployed and low-paid to learn new skills.’
The opportunities are already there.
York College offers plenty of part time and evening courses to increase a person’s employability and some of the fees are based upon the ability to pay.
I would suggest that it’s more of a case of do these people actually want to learn or can be bothered to do something for themselves without it being handed on a plate!

So the do gooders/ liberals/church are at it again… life’s not fair and it should be.
Accept it, get used to it and do something about your own life yourself!
‘Magicman! says... 2:38am Fri 28 Sep 12 A by-law cracking down on payday loan companies. Quickquid: because you're c.r.a.p at managing money!’ The pay day loan industry would not exist if their victims could manage their own finances! If you have very little money it’s even more important to budget/manage your money properly. There are plenty of people with no or little money who are not in debt. I would suggest that the victims are victims due to their own acts or omissions! ‘opportunities for the unemployed and low-paid to learn new skills.’ The opportunities are already there. York College offers plenty of part time and evening courses to increase a person’s employability and some of the fees are based upon the ability to pay. I would suggest that it’s more of a case of do these people actually want to learn or can be bothered to do something for themselves without it being handed on a plate! So the do gooders/ liberals/church are at it again… life’s not fair and it should be. Accept it, get used to it and do something about your own life yourself! Gary Gilmores Eyes
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9:48am Fri 28 Sep 12

StephBlah says...

@ Gary Gilmores Eyes

There really aren't that many courses at all, and whether employers think they are worth anything is debatable. During a recession, it is pretty ludicrous to blame people for not having jobs - there aren't enough jobs to go around.
@ Gary Gilmores Eyes There really aren't that many courses at all, and whether employers think they are worth anything is debatable. During a recession, it is pretty ludicrous to blame people for not having jobs - there aren't enough jobs to go around. StephBlah
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10:18am Fri 28 Sep 12

P3TER1 says...

Gary Gilmores Eyes wrote:
‘Magicman! says... 2:38am Fri 28 Sep 12
A by-law cracking down on payday loan companies.

Quickquid: because you're c.r.a.p at managing money!’

The pay day loan industry would not exist if their victims could manage their own finances!
If you have very little money it’s even more important to budget/manage your money properly.
There are plenty of people with no or little money who are not in debt.
I would suggest that the victims are victims due to their own acts or omissions!

‘opportunities for the unemployed and low-paid to learn new skills.’
The opportunities are already there.
York College offers plenty of part time and evening courses to increase a person’s employability and some of the fees are based upon the ability to pay.
I would suggest that it’s more of a case of do these people actually want to learn or can be bothered to do something for themselves without it being handed on a plate!

So the do gooders/ liberals/church are at it again… life’s not fair and it should be.
Accept it, get used to it and do something about your own life yourself!
@ Gary Gilmores Eyes
Well said Gary!
There are plenty of opportunities out there if people bother to look, even in these economic times. There is a large percentage of people who blame the economy, the government, their upbringing etc on why they can’t get ahead. These are excuses but not barriers. Opportunities already exist for everyone if they want to succeed.
[quote][p][bold]Gary Gilmores Eyes[/bold] wrote: ‘Magicman! says... 2:38am Fri 28 Sep 12 A by-law cracking down on payday loan companies. Quickquid: because you're c.r.a.p at managing money!’ The pay day loan industry would not exist if their victims could manage their own finances! If you have very little money it’s even more important to budget/manage your money properly. There are plenty of people with no or little money who are not in debt. I would suggest that the victims are victims due to their own acts or omissions! ‘opportunities for the unemployed and low-paid to learn new skills.’ The opportunities are already there. York College offers plenty of part time and evening courses to increase a person’s employability and some of the fees are based upon the ability to pay. I would suggest that it’s more of a case of do these people actually want to learn or can be bothered to do something for themselves without it being handed on a plate! So the do gooders/ liberals/church are at it again… life’s not fair and it should be. Accept it, get used to it and do something about your own life yourself![/p][/quote]@ Gary Gilmores Eyes Well said Gary! There are plenty of opportunities out there if people bother to look, even in these economic times. There is a large percentage of people who blame the economy, the government, their upbringing etc on why they can’t get ahead. These are excuses but not barriers. Opportunities already exist for everyone if they want to succeed. P3TER1
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10:21am Fri 28 Sep 12

CHISSY1 says...

P3TER1 wrote:
Gary Gilmores Eyes wrote:
‘Magicman! says... 2:38am Fri 28 Sep 12
A by-law cracking down on payday loan companies.

Quickquid: because you're c.r.a.p at managing money!’

The pay day loan industry would not exist if their victims could manage their own finances!
If you have very little money it’s even more important to budget/manage your money properly.
There are plenty of people with no or little money who are not in debt.
I would suggest that the victims are victims due to their own acts or omissions!

‘opportunities for the unemployed and low-paid to learn new skills.’
The opportunities are already there.
York College offers plenty of part time and evening courses to increase a person’s employability and some of the fees are based upon the ability to pay.
I would suggest that it’s more of a case of do these people actually want to learn or can be bothered to do something for themselves without it being handed on a plate!

So the do gooders/ liberals/church are at it again… life’s not fair and it should be.
Accept it, get used to it and do something about your own life yourself!
@ Gary Gilmores Eyes
Well said Gary!
There are plenty of opportunities out there if people bother to look, even in these economic times. There is a large percentage of people who blame the economy, the government, their upbringing etc on why they can’t get ahead. These are excuses but not barriers. Opportunities already exist for everyone if they want to succeed.
"I second that"
[quote][p][bold]P3TER1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gary Gilmores Eyes[/bold] wrote: ‘Magicman! says... 2:38am Fri 28 Sep 12 A by-law cracking down on payday loan companies. Quickquid: because you're c.r.a.p at managing money!’ The pay day loan industry would not exist if their victims could manage their own finances! If you have very little money it’s even more important to budget/manage your money properly. There are plenty of people with no or little money who are not in debt. I would suggest that the victims are victims due to their own acts or omissions! ‘opportunities for the unemployed and low-paid to learn new skills.’ The opportunities are already there. York College offers plenty of part time and evening courses to increase a person’s employability and some of the fees are based upon the ability to pay. I would suggest that it’s more of a case of do these people actually want to learn or can be bothered to do something for themselves without it being handed on a plate! So the do gooders/ liberals/church are at it again… life’s not fair and it should be. Accept it, get used to it and do something about your own life yourself![/p][/quote]@ Gary Gilmores Eyes Well said Gary! There are plenty of opportunities out there if people bother to look, even in these economic times. There is a large percentage of people who blame the economy, the government, their upbringing etc on why they can’t get ahead. These are excuses but not barriers. Opportunities already exist for everyone if they want to succeed.[/p][/quote]"I second that" CHISSY1
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10:27am Fri 28 Sep 12

Gary Gilmores Eyes says...

‘StephBlah says... 9:48am Fri 28 Sep 12
@ Gary Gilmores Eyes

There really aren't that many courses at all, and whether employers think they are worth anything is debatable. During a recession, it is pretty ludicrous to blame people for not having jobs - there aren't enough jobs to go around.’

Where in my post does it blame people for not having jobs?
I discuss some peoples poor money management and that there are already opportunities for development out there if people look hard enough and/or are prepared to put in some work/effort/compromi
se for a better future.
It’s all available for everyone, just depends if you can be bothered to do something for yourself by yourself.
So you see life is not unfair at all, it just depends if you make it ‘unfair’ for yourself or not!

So as you are obviously one of the people that require everything on a plate for you by somebody else doing it for you, here is a bit of a head start.
Get your mum or other responsible adult to take you to the college adult education open day.
Just so you know how to get to the college, it’s at the end of Tadcaster rd past Tesco’s…. While you are up that way you could maybe enquire in Tescos if they have any vacancies.
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http://www.yorkcolle
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‘StephBlah says... 9:48am Fri 28 Sep 12 @ Gary Gilmores Eyes There really aren't that many courses at all, and whether employers think they are worth anything is debatable. During a recession, it is pretty ludicrous to blame people for not having jobs - there aren't enough jobs to go around.’ Where in my post does it blame people for not having jobs? I discuss some peoples poor money management and that there are already opportunities for development out there if people look hard enough and/or are prepared to put in some work/effort/compromi se for a better future. It’s all available for everyone, just depends if you can be bothered to do something for yourself by yourself. So you see life is not unfair at all, it just depends if you make it ‘unfair’ for yourself or not! So as you are obviously one of the people that require everything on a plate for you by somebody else doing it for you, here is a bit of a head start. Get your mum or other responsible adult to take you to the college adult education open day. Just so you know how to get to the college, it’s at the end of Tadcaster rd past Tesco’s…. While you are up that way you could maybe enquire in Tescos if they have any vacancies. http://www.yorkcolle ge.ac.uk/adult-learn ing/full-course-list ing.php http://www.yorkcolle ge.ac.uk/access/cour se-listing.php http://www.yorkcolle ge.ac.uk/employers/a bout-apprenticeships .php http://www.yorkcolle ge.ac.uk/employers/l ist-of-apprenticeshi ps.php Gary Gilmores Eyes
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11:09am Fri 28 Sep 12

StephBlah says...

@ Gary Gilmores Eyes

Thank you very much for patronising me. From what I have said, you have decided that you know all about my current circumstances and my employment situation. Why don't you just live my life for me? If everyone lived like you, unemployment would, of course, not exist and the economy would be booming.
@ Gary Gilmores Eyes Thank you very much for patronising me. From what I have said, you have decided that you know all about my current circumstances and my employment situation. Why don't you just live my life for me? If everyone lived like you, unemployment would, of course, not exist and the economy would be booming. StephBlah
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11:39am Fri 28 Sep 12

Gary Gilmores Eyes says...

‘StephBlah says...11:09am Fri 28 Sep 12
@ Gary Gilmores Eyes

If everyone lived like you, unemployment would, of course, not exist and the economy would be booming.’

I am glad that you have finally come to the correct conclusion. Well said!
However in my perfect world there would also be a lower population and no place for shirkers or layabouts as why should the rest of us who work hard and have been prudent/sensible with our hard earned wages support the lazy?
Perhaps if the benefits costs to this country were lower we would all be a lot better off, with lower taxes etc and therefore more disposable money to spend to further assist the economy.

Plenty of jobs in the Press today!
No excuses at all. There is no reason that people who lose their job due to redundancy do not do a job that is beneath their skills etc to keep in work and get back to their ideal position as and when available and take the opportunity to improve their chances by gaining additional skills/qualification
s in the meantime.
There again it’s down to the individual, hence the problem as the safety net is too big!
‘StephBlah says...11:09am Fri 28 Sep 12 @ Gary Gilmores Eyes If everyone lived like you, unemployment would, of course, not exist and the economy would be booming.’ I am glad that you have finally come to the correct conclusion. Well said! However in my perfect world there would also be a lower population and no place for shirkers or layabouts as why should the rest of us who work hard and have been prudent/sensible with our hard earned wages support the lazy? Perhaps if the benefits costs to this country were lower we would all be a lot better off, with lower taxes etc and therefore more disposable money to spend to further assist the economy. Plenty of jobs in the Press today! No excuses at all. There is no reason that people who lose their job due to redundancy do not do a job that is beneath their skills etc to keep in work and get back to their ideal position as and when available and take the opportunity to improve their chances by gaining additional skills/qualification s in the meantime. There again it’s down to the individual, hence the problem as the safety net is too big! Gary Gilmores Eyes
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11:45am Fri 28 Sep 12

Kevin Turvey says...

‘StephBlah says... 11:09am Fri 28 Sep 12
@ Gary Gilmores Eyes

Thank you very much for patronising me. From what I have said, you have decided that you know all about my current circumstances and my employment situation. Why don't you just live my life for me? If everyone lived like you, unemployment would, of course, not exist and the economy would be booming.’


Too be fair you did deserve it!

Gary, I wouldn’t bother with this one as this example of Sheeple is past understanding, far too far through the socialist mind control experiment for a return to common sense and self-determination!
Another example of an oxygen thief draining the rest of us!
‘StephBlah says... 11:09am Fri 28 Sep 12 @ Gary Gilmores Eyes Thank you very much for patronising me. From what I have said, you have decided that you know all about my current circumstances and my employment situation. Why don't you just live my life for me? If everyone lived like you, unemployment would, of course, not exist and the economy would be booming.’ Too be fair you did deserve it! Gary, I wouldn’t bother with this one as this example of Sheeple is past understanding, far too far through the socialist mind control experiment for a return to common sense and self-determination! Another example of an oxygen thief draining the rest of us! Kevin Turvey
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12:10pm Fri 28 Sep 12

Hilly rides Horses says...

Fairness commission..
I’ll show you not fair!
I didn’t even get picked for the Olympic equestrian team, even after all the good things daddy has done for this country!
He employs a few serfs to help run the estate and clean the Bentleys and avoids tax by being a nondom and that’s the thanks the underclass give – a fairness commission, just as well it’s got a lot of nobodies with any power or clout sitting on it.
A proper government initiated commission would be far easier to undermine with a word from a few members of the upper house.

Off to a gymkhana for the weekend now in the Range Rover… toodle pip, lots of lovely stable boys at this one as well!
Fairness commission.. I’ll show you not fair! I didn’t even get picked for the Olympic equestrian team, even after all the good things daddy has done for this country! He employs a few serfs to help run the estate and clean the Bentleys and avoids tax by being a nondom and that’s the thanks the underclass give – a fairness commission, just as well it’s got a lot of nobodies with any power or clout sitting on it. A proper government initiated commission would be far easier to undermine with a word from a few members of the upper house. Off to a gymkhana for the weekend now in the Range Rover… toodle pip, lots of lovely stable boys at this one as well! Hilly rides Horses
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5:18pm Fri 28 Sep 12

LoveMyPuppy says...

StephBlah wrote:
As someone who used to be an apprentice, I do not think apprenticeships are the way forward. Businesses only take on apprentices because they are cheap labour, and thus can hire apprentices without having to commit to giving someone a permanent job at minimum wage. Most apprentices lose their jobs as soon as they have finished their qualification, which doesn't even count for much. The wage of an apprentice is £2.68 an hour, far lower than a living wage.

For many people, a stable job at minimum wage (£6.08) is not realistic at all; especially as, if you are under 21, you aren't entitled to full minimum wage.
Again, as someone who used to be an apprentice, I don't agree with the scheme. I spent a year doing a business admin NVQ, that can easily be completed in 3 months, because my employer wanted it to take a year so they could only pay me £95 a week for an entire year (I worked 45 hour weeks so that's £2.11 an hour!) Eventually, after 12 months of working in quite an unpleasant atmosphere I finally got my salary increase up to a (less than minimum) acceptable wage. The next month I was "made redundant".
I personally think if an employer agrees to take on an apprentice they should sign a legally binding contract stating that they will not get rid of the employee for an unfair reason once the training is complete.
Earn while you learn schemes really need to have a complete overhaul, not only do you get paid a ridiculously small amount, you aren't entitled to any help with anything. I was really struggling when I was an apprentice and told myself I would never willingly go on benefits (not even while I was redundant) and I started looking around for what sort of help I could get towards housing etc. I didn't earn enough to pay taxes so tax credits were out of the window (even still, I am under 25 so would not of been eligible anyways) and there was nothing that could help me top up my incomings even though my outgoings were getting steadily higher so I had to resort to a scary overdraft and numerous credit cards just to survive.
Thankfully now I have a decent job that pays a decent wage with a lot of room for climbing that career ladder but my point is that the Government and Council are all talk when it comes to helping people who actually try and do it themselves, they are stuck on helping those that just suck what they can out of the benefit system and it sickens me to see £200 a month come out of my pay slip to fund people who don't even try to get a job or make a good role model for their kids.
We need to get rid of all the privately educated men in suits and replace them with working class people who know how hard it is to make ends meet and scrape together every month just to have enough to pay the bills and feed the family!
[quote][p][bold]StephBlah[/bold] wrote: As someone who used to be an apprentice, I do not think apprenticeships are the way forward. Businesses only take on apprentices because they are cheap labour, and thus can hire apprentices without having to commit to giving someone a permanent job at minimum wage. Most apprentices lose their jobs as soon as they have finished their qualification, which doesn't even count for much. The wage of an apprentice is £2.68 an hour, far lower than a living wage. For many people, a stable job at minimum wage (£6.08) is not realistic at all; especially as, if you are under 21, you aren't entitled to full minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Again, as someone who used to be an apprentice, I don't agree with the scheme. I spent a year doing a business admin NVQ, that can easily be completed in 3 months, because my employer wanted it to take a year so they could only pay me £95 a week for an entire year (I worked 45 hour weeks so that's £2.11 an hour!) Eventually, after 12 months of working in quite an unpleasant atmosphere I finally got my salary increase up to a (less than minimum) acceptable wage. The next month I was "made redundant". I personally think if an employer agrees to take on an apprentice they should sign a legally binding contract stating that they will not get rid of the employee for an unfair reason once the training is complete. Earn while you learn schemes really need to have a complete overhaul, not only do you get paid a ridiculously small amount, you aren't entitled to any help with anything. I was really struggling when I was an apprentice and told myself I would never willingly go on benefits (not even while I was redundant) and I started looking around for what sort of help I could get towards housing etc. I didn't earn enough to pay taxes so tax credits were out of the window (even still, I am under 25 so would not of been eligible anyways) and there was nothing that could help me top up my incomings even though my outgoings were getting steadily higher so I had to resort to a scary overdraft and numerous credit cards just to survive. Thankfully now I have a decent job that pays a decent wage with a lot of room for climbing that career ladder but my point is that the Government and Council are all talk when it comes to helping people who actually try and do it themselves, they are stuck on helping those that just suck what they can out of the benefit system and it sickens me to see £200 a month come out of my pay slip to fund people who don't even try to get a job or make a good role model for their kids. We need to get rid of all the privately educated men in suits and replace them with working class people who know how hard it is to make ends meet and scrape together every month just to have enough to pay the bills and feed the family! LoveMyPuppy
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3:29am Mon 1 Oct 12

Magicman! says...

... And what about practical qualifications? For example, if somebody wants to become an electrician after they leave school, they are supposed to get an apprenticeship. In York this is nigh-on impossible (I know as I tried every single electrician in York at the time, went down the list in the yellow pages etc and contacted them) and this is mainly due to the fact the employer spends money on extra insurance, wages etc and gets nothing back from the government, whilst the colleges (which only have the trainees for one day a week) get full subsidy....
So if somebody wanting to become an electrician cannot get an apprenticeship then how do they get the qualifications? going direct for the courses is not an option due to the high cost for somebody who, after leaving school, has literally no money at all; Local college courses require a work placement, which is already a non-starter; and above the age of 19 nobody is interested in the person as an apprentice anyway. So go for 'a job' to get the money together for the course, I hear you say... OK, so potential employers see the hands-on work done voluntarily beside a qualified electrician so as to gain skills and then dismiss your application to beep things through at asda.
Catch 22. Stalemate.
... And what about practical qualifications? For example, if somebody wants to become an electrician after they leave school, they are supposed to get an apprenticeship. In York this is nigh-on impossible (I know as I tried every single electrician in York at the time, went down the list in the yellow pages etc and contacted them) and this is mainly due to the fact the employer spends money on extra insurance, wages etc and gets nothing back from the government, whilst the colleges (which only have the trainees for one day a week) get full subsidy.... So if somebody wanting to become an electrician cannot get an apprenticeship then how do they get the qualifications? going direct for the courses is not an option due to the high cost for somebody who, after leaving school, has literally no money at all; Local college courses require a work placement, which is already a non-starter; and above the age of 19 nobody is interested in the person as an apprentice anyway. So go for 'a job' to get the money together for the course, I hear you say... OK, so potential employers see the hands-on work done voluntarily beside a qualified electrician so as to gain skills and then dismiss your application to beep things through at asda. Catch 22. Stalemate. Magicman!
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