Area’s 20mph speed scheme wins backing (From York Press)

Woody G Mellor wrote:
I don't believe for a second that the community is behind this nonsense. Look at their Facebook page, all of 8 members! Yes, EIGHT. And why did the Press pull their online poll I wonder? Because overwhelmingly residents were AGAINST it!

hugohackenbush wrote:
Signed only speed limits designed to be self enforcing ? But the speed limit was legally enforcable yesterday ? Can someone explain what this means, even great Uncle Hugo Z Hackenbush is confused. Mind you thats fairly normal given his age.

AnotherPointofView wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote: I don't believe for a second that the community is behind this nonsense. Look at their Facebook page, all of 8 members! Yes, EIGHT. And why did the Press pull their online poll I wonder? Because overwhelmingly residents were AGAINST it!

....And one of the eight is a donkey! Take a look.

Jackanory2 wrote:
It does seem as if some one who works at the Press, and a concillor for the area have an agenda to bring this in regardless of anyone elses thoughts, the readers poll when I voted on it was something like 85% against this. I agree that outside the school areas on Scarcroft road, and behind should be 20 as should all areas near schools.

Ichabod76 wrote:
Andy Shrimpton, owner of Cycle Heaven in Bishopthorpe Road, said: “We believe that the 20mph speed limit will be good for the community and local businesses.”

Today I bought a new trek road bike from cycle works
so not that good for local business eh Andy

peterstreet wrote:

Jackanory2 wrote:
It does seem as if some one who works at the Press, and a concillor for the area have an agenda to bring this in regardless of anyone elses thoughts, the readers poll when I voted on it was something like 85% against this. I agree that outside the school areas on Scarcroft road, and behind should be 20 as should all areas near schools.

Posters continually claim that the opinion shown on this site is "proof" of the opinion of the people of York! has anybody wondered why the "posters" poll was against the 20 mph proposals but the questionaire delivered to peoples homes produced a large majority in favour? and not for the first time either!heavens above! could it be that the relatively few people,who,post,comp

ared to the size of the York population, are not representative of the views of the vast majority, if so it should tell us something about the majority of posters, sorry to shatter elusions but it will be interesting to see the outcome of the currently impending debate in Parliament brought by one of the many M.P.s who are worried about the affect that anonymous comment without responsibility might have on democracy and general standards of honesty and courtesy over time.

peterstreet wrote:

Ichabod76 wrote:
Andy Shrimpton, owner of Cycle Heaven in Bishopthorpe Road, said: “We believe that the 20mph speed limit will be good for the community and local businesses.”

Today I bought a new trek road bike from cycle works
so not that good for local business eh Andy

if you are telling the truth it might! but its more likely to tell us something about you! eh ichabod

Ichabod76 wrote:

peterstreet wrote:

Ichabod76 wrote:
Andy Shrimpton, owner of Cycle Heaven in Bishopthorpe Road, said: “We believe that the 20mph speed limit will be good for the community and local businesses.”

Today I bought a new trek road bike from cycle works
so not that good for local business eh Andy

if you are telling the truth it might! but its more likely to tell us something about you! eh ichabod

Hi James
Trek Madone £1850
your more than welcome to inspect my receipt if you want, I might even let you have a go if you promise not to buckle the wheels ; )

I think the only thing it says about me is that I ride a bike and have a disposable income.

I also live in south Bank and wasn't included in the consultation until I actively went looking who to tell I disagreed

Can you tell us how many Residents were consulted and how many were not ?

Buzz Light-year wrote:
I'm against it too.

Ichabod76 wrote:
Andy Shrimpton, owner of Cycle Heaven in Bishopthorpe Road, said: “We believe that the 20mph speed limit will be good for the community and local businesses.”

Today I bought a new trek road bike from cycle works
so not that good for local business eh Andy

Haywire wrote:
Interesting to see how many anti comments are generated by such a minor issue.

Peter Street; you are spot on in your comments regarding the "democrats".

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Haywire wrote:
Interesting to see how many anti comments are generated by such a minor issue.

Peter Street; you are spot on in your comments regarding the "democrats".

Obviously not a minor issue then is it? Or democratic.

Ichabod76 wrote:

peterstreet wrote:

Ichabod76 wrote:
Andy Shrimpton, owner of Cycle Heaven in Bishopthorpe Road, said: “We believe that the 20mph speed limit will be good for the community and local businesses.”

Today I bought a new trek road bike from cycle works
so not that good for local business eh Andy

if you are telling the truth it might! but its more likely to tell us something about you! eh ichabod

Hi James
Trek Madone £1850
your more than welcome to inspect my receipt if you want, I might even let you have a go if you promise not to buckle the wheels ; )

I think the only thing it says about me is that I ride a bike and have a disposable income.

I also live in south Bank and wasn't included in the consultation until I actively went looking who to tell I disagreed

Can you tell us how many Residents were consulted and how many were not ?

peterstreet wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Haywire wrote:
Interesting to see how many anti comments are generated by such a minor issue.

Peter Street; you are spot on in your comments regarding the "democrats".

Obviously not a minor issue then is it? Or democratic.

so 6 quotes later we have exactly what Woody? just more gob *hite!

hugohackenbush wrote:
Signed only speed limits designed to be self enforcing ?

But the speed limit was legally enforcable yesterday ?

Can someone explain what this means, even great Uncle Hugo Z Hackenbush is confused. Mind you thats fairly normal given his age.

BioLogic wrote:

hugohackenbush wrote:
Signed only speed limits designed to be self enforcing ?

But the speed limit was legally enforcable yesterday ?

Can someone explain what this means, even great Uncle Hugo Z Hackenbush is confused. Mind you thats fairly normal given his age.

20mph speeds limit zones can only legally be enforced through the use of traffic calming measures, it is not permitted for the police to enforce them by the use of a speed camera.

There is a difference between a "zone" and a speed limit. A zone only needs 20mph signs at the entrance and and exit and does not require repeater signs.

A "zone" can only be enforced through traffic calming a 20mph limit can be enforced by the police, but NYP have refused to police the one on fishergate as they cannot do so within Govt guidelines for speed enforcement as 20mph limits are never long enough with enough visibility.

In short they are spending alot of money on a limit that will, in practice be widely ignored (just like the one on fishergate) and never enforced by NYP because they can't and wouldn't even if they could.

What a waste of time and money.

Woody G Mellor wrote:

BioLogic wrote:

hugohackenbush wrote:
Signed only speed limits designed to be self enforcing ?

But the speed limit was legally enforcable yesterday ?

Can someone explain what this means, even great Uncle Hugo Z Hackenbush is confused. Mind you thats fairly normal given his age.

20mph speeds limit zones can only legally be enforced through the use of traffic calming measures, it is not permitted for the police to enforce them by the use of a speed camera.

There is a difference between a "zone" and a speed limit. A zone only needs 20mph signs at the entrance and and exit and does not require repeater signs.

A "zone" can only be enforced through traffic calming a 20mph limit can be enforced by the police, but NYP have refused to police the one on fishergate as they cannot do so within Govt guidelines for speed enforcement as 20mph limits are never long enough with enough visibility.

In short they are spending alot of money on a limit that will, in practice be widely ignored (just like the one on fishergate) and never enforced by NYP because they can't and wouldn't even if they could.

What a waste of time and money.

If this is true it is good news. I can continue to drive down Bishy Rd at a safe and considerate speed ABOVE 20mph just like I have done so for many years now without the slightest incident and without fear of being prosecuted for doing so.

On the other hand. Come the next local election I shall NOT be voting for a Labour council in my ward for the first time in my voting life. This was the last straw. Only problem now is who do I vote for? And don't suggest the Torys, things ain't that bad........yet.

peterstreet wrote:

Ichabod76 wrote:

peterstreet wrote:

Ichabod76 wrote:
Andy Shrimpton, owner of Cycle Heaven in Bishopthorpe Road, said: “We believe that the 20mph speed limit will be good for the community and local businesses.”

Today I bought a new trek road bike from cycle works
so not that good for local business eh Andy

if you are telling the truth it might! but its more likely to tell us something about you! eh ichabod

Hi James
Trek Madone £1850
your more than welcome to inspect my receipt if you want, I might even let you have a go if you promise not to buckle the wheels ; )

I think the only thing it says about me is that I ride a bike and have a disposable income.

I also live in south Bank and wasn't included in the consultation until I actively went looking who to tell I disagreed

Can you tell us how many Residents were consulted and how many were not ?

ok I'll take you up on your offer ichabod, please produce receipt forthwith, and you are wrong , your posts say alot about you so grow up and address the issues please! as for your question on the consultation, do your own research you lazy poster! and my name is not james it is Peter, thats right! I post under my own name! night night

Ichabod76 wrote:

peterstreet wrote:

Ichabod76 wrote:

peterstreet wrote:

Ichabod76 wrote:
Andy Shrimpton, owner of Cycle Heaven in Bishopthorpe Road, said: “We believe that the 20mph speed limit will be good for the community and local businesses.”

Today I bought a new trek road bike from cycle works
so not that good for local business eh Andy

if you are telling the truth it might! but its more likely to tell us something about you! eh ichabod

Hi James
Trek Madone £1850
your more than welcome to inspect my receipt if you want, I might even let you have a go if you promise not to buckle the wheels ; )

I think the only thing it says about me is that I ride a bike and have a disposable income.

I also live in south Bank and wasn't included in the consultation until I actively went looking who to tell I disagreed

Can you tell us how many Residents were consulted and how many were not ?

ok I'll take you up on your offer ichabod, please produce receipt forthwith, and you are wrong , your posts say alot about you so grow up and address the issues please! as for your question on the consultation, do your own research you lazy poster! and my name is not james it is Peter, thats right! I post under my own name! night night

You tell me when and where and i shall provide

What am I wrong about ?

Quoted from your response to Woody (minus the spelling mistakes)

"Exactly how many posters on this site were against the 20s proposal and how many residents of the area in question supported it by answering the council consultation questionnaire?

I thought you were in possession of the facts you lazy poster ! LOL

Ill tell you 85% of people on the press website were against
The council wont even tell me what percentage of houses in the South Bank area were consulted (now that's transparency for you)

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:
I'm against it too.

So am I !

Another U-turn required by the increasingly unpopular, labour-controlled York Council ?

Definitely !