Driver’s stray horse drama (From York Press)

The police still hadnt turned up about an hour later !.

The man said the chains peg had broken !.

Sadly the thing that is constantly proven to be broken is the efforts of our police force.

Some might say that it was because it was a Gypsy horse that they declined to attend but I know that in other circumstances not involving gypsies they failed to attend.

Its time a serious look was taken at the police and its operations.
Its failings must be addressed.
We the public have a right to protection and a service from them.

We pay for it through our council tax.
Its what we expect but it isnt being delivered.

The horse obviously had an owner who obviously took it away he should be given a visit by someone like the RSPCA on how to tether horses securely with a warning that if it happens again all his horses will be taken from him.
It's probably not going to stop another accident but at least the authorities would know who owned these horses officially and it could be followed up on.

capt spaulding wrote:
The police still hadnt turned up about an hour later !.

The man said the chains peg had broken !.

Sadly the thing that is constantly proven to be broken is the efforts of our police force.

Some might say that it was because it was a Gypsy horse that they declined to attend but I know that in other circumstances not involving gypsies they failed to attend.

Its time a serious look was taken at the police and its operations.
Its failings must be addressed.
We the public have a right to protection and a service from them.

We pay for it through our council tax.
Its what we expect but it isnt being delivered.

You sad person, the police have more important crime to attend to, the correct people to contact are the rspca or the council. The police do a great job protecting us, although spend to much time looking after idiots who cause trouble because there bored or out drinking, take yourself back 20 years, there was never a problem with, horses, or drunken idiots, & just imagine what life would be without our hard working police force.

b17bomber wrote:

capt spaulding wrote:
The police still hadnt turned up about an hour later !.

The man said the chains peg had broken !.

Sadly the thing that is constantly proven to be broken is the efforts of our police force.

Some might say that it was because it was a Gypsy horse that they declined to attend but I know that in other circumstances not involving gypsies they failed to attend.

Its time a serious look was taken at the police and its operations.
Its failings must be addressed.
We the public have a right to protection and a service from them.

We pay for it through our council tax.
Its what we expect but it isnt being delivered.

You sad person, the police have more important crime to attend to, the correct people to contact are the rspca or the council. The police do a great job protecting us, although spend to much time looking after idiots who cause trouble because there bored or out drinking, take yourself back 20 years, there was never a problem with, horses, or drunken idiots, & just imagine what life would be without our hard working police force.

Quite right Im very sad that we do not get anything like the service we did 20/30 years ago.
The lady with the horse got NO service at all which was my point.

From personal expierience, reporting to them far more important crimes than stray horses and not getting anyone to turn up !! One occasion after a 999 call. I have no faith in them at all having been let down several times.

Im sure there are many people who feel the same as me. Disapointed.

"The police have more important things to deal with"

See below "POLICE are investigating the theft of spectacle frames from an opticians in York. "

Me thinks they have a peculiar set of priorities.

No public or charitable body wants to deal with this issue because of the costs. Transport, stabling and ultimately humanely dispatching the animals. The owner(s) can't or won't pay the stabling or legally required microchipping costs to retrieve their livestock, and wouldn't have an appropriate place to graze them if they did. Add to this the publicity of the council or charity putting down healthy animals, and it's a vote / donation loser.

This is madness. Why the heck don't the police do something and find out why this is happening. They already have leads, certainly in the Monk's Cross area, and if people are freeing horses and endangering drivers they need to be prosecuted. It's not just a 'prank' as I heard it called.

this is how it works,,, you call police re stray horses in an area known to be used by gypsies to tether their horses,, fulford control room will receive the call,, they will have a contact number of a gypsie elder, he won,t admit to owning said horse but will contact owner, though he cannot remember his name but will have to leave a message for him,, said owner will then collect his horse, which is why police didmnt turn up and a guy turned up at a location where he did,nt leave his horse....

my opinion is that these horses should be collected and destroyed, unless better homes could be found for them

capt spaulding wrote:

b17bomber wrote:

capt spaulding wrote: The police still hadnt turned up about an hour later !. The man said the chains peg had broken !. Sadly the thing that is constantly proven to be broken is the efforts of our police force. Some might say that it was because it was a Gypsy horse that they declined to attend but I know that in other circumstances not involving gypsies they failed to attend. Its time a serious look was taken at the police and its operations. Its failings must be addressed. We the public have a right to protection and a service from them. We pay for it through our council tax. Its what we expect but it isnt being delivered.

You sad person, the police have more important crime to attend to, the correct people to contact are the rspca or the council. The police do a great job protecting us, although spend to much time looking after idiots who cause trouble because there bored or out drinking, take yourself back 20 years, there was never a problem with, horses, or drunken idiots, & just imagine what life would be without our hard working police force.

Quite right Im very sad that we do not get anything like the service we did 20/30 years ago. The lady with the horse got NO service at all which was my point. From personal expierience, reporting to them far more important crimes than stray horses and not getting anyone to turn up !! One occasion after a 999 call. I have no faith in them at all having been let down several times. Im sure there are many people who feel the same as me. Disapointed.

Thankfully we don't get the "service" we got 20/30 years ago. Then, it was about covering their backsides for mistakes made and blaming drunken/tickless football fans and hiding the truth for decades.

Good for the lady who took the trouble to get out of her car and re-tether the horse (not that I recommend everyone doing this).
Most motorists are only concerned dor their opwn safety and getting to their destination quickly.

b17 bomber. You must be on a backhander, you should be out on the streets with your 'York Police are Wonderful' banner. You obviously have had little dealings with our local law enforcement, I am amazed that anyone turned up, even after one hour. You can dial 999 and wait that long.We have a very average police force, as per the rest of this third world country, from MP to NHS, a total disgrace.

GoodDoc wrote:
This is madness. Why the heck don't the police do something and find out why this is happening. They already have leads, certainly in the Monk's Cross area, and if people are freeing horses and endangering drivers they need to be prosecuted. It's not just a 'prank' as I heard it called.

Look mate it's no good the police "having leads" they only use them to hang Alsations during training that can't climb walls because their handlers cooked them in a Volvo for three hours while they had dinner and got their shopping in Morrisons.

Seriously I don't know who risk asseses or prioritises calls at York police, I know Terry Smith is not the best barber but I hardly think supporting council workers to remove cardboard signs pointing towards his shop is more important than a horse which is actually in the road whoever its owner may be.

franthom wrote:
"The police have more important things to deal with"

See below "POLICE are investigating the theft of spectacle frames from an opticians in York. "

Me thinks they have a peculiar set of priorities.

I've just read the story about the police asking the public for information about a pair of spectacles that was stolen in July.
Is it possible that this is their idea of a joke and that they are mocking us because they know that, no matter how idle and incompetent they are, we have no means of refusing to pay their salaries and pensions?

I narrowly avoided getting knocked off my bike by two stray horses on Clifton Moor Thursday night. They had run all the way up there from the camp, and were on their way back. The out of breath traveller who was running after them panted, 'I'm effing sick of these effing osses'. Bet they were effing sick of him too!!

In term of police response, it's important to remember the personnel cuts and the reasons for them. In some police areas within York, there are only one or two officers on duty on some shifts,where last year there would have been three or four. Obviously they have to prioritise, and an incident where no-one is hurt and no property lost or damaged is bound to be low down the list.

In term of police response, it's important to remember the personnel cuts and the reasons for them. In some police areas within York, there are only one or two officers on duty on some shifts,where last year there would have been three or four. Obviously they have to prioritise, and an incident where no-one is hurt and no property lost or damaged is bound to be low down the list.

welf_man wrote:
In term of police response, it's important to remember the personnel cuts and the reasons for them. In some police areas within York, there are only one or two officers on duty on some shifts,where last year there would have been three or four. Obviously they have to prioritise, and an incident where no-one is hurt and no property lost or damaged is bound to be low down the list.

I did a 999 when someone was being battered. I got a phone call 5 hrs later apologising for the fact that no one was available HOW FAR DOWN THE LIST WAS THAT THEN WELF MAN

unbeleivable. no wonder people are stocking up with baseball bats
I have .

franthom wrote:
"The police have more important things to deal with"

See below "POLICE are investigating the theft of spectacle frames from an opticians in York. "

Me thinks they have a peculiar set of priorities.

What on earth are the police asking for witnesses to this spectacle frame incident 2 months after the event! has it taken them that long to turn to investigate? no wonder they never turned out to help lady with loose horse!

jumbojet wrote:
b17 bomber. You must be on a backhander, you should be out on the streets with your 'York Police are Wonderful' banner. You obviously have had little dealings with our local law enforcement, I am amazed that anyone turned up, even after one hour. You can dial 999 and wait that long.We have a very average police force, as per the rest of this third world country, from MP to NHS, a total disgrace.

No I am not on a backhander, as you put it, but have faith in our force, as life without them would be horrendous, & a policeman may do a 8 or 10 hour shift, looking after our streets etc, but 75% of that shift is taken up by doing reports, NOW that is wrong. Well Done To Our Police Force, you all deserve medals.

AnotherPointofView wrote:

capt spaulding wrote:

b17bomber wrote:

capt spaulding wrote: The police still hadnt turned up about an hour later !. The man said the chains peg had broken !. Sadly the thing that is constantly proven to be broken is the efforts of our police force. Some might say that it was because it was a Gypsy horse that they declined to attend but I know that in other circumstances not involving gypsies they failed to attend. Its time a serious look was taken at the police and its operations. Its failings must be addressed. We the public have a right to protection and a service from them. We pay for it through our council tax. Its what we expect but it isnt being delivered.

You sad person, the police have more important crime to attend to, the correct people to contact are the rspca or the council. The police do a great job protecting us, although spend to much time looking after idiots who cause trouble because there bored or out drinking, take yourself back 20 years, there was never a problem with, horses, or drunken idiots, & just imagine what life would be without our hard working police force.

Quite right Im very sad that we do not get anything like the service we did 20/30 years ago. The lady with the horse got NO service at all which was my point. From personal expierience, reporting to them far more important crimes than stray horses and not getting anyone to turn up !! One occasion after a 999 call. I have no faith in them at all having been let down several times. Im sure there are many people who feel the same as me. Disapointed.

Thankfully we don't get the "service" we got 20/30 years ago. Then, it was about covering their backsides for mistakes made and blaming drunken/tickless football fans and hiding the truth for decades.

Perhaps coppers were too busy "amending" statements back at the station.

b17bomber wrote:

jumbojet wrote:
b17 bomber. You must be on a backhander, you should be out on the streets with your 'York Police are Wonderful' banner. You obviously have had little dealings with our local law enforcement, I am amazed that anyone turned up, even after one hour. You can dial 999 and wait that long.We have a very average police force, as per the rest of this third world country, from MP to NHS, a total disgrace.

No I am not on a backhander, as you put it, but have faith in our force, as life without them would be horrendous, & a policeman may do a 8 or 10 hour shift, looking after our streets etc, but 75% of that shift is taken up by doing reports, NOW that is wrong. Well Done To Our Police Force, you all deserve medals.

Such a horrible third world country we live in where we have the internet and modern technology and where our police's main criticisms of are dealing with escaped horses.
Yeh I agree something needs to be worked out with how to deal with the escaped horses but it's something that needs to be discussed with a multiple agency response. So that means the police, the council and the RSPCA and someone with land willing to let "rescued horses" graze on em

and if people are freeing horses and endangering drivers they need to be prosecuted???

yea thats about right ,go for the easy one,s .look if YOU love these people?? so much ,why dont you have their horses munchin in your garden!
am now waitin for usuall rant from gooddoc,also piaggio is a well known italian maufacture of motor scooters, who,s family owners were the agnellis?? think about it

welf_man wrote:
In term of police response, it's important to remember the personnel cuts and the reasons for them. In some police areas within York, there are only one or two officers on duty on some shifts,where last year there would have been three or four. Obviously they have to prioritise, and an incident where no-one is hurt and no property lost or damaged is bound to be low down the list.

Sadly you are misinformed, the savings have not reduced front line officers, we are in the first real year of 20% cuts over four years, most of which will be funded by efficiecy measures, including the purchase of less luxury and executive cars.. If the police are so short of officers I'd ask the question how on earth did a group of them find the time to attend a council meeting about this problem but none are available to actually assist the public when a serious road safety situation occurs?

b17bomber and welf_man: you say that the police have more important things to do. Well, I;m sure they do. However, the horse was straying into the main road and was at immediate risk of causing injruy or a collison. Therefore, I do consider this to be a priority response for the police because, regardless of who owns the horse, the horse was uncontrollable and an imminent danger to public safety. The police were telephoned 4 times regarding this incident and eventually responded over 1 hour later by sending a PCSO on a bicycle. Hardly a sufficent response. If it wasn't for the members of public restraining the horse this could have had far worse consequences. The police have a duty to protect the public and motorists from danger and in this case they were grossly negligent.

b17bomber wrote:

capt spaulding wrote:
The police still hadnt turned up about an hour later !.

The man said the chains peg had broken !.

Sadly the thing that is constantly proven to be broken is the efforts of our police force.

Some might say that it was because it was a Gypsy horse that they declined to attend but I know that in other circumstances not involving gypsies they failed to attend.

Its time a serious look was taken at the police and its operations.
Its failings must be addressed.
We the public have a right to protection and a service from them.

We pay for it through our council tax.
Its what we expect but it isnt being delivered.

You sad person, the police have more important crime to attend to, the correct people to contact are the rspca or the council. The police do a great job protecting us, although spend to much time looking after idiots who cause trouble because there bored or out drinking, take yourself back 20 years, there was never a problem with, horses, or drunken idiots, & just imagine what life would be without our hard working police force.

Quite right. When there is proper crime the local force are excellent. Even small thefts are taken very seriously. No I don't work for the police.

piaggio1 wrote:
and if people are freeing horses and endangering drivers they need to be prosecuted???

yea thats about right ,go for the easy one,s .look if YOU love these people?? so much ,why dont you have their horses munchin in your garden!
am now waitin for usuall rant from gooddoc,also piaggio is a well known italian maufacture of motor scooters, who,s family owners were the agnellis?? think about it

Yes, if people are tampering with the tethers (which there is evidence to suggest so), they definitely need prosecuting. Easier for you, I know, to assume travellers (and anyone slightly different to your cosy life, muslims, jews, students etc) are to blame for everything, and are herding their livestock into roads to try and kill non-travellers, but alas sometimes those investigation thingies need to take place... You know, looking at events rather than prejudice? Finding things out? Oh the horses are 'munchin' in people's gardens now are they? News to me. Listen lad, you've pretty much admitted to racism on another thread and really, you're proving my point about a lack of education. I sincerely hope you're about 15, or just a very bored troll. Find another playmate.

I keep hearing about these Luxury and executive cars. Is this for real?

ExPatBob wrote:
I keep hearing about these Luxury and executive cars. Is this for real?

This is correct, it's all part of saving money.....

baileyuk wrote:
this is how it works,,, you call police re stray horses in an area known to be used by gypsies to tether their horses,, fulford control room will receive the call,, they will have a contact number of a gypsie elder, he won,t admit to owning said horse but will contact owner, though he cannot remember his name but will have to leave a message for him,, said owner will then collect his horse, which is why police didmnt turn up and a guy turned up at a location where he did,nt leave his horse.... my opinion is that these horses should be collected and destroyed, unless better homes could be found for them

I think he's got it exactly right. It's only a good job that a policeman on a motorcycle doing in excess of 80mph didn't come upon them. Oh! did you not read about that? Perhaps they were out practising when the call came through.

Well done to the woman for making sure the horse was safe. It's not the horse's fault, but the owners.

TerryYork wrote:
Well done to the woman for making sure the horse was safe. It's not the horse's fault, but the owners.

I agree with this and stray horses should not be destroyed as said by bauleyuk.

why dont you have their horses munchin in your garden!
get it !! YOUR GARDEN
you love em so much.
and dont you dare call me a racist...........
i,m englisc (part dane/part germanic ).
mostly danish stock, actually south jutland. i thank you

ExPatBob wrote:
I keep hearing about these Luxury and executive cars. Is this for real?

Yes Bob I am able to confirm that the Audi A6, BMW 5 series and Landrover Discovery are classed as luxury or executive vehicles. Cars such as this which are being used by police forces are normally silver in colour but can be more easily identified by the word police written in numerous locations in big red letters on the vehicle. Their normal habitat is stationary in a layby or positioned facing the sun in the middle on the grass next to roundabouts on warm days, during the winter their drivers hibernate in dens known as stations surrounded by piles of paper which they shuffle about whenever they are approached to maintain the appearence of activity. The drivers are terrified of horses or livestock owned by gypsies, if you are hoping to see a police A6 or BMW choose a vantage point well away from such creatures.

Thanks for the advice Pete. I wouldn't of classed them as luxury.
What cars would you have them in? I personally think. Hummers!!!

My story of saving the other horse was more exciting than this, I didn't/don't feel the need to write to the press... Is there something wrong with me?

ExPatBob wrote:
Thanks for the advice Pete. I wouldn't of classed them as luxury.
What cars would you have them in? I personally think. Hummers!!!

No Bob, the "Hummer" is designed for military use primarily in deserts or by showboating celebrities following extensive and costly modifications to the interior. The only law enforcement person who uses such a vehicle is Hotatio Caine of CSI Miami and whilst he could clearly teach our firearms officers how to shoot straight he is unfortunately a fictional character.

Personally like most taxpayers I hope, I would choose vehicles made by Messrs Vauxhall, Ford or Skoda. Even if the claim by the police is true that they are given a better discount on luxury German marques that "saving" if real certainly does not apply to servicing and fuel use, the first part of which the makers are well aware of when selling them and are thus able to recoup "discounts" very easily during the vehicles lifetime and their use by the police looks bad and erodes public confidence in times of austarity and cuts. Requests by force purchasing departments for additional payload and 4WD involving the word Landrover should be crossed out and replaced with Ranger or Transit depending on whether it will ever actually go off road in my opinion.

Ranger? Is that a typo error meaning Range R. As in Range Rover. Now you're talking motors..
Still prefer the Hummer! Cant comment on the CSI miami as I have never seen it. But as it is American, I am sure its so far from reality I would rather not.

Boadicea wrote:

TerryYork wrote:
Well done to the woman for making sure the horse was safe. It's not the horse's fault, but the owners.

I agree with this and stray horses should not be destroyed as said by bauleyuk.

He's a fool who writes that on all the stories about this.

I think a horse neighed at him as a kid and scared him. Now he hates horses.

piaggio1 wrote:
why dont you have their horses munchin in your garden!
get it !! YOUR GARDEN
you love em so much.
and dont you dare call me a racist...........
i,m englisc (part dane/part germanic ).
mostly danish stock, actually south jutland. i thank you

Troll! I'm calling your bluff, lad. If you don't have an opinion on an article, find other ways to fill your time instead of trying to rile others with non-sequiturs and illiterate waffle. Busted. Get back to your FIFA.

GoodDoc wrote:

piaggio1 wrote:
why dont you have their horses munchin in your garden!
get it !! YOUR GARDEN
you love em so much.
and dont you dare call me a racist...........
i,m englisc (part dane/part germanic ).
mostly danish stock, actually south jutland. i thank you

Troll! I'm calling your bluff, lad. If you don't have an opinion on an article, find other ways to fill your time instead of trying to rile others with non-sequiturs and illiterate waffle. Busted. Get back to your FIFA.

Sepp Blatter is Swiss and is far too busy taking large bribes and ruining football's reputation to find time to start an argument with you on here however quick and simple it is. I've seen salmon thinner than gypsy ponies slower to take the bait than you.

nothing will be done because it involves pikeys, pikeys are a law unto them selfs.
our law enforcement at scared of pikeys and all the do-gooders that jump to protect pikeys.
sadly its going to take a far more serious accident with these nags then there will be up roar

Like I said, no education.

It doesn't matter who you are everyone should be abiding by the same laws , they nick a load of gear then know the police won't bother them cos They will jus up and leave , but me or anyone else cant do the same?

What will it take to intercept them? A murder?

At some point they would have to be arrested especially in that case and that brings the " we can't touch them "argument down to a case of them not being bothered or it not being worth it till something awful happens..

I believe in live and let live but that involves responsibility from both sides to not **** each other off , that means the public not trespassing on their areas or bothering them and them not stealing or letting horses run in the road risking our lives

If they can't keep their side of respect for the public they run a risk of being moved out of their areas/land that they have forcibly acquired from the public ( who have nicely left them too it and mostly accommodated in most cases)

I like everyone , gypsies included and I think we are talking about a minority I would like to think

Whoever is causing this needs removing from the area or arresting ( gypsy or non gypsy )

hook,line sinker ....................
...it bit

reel it in