Stray horses ‘putting lives in danger’ (From York Press)

Im with mark warters on this I witnessed a car /horse collision some years ago and it was a devastating spectacle , utter carnage horse dead and driver and passengers badly injured. Do something soon or someone will be killed.

All the dithering is because the council do not want to be seen to be discriminating. If these horses belonged to joe public the issue would have been sorted years ago. Gypsies get away with anything.

Theendoftheworld wrote:
All the dithering is because the council do not want to be seen to be discriminating. If these horses belonged to joe public the issue would have been sorted years ago. Gypsies get away with anything.

Spot on in this instance, the police shoot anything on four legs which belongs to people living in solid dwellings with foundations which has the misfortune to wander from its allocated field in this geographical location. The only difference is these horses have actually proved a danger on several well documented occasions now but their "owners" are not as easy to deal with as law abiding landowners and farmers who have this misfortune to have livestock escape.

This constant procrastination is going to end up with a life or lives being lost. What does it matter what other authorities do? There ia sufficient evidence available to indicate that this practice is a real danger and action is required now. Whether they be Gypsies, travellers or whatever, it makes no difference, they are putting lives at risk. Get a move on York council or is it to be like everything else that never happens in York?

Perhaps if these stray horses were reported to the police as big cats that had escaped from an unknown source then a more speedy and robust response would occur to protect the public.

Does anybody know where you can buy tiger or leopard paint?

I've noticed our ability to post comments on Councillors wages has been pulled!..why can we not comment on such 'Public' matters??

I can't see many farmers being keen to rent out grazing to travellers, the rent generated would never pay for all the red diesel and tractor batteries that would start to vanish from the farmyard.
Perhaps some councillors might consider renting out their lawns?

‘Jazzper says... 11:25am Thu 13 Sep 12
I've noticed our ability to post comments on Councillors wages has been pulled!..why can we not comment on such 'Public' matters??’

Because in the UK in 2012 democracy means the voting public not having their say to the people who purport to represent them, any dissent is managed by stonewalling and criminalizing dissenters piece by piece by legislation, no matter how valid the public interest.

In the USA at present riot training includes the statement that demonstrators (no matter what the cause) are actions of low level terrorists.
How long before that reaches these shores? Or has it already?

‘Gary Gilmores Eyes says... 11:18am Thu 13 Sep 12
Perhaps if these stray horses were reported to the police as big cats that had escaped from an unknown source then a more speedy and robust response would occur to protect the public.’



Or suspected suicide bomber horses and the suspected target was council or police property, they would be out to sort it out like a shot – no pun intended.

Jazzper wrote:
I've noticed our ability to post comments on Councillors wages has been pulled!..why can we not comment on such 'Public' matters??

Because Alexander has obviously dictated in his inimatable fashion. You shall not invite comment.

Cannot some animal charity 'rescue' these 'abandoned' horses? If they started to disappear from the roadside perhaps the 'Travellers' might just think twice about leaving them there.

On the subject of Travellers, why did the Council Tax payers of York pay for their electricity (£48,598), water (£7,862) and sewerage (£21,522) last year?

I'm surprised we didn't end up picking up the tab for their car tax, insurance, council tax and income tax as well. Oh! silly me...

‘Sawday2 says... 1:08pm Thu 13 Sep 12

I'm surprised we didn't end up picking up the tab for their car tax, insurance, council tax and income tax as well. Oh! silly me...’

Well actually we already have, as taxpayers/insurance payers ourselves as our levels of payments are artificially higher due to the people who do not pay!
Never mind the additional negative effect of also paying those benefits and all the other costs as stated in your original post.
We also have to pick up the tab for police/council/NHS etc. Time/costs/effort etc. for all the other services required after incidents like this!

Two legged rats that are out of population control.

Some may say that this is a form of discrimination here in relation to their horses and basically they don't like them being and their rights, way of life is being threatened.

Yawwwwn. Warters needs to find another drum to bang, this is old as hell. Call me crazy, but I suspect that these members of the traveller community aren't wilfully pushing their 'prized livestock' into insecure areas where they're liable to be hit, killed, lost etc. If they are, they need to be prosecuted.
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However, I know for a fact that police have been informed of at least one incident of ropes being interfered with on Clifton - wonder why the Press haven't reported that yet, even as a possibility. Certain anti-traveller commenters here are clearly intriguingly aware of how easy it would be. As far as paying rent, repairs etc goes, I'm trying not to bite. People need to do just a smidge of research before trotting out stereotypes - or perhaps a comparative study of rent collected and repairs in other lower income areas of the city. Still, when there's backward, badly educated twits on here making openly racist comments, while others sit back and ignore or even agree, York has got a long way to go. Maybe we should cut our losses and just become a nice, white, middle-class gated community. We can check ethnicity and cultural differences at the city wall bars!

GoodDoc wrote:
Yawwwwn. Warters needs to find another drum to bang, this is old as hell. Call me crazy, but I suspect that these members of the traveller community aren't wilfully pushing their 'prized livestock' into insecure areas where they're liable to be hit, killed, lost etc. If they are, they need to be prosecuted. . However, I know for a fact that police have been informed of at least one incident of ropes being interfered with on Clifton - wonder why the Press haven't reported that yet, even as a possibility. Certain anti-traveller commenters here are clearly intriguingly aware of how easy it would be. As far as paying rent, repairs etc goes, I'm trying not to bite. People need to do just a smidge of research before trotting out stereotypes - or perhaps a comparative study of rent collected and repairs in other lower income areas of the city. Still, when there's backward, badly educated twits on here making openly racist comments, while others sit back and ignore or even agree, York has got a long way to go. Maybe we should cut our losses and just become a nice, white, middle-class gated community. We can check ethnicity and cultural differences at the city wall bars!

Just hope your'e not a victim.

GoodDoc wrote:
Yawwwwn. Warters needs to find another drum to bang, this is old as hell. Call me crazy, but I suspect that these members of the traveller community aren't wilfully pushing their 'prized livestock' into insecure areas where they're liable to be hit, killed, lost etc. If they are, they need to be prosecuted.
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However, I know for a fact that police have been informed of at least one incident of ropes being interfered with on Clifton - wonder why the Press haven't reported that yet, even as a possibility. Certain anti-traveller commenters here are clearly intriguingly aware of how easy it would be. As far as paying rent, repairs etc goes, I'm trying not to bite. People need to do just a smidge of research before trotting out stereotypes - or perhaps a comparative study of rent collected and repairs in other lower income areas of the city. Still, when there's backward, badly educated twits on here making openly racist comments, while others sit back and ignore or even agree, York has got a long way to go. Maybe we should cut our losses and just become a nice, white, middle-class gated community. We can check ethnicity and cultural differences at the city wall bars!

Did I mention repairs or rent? I think you'll find I actually mentioned electricity, water and sewerage - things that council tax payers pay themselves - FACT, not discrimination.

They DO pay council tax and rent though don't they?

Sawday2 wrote:

GoodDoc wrote:
Yawwwwn. Warters needs to find another drum to bang, this is old as hell. Call me crazy, but I suspect that these members of the traveller community aren't wilfully pushing their 'prized livestock' into insecure areas where they're liable to be hit, killed, lost etc. If they are, they need to be prosecuted.
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However, I know for a fact that police have been informed of at least one incident of ropes being interfered with on Clifton - wonder why the Press haven't reported that yet, even as a possibility. Certain anti-traveller commenters here are clearly intriguingly aware of how easy it would be. As far as paying rent, repairs etc goes, I'm trying not to bite. People need to do just a smidge of research before trotting out stereotypes - or perhaps a comparative study of rent collected and repairs in other lower income areas of the city. Still, when there's backward, badly educated twits on here making openly racist comments, while others sit back and ignore or even agree, York has got a long way to go. Maybe we should cut our losses and just become a nice, white, middle-class gated community. We can check ethnicity and cultural differences at the city wall bars!

Did I mention repairs or rent? I think you'll find I actually mentioned electricity, water and sewerage - things that council tax payers pay themselves - FACT, not discrimination.

They DO pay council tax and rent though don't they?

Bit of the defensive there Sawdy, as if I was addressing you specifically.
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As far as I'm aware, our taxes pay utility bills etc for millions of benefit claimants, both in housing and on sites, on a means-tested basis. As far as the electrics is concerned, it's old news that the council had an inefficient and badly-planned system that was overhauled over a year ago. The sites now have pay meters which work on a pay-as-you-go basis. Seems fair to me...?
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And Bolero, as for me being a victim, somehow I've managed to avoid it. Despite living for over 8 years within a stone's throw of the James st site, and despite my family now living within 1 mile of another, we have never had a single issue. In fact, the only time my house has been burgled was when I lived in Acomb. I drive past traveller horses everyday, and never feel endangered. I suppose my family and me are just extraordinarily lucky, right? Either way, I hope this issue - whatever the cause - is sorted out soon.

Still, when there's backward, badly educated twits on here making openly racist comments, ????

and who the hell do you think you are!!

ever thought we might be right?

piaggio1 wrote:
Still, when there's backward, badly educated twits on here making openly racist comments, ????

and who the hell do you think you are!!

ever thought we might be right?

Having read your posts on here before piaggio, I can honestly say I've never once thought you were right. Who do I think I am? I don't think I have to be anyone special to object to racism!

‘GoodDoc says... ‘
Nothing and certainly no action!

Unfortunately its liberals like yourself that has led to the situation we have in this country as a whole and myself classing people who do not contribute to society in a positive manner in any form two legged rats is not racist as its aimed at all the other white/doley trash/oxygen thieves as well and believe me there are plenty of them!

Not confronting the issue does not make it go away it only makes it worse for the future or indeed somebody else.

Pikeys are not a race they are a breed an in-breed.

Sawday2 wrote:

They DO pay council tax and rent though don't they?

No, according to a fairly recent Press article on unpaid council tax at this location a large percentage is paid by council tax benefits and most of the rest went unpaid. Goodoc however insists they pay income tax, but one would question how you can do that in any significant way yet still claim benefits like council tax refief?

I've no doubt he'll know the answer though.

Pete the Brickie wrote:

Sawday2 wrote:

They DO pay council tax and rent though don't they?

No, according to a fairly recent Press article on unpaid council tax at this location a large percentage is paid by council tax benefits and most of the rest went unpaid. Goodoc however insists they pay income tax, but one would question how you can do that in any significant way yet still claim benefits like council tax refief?

I've no doubt he'll know the answer though.

Ermmm... in much the same way that anyone can? You can still earn money, pay tax, and receive benefits. Obviously, the more you earn, the less benefits you receive. Common knowledge.. so I thought. I was wondering when you'd say hello.

Gary, funny that. In my world, it's the intolerant, badly-educated xenophobes that are ruining this country - intent on creating and expanding divisions and becoming outraged. You'll forgive me for finding the term 'two-legged rats' just a little reminiscent of a certain political movement that has fallen from grace somewhat. I also find it amusing that you consider me a liberal after learning of my attitude on just one particular issue. Then again, you don't seem lke the kind of guy who balks at generalisations or swift judgements.