Driver hit by stray horse

Horses  tethered at  the side of  the York to Stamford Bridge road in April Horses tethered at the side of the York to Stamford Bridge road in April

ANOTHER motorist has hit a stray horse on a country road near York – just as councillors prepared to discuss plans to tackle the problem of tethered horses.

The 50-year-old van driver, from Acomb , who preferred not to be identified, told The Press how he only saw the black and white horse at the last second as he was driving along the road between Holtby and York late on Monday evening.

He said he swerved to avoid it but it clipped the side of the van, denting and scratching it and damaging the mirror.

“But if there had been something coming the other way, I would have been killed, and if I hadn’t swerved, it would have come through the window.

“I was very shaken up and couldn’t sleep a wink last night.” He also suspected he would now lose his no claims bonus. North Yorkshire Police confirmed the accident was reported.

The accident was the third involving tethered horses which have strayed into the road in the York area this year.

David Hughes, chairman of Holtby Parish Council, said: “We are very, very disturbed and annoyed about the horses and the lack of effort by City of York Council to deal with the problem,” he said. “We in the village are just waiting for a fatality.”

Independent Osbaldwick councillor Mark Warters, claimed there had been “absolutely scandalous” prevarication by the authority which was putting more lives at risk, particularly as the nights drew in.

“I believe that if someone dies after striking one of these horses, there could be a case for corporate manslaughter against the authority,” he said.

Members of the council’s community safety scrutiny committee were being updated last night on progress in dealing with such problems.

Steve Waddington, assistant director of housing and community safety, said beforehand that it was working with police, landowners, the RSPCA and the National Farmers’ Union to develop a policy and procedure to address the problem, including alternative grazing options, working with owners on the number of horses that they kept and an enforcement policy.

“These proposals will be presented to the council decision-making session for the cabinet member for crime and stronger sommunities shortly.”

Comments(44)

Eric Style says...
8:56am Wed 12 Sep 12

driver hits stray horse you mean

Kevin Turvey says...
9:16am Wed 12 Sep 12

'just as councillors prepared to discuss plans to tackle the problem of tethered horses. '

Surely in this case and the last one is was Untethered horses rather than Tehered horses that were the problem!

Well Well Well, I imagine there will be a few I told you so's now.

It's off to the glue factory for the horse 'owners' and dog food for the horses then!

Murphy_the_Spangle says...
10:04am Wed 12 Sep 12

I am not condoning the tethering of horses on verges but a horse is a rather large animal, how can you only see it at the last second?

Gary Gilmores Eyes says...
10:09am Wed 12 Sep 12

So if the comments on here start to bash the council will these also be removed to protect the sensitive leader from peoples negative opinion of him and his leadership?

Personally I think James Alexander should resign over this.

Garrowby Turnoff says...
10:51am Wed 12 Sep 12

What a life for the bedraggled, sad eyed ponies and horses. Tethered to a stake by 10ft of rope 24/7 with only a "bucket o' watter and a kick in t'guts" if they're lucky.

I wonder whether they deliberately step into an oncoming vehicle in order to "end it all"?

Osbaldwick Lad says...
11:22am Wed 12 Sep 12

Could I suggest that these horses are taken into Council care. They could then be used by Councillors and officials to go about their official duties on horseback. This would make a nice saving on travelling expenses.

yorkiemum says...
11:25am Wed 12 Sep 12

Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
Could I suggest that these horses are taken into Council care. They could then be used by Councillors and officials to go about their official duties on horseback. This would make a nice saving on travelling expenses.
Hahaha that made me smile much cheaper than the official limo!!

Sawday2 says...
11:41am Wed 12 Sep 12

That the horse was there at all is very probably illegal (if indeed it was a 'travellers' animal), so who is going to be bought to justice over this?

leannec91 says...
11:44am Wed 12 Sep 12

why dont the council buy a field for them and make travellers pay rent to keep there horses in there ,horses on the road between holtby and stockton on forest back roads are always getting loose if the travellers where bothered about there animals then they should atleast cheak on them last year youths walked on the a166 and un hooked all the horses and a women i no whitnessed 1 of the horses get hit by a lorry thats how sad some people are for unhooking them

akuma says...
11:56am Wed 12 Sep 12

leannec91 wrote:
why dont the council buy a field for them and make travellers pay rent to keep there horses in there ,horses on the road between holtby and stockton on forest back roads are always getting loose if the travellers where bothered about there animals then they should atleast cheak on them last year youths walked on the a166 and un hooked all the horses and a women i no whitnessed 1 of the horses get hit by a lorry thats how sad some people are for unhooking them
and make travellers pay rent


LOL, I just spat tea over my keyboard reading that!

BioLogic says...
11:58am Wed 12 Sep 12

The owner of the horse is at fault for the accident for allowing it to stray into the road, CYC is also liable for failing to address a known problem, however it could be argued if they weren't aware of this specific horse their liability is limited.

However the owner is fully liable. If they cannot be traced by NYP or NYP cant be bothered (which is more likely) then the Motor Insurers Bureau will pick up the uninsured losses of the unlucky Van Driver, he shouldn't loose his no claims.

sheps lad says...
12:07pm Wed 12 Sep 12

BioLogic wrote:
The owner of the horse is at fault for the accident for allowing it to stray into the road, CYC is also liable for failing to address a known problem, however it could be argued if they weren't aware of this specific horse their liability is limited.

However the owner is fully liable. If they cannot be traced by NYP or NYP cant be bothered (which is more likely) then the Motor Insurers Bureau will pick up the uninsured losses of the unlucky Van Driver, he shouldn't loose his no claims.
The owner of the horse is called Smith!

leannec91 says...
12:13pm Wed 12 Sep 12

sheps lad nearly all travellers are smiths

Boadicea says...
12:18pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Kevin Turvey wrote:
'just as councillors prepared to discuss plans to tackle the problem of tethered horses. ' Surely in this case and the last one is was Untethered horses rather than Tehered horses that were the problem! Well Well Well, I imagine there will be a few I told you so's now. It's off to the glue factory for the horse 'owners' and dog food for the horses then!
EXACTLY.

Whistlejacket says...
12:18pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Most towns used to have pinfolds, which were "built to hold animals found straying from their owner's land or grazing on the common without common rights. The animals would only be released on payment of a fine to the Pinder who was an officer of the Lord of the Manor. "
There are still surviving pinfolds on Tadcaster road near the Fox and Roman pub and at Acaster Malbis.
The relevant law is probably still in force.
If the fine isn't paid in 30 days, then it's Cassoulet de Mare and Filly Steak on the school lunch menu.

Stevie D says...
12:47pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Murphy_the_Spangle wrote:
I am not condoning the tethering of horses on verges but a horse is a rather large animal, how can you only see it at the last second?

Horses don't have headlights, and don't wear reflective strips either. If you've had to dip your lights because of other vehicles on the road, you won't necessarily get a lot of warning of an unlit object, particularly if it walks into your path from the verge or the other side of the road.

capt spaulding says...
1:14pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Whistlejacket wrote:
Most towns used to have pinfolds, which were "built to hold animals found straying from their owner's land or grazing on the common without common rights. The animals would only be released on payment of a fine to the Pinder who was an officer of the Lord of the Manor. "
There are still surviving pinfolds on Tadcaster road near the Fox and Roman pub and at Acaster Malbis.
The relevant law is probably still in force.
If the fine isn't paid in 30 days, then it's Cassoulet de Mare and Filly Steak on the school lunch menu.
Can you let me have the recipe for cassoulet de mare......sounds yummy

Digeorge says...
1:38pm Wed 12 Sep 12

sheps lad says...

The owner of this horse is called Smith!

Does it mean Smith et al? Which one?


Very funny probably is as well!

I think you might find it owned by the local travellers who have suddenly 'disowned' it.

ilikechocolate says...
1:51pm Wed 12 Sep 12

I read somewhere that Defra are now responsible for these as they are part of the food chain (if ur french or belgian)

yorkshirelad says...
2:02pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Stevie D wrote:
Murphy_the_Spangle wrote:
I am not condoning the tethering of horses on verges but a horse is a rather large animal, how can you only see it at the last second?

Horses don't have headlights, and don't wear reflective strips either. If you've had to dip your lights because of other vehicles on the road, you won't necessarily get a lot of warning of an unlit object, particularly if it walks into your path from the verge or the other side of the road.
Hmmm...remind me not to cross the road when you're around.

sheps lad says...
2:06pm Wed 12 Sep 12

leannec91 wrote:
sheps lad nearly all travellers are smiths
Did you not get the joke?

Eric Olthwaite says...
2:26pm Wed 12 Sep 12

‘Steve Waddington, assistant director of housing and community safety, said beforehand that it was working with police, landowners, the RSPCA and the National Farmers’ Union to develop a policy and procedure to address the problem, including alternative grazing options, working with owners on the number of horses that they kept and an enforcement policy.’


Developing a policy and procedure to address the problem….. therefore they are doing nothing in practical terms despite the law is already in place to deal with the problem.

Typical relevant authority’s **** footing around as usual!

Never mind, see the Press’s earlier story this week about the costs of fixing/tidying up travellers sites to the council tax payer… let’s throw more money at the problem for it not to go away!

I can only hope that the next accident involving these untethered horses is with a council vehicle or police vehicle and it will be self-inflicted at the taxpayer’s expenses yet again.



The headline ‘Driver hit by Stray horse’

It is a well-known fact that horses are experts at boxing and other martial arts and those hooves are large and very heavy, never mind the fact that they are owned by members of the travelling community who are also well known for their illegal bare knuckle boxing matches for large amounts of cash.
Those horses are double hard.

Digeorge says...
2:43pm Wed 12 Sep 12

The headline should read:

Horse hit by driver driving carelessly and too fast.

Question was the driver going to fast around that area as it is a well-known fact that there are loose horses there.

Fact about those travellers ponies, they probably do not have horse shoes on their feet and riddled with worms etc so don't kick as hard as you think!

And there is a cattlegrid at Sherriff Hutton so you can't drive too fast anyway as it curves the wrong way as you go over it.


Perhaps Julian Sturdy MP would like to investigate?

Gary Gilmores Eyes says...
2:54pm Wed 12 Sep 12

‘Digeorge says... 2:43pm Wed 12 Sep 12
And there is a cattlegrid at Sherriff Hutton so you can't drive too fast anyway as it curves the wrong way as you go over it.’

Are you commenting on a different incident to that reported ?

The ‘story’ clearly states:
‘driving along the road between Holtby and York’ ie. the Bridlington Road (A166)

Holtby is nowhere near Sheriff Hutton.

If you know of another similar incident that has not been reported in the press that the council/police are doing nothing about please tell us.

Pete the Brickie says...
3:12pm Wed 12 Sep 12

I wonder if the group of police officers who found time to sit in a local council meeting for several hours, attempting to absolve their employer of any responsibility for road safety involving livestock owned by people who don't live in a structure made from bricks recently's time could have been better spent patrolling this locality and keeping an eye out for these equine menaces and reminding the animal's feckless owners of the basic responsibilities involved in keeping them?

Digeorge says...
4:03pm Wed 12 Sep 12

There are others in Sheriff Hutton, you only have to look at the verges on a Summer Day same sort of thing, no different.

Digeorge says...
4:05pm Wed 12 Sep 12

The horses travel like their owners - that's why they call them 'travellers'!

Not very far though when you have a horse and cart.

Digeorge says...
4:32pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Lots more on the archive! And they are all owned....

Travellers' horses 'damaging hedgerows'
12:00am Thursday 19 October 2000

A collection of more than 30 horses belonging to a family of travellers has left a trail of devastation costing thousands of pounds at illegal encampments surrounding York.

RSPCA officers seize 22 travellers’ horses
2:22pm Wednesday 4 April 2012

CONCERNS raised by members of the public have led to the seizure of 22 horses belonging to a travelling family.

Roadside horses 'put off visitors'
12:00pm Tuesday 7 May 2002

A TOURISM leader today slammed the miserable and negative image created by tethered horses on a key route into York.

Appeal from travellers after horses go missing
12:00pm Saturday 13 April 2002

A FAMILY of York travellers has appealed for information after two of their horses went missing.

'Hazard' travellers face court ban
12:00pm Friday 8 March 2002

COUNCIL officers have been authorised to seek a High Court injunction banning a travelling family from camping alongside highways across York.

Problem travellers face York-wide roads ban
12:00pm Thursday 7 March 2002

A TRAVELLING family which has had 111 complaints against it could face a High Court injunction banning it from highways across the whole of York.

meme says...
4:40pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Did the horse throw a left or right 'hoof'?

AnotherPointofView says...
5:10pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Digeorge wrote:
The headline should read:

Horse hit by driver driving carelessly and too fast.

Question was the driver going to fast around that area as it is a well-known fact that there are loose horses there.

Fact about those travellers ponies, they probably do not have horse shoes on their feet and riddled with worms etc so don't kick as hard as you think!

And there is a cattlegrid at Sherriff Hutton so you can't drive too fast anyway as it curves the wrong way as you go over it.


Perhaps Julian Sturdy MP would like to investigate?
... and your evidence for the driver commiting several offences is what?

Digeorge says...
5:32pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Wasn't a witness so can't comment.

There is a saying 'many a true word spoken in jest'

What is to say that he wasn't?

xtc says...
6:32pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Police horses know where to shop for fluorescent clothing!cyc should be dealing with this or dealt with it long ago not just about too!

nearlyman says...
6:43pm Wed 12 Sep 12

The answer is glue................
.............

chuckynorris says...
10:23pm Wed 12 Sep 12

The local constabulary have always shied away from dealing with these horses right back to when they used to tow them by Panda car out of York up the Malton road into Ryedale and then make an anonymous call from the phone box by the 4 Alls to the Malton police reporting horses loose on the highway.
PS Is it true these animals are destined for French cooking pots?

piaggio1 says...
10:40pm Wed 12 Sep 12

4 Alls ?? god i,ve bin trying to think what that pub wer called .camerons house. so what was the pub called at the start of the duell carridgway ,that is now a pakistani resturant...........
...and yea get em on the stove

piaggio1 says...
10:42pm Wed 12 Sep 12

oh i, anyone seen those mini ponys on stammy bridge road,god they is small

Stevie D says...
1:18pm Thu 13 Sep 12

yorkshirelad wrote:
Hmmm...remind me not to cross the road when you're around.

If you're walking across or along an unlit 60mph road with no lights or reflectors on you and without checking for traffic, I think you'll find that most drivers will fail to see you until you're bouncing off their bonnet.

JeagerBrain says...
10:54am Fri 14 Sep 12

This is just another situation of Pikeys getting away with murder!!! I live in Stamford Bridge and travel down the back roads towards Stockton on Forest frequently and the amount of times I have had to swerve to miss these horses! Why cant the RSPCA take them all away? This is just another issue on the long list of that Gypsies get away with. Shame there hasnt been a couple of gypsies stood in the road instead of their poor horses. Erradicate the whole community then it will get crap like My Big Fat Gypsie Wedding of the TV as well!!!

ilikechocolate says...
1:49pm Fri 14 Sep 12

They are a menace i nearly hit one on Holtby Lane going about 10mph having pulled off a side road if i was going any faster it would have splattered us all as it shot from one side of the road to the other, how can you see anything like that in the dark - Digeorge????

honestworker says...
9:14pm Fri 14 Sep 12

i agree with alot of the above. i drive with extra care round these travellers horses just incase they not tied up etc. there is no come back on the people who own them like normal the troublesome travellers get away with it along with the rest of the stuff they do. id be fuming if my pride and joy of a car got damaged due to these horses. feel sorry for the horses though :( as above be a shame if some gypsies got hit wouldnt it!! and why the hell they get tv series made about gypsies getting married is beyond me just another insult to us good people!

GuyWithCommonSense says...
6:10pm Sun 16 Sep 12

IS THIS A JOKE? I found that horse around 4am on my way home after a night out! Whoever this man from Acomb is, is most likely to be one of the people who drove past me standing in the rain trying to hail down passing cars for help as my phone was dead and I had no means of controlling the horse who was quite resistant! Eventually I managed to contact the police who said they would send somebody. 40 Minutes later I contacted them again and they told me that the owners had been contacted and that they were on their way. Obviously I didn't fancy waiting around for some gypsies so I managed to tie the horse down with some rope. Asides from my delay with a dead phone battery, this could have been dealt with A LOT better by police by either coming to the scene themselves or at least letting me know that they had contacted the owners. It was a dark night and I only noticed the horse because I was cycling, when I got there it was in the middle of the road on a corner and most definitely would have caused an accident if a car had come.

Theapplesarecoming says...
9:21pm Sun 16 Sep 12

GuyWithCommonSense wrote:
IS THIS A JOKE? I found that horse around 4am on my way home after a night out! Whoever this man from Acomb is, is most likely to be one of the people who drove past me standing in the rain trying to hail down passing cars for help as my phone was dead and I had no means of controlling the horse who was quite resistant! Eventually I managed to contact the police who said they would send somebody. 40 Minutes later I contacted them again and they told me that the owners had been contacted and that they were on their way. Obviously I didn't fancy waiting around for some gypsies so I managed to tie the horse down with some rope. Asides from my delay with a dead phone battery, this could have been dealt with A LOT better by police by either coming to the scene themselves or at least letting me know that they had contacted the owners. It was a dark night and I only noticed the horse because I was cycling, when I got there it was in the middle of the road on a corner and most definitely would have caused an accident if a car had come.
No offence but if I had saw you holding a horse waving in the rain I would assume you were a gype and stay well away , sorry but people don't take risks in helping people anymore as so many are nutter , you had been on a night out? Were you also drunk ? ( another avoid box ticked)

GuyWithCommonSense says...
9:30pm Sun 16 Sep 12

Theapplesarecoming wrote:
GuyWithCommonSense wrote:
IS THIS A JOKE? I found that horse around 4am on my way home after a night out! Whoever this man from Acomb is, is most likely to be one of the people who drove past me standing in the rain trying to hail down passing cars for help as my phone was dead and I had no means of controlling the horse who was quite resistant! Eventually I managed to contact the police who said they would send somebody. 40 Minutes later I contacted them again and they told me that the owners had been contacted and that they were on their way. Obviously I didn't fancy waiting around for some gypsies so I managed to tie the horse down with some rope. Asides from my delay with a dead phone battery, this could have been dealt with A LOT better by police by either coming to the scene themselves or at least letting me know that they had contacted the owners. It was a dark night and I only noticed the horse because I was cycling, when I got there it was in the middle of the road on a corner and most definitely would have caused an accident if a car had come.
No offence but if I had saw you holding a horse waving in the rain I would assume you were a gype and stay well away , sorry but people don't take risks in helping people anymore as so many are nutter , you had been on a night out? Were you also drunk ? ( another avoid box ticked)
I had been drinking yes but I wouldn't have come across as drunk & I can't say I would describe my personal appearance as that of a gypsy...

Although 'stranger danger in the dark in the early hours', I can appreciate ha

happydad says...
3:18pm Mon 17 Sep 12

piaggio1 wrote:
4 Alls ?? god i,ve bin trying to think what that pub wer called .camerons house. so what was the pub called at the start of the duell carridgway ,that is now a pakistani resturant...........

...and yea get em on the stove
Flamingoland Inn - before that Snickleback I think

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