Council travel ‘perk’ could be axed by end of year

A PERK which allows hundreds of council staff in York to use their work vehicles for commuting while taxpayers cover their fuel bills could be axed by the end of the year.

City of York Council officers were told to look at a system which allows up to 200 of the authority’s employees to take vehicles home without paying for petrol or diesel themselves.

The review was ordered after the Labour group took control last year by council leader James Alexander when he learned about the long-standing perk.

Since then talks have been held with trade unions about a change in the rules.

New guidelines are now set to be brought in within months, meaning staff will have to foot their own fuel costs when they use council vehicles to commute.

The total cost of the current home-to-work transport scheme is believed to be about £150,000 a year.

Coun Alexander said that while some staff needed to take vehicles home because they were on call, others lived some distance from York and the policy needed to be reviewed.

“I instructed officers to address this issue on learning of this practice which had gone on for many years,” he said.

“As with all important issues involving staff, it has required discussions with trade unions. Long-standing practice is an implied contractual term, with legal standing, so discussions progressed and officers have had to give this proper consideration.

“A policy for charging staff for home-to-work transport should be implemented in the coming months, and I expect this to be by the end of 2012 following further discussions with staff representatives.”

Coun Alexander said the new rules would be in line with the withdrawal of Park&Ride passes for council staff, which has already been introduced, and would ensure “all staff are treated equally” over personal travel matters.

“This sum of money would be better spent keeping staff in work and delivering services for York residents,” he said.

When the review was launched, Coun Alexander said it was accepted that some staff made a contribution towards the use of pool cars and were sometimes asked to take them home to avoid problems with storage on council premises.

The perk is believed to have been introduced in the early 1980s as part of the terms and conditions of staff transferring to York from Ryedale and Selby under local government reorganisation.

The UNISON union, which represents many council staff in York, has said allowing staff to take vehicles home often meant they were in the best position to drive to a location the following day and helped productivity and efficiency, while tracking devices had been fitted to the council’s fleet to prevent the system being abused.

Comments(17)

colette says...
9:38am Fri 31 Aug 12

Hm! I wonder if Coun Alexander gets travel expenses to attend meetings, etc. How much could the citizens of York save if councillors' expenses were reviewed?

meme says...
9:49am Fri 31 Aug 12

If we take company vehicles home we are taxed on this perk so I hope they have all been paying their taxes!!

Pete the Brickie says...
10:27am Fri 31 Aug 12

This is not actually a "perk" as Councillor Alexander insists on glibly describing it.

If the company vehicle is a van the driver is allowed by inland revenue rules to use the vehicle for commuting without paying tax. This rule was brought in when Gordan Brown raised the taxable value of having such vehicles for personal use from £700 per year to £3,500 but allowed drivers to state they only used it for work and driving to and from work and not pay any tax at all. The result was I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying a nett loss of tax revenue as most people chose that option and ended up paying no tax on £3,500 instead of 22% of £700.

The commuting loophole was left to prevent millions of van drivers finishing work early to return their vehicles to work premises each night, costing billions in lost production. James may well find he will make no savings what so ever in fuel as the depot will be as close to the workplace as home for most and the council will loose a lot of working hours as workers return the vehicles to their depot each night in the council's time and make their own way home.

If the vehicle is a car the employee will of course be paying tax on personal use and fuel if they take it home, that is mandatory.

who are ya says...
1:17pm Fri 31 Aug 12

I would have though t that a half dozen vans for out of hours maintance would be about fair enough but, upto 200? thats a **** take.Company vehicles should be left at work premises and all milage and fuel has to be accounted for, well most companies do this except it seems City of York Council. For once I agree with James Alexander but wonder if he makes himself and collegues abide by these rules too.

Pete the Brickie says...
1:40pm Fri 31 Aug 12

who are ya wrote:
I would have though t that a half dozen vans for out of hours maintance would be about fair enough but, upto 200? thats a **** take.Company vehicles should be left at work premises and all milage and fuel has to be accounted for, well most companies do this except it seems City of York Council. For once I agree with James Alexander but wonder if he makes himself and collegues abide by these rules too.
I'd disagree, not many companies ask their employees to bring fleets of vans back to one location each evening, private or public. If just half the drivers of the 200 vans decided to finish half an earlier to return their van to James street each day and meet up at the depot each morning to pick it up instead of going straight to work from home you are looking at 70-100 hours of lost production per day, I have a small fleet of vehicles and I know this is right, believe me when I say £150k per year fuel/running costs is nothing compared to what it will cost in wasted manpower, to say nothing of the traffic/storage/secu
rity/insurance problems when they all return bang on ten minutes before home time to store upwards of 100 mobile catalyst convertors next to a place full of people who like aquiring scrap metal for free.

Guy Fawkes says...
3:38pm Fri 31 Aug 12

Agreed completely with Pete. An employee who is not simply commuting to and from the same place each day has extra expenses that are necessary for (s)he to do their job and which someone driving from home to the same office does not have. In that situation (e.g. someone who drives around the city inspecting restaurant kitchens or changing the bulbs in streetlights, for example), letting them use their employer-provided vehicle to get to and from home at the start and end of each day makes sense, and I've got no problem with that.

Coun Alexander said that while some staff needed to take vehicles home because they were on call, others lived some distance from York and the policy needed to be reviewed.


So he's saying that at present, some CoYC staff are allowed to use council vehicles to commute to and from a fixed workplace simply because they live a significant distance from it? Sorry, but that's absolutely not on. If you choose to live a long commute away from your workplace, that's your choice and you have to eat the cost of that.

only human says...
4:19pm Fri 31 Aug 12

not sure which department they work for but the people i know who go to assist the elderly and the disabled in thei own homes on a 24 hour 365 day a year service recently had the option to use so called 'pool cars' removed.
whilst their contracts states that part of their job means accessing people from across york to udertake pre planned and task timed care etc,they cannot do this effectively and efficently without access to a vehicle.
This means that they have to use their own vehicles to do the job and also to ferry around the workers who refuse to use their own cars or just choose not to own a car.
For this they are required to list details of every mile undertaken and every call detail and the reason for the journey,then at the end of each month they have to submit these forms and cyc pay per mile.
they are told that they would still be able to do their list of house calls on foot,bike or bus in the same amount of time but this would be impossible due to the distance involved between addresses.
the socalle dmileae allowance has been cut recentl and with the massive hikes in fuel costs it is now not financially viable to use your own vehicle.
i would like to know how the other half of cyc workers milk the system....the whole thing is a shambles and needs an urgent review.

boroboy111 says...
6:25pm Fri 31 Aug 12

It is not a perk but a operational requirement that vehicles are taken home to save on man hours ect,the majority of vehicles are building repairs and as stated earlier in one of the more sensible posts jobs are sorted nearest the tradesmens address to maximize the the operatives hrs on job,also there are fascilities to park all the cyc vehicles in question ,initially the concerns reg use of fuel ect was pointed at office staff just using a vehicle to travel to and from work inc pool cars and it has been misconstrued to include all the tradesmens vehicles!,the misuse of council vehicles and fuel is being abused by management and supervisory staff and not the hard working tradesmen,who use the vehicles to the best working time restraints.

magic cat says...
7:06pm Fri 31 Aug 12

Bit of a sideshow really by Calamity James to deflect attention away from the real issues which his administration are not dealing with.

greenmonkey says...
8:18pm Fri 31 Aug 12

Dont have a problem with workers taking a van home if that is more efficient (starting work when reaching the city boundary or the first job) but fail to see why council tax payers should provide all the fuel for someone who lives 30 miles away!
On the question of councillors, they have recently been told they can only claim travel allowance for attending official council meetings which they are a member of (although they still get free parking permits for council car parks).

thelostshoe1977 says...
8:26pm Fri 31 Aug 12

dont get this, i use company vehicles but if i am due to start work at 0700 i arrive to collect the vehicle in time so that i can start work at 0700 why is this any different for council workers.

Silver says...
8:27pm Fri 31 Aug 12

End of the day council workers are a varied bunch with not all relying on a 9 to 5 timetable, some will be working ridiculously early to make the city clean, others will be popping in to check on the elderly why make them goto various areas to pick up a vehicle when they could just go straight to work. Also if they all have to head to various locations to pick up and deposit vehicles then they will add a lot of congestion to the nearby roads. I'm not sure about the whole living miles away and commuting with a work vehicle but perhaps a reasonable fee for the use of petrol for the individuals who do this would be a fair compromise

normansmith says...
8:43pm Fri 31 Aug 12

Councillors are obsessed by employee 'perks'. Park & Ride provided a sustainable approach for reducing congestion, however staff now drive into the city and park in residential areas. In regards to fuel allowances, I'm sure that there are very good reasons for staff using vehicles in the way that they do. If councillors really want to look at saving money, they need to look at reducing burearcracy rather than scoring cheap political points to please discruntled council tax paying residents. What next, a campaign to classify toilet paper as a staff perk!

thelostshoe1977 says...
9:02pm Fri 31 Aug 12

normansmith wrote:
Councillors are obsessed by employee 'perks'. Park & Ride provided a sustainable approach for reducing congestion, however staff now drive into the city and park in residential areas. In regards to fuel allowances, I'm sure that there are very good reasons for staff using vehicles in the way that they do. If councillors really want to look at saving money, they need to look at reducing burearcracy rather than scoring cheap political points to please discruntled council tax paying residents. What next, a campaign to classify toilet paper as a staff perk!
have you tried parking in residential areas around the city, it is impossible since the council started charging people for parking outside there own homes.

sometimes i tell the truth says...
11:30am Sun 2 Sep 12

Not sure how much of a saving this would actually give as the council doesn't have enough secure parking for its vehicles. The cost of extra parking could negate any savings.

...and before anyone mentions using public car parks, do you really think it'd be a good idea to have a couple of dozen marked vans parked up in the same place in Marygate car park every night? Far better to have them spread around the suburbs.

conkee says...
11:09pm Mon 3 Sep 12

half of these council drivers/workmen live 20 to 60 miles away from the depot why should we subsidise these with free travel to work?? i,m sure its not cost effective to go straight to the first job in the van instead of the yard when you live in sheffield... lets have some sort of charge.who else gets a free van and fuel to get to work???

AliyaaF says...
3:44pm Tue 4 Sep 12

most depot workers live miles away. they wont have a work force if they do this.

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