Muslim leaders say mosque will aid integration (From York Press)
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Muslim leaders say Bull Lane mosque will aid integration
8:06am Thursday 30th August 2012 in News
By Dan Bean, dan.bean@thepress.co.uk
Inspecting the plans for the new mosque inside the current building are, from left, York Mosque Imam Ibid Salik, LHL Group director Richard Hampshire, York Mosque project manager Shazad Hussain, and LHL Group building surveyor Nadeem Sadiq
A NEW £1.5 million mosque will help promote religious integration in York, a member of the Muslim community has said.
City of York Council approved plans for the mosque, to be built in Bull Lane, earlier this month, and fundraising has already begun around the country to enable the 8,000 square-foot project to go ahead.
The current mosque is attended by up to 300 Muslim families living in the city, along with overseas students from local universities, but the new building will be able to hold 480 people, and will include an exhibition room with Islamic literature, artefacts, and details on the history of the site.
Shazad Hussain, who is in charge of the York Mosque scheme, said: “The current mosque is damp and cramped with high maintenance costs and health and safety issues.
“Our wish is that the new mosque will become a religious resource for schools and interfaith groups to learn about Islam. We want the replacement mosque to promote integration and harmony and to have real benefits for the wider community in a city which is an important religious centre.”
Developers said some rooms at the building, which would also feature Islamic arch windows and two 12-foot minarets, could be made available to local community groups for hire, in a further effort to bond with local residents.
Mr Hussain said: “Our wish is to create an important new place of worship and a valuable facility which York people will be proud of.”
Richard Hampshire, a director at York-based LHL Group, who designed the new site, said the new plan was an improvement on the current mosque, and better than the plan for the larger scheme, which was withdrawn last year.
He said: “The existing mosque building is not suitable in quality or size for an important religion such as Islam. The proposed scheme is far smaller and more compact than the earlier plan. It is also very high-quality with good environmental credentials as well as addressing other planning and construction difficulties. We’re pleased to have local authority support and look forward to taking it to the next stage.”
Building is hoped to start within the next two years.
Comments(33)
CHISSY1
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8:33am Thu 30 Aug 12
Gary Gilmores Eyes
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8:48am Thu 30 Aug 12
I am also upset that there will not be a call to prayer broadcast over loadspeakers.
I am sure that MI5 have already seen the plans and worked out where to plant the listening devices to put in place when the building is being built!
capt spaulding
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9:09am Thu 30 Aug 12
Examples of the enthusiastic integration of the Muslim communities in other cities make it very obvious to all that the chances of this happening are remote.
old_geezer
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10:37am Thu 30 Aug 12
capt spaulding
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11:10am Thu 30 Aug 12
You wont have to stay long and your education will take a leap forward. And then I will ask you, is this what you want to happen in York ? ? ?
insyder1
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11:41am Thu 30 Aug 12
capt spaulding wrote:No love for Harehills?
So that makes it ok for them to colonise this country and side line the indigenous population does it ? Give your bus pass a dust off and have a ride to Harehills in Leeds.
You wont have to stay long and your education will take a leap forward. And then I will ask you, is this what you want to happen in York ? ? ?
It is so diverse and it's got a good vibe about.You have Asians, Africans, Arabs and Eastern Europeans all mingling.It also has many great halal food outlets, it would be amazing if an area of York was like that! One can always dream.....this mosque may be start of making that dream a reality.
The ball is officially rolling...
The Real Librarian
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11:47am Thu 30 Aug 12
The Islamia Village was due to host a number of speakers who have spoken in the past of their hate for non-muslims and the necessity that apostates and homosexuals should be killed.
Fortunately the Trustees of the Thorpe Underwood Estate saw sense and the event was cancelled at the last minute.
Hurryupharry.org/201
2/08/23islamia-villa
ge-event-cancelled/
insyder1
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11:54am Thu 30 Aug 12
The Real Librarian wrote:Please don't get things twisted.
The Muslim community in York have some ground to make up on integration, judging by the recent failed attempt to hold what was described in the National Media as a “hatefest” at the Thorpe Underwood Estate.
The Islamia Village was due to host a number of speakers who have spoken in the past of their hate for non-muslims and the necessity that apostates and homosexuals should be killed.
Fortunately the Trustees of the Thorpe Underwood Estate saw sense and the event was cancelled at the last minute.
Hurryupharry.org/201
2/08/23islamia-villa
ge-event-cancelled/
That event was NOT organized, promoted or affiliated in ANY way to York Mosque.
capt spaulding
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12:13pm Thu 30 Aug 12
Your uncomfortable threatening contribution was removed and rightly so.
Your credibility is rock bottom .
All can see you for what you are , a trouble maker.
insyder1
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12:24pm Thu 30 Aug 12
I seem to recall that you made racist, inflammatory and xenophobic comments that were rightly removed.
It is clear that you are afraid and insecure.
You need not be.We Muslims want peace and harmony for all.
Stop being a troll.
Chrido81
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12:26pm Thu 30 Aug 12
ReginaldBiscuit
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12:49pm Thu 30 Aug 12
The only thing I have problem with is the fact that all major faiths are internally flawed by division, bigotry and hate. Extremist Islam (which is what everyone gets hot about) is just a populist media hot potato at the moment which clearly has nothing to do with building a simple mosque, a peaceful place of worship. It isn't a war although you'll probably find that more people have died in the course of humanity through religious wars and persecution than any other cause.
You've probably guessed that I am anti-religion but I am certainly not anti-race. We're all born on this rock equal and equally we die on it. Who made God is an interesting question but one I will not discuss here.
We die, that's it, move on. A shiny new mosque will be built, that's it, move on.
LOLington for everybody.
Oncebitten
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12:54pm Thu 30 Aug 12
ReginaldBiscuit wrote:Reg....take the Biscuit...well said (applauds even)...👏👏
If creationists want to build or improve their temples then let them. It isn't harming anyone. Islam is just another branch of a religion and like all the other religions, they just need some place to go and worship.
The only thing I have problem with is the fact that all major faiths are internally flawed by division, bigotry and hate. Extremist Islam (which is what everyone gets hot about) is just a populist media hot potato at the moment which clearly has nothing to do with building a simple mosque, a peaceful place of worship. It isn't a war although you'll probably find that more people have died in the course of humanity through religious wars and persecution than any other cause.
You've probably guessed that I am anti-religion but I am certainly not anti-race. We're all born on this rock equal and equally we die on it. Who made God is an interesting question but one I will not discuss here.
We die, that's it, move on. A shiny new mosque will be built, that's it, move on.
LOLington for everybody.
ShunGokuSatsu
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1:11pm Thu 30 Aug 12
capt spaulding wrote:Aren't these sorts of statement traditionally meant to be preceded by "I'm not racist, but..."?
I am willing to integrate with the Muslim community as much as they are willing to integrate with me and the rest of the population of York. Examples of the enthusiastic integration of the Muslim communities in other cities make it very obvious to all that the chances of this happening are remote.
trooper1138
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2:41pm Thu 30 Aug 12
Pedro
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4:47pm Thu 30 Aug 12
R'Marcus
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4:51pm Thu 30 Aug 12
capt spaulding wrote:"Integration" and "Muslims" are misnomers.
I am willing to integrate with the Muslim community as much as they are willing to integrate with me and the rest of the population of York.
Examples of the enthusiastic integration of the Muslim communities in other cities make it very obvious to all that the chances of this happening are remote.
The Muslims do not want integration: they want their own country: ours!
R'Marcus
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4:57pm Thu 30 Aug 12
old_geezer wrote:Talking about forebears: do you know that the Muslims spread fro Mecca and took over northern Africa by violence in the 15th . Read the history by Ben Tuta and the violent take-over of Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, to name a few.
Capt S: although two wrongs don't make a right, far from integrating, our colonising forebears usually operated a colour bar, with all the humiliations that involved for "the natives" in their own countries. Now, let's keep the doors open and not play the blame game.
Their are still trying to take over Nigeria as I write!
Caecilius
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5:28pm Thu 30 Aug 12
R'Marcus wrote:Of course, the UK DID take over Nigeria, and acquired great swathes of Africa by violence in the 19th Century.
old_geezer wrote: Capt S: although two wrongs don't make a right, far from integrating, our colonising forebears usually operated a colour bar, with all the humiliations that involved for "the natives" in their own countries. Now, let's keep the doors open and not play the blame game.Talking about forebears: do you know that the Muslims spread fro Mecca and took over northern Africa by violence in the 15th . Read the history by Ben Tuta and the violent take-over of Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, to name a few. Their are still trying to take over Nigeria as I write!
Very few, if any, white colonisers attend services in York Minster these days. Quite likely very few, if any, Islamic expansionists will be attending servies in the new mosque.
old_geezer
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6:56pm Thu 30 Aug 12
So roll on the new mosque.
And regarding Islamic expansionism, past and present: not good, but no worse than past and present zealots calling themselves Christian.
Zetkin
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7:01pm Thu 30 Aug 12
Good luck to all involved with building York's new mosque. I look forward to dropping in for a cup of tea.
Silver
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8:01pm Thu 30 Aug 12
deathwatch
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9:42pm Thu 30 Aug 12
R'Marcus wrote:Are you wearing your Nazi SS uniform as you typed this "them & us" RACIST "they're-taking-over
capt spaulding wrote:"Integration" and "Muslims" are misnomers.
I am willing to integrate with the Muslim community as much as they are willing to integrate with me and the rest of the population of York.
Examples of the enthusiastic integration of the Muslim communities in other cities make it very obvious to all that the chances of this happening are remote.
The Muslims do not want integration: they want their own country: ours!
-our-country" rant?
Even AndyD
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9:59pm Thu 30 Aug 12
A thousand years ago someone from the next valley was a 'foreigner'. But as the years have passed, the world has got smaller and will continue to do so. Successful integration and tolerance is therefore essential, we WILL become even more mixed as communities.
Those who seek to social stereotype groups of people tend not to have met enough of them, in my humble opinion. Or at least have not made the effort to do so. Deep down we all know that people are people and there is good and bad in all religious or national groupings. It is only ignorance that stops people from recognising that. Those who do feel this way - maybe try popping down to this new building, you may well be surprised.
piaggio1
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10:07pm Thu 30 Aug 12
er, yes there is pal.
they are called . the welsh.
and as for old geezer?? how far do we want to go back ?? should we hate the normans??,for their extermination of the englisc??why berate the british history??
NoMorePlease
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12:04am Fri 31 Aug 12
piaggio1 wrote:Not so proud of being British that you can hardly write the language properly. Knuckle dragging on the ground does cause that
There is no such thing as indiginous British!”???? er, yes there is pal. they are called . the welsh. and as for old geezer?? how far do we want to go back ?? should we hate the normans??,for their extermination of the englisc??why berate the british history??
Chrido81
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12:15pm Fri 31 Aug 12
piaggio1 wrote:Piaggio, you are hugely missing the point. The point I made, and I made this quite clearly is that no-one who calls themselves indigenous British truly are. Otherwise they'd still be living in tribes, throwing spears at invaders. We already live in a society which integrates the English, Welsh, Scots etc, so why not for people further afield? We are citizens of the world my friend, and this nation just happens to be our home.
There is no such thing as indiginous British!”???? er, yes there is pal. they are called . the welsh. and as for old geezer?? how far do we want to go back ?? should we hate the normans??,for their extermination of the englisc??why berate the british history??
R'Marcus
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4:18pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Caecilius wrote:Just read my comments carefully.
R'Marcus wrote:Of course, the UK DID take over Nigeria, and acquired great swathes of Africa by violence in the 19th Century.
old_geezer wrote: Capt S: although two wrongs don't make a right, far from integrating, our colonising forebears usually operated a colour bar, with all the humiliations that involved for "the natives" in their own countries. Now, let's keep the doors open and not play the blame game.Talking about forebears: do you know that the Muslims spread fro Mecca and took over northern Africa by violence in the 15th . Read the history by Ben Tuta and the violent take-over of Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, to name a few. Their are still trying to take over Nigeria as I write!
Very few, if any, white colonisers attend services in York Minster these days. Quite likely very few, if any, Islamic expansionists will be attending servies in the new mosque.
The Moslems DID take over millions square miles of northern Africa, and stayed there. They are still trying to take over the Christian parts of Africa:witness the events in Nigeria.
capt spaulding
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12:37pm Sat 1 Sep 12
R'Marcus wrote:I simply do not want parts of our lovely city being turned into replicas of downtown Karachi, similar to what has happened in Leeds Birmingham Luton and the rest.
capt spaulding wrote:"Integration" and "Muslims" are misnomers.
I am willing to integrate with the Muslim community as much as they are willing to integrate with me and the rest of the population of York.
Examples of the enthusiastic integration of the Muslim communities in other cities make it very obvious to all that the chances of this happening are remote.
The Muslims do not want integration: they want their own country: ours!
So whats racist about that ?
piaggio1
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11:15pm Sat 1 Sep 12
erm , yes i am ,but first i am englisc ( saxhund, saxon), followed by being called engerland, then the english.
So whats racist about that ?
becouse we are english,and thats what some people hate us for
NoMorePlease
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12:41am Sun 2 Sep 12
piaggio1 wrote:saxhund. engeland -
Not so proud of being British??
erm , yes i am ,but first i am englisc ( saxhund, saxon), followed by being called engerland, then the english.
So whats racist about that ?
becouse we are english,and thats what some people hate us for
I bet you raise your right arm very high and heil people.
Once again - if you are proud of being British why do you not bother to use our language properly - knuckle dragger
Kalpana.Boodhoo
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5:45pm Tue 18 Sep 12
It’s for a possible feature we’re working on. If you’re interested in taking part, please email me at kalpana.boodhoo@bbc.
co.uk
old_geezer says...
8:26am Thu 30 Aug 12
(Just thought I'd get that in first after all the negative posts on a previous news item. Posted by a Anglo-Saxon atheist)