Beryl Hall, 81, knocked down by cyclist in Moss Street, York

Beryl Hall, 81, who was knocked over by a cyclist who mounted the pavement

Beryl Hall, 81, who was knocked over by a cyclist who mounted the pavement

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , richard.catton@thepress.co.uk

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like “a bat out of Hell”.

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but then rode away without apologising, she said.

Beryl, a recovering lung cancer patient, was out walking with a friend on Monday evening and had just stepped from an alleyway on to Moss Street, near her Bishophill home, when the cyclist hit her, knocking her to the pavement.

Mrs Hall, who completed a section of the Jane Tomlinson York 10K Run the day before the incident, said: “A friend and I had been for a walk to Knavesmire because we like to keep fit.

“We were just coming out of an alleyway and a cyclist came like a bat out of Hell along the pavement and knocked me flying. I never saw him at all. One minute I was walking along, the next I’m on the floor.

“I had never seen so much blood in my life and it was all coming from my head.”

Because of the blood in her eyes Mrs Hall said she never got to see the cyclist, but her friend said he stopped to ask if she was hurt and tried to help her up but rode away shortly after, without apologising.

An ambulance was called by passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco delivery van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital suffering two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the head, which needed to be glued back together.

“The girl from Tesco could have saved my life with that bandage,” she said.

“I am very grateful to her.”

Mrs Hall said she was currently waiting for a letter from her doctors on the results of a CT scan following cancer treatment.

“I am trying to live life to the full at the moment and then this happens,” she said.

“I would like to know if he had a granny and how he would feel if this happened to her.

“I think people who cycle on pavements like this should be named and shamed and have their bikes confiscated.” Yorkshire Ambulance Service confirmed it had been called to the scene and had taken a patient to York Hospital.

The cyclist is described as being in his early twenties.

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9:52am Wed 8 Aug 12

monkeyhanger says...

“We were just coming out of an alleyway and a cyclist came like a bat out of Hell along the pavement.
He will be gone now the morning has come.
“We were just coming out of an alleyway and a cyclist came like a bat out of Hell along the pavement. He will be gone now the morning has come. monkeyhanger
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9:54am Wed 8 Aug 12

dodgydavereturns says...

Oh, they are so vunerable, these cyclists! How bad a deal they have....
That's all we hear from the likes of peddling paul!

The poor woman, I hope they get the little s**t who did this.
If this was a car driver, they would have a licence plate so we could trace them, they would have had to have stopped, otherwise it would be an offence & (although it doesn't make this poor lady better) they would have had to have had insurance.

This is the sort of reason that cyclists are the bain of York.

I hope you get well soon Beryl, you didn't get to such a wonderful age to end up with something like this.
Oh, they are so vunerable, these cyclists! How bad a deal they have.... That's all we hear from the likes of peddling paul! The poor woman, I hope they get the little s**t who did this. If this was a car driver, they would have a licence plate so we could trace them, they would have had to have stopped, otherwise it would be an offence & (although it doesn't make this poor lady better) they would have had to have had insurance. This is the sort of reason that cyclists are the bain of York. I hope you get well soon Beryl, you didn't get to such a wonderful age to end up with something like this. dodgydavereturns
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10:11am Wed 8 Aug 12

Tom6187 says...

How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.
How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories. Tom6187
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10:20am Wed 8 Aug 12

Boadicea says...

Cyclists think they have priority on footpaths and pedestriations should "get out of their way". they (the cyclists) should be banned from pavements as they were at one time. It shoiuld be illegal to cycle on footpaths.
Cyclists think they have priority on footpaths and pedestriations should "get out of their way". they (the cyclists) should be banned from pavements as they were at one time. It shoiuld be illegal to cycle on footpaths. Boadicea
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10:21am Wed 8 Aug 12

MrsHoney says...

I think cyclists should be prosecuted for riding on the pavement. Nevermind if they think it's too dangerous to go on the road - tough!! I've seen young blokes racing along pavements loads of times. And then they look at you like you're the one in the way!
I think cyclists should be prosecuted for riding on the pavement. Nevermind if they think it's too dangerous to go on the road - tough!! I've seen young blokes racing along pavements loads of times. And then they look at you like you're the one in the way! MrsHoney
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10:25am Wed 8 Aug 12

dodgydavereturns says...

Boadicea wrote:
Cyclists think they have priority on footpaths and pedestriations should "get out of their way". they (the cyclists) should be banned from pavements as they were at one time. It shoiuld be illegal to cycle on footpaths.
It is illegal to cycle on footpaths....I think the clue is in the words foot & path!

They are just ignorant to the fact that they are supposed to ride on the road.

If this was a car, it would be taken off the driver and crushed! We should do the same to the bikes!
...and the spineless, abhorant, gutless and ignorant little s**t that did this....
I would love to find out who he is, I bet he would never do this again!
[quote][p][bold]Boadicea[/bold] wrote: Cyclists think they have priority on footpaths and pedestriations should "get out of their way". they (the cyclists) should be banned from pavements as they were at one time. It shoiuld be illegal to cycle on footpaths.[/p][/quote]It is illegal to cycle on footpaths....I think the clue is in the words foot & path! They are just ignorant to the fact that they are supposed to ride on the road. If this was a car, it would be taken off the driver and crushed! We should do the same to the bikes! ...and the spineless, abhorant, gutless and ignorant little s**t that did this.... I would love to find out who he is, I bet he would never do this again! dodgydavereturns
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10:26am Wed 8 Aug 12

Mr Udigawa says...

Hope you recover quickly Mrs Hall. The muppet who did this is the type of person who doesn't give a monkeys about anyone else as long as he's ok, regardless of how he gets around.
Hope you recover quickly Mrs Hall. The muppet who did this is the type of person who doesn't give a monkeys about anyone else as long as he's ok, regardless of how he gets around. Mr Udigawa
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10:34am Wed 8 Aug 12

rogue84 says...

only problem is, the police only ever crackdown on cyclists by standing on clifton green in full visibility clothes, giving any bikers breaking the law about 5 minutes to see them and go back onto the road!
same old story with the constabulary i'm afraid. must try harder.
only problem is, the police only ever crackdown on cyclists by standing on clifton green in full visibility clothes, giving any bikers breaking the law about 5 minutes to see them and go back onto the road! same old story with the constabulary i'm afraid. must try harder. rogue84
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10:36am Wed 8 Aug 12

The Grim Reaper says...

So very sorry to hear about this, hope you make a speedy recovery Mrs Hall.

It's about time cyclists were treated as other road users are. Road Tax, minimum insurance requirement and road worthiness certificate of the "vehicle".
The full weight of the law should come down on them as it would upon me if I broke the law. If I am a useless driver I am banned off the roads (eventually).
Goody Two Pedals - try and justify NOT having any of the above - if you dare!!!!
So very sorry to hear about this, hope you make a speedy recovery Mrs Hall. It's about time cyclists were treated as other road users are. Road Tax, minimum insurance requirement and road worthiness certificate of the "vehicle". The full weight of the law should come down on them as it would upon me if I broke the law. If I am a useless driver I am banned off the roads (eventually). Goody Two Pedals - try and justify NOT having any of the above - if you dare!!!! The Grim Reaper
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10:45am Wed 8 Aug 12

Bigwood says...

Here we go again with the ''cyclist'' bashing! The man in question is obviously an idiot, be that riding a bike, driving a car, or anything else.
People spout so much narrow minded tripe on here its unreal.
Best wishes to Mrs Hall and lets hope the guy in question is caught and prosecuted.
Here we go again with the ''cyclist'' bashing! The man in question is obviously an idiot, be that riding a bike, driving a car, or anything else. People spout so much narrow minded tripe on here its unreal. Best wishes to Mrs Hall and lets hope the guy in question is caught and prosecuted. Bigwood
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10:48am Wed 8 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

Get well soon Beryl. I hope you're assailant is found soon.

As to everybody else - give it a rest. It's not the time or place really. All that matters is the person who did this is found. As Mr. Udigawa pointed out, people who do this type of thing don't care, and it doesn't matter if they were on a bike, on their feet or in a car, the outcome would be the same - they would run off like the cowards that they are.

If you want to use this article to say that all cylists are law breakers and don't respect this that and the other, then lets look at these articles:
http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/9859972.
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http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/9854312.
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so if we apply the same sweeping generalisation then all car drivers are murders and maimists yet you don't see those comments on do you? Funny that. Also worth noting that statiscally speaking more pedestrains are injured and killed everywhere whilst walking on the pavement due to cars. Go figure.
Get well soon Beryl. I hope you're assailant is found soon. As to everybody else - give it a rest. It's not the time or place really. All that matters is the person who did this is found. As Mr. Udigawa pointed out, people who do this type of thing don't care, and it doesn't matter if they were on a bike, on their feet or in a car, the outcome would be the same - they would run off like the cowards that they are. If you want to use this article to say that all cylists are law breakers and don't respect this that and the other, then lets look at these articles: http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9859972. A19_crash_man_fights _for_life/ http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9854312. Death_crash_teenager _is_named/ http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/eastyork shire/9850030.Motorc yclist_killed_in_Eas t_Yorkshire_crash_na med_as_Philip_Cleary / so if we apply the same sweeping generalisation then all car drivers are murders and maimists yet you don't see those comments on do you? Funny that. Also worth noting that statiscally speaking more pedestrains are injured and killed everywhere whilst walking on the pavement due to cars. Go figure. yorkboy60
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10:48am Wed 8 Aug 12

The Grim Reaper says...

I had a real shock yesterday - a cyclist actually stopped at a red light and waited for the green light. Thought I was dreaming.
I had a real shock yesterday - a cyclist actually stopped at a red light and waited for the green light. Thought I was dreaming. The Grim Reaper
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10:56am Wed 8 Aug 12

chunkyyorkie says...

Come on now let’s be fair it’s the person not the type of transport. The villain here isn’t ‘all cyclists’ its ‘all morons’.

As a car driver, motorcyclist and someone who cycles to get to work everyday, I’ll say bikes are not ‘the bain of York’. A large majority of cyclist behave responsibly and in accordance with the Highway Code. The idiot who did this to the poor lady will have the same disregard for human beings if he were in a car or on foot. It’s the mentality of the individual I’m afraid. If this person also drives a car then yes I agree it would have number plates but the car could be stolen and have no licence, insurance – it’s just a fact that some type of people’s attitude and sense of right or wrong is not the same as that of the majority of decent society.
I’m not here to defend all bike riders, I see every day some who jump traffic lights and ride on footpaths and I know pedestrians will come off worse against a bike – but I also see every day many times just how risky and dangerous it can be on a bike and how close cars and buses pass by cyclist and just how vulnerable bikes are too against anything else. And to keep things in perspective, examples of cars and buses driving badly speeding, jumping red lights etc etc also go on everyday and nothing is ever done. For some reason there are many cities around the world where all types of transport operate far more harmoniously together than York.
It’s also worth thinking how bad traffic would be in York if everyone left their bikes at home and jumped in the car, it would be a nightmare! It’s horrible what happened and hope Beryl gets well soon and well done to the decent passers-by who did the right thing by her.
Come on now let’s be fair it’s the person not the type of transport. The villain here isn’t ‘all cyclists’ its ‘all morons’. As a car driver, motorcyclist and someone who cycles to get to work everyday, I’ll say bikes are not ‘the bain of York’. A large majority of cyclist behave responsibly and in accordance with the Highway Code. The idiot who did this to the poor lady will have the same disregard for human beings if he were in a car or on foot. It’s the mentality of the individual I’m afraid. If this person also drives a car then yes I agree it would have number plates but the car could be stolen and have no licence, insurance – it’s just a fact that some type of people’s attitude and sense of right or wrong is not the same as that of the majority of decent society. I’m not here to defend all bike riders, I see every day some who jump traffic lights and ride on footpaths and I know pedestrians will come off worse against a bike – but I also see every day many times just how risky and dangerous it can be on a bike and how close cars and buses pass by cyclist and just how vulnerable bikes are too against anything else. And to keep things in perspective, examples of cars and buses driving badly speeding, jumping red lights etc etc also go on everyday and nothing is ever done. For some reason there are many cities around the world where all types of transport operate far more harmoniously together than York. It’s also worth thinking how bad traffic would be in York if everyone left their bikes at home and jumped in the car, it would be a nightmare! It’s horrible what happened and hope Beryl gets well soon and well done to the decent passers-by who did the right thing by her. chunkyyorkie
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11:03am Wed 8 Aug 12

JoeR says...

imho, the point is that cyclists should keep to their cycle lanes or on the road. Riding on footpaths isn't OK, and "mixed use" isn't OK. It isn't safe for pedestrians. The council have just proposed a major expansion of cycling in the city centre (the new Cycling Map) - including new "mixed use".
This is crazy, we need to keep the city centre safe for pedestrians.
imho, the point is that cyclists should keep to their cycle lanes or on the road. Riding on footpaths isn't OK, and "mixed use" isn't OK. It isn't safe for pedestrians. The council have just proposed a major expansion of cycling in the city centre (the new Cycling Map) - including new "mixed use". This is crazy, we need to keep the city centre safe for pedestrians. JoeR
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11:28am Wed 8 Aug 12

lis0r says...

Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.
Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here. lis0r
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11:35am Wed 8 Aug 12

akuma says...

If this was a car there'd be a much bigger deal made about it, but as it is cyclists are just about unaccountable for there actions but can clearly do just as much harm.

I'm only surprised PP hasn't appeared to defend bikes and somehow say it was a car drivers fault!
If this was a car there'd be a much bigger deal made about it, but as it is cyclists are just about unaccountable for there actions but can clearly do just as much harm. I'm only surprised PP hasn't appeared to defend bikes and somehow say it was a car drivers fault! akuma
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11:36am Wed 8 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

lis0r wrote:
Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.
where on the continent do they have registration plates and insurance?
[quote][p][bold]lis0r[/bold] wrote: Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.[/p][/quote]where on the continent do they have registration plates and insurance? yorkboy60
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11:38am Wed 8 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

akuma wrote:
If this was a car there'd be a much bigger deal made about it, but as it is cyclists are just about unaccountable for there actions but can clearly do just as much harm.

I'm only surprised PP hasn't appeared to defend bikes and somehow say it was a car drivers fault!
no it wouldn't - car accidents have comments closed. The press are clearly trying to get people to have a go as per usual.

Nobody is defending what the perpatrotor here did, so not really sure what you are getting at?
[quote][p][bold]akuma[/bold] wrote: If this was a car there'd be a much bigger deal made about it, but as it is cyclists are just about unaccountable for there actions but can clearly do just as much harm. I'm only surprised PP hasn't appeared to defend bikes and somehow say it was a car drivers fault![/p][/quote]no it wouldn't - car accidents have comments closed. The press are clearly trying to get people to have a go as per usual. Nobody is defending what the perpatrotor here did, so not really sure what you are getting at? yorkboy60
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11:38am Wed 8 Aug 12

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

JoeR wrote:
imho, the point is that cyclists should keep to their cycle lanes or on the road. Riding on footpaths isn't OK, and "mixed use" isn't OK. It isn't safe for pedestrians. The council have just proposed a major expansion of cycling in the city centre (the new Cycling Map) - including new "mixed use".
This is crazy, we need to keep the city centre safe for pedestrians.
Perhaps JoeR and those with similar opinions would like to add their views to the latest CYC online consultations.
City Center Foot-streets Traffic Management Review - City of York Council .
( see http://www.york.gov.
uk/consultation/cons
ultation_Dtl.aspx?co
nsult_Id=386&status=
2&criteria=I).
When you register with the City Council Consultation page you should get prior notice of those topics that interest you.Whether they pay any attention to your or my views is another matter
[quote][p][bold]JoeR[/bold] wrote: imho, the point is that cyclists should keep to their cycle lanes or on the road. Riding on footpaths isn't OK, and "mixed use" isn't OK. It isn't safe for pedestrians. The council have just proposed a major expansion of cycling in the city centre (the new Cycling Map) - including new "mixed use". This is crazy, we need to keep the city centre safe for pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Perhaps JoeR and those with similar opinions would like to add their views to the latest CYC online consultations. City Center Foot-streets Traffic Management Review - City of York Council . ( see http://www.york.gov. uk/consultation/cons ultation_Dtl.aspx?co nsult_Id=386&status= 2&criteria=I). When you register with the City Council Consultation page you should get prior notice of those topics that interest you.Whether they pay any attention to your or my views is another matter Older Sometimes Wiser
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11:39am Wed 8 Aug 12

desmond tiblets says...

Tom6187 wrote:
How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.
these type of people are the respectless chav yob the labour party created
[quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.[/p][/quote]these type of people are the respectless chav yob the labour party created desmond tiblets
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11:51am Wed 8 Aug 12

roskoboskovic says...

yes it is the point yorkboy.get d agorne and merritt on here to defend the indefensible.you can t keep them out of the paper when they re after another cycle path or the like but this incident is more typical of cyclists in york.i was going to start photographing cyclists breaking the law on a typical day in york but i got fed up with taking the camera out of my pocket and i was in danger of filling the memory card.
yes it is the point yorkboy.get d agorne and merritt on here to defend the indefensible.you can t keep them out of the paper when they re after another cycle path or the like but this incident is more typical of cyclists in york.i was going to start photographing cyclists breaking the law on a typical day in york but i got fed up with taking the camera out of my pocket and i was in danger of filling the memory card. roskoboskovic
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11:52am Wed 8 Aug 12

YSTClinguist says...

Do not think that good cyclists are going to defend the bad cyclists here. There is a goal to ensure that cycling is accepted in our city, but I do not feel that we should in any way excuse the bad cyclists just to achieve that goal, particularly where incidents like this happen (thankfully rare)

If the police want to step in then they might do well to invest some time talking to the good cyclists for targeting information to carry out a cost effective campaign with the aim of reducing bad cycling in York.

A campaign placing foot/cycle officers on known commuting flashpoints will address that area, but targeting non-commuters, such as in this incident, will be far more difficult.
Do not think that good cyclists are going to defend the bad cyclists here. There is a goal to ensure that cycling is accepted in our city, but I do not feel that we should in any way excuse the bad cyclists just to achieve that goal, particularly where incidents like this happen (thankfully rare) If the police want to step in then they might do well to invest some time talking to the good cyclists for targeting information to carry out a cost effective campaign with the aim of reducing bad cycling in York. A campaign placing foot/cycle officers on known commuting flashpoints will address that area, but targeting non-commuters, such as in this incident, will be far more difficult. YSTClinguist
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11:54am Wed 8 Aug 12

rockin33 says...

This is an Assault occasioning Actual Bodily Harm, what are the police actually doing? has CCTV been checked, and do not forget that there is also the additional charge of cycling on the pavement to be brought too.

Get well soon Mrs Hall.
This is an Assault occasioning Actual Bodily Harm, what are the police actually doing? has CCTV been checked, and do not forget that there is also the additional charge of cycling on the pavement to be brought too. Get well soon Mrs Hall. rockin33
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11:55am Wed 8 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
yes it is the point yorkboy.get d agorne and merritt on here to defend the indefensible.you can t keep them out of the paper when they re after another cycle path or the like but this incident is more typical of cyclists in york.i was going to start photographing cyclists breaking the law on a typical day in york but i got fed up with taking the camera out of my pocket and i was in danger of filling the memory card.
what is the point? Sorry, I couldn't understand your post. Nobody is defending what the guy on the bike did. Nobody.

What's being defended is the usual sweeping statements that all cyclists break laws and are bad. As I said, if that's the case, all car drivers are murderers given the amount of stories about people dying on the roads.

Personally I beleive neither but that's because I have enough nouce to know that not all car drivers do so dangerously, and the same for cyclists. Some people appear to have a block in their thought process which stops them from doing this.
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: yes it is the point yorkboy.get d agorne and merritt on here to defend the indefensible.you can t keep them out of the paper when they re after another cycle path or the like but this incident is more typical of cyclists in york.i was going to start photographing cyclists breaking the law on a typical day in york but i got fed up with taking the camera out of my pocket and i was in danger of filling the memory card.[/p][/quote]what is the point? Sorry, I couldn't understand your post. Nobody is defending what the guy on the bike did. Nobody. What's being defended is the usual sweeping statements that all cyclists break laws and are bad. As I said, if that's the case, all car drivers are murderers given the amount of stories about people dying on the roads. Personally I beleive neither but that's because I have enough nouce to know that not all car drivers do so dangerously, and the same for cyclists. Some people appear to have a block in their thought process which stops them from doing this. yorkboy60
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11:56am Wed 8 Aug 12

again says...

My sympathy to the victim of this incident. I hope the police catch him and he learns the error of his ways.
My sympathy to the victim of this incident. I hope the police catch him and he learns the error of his ways. again
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12:01pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Hollywood Star says...

My first thoughts are with this poor lady and i hope she makes a speedy recovery.
As far slating cyclists, well this is just 1 mindless idiot whom i hope is caught quickly and punished accordingly !!
It's like anything, you get idiots on bikes aswell as perfectly sensible and law abiding cyclists. This goes for motorists too. Please don't tar all with the same brush !!
Regarding cycling on the pavement, when my son was first beginning to ride his bike on busier roads, i used to allow him to cycle on certain footpaths alongside me on the road and i had taught him to be sensible when approaching pedestrians and he used to stop and/or get off his bike whilst waiting for them to pass. This used to work well until a policeman or pcso stopped us one day and reprimanded him and myself for allowing him to cycle on the path !! Please note, i only allowed him to do this at particularly busy roads and junctions whilst slowly introducing him to them. Surely you have to learn somewhere ??
I would like to conclude by sending my best wishes to Mrs. Hall and hopes that she makes a full recovery.
My first thoughts are with this poor lady and i hope she makes a speedy recovery. As far slating cyclists, well this is just 1 mindless idiot whom i hope is caught quickly and punished accordingly !! It's like anything, you get idiots on bikes aswell as perfectly sensible and law abiding cyclists. This goes for motorists too. Please don't tar all with the same brush !! Regarding cycling on the pavement, when my son was first beginning to ride his bike on busier roads, i used to allow him to cycle on certain footpaths alongside me on the road and i had taught him to be sensible when approaching pedestrians and he used to stop and/or get off his bike whilst waiting for them to pass. This used to work well until a policeman or pcso stopped us one day and reprimanded him and myself for allowing him to cycle on the path !! Please note, i only allowed him to do this at particularly busy roads and junctions whilst slowly introducing him to them. Surely you have to learn somewhere ?? I would like to conclude by sending my best wishes to Mrs. Hall and hopes that she makes a full recovery. Hollywood Star
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12:03pm Wed 8 Aug 12

rockstoff says...

Registering cyclists would be like registering anyone who ever bought a knife. Just because you can harm someone with it doesn't mean you will.
Registering cyclists would be like registering anyone who ever bought a knife. Just because you can harm someone with it doesn't mean you will. rockstoff
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12:06pm Wed 8 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

desmond tiblets wrote:
Tom6187 wrote: How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.
these type of people are the respectless chav yob the labour party created
Exactly ... Early 20's probs in a track suit on a stOlen bike! No doubt a product of the last labour government! As to ALL cyclists been banned am sick to death of reading rubbish comments like this! I ride a bike everyday to work , have done since the 70's , one of the many hundreds who used to bike to the carriageworks on holgate road! And still one of the remaining railway workers in the city who still cycle! I don't ride on the path and I don't know anybody who does! I pay road tax for my car so should be allowed to use the road on a bike when not congesting our overly congested roads !
So if we are blaming political parties , look no further than huge bayleaf modern day York with huge amounts of chav on benefits is his creation
[quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.[/p][/quote]these type of people are the respectless chav yob the labour party created[/p][/quote]Exactly ... Early 20's probs in a track suit on a stOlen bike! No doubt a product of the last labour government! As to ALL cyclists been banned am sick to death of reading rubbish comments like this! I ride a bike everyday to work , have done since the 70's , one of the many hundreds who used to bike to the carriageworks on holgate road! And still one of the remaining railway workers in the city who still cycle! I don't ride on the path and I don't know anybody who does! I pay road tax for my car so should be allowed to use the road on a bike when not congesting our overly congested roads ! So if we are blaming political parties , look no further than huge bayleaf modern day York with huge amounts of chav on benefits is his creation oi oi savaloy
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12:18pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Chrido81 says...

Just two weeks ago is saw a little girl, who must have been only 2 years old, completely bowled over by a someone jogging on the pavement. The poor child could have been seriously hurt.

By using some of the logic in use by some commenters here, should pedestrians be banned, or at the very least, taxed and insured?
Just two weeks ago is saw a little girl, who must have been only 2 years old, completely bowled over by a someone jogging on the pavement. The poor child could have been seriously hurt. By using some of the logic in use by some commenters here, should pedestrians be banned, or at the very least, taxed and insured? Chrido81
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12:18pm Wed 8 Aug 12

sharpy296 says...

Clearly the repribate that did this needs to be held to account, it is not good enough and shows the worst of the cycling community.

Around York there are few places where it is dangerous to be on the road, generally road users are polite to each other certainly I have never felt the need to cycle on the pavement. However shared cycle paths are a nightmare for both cyclists and pedestirans.

I hope that Mrs Hall has a swift recovery.

To the note that is always made about "Road Tax", this does not exsist Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) is what you now pay and please explain to me how does it work for the cars that no longer have to pay VED? This argument is even less valid that it has ever been now.
Clearly the repribate that did this needs to be held to account, it is not good enough and shows the worst of the cycling community. Around York there are few places where it is dangerous to be on the road, generally road users are polite to each other certainly I have never felt the need to cycle on the pavement. However shared cycle paths are a nightmare for both cyclists and pedestirans. I hope that Mrs Hall has a swift recovery. To the note that is always made about "Road Tax", this does not exsist Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) is what you now pay and please explain to me how does it work for the cars that no longer have to pay VED? This argument is even less valid that it has ever been now. sharpy296
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12:28pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Boadicea says...

dodgydavereturns wrote:
Boadicea wrote:
Cyclists think they have priority on footpaths and pedestriations should "get out of their way". they (the cyclists) should be banned from pavements as they were at one time. It shoiuld be illegal to cycle on footpaths.
It is illegal to cycle on footpaths....I think the clue is in the words foot & path!

They are just ignorant to the fact that they are supposed to ride on the road.

If this was a car, it would be taken off the driver and crushed! We should do the same to the bikes!
...and the spineless, abhorant, gutless and ignorant little s**t that did this....
I would love to find out who he is, I bet he would never do this again!
I know it is illegal to cycle on pavements and I agree with what dodgydavereturns says but they still do it and usually they aren't stopped.
[quote][p][bold]dodgydavereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boadicea[/bold] wrote: Cyclists think they have priority on footpaths and pedestriations should "get out of their way". they (the cyclists) should be banned from pavements as they were at one time. It shoiuld be illegal to cycle on footpaths.[/p][/quote]It is illegal to cycle on footpaths....I think the clue is in the words foot & path! They are just ignorant to the fact that they are supposed to ride on the road. If this was a car, it would be taken off the driver and crushed! We should do the same to the bikes! ...and the spineless, abhorant, gutless and ignorant little s**t that did this.... I would love to find out who he is, I bet he would never do this again![/p][/quote]I know it is illegal to cycle on pavements and I agree with what dodgydavereturns says but they still do it and usually they aren't stopped. Boadicea
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12:29pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Von_Dutch says...

The usual trolls out again today i see... Just don't feed them.

Some of us (as has already been said) have an IQ greater than an Amoeba, so don't jump to mass generalisations.

I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open. Because they just love to stir things up. Unfortunately the trolls are too thick to realise this and feed this further...
The usual trolls out again today i see... Just don't feed them. Some of us (as has already been said) have an IQ greater than an Amoeba, so don't jump to mass generalisations. I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open. Because they just love to stir things up. Unfortunately the trolls are too thick to realise this and feed this further... Von_Dutch
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12:32pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Bigwood says...

Von_Dutch wrote:
The usual trolls out again today i see... Just don't feed them.

Some of us (as has already been said) have an IQ greater than an Amoeba, so don't jump to mass generalisations.

I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open. Because they just love to stir things up. Unfortunately the trolls are too thick to realise this and feed this further...
Agree totally Von Dutch. Looks like ''SpiritofYork'' has finally been banned, all his comments have disappeared from this story! The amount of drivel posted should significantly decrease for the time being. Hurrah!
[quote][p][bold]Von_Dutch[/bold] wrote: The usual trolls out again today i see... Just don't feed them. Some of us (as has already been said) have an IQ greater than an Amoeba, so don't jump to mass generalisations. I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open. Because they just love to stir things up. Unfortunately the trolls are too thick to realise this and feed this further...[/p][/quote]Agree totally Von Dutch. Looks like ''SpiritofYork'' has finally been banned, all his comments have disappeared from this story! The amount of drivel posted should significantly decrease for the time being. Hurrah! Bigwood
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12:39pm Wed 8 Aug 12

redchick says...

How awful for this poor lady that some mindless yob had done this...yes, that's it a mindless yob...not just because he is a cyclist because, believe it of not, some of us cyclist do stick to the highway code. I'm so sick of people constantly banging on about the cyclists in York and presuming that we are all the same ignorant road users! Ignorant people are ignorant regardless as to whether they are on a bicyle or not. Have you any idea how many times I have had to ring my bell because there is a pedestrian stood on the cycle part of a footpath (it's easy to tell which one this is...there's a bike painted on the path) only to be abused because I happen to be on a bike. A bike on a cycle path...who would have thought it?!!!
How awful for this poor lady that some mindless yob had done this...yes, that's it a mindless yob...not just because he is a cyclist because, believe it of not, some of us cyclist do stick to the highway code. I'm so sick of people constantly banging on about the cyclists in York and presuming that we are all the same ignorant road users! Ignorant people are ignorant regardless as to whether they are on a bicyle or not. Have you any idea how many times I have had to ring my bell because there is a pedestrian stood on the cycle part of a footpath (it's easy to tell which one this is...there's a bike painted on the path) only to be abused because I happen to be on a bike. A bike on a cycle path...who would have thought it?!!! redchick
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12:41pm Wed 8 Aug 12

lis0r says...

yorkboy60 wrote:
lis0r wrote:
Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.
where on the continent do they have registration plates and insurance?
They had them in Switzerland seemingly until earlier this year - sad to see them going backwards.
[quote][p][bold]yorkboy60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lis0r[/bold] wrote: Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.[/p][/quote]where on the continent do they have registration plates and insurance?[/p][/quote]They had them in Switzerland seemingly until earlier this year - sad to see them going backwards. lis0r
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12:44pm Wed 8 Aug 12

sharpy296 says...

Von_Dutch wrote:
The usual trolls out again today i see... Just don't feed them. Some of us (as has already been said) have an IQ greater than an Amoeba, so don't jump to mass generalisations. I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open. Because they just love to stir things up. Unfortunately the trolls are too thick to realise this and feed this further...
I am not surprised, I complained a few times as they used to do the same thing with motorcylists, fatal accident but comments were open? But it is never the case for car accidents. I struggle to understand the policy of the paper.
[quote][p][bold]Von_Dutch[/bold] wrote: The usual trolls out again today i see... Just don't feed them. Some of us (as has already been said) have an IQ greater than an Amoeba, so don't jump to mass generalisations. I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open. Because they just love to stir things up. Unfortunately the trolls are too thick to realise this and feed this further...[/p][/quote]I am not surprised, I complained a few times as they used to do the same thing with motorcylists, fatal accident but comments were open? But it is never the case for car accidents. I struggle to understand the policy of the paper. sharpy296
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12:46pm Wed 8 Aug 12

sharpy296 says...

lis0r wrote:
yorkboy60 wrote:
lis0r wrote: Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.
where on the continent do they have registration plates and insurance?
They had them in Switzerland seemingly until earlier this year - sad to see them going backwards.
It was hardly a "plate" it was a small sticker, not something you could note down in the event of a hit and run accident.
[quote][p][bold]lis0r[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkboy60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lis0r[/bold] wrote: Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.[/p][/quote]where on the continent do they have registration plates and insurance?[/p][/quote]They had them in Switzerland seemingly until earlier this year - sad to see them going backwards.[/p][/quote]It was hardly a "plate" it was a small sticker, not something you could note down in the event of a hit and run accident. sharpy296
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12:50pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Capt. Dobie says...

Poor Old lady. get well soon.

One individuals action here, not all cyclists.

Thumbs up to what redchick said.
Poor Old lady. get well soon. One individuals action here, not all cyclists. Thumbs up to what redchick said. Capt. Dobie
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1:05pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Yorkie-Clifton says...

Boadicea wrote:
Cyclists think they have priority on footpaths and pedestriations should "get out of their way". they (the cyclists) should be banned from pavements as they were at one time. It shoiuld be illegal to cycle on footpaths.
I have been saying this for months . Hope we get a statement from the Cyclist Press Officer ,regarding this incident . No doubt it will be along the lines as this Pensioner or Anyone should not walk on Pavements ,that is what the cycle tracks where built for . They are very safe as no one uses them . lol
[quote][p][bold]Boadicea[/bold] wrote: Cyclists think they have priority on footpaths and pedestriations should "get out of their way". they (the cyclists) should be banned from pavements as they were at one time. It shoiuld be illegal to cycle on footpaths.[/p][/quote]I have been saying this for months . Hope we get a statement from the Cyclist Press Officer ,regarding this incident . No doubt it will be along the lines as this Pensioner or Anyone should not walk on Pavements ,that is what the cycle tracks where built for . They are very safe as no one uses them . lol Yorkie-Clifton
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1:14pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Clickclick says...

dodgydavereturns wrote:
Oh, they are so vunerable, these cyclists! How bad a deal they have.... That's all we hear from the likes of peddling paul! The poor woman, I hope they get the little s**t who did this. If this was a car driver, they would have a licence plate so we could trace them, they would have had to have stopped, otherwise it would be an offence & (although it doesn't make this poor lady better) they would have had to have had insurance. This is the sort of reason that cyclists are the bain of York. I hope you get well soon Beryl, you didn't get to such a wonderful age to end up with something like this.
How on earth do you drive a car down a pavement? I'm sick of people spouting such rubbish vitriol whenever a story related to a cyclist comes up.

This is down to a pitiful excuse for a human being riding a bike where he shouldn't and then leaving an old lady layed bleeding on the floor. It shouldn't be used to tar everyone using that mode of transport with the same brush.

Poor woman, I hope she heals quickly and hope they catch the tool that did it.
[quote][p][bold]dodgydavereturns[/bold] wrote: Oh, they are so vunerable, these cyclists! How bad a deal they have.... That's all we hear from the likes of peddling paul! The poor woman, I hope they get the little s**t who did this. If this was a car driver, they would have a licence plate so we could trace them, they would have had to have stopped, otherwise it would be an offence & (although it doesn't make this poor lady better) they would have had to have had insurance. This is the sort of reason that cyclists are the bain of York. I hope you get well soon Beryl, you didn't get to such a wonderful age to end up with something like this.[/p][/quote]How on earth do you drive a car down a pavement? I'm sick of people spouting such rubbish vitriol whenever a story related to a cyclist comes up. This is down to a pitiful excuse for a human being riding a bike where he shouldn't and then leaving an old lady layed bleeding on the floor. It shouldn't be used to tar everyone using that mode of transport with the same brush. Poor woman, I hope she heals quickly and hope they catch the tool that did it. Clickclick
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1:24pm Wed 8 Aug 12

YSTClinguist says...

@Clickclick"How on earth do you drive a car down a pavement?"

I had to dive for safety when a van drove half onto the pavement, straight at me at speed, two days ago!

Anyone unfortunate enough to have to walk down Low Petersgate on a morning has to dodge the vehicles driving down the pavement due to delivery vehicles blocking the road.
@Clickclick"How on earth do you drive a car down a pavement?" I had to dive for safety when a van drove half onto the pavement, straight at me at speed, two days ago! Anyone unfortunate enough to have to walk down Low Petersgate on a morning has to dodge the vehicles driving down the pavement due to delivery vehicles blocking the road. YSTClinguist
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1:30pm Wed 8 Aug 12

NickPheas says...

Poor lady. I hope she recovers.

But... cycle hating trolls, do you not see that you contribute to this kind of thing? The constant moaning about cyclists when they do use the road, when they slow your approach to the next red light by as much as thirty seconds, the spurious references to Road Tax, all that kind of thing gives the impression that cycles shouldn't be on the roads.

Certainly whoever's done this should hang his head in shame. Certainly the police should pay a bit more attention to making sure everyone (including but not limited to cyclists) obey the laws. But giving impressionable divots the idea that they shouldn't be on the roads makes things worse.
Poor lady. I hope she recovers. But... cycle hating trolls, do you not see that you contribute to this kind of thing? The constant moaning about cyclists when they do use the road, when they slow your approach to the next red light by as much as thirty seconds, the spurious references to Road Tax, all that kind of thing gives the impression that cycles shouldn't be on the roads. Certainly whoever's done this should hang his head in shame. Certainly the police should pay a bit more attention to making sure everyone (including but not limited to cyclists) obey the laws. But giving impressionable divots the idea that they shouldn't be on the roads makes things worse. NickPheas
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1:32pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Pedro says...

Anybody who hits a pensioner and rides off deserves all is coming to them.
Anybody who hits a pensioner and rides off deserves all is coming to them. Pedro
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1:48pm Wed 8 Aug 12

North Wales Yorkie says...

Here we go again, one bad cyclist = all cyclists are bad.
Here we go again, one bad cyclist = all cyclists are bad. North Wales Yorkie
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1:55pm Wed 8 Aug 12

old_geezer says...

As several people have commented above, the guilty person is an idiot and a coward, and would just be a more lethal idiot behind the wheel of a car. Talking as if there are "cyclists" on the one hand and "decent law-abiding people" on the other is just silly.
As several people have commented above, the guilty person is an idiot and a coward, and would just be a more lethal idiot behind the wheel of a car. Talking as if there are "cyclists" on the one hand and "decent law-abiding people" on the other is just silly. old_geezer
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2:33pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Tom6187 says...

desmond tiblets wrote:
Tom6187 wrote:
How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.
these type of people are the respectless chav yob the labour party created
Not created by the Northern poverty that is the fault of Margaret Thatcher and her attack on the Northern working man? You're a typical Tory fool.
[quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.[/p][/quote]these type of people are the respectless chav yob the labour party created[/p][/quote]Not created by the Northern poverty that is the fault of Margaret Thatcher and her attack on the Northern working man? You're a typical Tory fool. Tom6187
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2:34pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

It's far from a one off, illegal and dangerous cycling on footpaths is not exactly unusual.
Need for protection?
11:36am Saturday 21st July 2012
By Reader's letter
With reference to letters this week about cyclists’ helmets, maybe pedestrians should also wear them.
While I was walking towards town on the footpath near the barracks on Fulford Road I decided to cross the road at the safety island, as the footpath is a dual cycle/footpath.
I glanced over my shoulder to check no cyclist was coming, and there was a youth cycling past me as if the hounds of hell were after him, no warning bell on his bike. I was fortunate, but a small child or elderly person may not have been.

A few points. The VEL argument is a dead duck due to zero rated so called clean cars, a very poor New Labour idea. Some of these cars such as hybrids carry an horrendous manufacturing energy cost which negates the whole idea.

However we do need cycle registration and number plates, because the inability to identify cyclists encourages a substantial number of them to ride on pavements, ignore traffic lights and cycle with illegal lights if any at all.
I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open.

This annoys me as well, but in relation to incidents involving cars invariably there is a possibility of legal proceedings because the drivers are known and the cars likely to be identified due to number plates. It might even be the case that the drivers have stopped as required by law, a concept difficult to grasp by many cyclists, complying with the law.

I note Hepworth and his doppelgänger(s) have gone to ground as usual on a story like this. Also that anyone expressing views that could be interpreted as anti cyclist is being called a troll.
It's far from a one off, illegal and dangerous cycling on footpaths is not exactly unusual. [quote]Need for protection? 11:36am Saturday 21st July 2012 By Reader's letter With reference to letters this week about cyclists’ helmets, maybe pedestrians should also wear them. While I was walking towards town on the footpath near the barracks on Fulford Road I decided to cross the road at the safety island, as the footpath is a dual cycle/footpath. I glanced over my shoulder to check no cyclist was coming, and there was a youth cycling past me as if the hounds of hell were after him, no warning bell on his bike. I was fortunate, but a small child or elderly person may not have been.[/quote] A few points. The VEL argument is a dead duck due to zero rated so called clean cars, a very poor New Labour idea. Some of these cars such as hybrids carry an horrendous manufacturing energy cost which negates the whole idea. However we do need cycle registration and number plates, because the inability to identify cyclists encourages a substantial number of them to ride on pavements, ignore traffic lights and cycle with illegal lights if any at all. [quote]I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open. [/quote] This annoys me as well, but in relation to incidents involving cars invariably there is a possibility of legal proceedings because the drivers are known and the cars likely to be identified due to number plates. It might even be the case that the drivers have stopped as required by law, a concept difficult to grasp by many cyclists, complying with the law. I note Hepworth and his doppelgänger(s) have gone to ground as usual on a story like this. Also that anyone expressing views that could be interpreted as anti cyclist is being called a troll. Sillybillies
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2:45pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Mr Udigawa says...

Sillybillies wrote:
It's far from a one off, illegal and dangerous cycling on footpaths is not exactly unusual.
Need for protection? 11:36am Saturday 21st July 2012 By Reader's letter With reference to letters this week about cyclists’ helmets, maybe pedestrians should also wear them. While I was walking towards town on the footpath near the barracks on Fulford Road I decided to cross the road at the safety island, as the footpath is a dual cycle/footpath. I glanced over my shoulder to check no cyclist was coming, and there was a youth cycling past me as if the hounds of hell were after him, no warning bell on his bike. I was fortunate, but a small child or elderly person may not have been.
A few points. The VEL argument is a dead duck due to zero rated so called clean cars, a very poor New Labour idea. Some of these cars such as hybrids carry an horrendous manufacturing energy cost which negates the whole idea. However we do need cycle registration and number plates, because the inability to identify cyclists encourages a substantial number of them to ride on pavements, ignore traffic lights and cycle with illegal lights if any at all.
I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open.
This annoys me as well, but in relation to incidents involving cars invariably there is a possibility of legal proceedings because the drivers are known and the cars likely to be identified due to number plates. It might even be the case that the drivers have stopped as required by law, a concept difficult to grasp by many cyclists, complying with the law. I note Hepworth and his doppelgänger(s) have gone to ground as usual on a story like this. Also that anyone expressing views that could be interpreted as anti cyclist is being called a troll.
Hi sb, no sweeping generalisations today then? oh wait....
Tbh I think PH is finally seeing sense and avoiding adding fuel to the fire that he's helped to create.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: It's far from a one off, illegal and dangerous cycling on footpaths is not exactly unusual. [quote]Need for protection? 11:36am Saturday 21st July 2012 By Reader's letter With reference to letters this week about cyclists’ helmets, maybe pedestrians should also wear them. While I was walking towards town on the footpath near the barracks on Fulford Road I decided to cross the road at the safety island, as the footpath is a dual cycle/footpath. I glanced over my shoulder to check no cyclist was coming, and there was a youth cycling past me as if the hounds of hell were after him, no warning bell on his bike. I was fortunate, but a small child or elderly person may not have been.[/quote] A few points. The VEL argument is a dead duck due to zero rated so called clean cars, a very poor New Labour idea. Some of these cars such as hybrids carry an horrendous manufacturing energy cost which negates the whole idea. However we do need cycle registration and number plates, because the inability to identify cyclists encourages a substantial number of them to ride on pavements, ignore traffic lights and cycle with illegal lights if any at all. [quote]I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open. [/quote] This annoys me as well, but in relation to incidents involving cars invariably there is a possibility of legal proceedings because the drivers are known and the cars likely to be identified due to number plates. It might even be the case that the drivers have stopped as required by law, a concept difficult to grasp by many cyclists, complying with the law. I note Hepworth and his doppelgänger(s) have gone to ground as usual on a story like this. Also that anyone expressing views that could be interpreted as anti cyclist is being called a troll.[/p][/quote]Hi sb, no sweeping generalisations today then? oh wait.... Tbh I think PH is finally seeing sense and avoiding adding fuel to the fire that he's helped to create. Mr Udigawa
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2:46pm Wed 8 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

Sillybillies wrote:
It's far from a one off, illegal and dangerous cycling on footpaths is not exactly unusual.
Need for protection?
11:36am Saturday 21st July 2012
By Reader's letter
With reference to letters this week about cyclists’ helmets, maybe pedestrians should also wear them.
While I was walking towards town on the footpath near the barracks on Fulford Road I decided to cross the road at the safety island, as the footpath is a dual cycle/footpath.
I glanced over my shoulder to check no cyclist was coming, and there was a youth cycling past me as if the hounds of hell were after him, no warning bell on his bike. I was fortunate, but a small child or elderly person may not have been.

A few points. The VEL argument is a dead duck due to zero rated so called clean cars, a very poor New Labour idea. Some of these cars such as hybrids carry an horrendous manufacturing energy cost which negates the whole idea.

However we do need cycle registration and number plates, because the inability to identify cyclists encourages a substantial number of them to ride on pavements, ignore traffic lights and cycle with illegal lights if any at all.
I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open.

This annoys me as well, but in relation to incidents involving cars invariably there is a possibility of legal proceedings because the drivers are known and the cars likely to be identified due to number plates. It might even be the case that the drivers have stopped as required by law, a concept difficult to grasp by many cyclists, complying with the law.

I note Hepworth and his doppelgänger(s) have gone to ground as usual on a story like this. Also that anyone expressing views that could be interpreted as anti cyclist is being called a troll.
you are aware about things like numberplate cloning and stolen cars are you not? It's not foolproof, and generally those commiting offences will be those in stolen cars or using cloned numberplates.

You say that people expressing views against cycling are called a troll, yet you then say things like cyclists have a difficult time reconising the law, and a substantial number of them ride of pavements - what do you expect? that's exactly what trolls do - spout inacurate information to get a rise.

as for the whole debate about cycles being registered etc... how do you propose this is funded? How do you propose this policed, and how do you propose the poilicing of this is funded? do you really want police time wasted on a handful of cyclists going through a red light? I know I would prefer more police on the beat stopping people for serious crimes. But I guess in your head, anybody getting on a bike is already commiting a serious crime.

So I guess last night you weren't cheering on sir chris hoy then?
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: It's far from a one off, illegal and dangerous cycling on footpaths is not exactly unusual. [quote]Need for protection? 11:36am Saturday 21st July 2012 By Reader's letter With reference to letters this week about cyclists’ helmets, maybe pedestrians should also wear them. While I was walking towards town on the footpath near the barracks on Fulford Road I decided to cross the road at the safety island, as the footpath is a dual cycle/footpath. I glanced over my shoulder to check no cyclist was coming, and there was a youth cycling past me as if the hounds of hell were after him, no warning bell on his bike. I was fortunate, but a small child or elderly person may not have been.[/quote] A few points. The VEL argument is a dead duck due to zero rated so called clean cars, a very poor New Labour idea. Some of these cars such as hybrids carry an horrendous manufacturing energy cost which negates the whole idea. However we do need cycle registration and number plates, because the inability to identify cyclists encourages a substantial number of them to ride on pavements, ignore traffic lights and cycle with illegal lights if any at all. [quote]I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open. [/quote] This annoys me as well, but in relation to incidents involving cars invariably there is a possibility of legal proceedings because the drivers are known and the cars likely to be identified due to number plates. It might even be the case that the drivers have stopped as required by law, a concept difficult to grasp by many cyclists, complying with the law. I note Hepworth and his doppelgänger(s) have gone to ground as usual on a story like this. Also that anyone expressing views that could be interpreted as anti cyclist is being called a troll.[/p][/quote]you are aware about things like numberplate cloning and stolen cars are you not? It's not foolproof, and generally those commiting offences will be those in stolen cars or using cloned numberplates. You say that people expressing views against cycling are called a troll, yet you then say things like cyclists have a difficult time reconising the law, and a substantial number of them ride of pavements - what do you expect? that's exactly what trolls do - spout inacurate information to get a rise. as for the whole debate about cycles being registered etc... how do you propose this is funded? How do you propose this policed, and how do you propose the poilicing of this is funded? do you really want police time wasted on a handful of cyclists going through a red light? I know I would prefer more police on the beat stopping people for serious crimes. But I guess in your head, anybody getting on a bike is already commiting a serious crime. So I guess last night you weren't cheering on sir chris hoy then? yorkboy60
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2:48pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Boadicea says...

I hope this lady recovers but it is just as important to do something positive to stop cycling on pavements. Maybe crushing their cycle might be a deterrent.
I hope this lady recovers but it is just as important to do something positive to stop cycling on pavements. Maybe crushing their cycle might be a deterrent. Boadicea
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2:52pm Wed 8 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

hmmm that's odd, the last two comments have been removed....
hmmm that's odd, the last two comments have been removed.... yorkboy60
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2:52pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Bigwood says...

Sillybillies wrote:
It's far from a one off, illegal and dangerous cycling on footpaths is not exactly unusual.
Need for protection?
11:36am Saturday 21st July 2012
By Reader's letter
With reference to letters this week about cyclists’ helmets, maybe pedestrians should also wear them.
While I was walking towards town on the footpath near the barracks on Fulford Road I decided to cross the road at the safety island, as the footpath is a dual cycle/footpath.
I glanced over my shoulder to check no cyclist was coming, and there was a youth cycling past me as if the hounds of hell were after him, no warning bell on his bike. I was fortunate, but a small child or elderly person may not have been.

A few points. The VEL argument is a dead duck due to zero rated so called clean cars, a very poor New Labour idea. Some of these cars such as hybrids carry an horrendous manufacturing energy cost which negates the whole idea.

However we do need cycle registration and number plates, because the inability to identify cyclists encourages a substantial number of them to ride on pavements, ignore traffic lights and cycle with illegal lights if any at all.
I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open.

This annoys me as well, but in relation to incidents involving cars invariably there is a possibility of legal proceedings because the drivers are known and the cars likely to be identified due to number plates. It might even be the case that the drivers have stopped as required by law, a concept difficult to grasp by many cyclists, complying with the law.

I note Hepworth and his doppelgänger(s) have gone to ground as usual on a story like this. Also that anyone expressing views that could be interpreted as anti cyclist is being called a troll.
Number plates and cycle regestration is a total non starter. The added cost and hassle would simply put people off cycling in the first place, plus it would be difficult to enforce and where would the money come from to administrate it at the government end.
As for the person who was branded a troll, he was making idiot statements about taking vigilante action against cyclists and by the looks of it his account has now being deleted, and rightly so.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: It's far from a one off, illegal and dangerous cycling on footpaths is not exactly unusual. [quote]Need for protection? 11:36am Saturday 21st July 2012 By Reader's letter With reference to letters this week about cyclists’ helmets, maybe pedestrians should also wear them. While I was walking towards town on the footpath near the barracks on Fulford Road I decided to cross the road at the safety island, as the footpath is a dual cycle/footpath. I glanced over my shoulder to check no cyclist was coming, and there was a youth cycling past me as if the hounds of hell were after him, no warning bell on his bike. I was fortunate, but a small child or elderly person may not have been.[/quote] A few points. The VEL argument is a dead duck due to zero rated so called clean cars, a very poor New Labour idea. Some of these cars such as hybrids carry an horrendous manufacturing energy cost which negates the whole idea. However we do need cycle registration and number plates, because the inability to identify cyclists encourages a substantial number of them to ride on pavements, ignore traffic lights and cycle with illegal lights if any at all. [quote]I find it truly pathetic that The Press do not allow comments on several news stories (including vehicle collisions etc), yet without fail if a cyclist is mentioned, you know for a fact the comments section will be open. [/quote] This annoys me as well, but in relation to incidents involving cars invariably there is a possibility of legal proceedings because the drivers are known and the cars likely to be identified due to number plates. It might even be the case that the drivers have stopped as required by law, a concept difficult to grasp by many cyclists, complying with the law. I note Hepworth and his doppelgänger(s) have gone to ground as usual on a story like this. Also that anyone expressing views that could be interpreted as anti cyclist is being called a troll.[/p][/quote]Number plates and cycle regestration is a total non starter. The added cost and hassle would simply put people off cycling in the first place, plus it would be difficult to enforce and where would the money come from to administrate it at the government end. As for the person who was branded a troll, he was making idiot statements about taking vigilante action against cyclists and by the looks of it his account has now being deleted, and rightly so. Bigwood
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2:52pm Wed 8 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

yorkboy60 wrote:
hmmm that's odd, the last two comments have been removed....
and now they are back again. I think I maybe be losing it...
[quote][p][bold]yorkboy60[/bold] wrote: hmmm that's odd, the last two comments have been removed....[/p][/quote]and now they are back again. I think I maybe be losing it... yorkboy60
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3:17pm Wed 8 Aug 12

lokifromyork says...

Sillybillies I don't think they have gone to ground I think they are all sitting around reading what every one is writing what they think they will be saying if they was going to comment!

There have been some great comments on here and I am in tears of laughter, you lot are so funny :-)

I hope Beryl is better soon.
Sillybillies I don't think they have gone to ground I think they are all sitting around reading what every one is writing what they think they will be saying if they was going to comment! There have been some great comments on here and I am in tears of laughter, you lot are so funny :-) I hope Beryl is better soon. lokifromyork
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3:17pm Wed 8 Aug 12

YUHatin? says...

Sounds awful for the lady; seems like the bloke deserves at least one hard punch in the face.

Also, I suspect that the Press quite enjoy loads of arguing about people riding bikes as it distracts people from noticing their p!sspoor journalistic standards...
Sounds awful for the lady; seems like the bloke deserves at least one hard punch in the face. Also, I suspect that the Press quite enjoy loads of arguing about people riding bikes as it distracts people from noticing their p!sspoor journalistic standards... YUHatin?
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3:20pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Pete the Brickie says...

Going by the fact the road is blocked to traffic on The Blossom Street end, yet the cyclist was still on the pavement, riding quickly would suggest someone who regularly uses the road as a shortcut. Evening would suggest not a commuter, so if I were the police and not a builder and I were interested at all in finding him I'd check the CCTV at the KFC, Chip shop and Sansburys.

Get well soon Mrs Hall and if the person who collided with her is reading this come forward and say sorry, you will find it is a short word which goes a long way, you will feel much better for it and you won't be waiting for the knock on the door which only ever happens on CSI and Frost I know and please ride more responsibly in future.
Going by the fact the road is blocked to traffic on The Blossom Street end, yet the cyclist was still on the pavement, riding quickly would suggest someone who regularly uses the road as a shortcut. Evening would suggest not a commuter, so if I were the police and not a builder and I were interested at all in finding him I'd check the CCTV at the KFC, Chip shop and Sansburys. Get well soon Mrs Hall and if the person who collided with her is reading this come forward and say sorry, you will find it is a short word which goes a long way, you will feel much better for it and you won't be waiting for the knock on the door which only ever happens on CSI and Frost I know and please ride more responsibly in future. Pete the Brickie
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4:11pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

you are aware about things like numberplate cloning and stolen cars are you not? It's not foolproof, and generally those commiting offences will be those in stolen cars or using cloned number plates.

Yes, but we still have number plates on cars., or should we let them off as well?
You say that people expressing views against cycling are called a troll, yet you then say things like cyclists have a difficult time reconising the law, and a substantial number of them ride of pavements - what do you expect?

Telling it as it is isn't trolling just because you don't want to hear it.
as for the whole debate about cycles being registered etc... how do you propose this is funded?

How is the registration zero rate cars funded, (although it's unlikely to last)? The answer is to charge cyclists themselves, and why not? They pay precious little in taxes compared with motorists (car purchase tax, VAT on fuel, and fuel tax, yet many £hundreds of thousands are spent of cycle lanes and green boxes, pus the cost in £millions in the congestion they cause.

The police are there to enforce whatever laws are made by parliament, and it's about time they started doing it.
so if I were the police and not a builder and I were interested at all in finding him I'd check the CCTV at the KFC, Chip shop and Sansburys.

I'd put my money on a builder doing a far better job in North Yorkshire!
[quote]you are aware about things like numberplate cloning and stolen cars are you not? It's not foolproof, and generally those commiting offences will be those in stolen cars or using cloned number plates.[/quote] Yes, but we still have number plates on cars., or should we let them off as well? [quote]You say that people expressing views against cycling are called a troll, yet you then say things like cyclists have a difficult time reconising the law, and a substantial number of them ride of pavements - what do you expect? [/quote] Telling it as it is isn't trolling just because you don't want to hear it. [quote]as for the whole debate about cycles being registered etc... how do you propose this is funded? [/quote] How is the registration zero rate cars funded, (although it's unlikely to last)? The answer is to charge cyclists themselves, and why not? They pay precious little in taxes compared with motorists (car purchase tax, VAT on fuel, and fuel tax, yet many £hundreds of thousands are spent of cycle lanes and green boxes, pus the cost in £millions in the congestion they cause. The police are there to enforce whatever laws are made by parliament, and it's about time they started doing it. [quote]so if I were the police and not a builder and I were interested at all in finding him I'd check the CCTV at the KFC, Chip shop and Sansburys. [/quote] I'd put my money on a builder doing a far better job in North Yorkshire! Sillybillies
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4:26pm Wed 8 Aug 12

desmond tiblets says...

Tom6187 wrote:
desmond tiblets wrote:
Tom6187 wrote:
How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.
these type of people are the respectless chav yob the labour party created
Not created by the Northern poverty that is the fault of Margaret Thatcher and her attack on the Northern working man? You're a typical Tory fool.
And you are just a fool.
[quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.[/p][/quote]these type of people are the respectless chav yob the labour party created[/p][/quote]Not created by the Northern poverty that is the fault of Margaret Thatcher and her attack on the Northern working man? You're a typical Tory fool.[/p][/quote]And you are just a fool. desmond tiblets
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4:49pm Wed 8 Aug 12

PKH says...

desmond tiblets wrote:
Tom6187 wrote:
How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.
these type of people are the respectless chav yob the labour party created
It was Maggie Thatcher that encouraged the I'm alright Jack attitude with YUPPIES etc who had little respect for anyone else. Wasn't it one of Thatcher's mantra that things trickle down eg selfishness.
[quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: How could you just ride off? These kind of people are lower than Tories.[/p][/quote]these type of people are the respectless chav yob the labour party created[/p][/quote]It was Maggie Thatcher that encouraged the I'm alright Jack attitude with YUPPIES etc who had little respect for anyone else. Wasn't it one of Thatcher's mantra that things trickle down eg selfishness. PKH
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5:07pm Wed 8 Aug 12

lezyork1966 says...

thats disgusting.

Problem is the council have made a gray area by allowing cycles onto /some/ footpaths in the form of cycle lanes, while other paths not so..

but its all down to the individual rider, and it seems this one was an evil sod or a coward.

I have rode on paths, I Still do every day, theres a lovely wide one near me that could have been split into half path half cycle and the locals have used it that way for years, at least the 20 i have lived here, with no issues, but I guess they had a white paint shortage, as plod will do you for it.... or try, if they can catch you...

Oh and dont no one say I have no respect for the law, its not a law, its a statute I believe... and those i dont choose to live by.
thats disgusting. Problem is the council have made a gray area by allowing cycles onto /some/ footpaths in the form of cycle lanes, while other paths not so.. but its all down to the individual rider, and it seems this one was an evil sod or a coward. I have rode on paths, I Still do every day, theres a lovely wide one near me that could have been split into half path half cycle and the locals have used it that way for years, at least the 20 i have lived here, with no issues, but I guess they had a white paint shortage, as plod will do you for it.... or try, if they can catch you... Oh and dont no one say I have no respect for the law, its not a law, its a statute I believe... and those i dont choose to live by. lezyork1966
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5:20pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

I have rode on paths, I Still do every day, theres a lovely wide one near me that could have been split into half path half cycle and the locals have used it that way for years, at least the 20 i have lived here, with no issues, but I guess they had a white paint shortage, as plod will do you for it.... or try, if they can catch you...

Oh and dont no one say I have no respect for the law, its not a law, its a statute I believe... and those i dont choose to live by.

Well there you are, proves my point about the criminal mentality of far too many cyclists. Not a law it's a statute? - Very limited intelligence as well, most laws are statutes and obeying them is not something we have an option over. The law on this matter is easily found here.
Rule 64 Highway Code
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
[quote]I have rode on paths, I Still do every day, theres a lovely wide one near me that could have been split into half path half cycle and the locals have used it that way for years, at least the 20 i have lived here, with no issues, but I guess they had a white paint shortage, as plod will do you for it.... or try, if they can catch you... Oh and dont no one say I have no respect for the law, its not a law, its a statute I believe... and those i dont choose to live by.[/quote] Well there you are, proves my point about the criminal mentality of far too many cyclists. Not a law it's a statute? - Very limited intelligence as well, most laws are statutes and obeying them is not something we have an option over. The law on this matter is easily found here. [quote]Rule 64 Highway Code You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. [Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129][/quote] Sillybillies
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5:22pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

I have rode on paths, I Still do every day, theres a lovely wide one near me that could have been split into half path half cycle and the locals have used it that way for years, at least the 20 i have lived here, with no issues, but I guess they had a white paint shortage, as plod will do you for it.... or try, if they can catch you...

Oh and dont no one say I have no respect for the law, its not a law, its a statute I believe... and those i dont choose to live by.

Well there you are, proves my point about the criminal mentality of far too many cyclists. Not a law it's a statute? - Very limited intelligence as well, most laws are statutes and obeying them is not something we have an option over. The law on this matter is easily found here.
Rule 64 Highway Code
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
[quote]I have rode on paths, I Still do every day, theres a lovely wide one near me that could have been split into half path half cycle and the locals have used it that way for years, at least the 20 i have lived here, with no issues, but I guess they had a white paint shortage, as plod will do you for it.... or try, if they can catch you... Oh and dont no one say I have no respect for the law, its not a law, its a statute I believe... and those i dont choose to live by.[/quote] Well there you are, proves my point about the criminal mentality of far too many cyclists. Not a law it's a statute? - Very limited intelligence as well, most laws are statutes and obeying them is not something we have an option over. The law on this matter is easily found here. [quote]Rule 64 Highway Code You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. [Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129][/quote] Sillybillies
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5:23pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

Something keeps getting missed off -

Cycling on the footway (pavement) is an offence under Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 as amended by Section 85 (1) of the Local Government Act 1888
Something keeps getting missed off - Cycling on the footway (pavement) is an offence under Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 as amended by Section 85 (1) of the Local Government Act 1888 Sillybillies
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5:25pm Wed 8 Aug 12

old_geezer says...

lezyork1966: "Law" can be statute law i.e. Acts of Parliament, common law, or case law or precedent (often a mixture of the three- and let's not get into statutory instruments).

They are all binding, so you definitely don't get to choose which to live by!
lezyork1966: "Law" can be statute law i.e. Acts of Parliament, common law, or case law or precedent (often a mixture of the three- and let's not get into statutory instruments). They are all binding, so you definitely don't get to choose which to live by! old_geezer
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5:37pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Digeorge says...

"How on earth do you drive a car down a pavement? I'm sick of people spouting such rubbish vitriol whenever a story related to a cyclist comes up".

Actually, I have on Tadcaster Road by the Petrol Station because the car driver was too thick to realise that that was a pavement.

And I am sick on Tadcaster Road having to get out of the way on a pavement for a cyclist when there is a cycle road both ways.

So the poor lady, I do have sympathy. I hope they catch the thug that did it.
"How on earth do you drive a car down a pavement? I'm sick of people spouting such rubbish vitriol whenever a story related to a cyclist comes up". Actually, I have on Tadcaster Road by the Petrol Station because the car driver was too thick to realise that that was a pavement. And I am sick on Tadcaster Road having to get out of the way on a pavement for a cyclist when there is a cycle road both ways. So the poor lady, I do have sympathy. I hope they catch the thug that did it. Digeorge
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5:43pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Caecilius says...

chunkyyorkie wrote:
Come on now let’s be fair it’s the person not the type of transport. The villain here isn’t ‘all cyclists’ its ‘all morons’. As a car driver, motorcyclist and someone who cycles to get to work everyday, I’ll say bikes are not ‘the bain of York’. A large majority of cyclist behave responsibly and in accordance with the Highway Code. The idiot who did this to the poor lady will have the same disregard for human beings if he were in a car or on foot. It’s the mentality of the individual I’m afraid. If this person also drives a car then yes I agree it would have number plates but the car could be stolen and have no licence, insurance – it’s just a fact that some type of people’s attitude and sense of right or wrong is not the same as that of the majority of decent society. I’m not here to defend all bike riders, I see every day some who jump traffic lights and ride on footpaths and I know pedestrians will come off worse against a bike – but I also see every day many times just how risky and dangerous it can be on a bike and how close cars and buses pass by cyclist and just how vulnerable bikes are too against anything else. And to keep things in perspective, examples of cars and buses driving badly speeding, jumping red lights etc etc also go on everyday and nothing is ever done. For some reason there are many cities around the world where all types of transport operate far more harmoniously together than York. It’s also worth thinking how bad traffic would be in York if everyone left their bikes at home and jumped in the car, it would be a nightmare! It’s horrible what happened and hope Beryl gets well soon and well done to the decent passers-by who did the right thing by her.
Everything you say is spot on, chunkyyorkie. I've challenged a cyclist riding the wrong way up Low Petergate without lights on a dark winter morning. I've challenged a motorist who drove quite deliberately through a red light at the junction of Micklegate and Skeldergate (while I was coming through the green one), just so he could tag onto the end of a queue of traffic on the other side of the lights. I've challenged a man who'd parked four-square on the double yellow lines, the cycle lane and the zigzag lines marking the approach to the pedestrian crossing outside the Londis shop on Bootham. The infantile, and predictable, response I got from all three self-centred cretins was exactly the same. And let's not forget the pedestrian who had a go at me because I was riding a bike on a cycle path emblazoned "CYCLES ONLY" (supplemented by a picture of a bicycle for the benefit of illiterate people) which he'd opted to walk on. As you say, it's the person, not the type of transport.
[quote][p][bold]chunkyyorkie[/bold] wrote: Come on now let’s be fair it’s the person not the type of transport. The villain here isn’t ‘all cyclists’ its ‘all morons’. As a car driver, motorcyclist and someone who cycles to get to work everyday, I’ll say bikes are not ‘the bain of York’. A large majority of cyclist behave responsibly and in accordance with the Highway Code. The idiot who did this to the poor lady will have the same disregard for human beings if he were in a car or on foot. It’s the mentality of the individual I’m afraid. If this person also drives a car then yes I agree it would have number plates but the car could be stolen and have no licence, insurance – it’s just a fact that some type of people’s attitude and sense of right or wrong is not the same as that of the majority of decent society. I’m not here to defend all bike riders, I see every day some who jump traffic lights and ride on footpaths and I know pedestrians will come off worse against a bike – but I also see every day many times just how risky and dangerous it can be on a bike and how close cars and buses pass by cyclist and just how vulnerable bikes are too against anything else. And to keep things in perspective, examples of cars and buses driving badly speeding, jumping red lights etc etc also go on everyday and nothing is ever done. For some reason there are many cities around the world where all types of transport operate far more harmoniously together than York. It’s also worth thinking how bad traffic would be in York if everyone left their bikes at home and jumped in the car, it would be a nightmare! It’s horrible what happened and hope Beryl gets well soon and well done to the decent passers-by who did the right thing by her.[/p][/quote]Everything you say is spot on, chunkyyorkie. I've challenged a cyclist riding the wrong way up Low Petergate without lights on a dark winter morning. I've challenged a motorist who drove quite deliberately through a red light at the junction of Micklegate and Skeldergate (while I was coming through the green one), just so he could tag onto the end of a queue of traffic on the other side of the lights. I've challenged a man who'd parked four-square on the double yellow lines, the cycle lane and the zigzag lines marking the approach to the pedestrian crossing outside the Londis shop on Bootham. The infantile, and predictable, response I got from all three self-centred cretins was exactly the same. And let's not forget the pedestrian who had a go at me because I was riding a bike on a cycle path emblazoned "CYCLES ONLY" (supplemented by a picture of a bicycle for the benefit of illiterate people) which he'd opted to walk on. As you say, it's the person, not the type of transport. Caecilius
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5:51pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Woody G Mellor says...

Peddling Paul. After all the comments you have made in the past relating to cyclists/cycling in York, I believe that it is your duty to make a comment on this incident. Or FOREVER hold your piece.
Peddling Paul. After all the comments you have made in the past relating to cyclists/cycling in York, I believe that it is your duty to make a comment on this incident. Or FOREVER hold your piece. Woody G Mellor
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5:56pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

He doesn't need the wear high visibility clothing, the bright yellow streak down his back will suffice.
He doesn't need the wear high visibility clothing, the bright yellow streak down his back will suffice. Sillybillies
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6:07pm Wed 8 Aug 12

MrsDingledongle says...

sharpy296 wrote:
Clearly the repribate that did this needs to be held to account, it is not good enough and shows the worst of the cycling community. Around York there are few places where it is dangerous to be on the road, generally road users are polite to each other certainly I have never felt the need to cycle on the pavement. However shared cycle paths are a nightmare for both cyclists and pedestirans. I hope that Mrs Hall has a swift recovery. To the note that is always made about "Road Tax", this does not exsist Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) is what you now pay and please explain to me how does it work for the cars that no longer have to pay VED? This argument is even less valid that it has ever been now.
Individual cyclists are not part of a 'community'. I ride my bike to work because it's convenient, but If someone asked me what I am, I would not automatically say 'I am a cyclist'. I am not a member of a club, I do not break the law, I do not ride on the pavements. What a shame that one idiot causing deep distress and pain to a senior citizen can provoke such ridiculous comments. I'm sure some of you don't even think what you're writing. You see one cyclist do something bad and just go onto automatic pilot and write complete drivel. THINK!!! Idiots.
[quote][p][bold]sharpy296[/bold] wrote: Clearly the repribate that did this needs to be held to account, it is not good enough and shows the worst of the cycling community. Around York there are few places where it is dangerous to be on the road, generally road users are polite to each other certainly I have never felt the need to cycle on the pavement. However shared cycle paths are a nightmare for both cyclists and pedestirans. I hope that Mrs Hall has a swift recovery. To the note that is always made about "Road Tax", this does not exsist Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) is what you now pay and please explain to me how does it work for the cars that no longer have to pay VED? This argument is even less valid that it has ever been now.[/p][/quote]Individual cyclists are not part of a 'community'. I ride my bike to work because it's convenient, but If someone asked me what I am, I would not automatically say 'I am a cyclist'. I am not a member of a club, I do not break the law, I do not ride on the pavements. What a shame that one idiot causing deep distress and pain to a senior citizen can provoke such ridiculous comments. I'm sure some of you don't even think what you're writing. You see one cyclist do something bad and just go onto automatic pilot and write complete drivel. THINK!!! Idiots. MrsDingledongle
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6:23pm Wed 8 Aug 12

lowbeam says...

Nothing will ever change.About 4 years ago a pregnant woman was knocked down and killed by a cyclist riding on a footpath,there was much gnashing of teeth by the authorities..did anything change? did the police do their job and clamp down/fine/prosecute cyclists? no..they never will,and this sort of thing will just go on and on and on sad to say..
Oh,and i am a cyclist
Nothing will ever change.About 4 years ago a pregnant woman was knocked down and killed by a cyclist riding on a footpath,there was much gnashing of teeth by the authorities..did anything change? did the police do their job and clamp down/fine/prosecute cyclists? no..they never will,and this sort of thing will just go on and on and on sad to say.. Oh,and i am a cyclist lowbeam
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6:29pm Wed 8 Aug 12

mrdavey says...

I hope the poor lady concerned makes a speedy and full recovery.

I must say, however, some of the posters here really do need to try the decaff.

I find it disturbing the amount of petty spiteful small mindedness being shown (on both sides), heaven help us all if these people speak for the majority.

What happened to tolerance and common sense?

Get out there however you get there, enjoy the sunshine and the olympics.
I hope the poor lady concerned makes a speedy and full recovery. I must say, however, some of the posters here really do need to try the decaff. I find it disturbing the amount of petty spiteful small mindedness being shown (on both sides), heaven help us all if these people speak for the majority. What happened to tolerance and common sense? Get out there however you get there, enjoy the sunshine and the olympics. mrdavey
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7:34pm Wed 8 Aug 12

PinzaC55 says...

Cyclists and car drivers are exactly the same - they will break the law when they think they can get away with it. The only difference is that with cyclists they need no licence, insurance, road tax , registration plates etc so there are no consequences for them.
Despite the furore in this case we all know that in the unlikely event that the cyclist is caught he will get a small fine or a few hours community service, and he will be back on his bike the next day.
Cyclists and car drivers are exactly the same - they will break the law when they think they can get away with it. The only difference is that with cyclists they need no licence, insurance, road tax , registration plates etc so there are no consequences for them. Despite the furore in this case we all know that in the unlikely event that the cyclist is caught he will get a small fine or a few hours community service, and he will be back on his bike the next day. PinzaC55
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9:00pm Wed 8 Aug 12

ouseswimmer says...

Cylists must have a code for using pavements. The roads are simply not safe for them as many car drivers attack them. I propose that cyclists are alloweed to use the outside edge of a footpath up to say halef a mile from the city centre where traffic is slower and then cyclists can use the main roads. Laws need to be bought in so that pedestrians are safe on the inside of a footpath.
Cylists must have a code for using pavements. The roads are simply not safe for them as many car drivers attack them. I propose that cyclists are alloweed to use the outside edge of a footpath up to say halef a mile from the city centre where traffic is slower and then cyclists can use the main roads. Laws need to be bought in so that pedestrians are safe on the inside of a footpath. ouseswimmer
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9:14pm Wed 8 Aug 12

lezyork1966 says...

Sillybillies wrote:
I have rode on paths, I Still do every day, theres a lovely wide one near me that could have been split into half path half cycle and the locals have used it that way for years, at least the 20 i have lived here, with no issues, but I guess they had a white paint shortage, as plod will do you for it.... or try, if they can catch you...

Oh and dont no one say I have no respect for the law, its not a law, its a statute I believe... and those i dont choose to live by.

Well there you are, proves my point about the criminal mentality of far too many cyclists. Not a law it's a statute? - Very limited intelligence as well, most laws are statutes and obeying them is not something we have an option over. The law on this matter is easily found here.
Rule 64 Highway Code
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
I choose to live my life my way, if that makes me of limited intelligence or a criminal, do i care? not really, theres more to life than following rules i never signed up for.

I live by the simpler common laws of the land, dont do harm or cause distress or loss etc, if i cycle on the grey bit of tarmac instead of the red, and dont hit a nun, wheres the distress harm or loss??

better lock all the locals up round here who do the same on this double width path to keep you sheep minded people safe.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]I have rode on paths, I Still do every day, theres a lovely wide one near me that could have been split into half path half cycle and the locals have used it that way for years, at least the 20 i have lived here, with no issues, but I guess they had a white paint shortage, as plod will do you for it.... or try, if they can catch you... Oh and dont no one say I have no respect for the law, its not a law, its a statute I believe... and those i dont choose to live by.[/quote] Well there you are, proves my point about the criminal mentality of far too many cyclists. Not a law it's a statute? - Very limited intelligence as well, most laws are statutes and obeying them is not something we have an option over. The law on this matter is easily found here. [quote]Rule 64 Highway Code You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. [Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129][/quote][/p][/quote]I choose to live my life my way, if that makes me of limited intelligence or a criminal, do i care? not really, theres more to life than following rules i never signed up for. I live by the simpler common laws of the land, dont do harm or cause distress or loss etc, if i cycle on the grey bit of tarmac instead of the red, and dont hit a nun, wheres the distress harm or loss?? better lock all the locals up round here who do the same on this double width path to keep you sheep minded people safe. lezyork1966
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9:46pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Woody G wrote:
Or FOREVER hold your piece.

Nice Freudian...

This is his rifle, this is his gun...
[quote]Woody G wrote: Or FOREVER hold your piece.[/quote] Nice Freudian... This is his rifle, this is his gun... Buzz Light-year
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10:00pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Back and Beyond says...

Having watched many incidents involving cyclists on CCTV in and around York a major concern is the amount of people who chose the bike as their cheap, preferred method of transport after having a drink in the local bars.

Having a bike increasingly seems to absolve you from any responsibility!!
Having watched many incidents involving cyclists on CCTV in and around York a major concern is the amount of people who chose the bike as their cheap, preferred method of transport after having a drink in the local bars. Having a bike increasingly seems to absolve you from any responsibility!! Back and Beyond
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10:11pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Alfredd-g says...

These people are complete and utter morons and will only be spurred on by the likes of Bradley Wiggins and his friends at the Olympic Games. They should be made to carry licence plates and third party insurance. As a pedestrian on the York to Selby footpath / cycle track, I have experienced several bad moments, with cyclists threatening to run both myself and my dog over. The path is for the shared enjoyment of pedestrians and cyclists. If you want to live dangerously, go and play with the lorries on the A19, please.
These people are complete and utter morons and will only be spurred on by the likes of Bradley Wiggins and his friends at the Olympic Games. They should be made to carry licence plates and third party insurance. As a pedestrian on the York to Selby footpath / cycle track, I have experienced several bad moments, with cyclists threatening to run both myself and my dog over. The path is for the shared enjoyment of pedestrians and cyclists. If you want to live dangerously, go and play with the lorries on the A19, please. Alfredd-g
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10:21pm Wed 8 Aug 12

NickPheas says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
Cylists must have a code for using pavements. The roads are simply not safe for them as many car drivers attack them. I propose that cyclists are alloweed to use the outside edge of a footpath up to say halef a mile from the city centre where traffic is slower and then cyclists can use the main roads. Laws need to be bought in so that pedestrians are safe on the inside of a footpath.
Ouseswimmer writes:
"Laws need to be bought in so that pedestrians are safe on the inside of a footpath."

We have them. They're not enforced.
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: Cylists must have a code for using pavements. The roads are simply not safe for them as many car drivers attack them. I propose that cyclists are alloweed to use the outside edge of a footpath up to say halef a mile from the city centre where traffic is slower and then cyclists can use the main roads. Laws need to be bought in so that pedestrians are safe on the inside of a footpath.[/p][/quote]Ouseswimmer writes: "Laws need to be bought in so that pedestrians are safe on the inside of a footpath." We have them. They're not enforced. NickPheas
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10:24pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Paul Hepworth says...

When I arrived home in York this evening after a day away, I saw this issue headlined in The Press, and logged onto its website to check the inevitable feedback.
My organisation, CTC, does not support law breaking by any road user including pedestrians, and I hope that the mindless moron who injured the lady is quickly arrested.
Having said that, I note many comments which suggest that he is also likely to be a moron when n two legs, or if driving a car.
Many commentators emphasise that his actions are not typical of all cyclists. Other feedback highlights the ability of motor vehicles to inflict far more damage by "mounting kerbs."
I will shortly be writing to the Press on behalf of CTC, with the latest available national KSI statistics for pedestrian casualties on pavements, caused by all vehicle types. I believe that this will put the issue into proportion, and perhaps offset the sensationalism caused by the decision of the "Press" to lead with this particular news item.
Perhaps in the interests of fairness, the Press will similarly highlight the next local kerb mounting incident by a motor vehicle, that has similar consequences.
I hope that Beryl makes a speedy recovery.
Paul Hepworth
Press Officer
CTC North Yorkshire.
When I arrived home in York this evening after a day away, I saw this issue headlined in The Press, and logged onto its website to check the inevitable feedback. My organisation, CTC, does not support law breaking by any road user including pedestrians, and I hope that the mindless moron who injured the lady is quickly arrested. Having said that, I note many comments which suggest that he is also likely to be a moron when n two legs, or if driving a car. Many commentators emphasise that his actions are not typical of all cyclists. Other feedback highlights the ability of motor vehicles to inflict far more damage by "mounting kerbs." I will shortly be writing to the Press on behalf of CTC, with the latest available national KSI statistics for pedestrian casualties on pavements, caused by all vehicle types. I believe that this will put the issue into proportion, and perhaps offset the sensationalism caused by the decision of the "Press" to lead with this particular news item. Perhaps in the interests of fairness, the Press will similarly highlight the next local kerb mounting incident by a motor vehicle, that has similar consequences. I hope that Beryl makes a speedy recovery. Paul Hepworth Press Officer CTC North Yorkshire. Paul Hepworth
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10:41pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Old_Man says...

In Norway the pavements are shared by cyclists and pedestrians as a matter of course. A cyclist using the road when there is a perfectly good pavement is likely to get themselves a loud hoot of the horn for their troubles.
In Norway the pavements are shared by cyclists and pedestrians as a matter of course. A cyclist using the road when there is a perfectly good pavement is likely to get themselves a loud hoot of the horn for their troubles. Old_Man
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10:56pm Wed 8 Aug 12

bolero says...

Peddling Paul the Godfather of all cyclists,where are you? Frantically searching through books of Rules and Regulations to come up with a reason to defend the cyclist involved in this unfortunate accident most likely. Simple rules; footpaths for pedestrians and carriageways for all forms of transport. And as users of the highway, cyclists should be required to wear some form of identification and to be insured. I only hope that this miscreant has the courage to come forward and own up to this poor lady with a suitable apology. Get well soon Mrs Hall. And enough of using this incident as an excuse for name calling and criticism towards anyone who happens to have a point of view which doesn't comply with your own. Shame on you all.
Peddling Paul the Godfather of all cyclists,where are you? Frantically searching through books of Rules and Regulations to come up with a reason to defend the cyclist involved in this unfortunate accident most likely. Simple rules; footpaths for pedestrians and carriageways for all forms of transport. And as users of the highway, cyclists should be required to wear some form of identification and to be insured. I only hope that this miscreant has the courage to come forward and own up to this poor lady with a suitable apology. Get well soon Mrs Hall. And enough of using this incident as an excuse for name calling and criticism towards anyone who happens to have a point of view which doesn't comply with your own. Shame on you all. bolero
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11:01pm Wed 8 Aug 12

bolero says...

Paul Hepworth's posting obviously arrived whilst I was typing my contribution. I note that he is going to come up with his usual meaningless statistics which will go no way to relieving the situation in which Beryl finds herself. Just keep quiet Paul please otherwise you will just be adding coal to the fire.
Paul Hepworth's posting obviously arrived whilst I was typing my contribution. I note that he is going to come up with his usual meaningless statistics which will go no way to relieving the situation in which Beryl finds herself. Just keep quiet Paul please otherwise you will just be adding coal to the fire. bolero
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11:15pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

I have learnt the futility of trying to reason with prejudice.
I have learnt the futility of trying to reason with prejudice. Buzz Light-year
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11:43pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Am Dram Fan says...

My husband and myself were almost knocked over by a lady in an invalid scooter coming at speed around a corner in Acomb a few weeks ago. Had we been elderly and not able to jump out of the way quickly we may have been in Beryl's situation
My husband and myself were almost knocked over by a lady in an invalid scooter coming at speed around a corner in Acomb a few weeks ago. Had we been elderly and not able to jump out of the way quickly we may have been in Beryl's situation Am Dram Fan
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3:10am Thu 9 Aug 12

Magicman! says...

First Question: WHY has the press allowed comments on this article when it does not allow comments when a car collides with a pedestrian or with another car? Surely allowing comments on this is just fanning flames, then pouring petrol on the fire... and to be honest is in bad taste.

Second Question: WHERE on Moss Street did this happen? because Moss Street runs by Scarcroft School where there is a shared pavement/cycleway running from Scarcroft Road towards Nunnery Lane. Now if the cyclist was riding at speed on the pavement away from this marked cycleway then he hasn't got a leg to stand on legally as he was riding dangerously. But if he was cycling on the shared cycleway and Beryl happened to step out onto the cycle part of this shared route without looking then you cannot pin blame on the cyclist. There is not enough information in this article to say one way or the other where this happened, so to take one side or the other is prejudiced. If you were there and saw Beryl coming out of an alleyway onto a narrow pavement in the terraced part of the street, for example, and the cyclist came by there, then by all means write in so we all know the bloke is an idiot and deserves the book throwing at him, followed by the bookcase. The road itself is quite quiet and so there is no excuse for pavement cycling there.
The fact is however that by far most commentors here have decided the cyclist was in the wrong when in fact they themselves weren't there to see what happened or to confirm one way or the other what happened.
First Question: WHY has the press allowed comments on this article when it does not allow comments when a car collides with a pedestrian or with another car? Surely allowing comments on this is just fanning flames, then pouring petrol on the fire... and to be honest is in bad taste. Second Question: WHERE on Moss Street did this happen? because Moss Street runs by Scarcroft School where there is a shared pavement/cycleway running from Scarcroft Road towards Nunnery Lane. Now if the cyclist was riding at speed on the pavement away from this marked cycleway then he hasn't got a leg to stand on legally as he was riding dangerously. But if he was cycling on the shared cycleway and Beryl happened to step out onto the cycle part of this shared route without looking then you cannot pin blame on the cyclist. There is not enough information in this article to say one way or the other where this happened, so to take one side or the other is prejudiced. If you were there and saw Beryl coming out of an alleyway onto a narrow pavement in the terraced part of the street, for example, and the cyclist came by there, then by all means write in so we all know the bloke is an idiot and deserves the book throwing at him, followed by the bookcase. The road itself is quite quiet and so there is no excuse for pavement cycling there. The fact is however that by far most commentors here have decided the cyclist was in the wrong when in fact they themselves weren't there to see what happened or to confirm one way or the other what happened. Magicman!
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3:15am Thu 9 Aug 12

Magicman! says...

Alfredd-g wrote:
These people are complete and utter morons and will only be spurred on by the likes of Bradley Wiggins and his friends at the Olympic Games. They should be made to carry licence plates and third party insurance. As a pedestrian on the York to Selby footpath / cycle track, I have experienced several bad moments, with cyclists threatening to run both myself and my dog over. The path is for the shared enjoyment of pedestrians and cyclists. If you want to live dangerously, go and play with the lorries on the A19, please.
Errrmmmmmm... the york to selby route was created by a CYCLING organisation for a safe route between york and selby to CYCLE along. The fact you and your dog can walk there is just a byproduct that happenes to be beneficial to you. I suggest you do your homework before making stupid comments on here... And I also suggest when you're walking along there with your dog that (A) you stick to ONE SIDE of the route, and (B) you keep your dog ON A LEAD... you wouldn't let your dog run lose if you were walking beside the A19, so why would anybody do the same thing on the cycling equivalent route? The same thing happens on several other routes that were built primarily for cyclists whereby cyclists often encounter people walking dogs that are not on leads and not under the owners control... and let me tell you know, if I came off my bike due to a collision with an unrestrained dog whilst riding along a designated cycle route, it would be you I'd be going after compensation for injuries and a damaged bike. If you stick to one side with your dog on a lead then you have nothing to fear... a single pedestrian walking along the route is easy to go past, a pedestrian with an unrestrained dog is another matter.
[quote][p][bold]Alfredd-g[/bold] wrote: These people are complete and utter morons and will only be spurred on by the likes of Bradley Wiggins and his friends at the Olympic Games. They should be made to carry licence plates and third party insurance. As a pedestrian on the York to Selby footpath / cycle track, I have experienced several bad moments, with cyclists threatening to run both myself and my dog over. The path is for the shared enjoyment of pedestrians and cyclists. If you want to live dangerously, go and play with the lorries on the A19, please.[/p][/quote]Errrmmmmmm... the york to selby route was created by a CYCLING organisation for a safe route between york and selby to CYCLE along. The fact you and your dog can walk there is just a byproduct that happenes to be beneficial to you. I suggest you do your homework before making stupid comments on here... And I also suggest when you're walking along there with your dog that (A) you stick to ONE SIDE of the route, and (B) you keep your dog ON A LEAD... you wouldn't let your dog run lose if you were walking beside the A19, so why would anybody do the same thing on the cycling equivalent route? The same thing happens on several other routes that were built primarily for cyclists whereby cyclists often encounter people walking dogs that are not on leads and not under the owners control... and let me tell you know, if I came off my bike due to a collision with an unrestrained dog whilst riding along a designated cycle route, it would be you I'd be going after compensation for injuries and a damaged bike. If you stick to one side with your dog on a lead then you have nothing to fear... a single pedestrian walking along the route is easy to go past, a pedestrian with an unrestrained dog is another matter. Magicman!
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3:20am Thu 9 Aug 12

Magicman! says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
Cylists must have a code for using pavements. The roads are simply not safe for them as many car drivers attack them. I propose that cyclists are alloweed to use the outside edge of a footpath up to say halef a mile from the city centre where traffic is slower and then cyclists can use the main roads. Laws need to be bought in so that pedestrians are safe on the inside of a footpath.
either that or widen the roads and then make a cycle lane 'Manchester style' which is the same level as the road but physically seperated by a kerb so that cars can not encroach on it either when driving or when parking, as parked cars would be on the carriagway and parking in such a way to straddle this kerb and go onto the cycle lane would be an offense. The pavement would stay the same width but would be safer as the cyclists that ride illegally would be more likely to use the cycle lane because it does not feel like it's on the road. Perhaps use Crichton Avenue as the trial ground, followed by Heworth Green and then Huntington Road.
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: Cylists must have a code for using pavements. The roads are simply not safe for them as many car drivers attack them. I propose that cyclists are alloweed to use the outside edge of a footpath up to say halef a mile from the city centre where traffic is slower and then cyclists can use the main roads. Laws need to be bought in so that pedestrians are safe on the inside of a footpath.[/p][/quote]either that or widen the roads and then make a cycle lane 'Manchester style' which is the same level as the road but physically seperated by a kerb so that cars can not encroach on it either when driving or when parking, as parked cars would be on the carriagway and parking in such a way to straddle this kerb and go onto the cycle lane would be an offense. The pavement would stay the same width but would be safer as the cyclists that ride illegally would be more likely to use the cycle lane because it does not feel like it's on the road. Perhaps use Crichton Avenue as the trial ground, followed by Heworth Green and then Huntington Road. Magicman!
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3:23am Thu 9 Aug 12

Magicman! says...

The Grim Reaper wrote:
I had a real shock yesterday - a cyclist actually stopped at a red light and waited for the green light. Thought I was dreaming.
It was probably me!
[quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: I had a real shock yesterday - a cyclist actually stopped at a red light and waited for the green light. Thought I was dreaming.[/p][/quote]It was probably me! Magicman!
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3:25am Thu 9 Aug 12

Magicman! says...

chunkyyorkie wrote:
Come on now let’s be fair it’s the person not the type of transport. The villain here isn’t ‘all cyclists’ its ‘all morons’.

As a car driver, motorcyclist and someone who cycles to get to work everyday, I’ll say bikes are not ‘the bain of York’. A large majority of cyclist behave responsibly and in accordance with the Highway Code. The idiot who did this to the poor lady will have the same disregard for human beings if he were in a car or on foot. It’s the mentality of the individual I’m afraid. If this person also drives a car then yes I agree it would have number plates but the car could be stolen and have no licence, insurance – it’s just a fact that some type of people’s attitude and sense of right or wrong is not the same as that of the majority of decent society.
I’m not here to defend all bike riders, I see every day some who jump traffic lights and ride on footpaths and I know pedestrians will come off worse against a bike – but I also see every day many times just how risky and dangerous it can be on a bike and how close cars and buses pass by cyclist and just how vulnerable bikes are too against anything else. And to keep things in perspective, examples of cars and buses driving badly speeding, jumping red lights etc etc also go on everyday and nothing is ever done. For some reason there are many cities around the world where all types of transport operate far more harmoniously together than York.
It’s also worth thinking how bad traffic would be in York if everyone left their bikes at home and jumped in the car, it would be a nightmare! It’s horrible what happened and hope Beryl gets well soon and well done to the decent passers-by who did the right thing by her.
There is not a word wrong with this post. I second everything said in this, and think it is worthy of a quote so it gets read again.
[quote][p][bold]chunkyyorkie[/bold] wrote: Come on now let’s be fair it’s the person not the type of transport. The villain here isn’t ‘all cyclists’ its ‘all morons’. As a car driver, motorcyclist and someone who cycles to get to work everyday, I’ll say bikes are not ‘the bain of York’. A large majority of cyclist behave responsibly and in accordance with the Highway Code. The idiot who did this to the poor lady will have the same disregard for human beings if he were in a car or on foot. It’s the mentality of the individual I’m afraid. If this person also drives a car then yes I agree it would have number plates but the car could be stolen and have no licence, insurance – it’s just a fact that some type of people’s attitude and sense of right or wrong is not the same as that of the majority of decent society. I’m not here to defend all bike riders, I see every day some who jump traffic lights and ride on footpaths and I know pedestrians will come off worse against a bike – but I also see every day many times just how risky and dangerous it can be on a bike and how close cars and buses pass by cyclist and just how vulnerable bikes are too against anything else. And to keep things in perspective, examples of cars and buses driving badly speeding, jumping red lights etc etc also go on everyday and nothing is ever done. For some reason there are many cities around the world where all types of transport operate far more harmoniously together than York. It’s also worth thinking how bad traffic would be in York if everyone left their bikes at home and jumped in the car, it would be a nightmare! It’s horrible what happened and hope Beryl gets well soon and well done to the decent passers-by who did the right thing by her.[/p][/quote]There is not a word wrong with this post. I second everything said in this, and think it is worthy of a quote so it gets read again. Magicman!
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7:15am Thu 9 Aug 12

Omega Point says...

monkeyhanger wrote:
“We were just coming out of an alleyway and a cyclist came like a bat out of Hell along the pavement. He will be gone now the morning has come.
Before quoting the classic song from Meatloaf, which may seem clever, had you actually looked at the injuries of this lady
[quote][p][bold]monkeyhanger[/bold] wrote: “We were just coming out of an alleyway and a cyclist came like a bat out of Hell along the pavement. He will be gone now the morning has come.[/p][/quote]Before quoting the classic song from Meatloaf, which may seem clever, had you actually looked at the injuries of this lady Omega Point
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8:29am Thu 9 Aug 12

Davroshasissues says...

Hope you get back on the mend soon Beryl.

One thing that annoys me a lot is cyclists not using the cycle paths that the council has spent so much money on. Clifton bridge for example, perfectly good, well signed cycle path, totally ignored when you've got a cyclist on the road, 3 feet away from it. Causing drivers to swing out to avoid and possibly risk a head-on with the oncoming traffic in the other lane.

And drivers, why do you give a cycle lane such a wide berth? So many times i've had to swerve to avoid being hit by a driver in the opposite lane who is swerving round a bike in the cycle lane.
Then on the other hand, there are those drivers who completely ignore the cycle lane and encroach on it.

I think drivers are as bad, if not worse than cyclists, especially those who don't use their indicators (you know who you are)...little stick on the side of your steering wheel, clicks up and down...it does have a purpose...especially on roundabouts...use it.
Hope you get back on the mend soon Beryl. One thing that annoys me a lot is cyclists not using the cycle paths that the council has spent so much money on. Clifton bridge for example, perfectly good, well signed cycle path, totally ignored when you've got a cyclist on the road, 3 feet away from it. Causing drivers to swing out to avoid and possibly risk a head-on with the oncoming traffic in the other lane. And drivers, why do you give a cycle lane such a wide berth? So many times i've had to swerve to avoid being hit by a driver in the opposite lane who is swerving round a bike in the cycle lane. Then on the other hand, there are those drivers who completely ignore the cycle lane and encroach on it. I think drivers are as bad, if not worse than cyclists, especially those who don't use their indicators (you know who you are)...little stick on the side of your steering wheel, clicks up and down...it does have a purpose...especially on roundabouts...use it. Davroshasissues
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8:36am Thu 9 Aug 12

sharpy296 says...

For reference it is advised that use of a cycle path is not recommended if you (the cyclist) is averaging over 18mph. This is for safety (of both the cyclist and anyone walking on a shared path), so in some cases cyclists might be riding along side a perfectly good cycle path for that reason. I know on the run to Monks Cross from Heworth (I think) I dont use the one there but I do average 25mph so not really holding anyone up.
For reference it is advised that use of a cycle path is not recommended if you (the cyclist) is averaging over 18mph. This is for safety (of both the cyclist and anyone walking on a shared path), so in some cases cyclists might be riding along side a perfectly good cycle path for that reason. I know on the run to Monks Cross from Heworth (I think) I dont use the one there but I do average 25mph so not really holding anyone up. sharpy296
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8:47am Thu 9 Aug 12

pedalling paul says...

Magicman! wrote:
Alfredd-g wrote:
These people are complete and utter morons and will only be spurred on by the likes of Bradley Wiggins and his friends at the Olympic Games. They should be made to carry licence plates and third party insurance. As a pedestrian on the York to Selby footpath / cycle track, I have experienced several bad moments, with cyclists threatening to run both myself and my dog over. The path is for the shared enjoyment of pedestrians and cyclists. If you want to live dangerously, go and play with the lorries on the A19, please.
Errrmmmmmm... the york to selby route was created by a CYCLING organisation for a safe route between york and selby to CYCLE along. The fact you and your dog can walk there is just a byproduct that happenes to be beneficial to you. I suggest you do your homework before making stupid comments on here... And I also suggest when you're walking along there with your dog that (A) you stick to ONE SIDE of the route, and (B) you keep your dog ON A LEAD... you wouldn't let your dog run lose if you were walking beside the A19, so why would anybody do the same thing on the cycling equivalent route? The same thing happens on several other routes that were built primarily for cyclists whereby cyclists often encounter people walking dogs that are not on leads and not under the owners control... and let me tell you know, if I came off my bike due to a collision with an unrestrained dog whilst riding along a designated cycle route, it would be you I'd be going after compensation for injuries and a damaged bike. If you stick to one side with your dog on a lead then you have nothing to fear... a single pedestrian walking along the route is easy to go past, a pedestrian with an unrestrained dog is another matter.
Wrong again. The Sustrans York-Selby path like all their paths, is intended for unsegregated, shared use. The majority of use is for leisure and there is generally extensive courtesy between different users. I've both given and received this when cycling along it.

As for the Moss St. incident, we must perhaps await further information about the site of the collision, before condemning either party. As one commentator mentioned, there is a shared path with white line segregation, alongside Scarcroft school which emerges onto Moss St. It is possible that the pedestrian was crossing the end of this, as the cyclist emerged. If so then sight lines and calming measures may need to be reconsidered.
My doppleganger PH has already been castigated for not commentating, then told to shut up when he did. I'll be very interested to see what statistics he comes up with.
Meanwhile I've had a quick internet trawl. The following is typical.
"In Great Britain, almost all of the 43 pedestrians killed and the majority of the 367 seriously injured on a footway or verge in 2010 were the result of being hit by motor vehicles".
So next time a pedestrian in York is injured by a motor vehicle on the pavement, perhaps it will receive similar media prominence.
My sympathy to Beryl and I condemn the action of the cyclist for not remaining at the scene. I hope that the Police can identify him and take appropriate action.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfredd-g[/bold] wrote: These people are complete and utter morons and will only be spurred on by the likes of Bradley Wiggins and his friends at the Olympic Games. They should be made to carry licence plates and third party insurance. As a pedestrian on the York to Selby footpath / cycle track, I have experienced several bad moments, with cyclists threatening to run both myself and my dog over. The path is for the shared enjoyment of pedestrians and cyclists. If you want to live dangerously, go and play with the lorries on the A19, please.[/p][/quote]Errrmmmmmm... the york to selby route was created by a CYCLING organisation for a safe route between york and selby to CYCLE along. The fact you and your dog can walk there is just a byproduct that happenes to be beneficial to you. I suggest you do your homework before making stupid comments on here... And I also suggest when you're walking along there with your dog that (A) you stick to ONE SIDE of the route, and (B) you keep your dog ON A LEAD... you wouldn't let your dog run lose if you were walking beside the A19, so why would anybody do the same thing on the cycling equivalent route? The same thing happens on several other routes that were built primarily for cyclists whereby cyclists often encounter people walking dogs that are not on leads and not under the owners control... and let me tell you know, if I came off my bike due to a collision with an unrestrained dog whilst riding along a designated cycle route, it would be you I'd be going after compensation for injuries and a damaged bike. If you stick to one side with your dog on a lead then you have nothing to fear... a single pedestrian walking along the route is easy to go past, a pedestrian with an unrestrained dog is another matter.[/p][/quote]Wrong again. The Sustrans York-Selby path like all their paths, is intended for unsegregated, shared use. The majority of use is for leisure and there is generally extensive courtesy between different users. I've both given and received this when cycling along it. As for the Moss St. incident, we must perhaps await further information about the site of the collision, before condemning either party. As one commentator mentioned, there is a shared path with white line segregation, alongside Scarcroft school which emerges onto Moss St. It is possible that the pedestrian was crossing the end of this, as the cyclist emerged. If so then sight lines and calming measures may need to be reconsidered. My doppleganger PH has already been castigated for not commentating, then told to shut up when he did. I'll be very interested to see what statistics he comes up with. Meanwhile I've had a quick internet trawl. The following is typical. "In Great Britain, almost all of the 43 pedestrians killed and the majority of the 367 seriously injured on a footway or verge in 2010 were the result of being hit by motor vehicles". So next time a pedestrian in York is injured by a motor vehicle on the pavement, perhaps it will receive similar media prominence. My sympathy to Beryl and I condemn the action of the cyclist for not remaining at the scene. I hope that the Police can identify him and take appropriate action. pedalling paul
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9:53am Thu 9 Aug 12

Boadicea says...

Old_Man wrote:
In Norway the pavements are shared by cyclists and pedestrians as a matter of course. A cyclist using the road when there is a perfectly good pavement is likely to get themselves a loud hoot of the horn for their troubles.
This is Norway and not something we would want here. Pavements aren't intended, and should not be,for cyclists .
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: In Norway the pavements are shared by cyclists and pedestrians as a matter of course. A cyclist using the road when there is a perfectly good pavement is likely to get themselves a loud hoot of the horn for their troubles.[/p][/quote]This is Norway and not something we would want here. Pavements aren't intended, and should not be,for cyclists . Boadicea
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10:12am Thu 9 Aug 12

Alfredd-g says...

The York to Selby route was originally created for railway trains and not for either pedestrians, or cyclists. If Sustrans had given any real thought to creating it for both pedestrians and cyclists, it would have been made wider and had white lines painted down the middle of it. Who said that my dog was unrestrained and not on a lead? The basic problem is that the track is too narrow in places and that cyclists use it with scant regard for their own safety, or that of others. If it is mainly for the use of cyclists, why are there signs indicating that it is for shared use? I suppose that you are going to tell me that Sustrans paid for the path, or that it was funded by the V.A.T. paid when purchasing new cycles. Good Luck with proving that you are the victim when you run me, or my dog over. I reckon that if a car driver runs over a cyclist it's going to be fault of the car driver. When a cyclist runs over a pedestrian the cyclist will be at fault. Time to take out some third party insurance i.e. if you can afford the premium.
The York to Selby route was originally created for railway trains and not for either pedestrians, or cyclists. If Sustrans had given any real thought to creating it for both pedestrians and cyclists, it would have been made wider and had white lines painted down the middle of it. Who said that my dog was unrestrained and not on a lead? The basic problem is that the track is too narrow in places and that cyclists use it with scant regard for their own safety, or that of others. If it is mainly for the use of cyclists, why are there signs indicating that it is for shared use? I suppose that you are going to tell me that Sustrans paid for the path, or that it was funded by the V.A.T. paid when purchasing new cycles. Good Luck with proving that you are the victim when you run me, or my dog over. I reckon that if a car driver runs over a cyclist it's going to be fault of the car driver. When a cyclist runs over a pedestrian the cyclist will be at fault. Time to take out some third party insurance i.e. if you can afford the premium. Alfredd-g
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10:14am Thu 9 Aug 12

bolero says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
Alfredd-g wrote: These people are complete and utter morons and will only be spurred on by the likes of Bradley Wiggins and his friends at the Olympic Games. They should be made to carry licence plates and third party insurance. As a pedestrian on the York to Selby footpath / cycle track, I have experienced several bad moments, with cyclists threatening to run both myself and my dog over. The path is for the shared enjoyment of pedestrians and cyclists. If you want to live dangerously, go and play with the lorries on the A19, please.
Errrmmmmmm... the york to selby route was created by a CYCLING organisation for a safe route between york and selby to CYCLE along. The fact you and your dog can walk there is just a byproduct that happenes to be beneficial to you. I suggest you do your homework before making stupid comments on here... And I also suggest when you're walking along there with your dog that (A) you stick to ONE SIDE of the route, and (B) you keep your dog ON A LEAD... you wouldn't let your dog run lose if you were walking beside the A19, so why would anybody do the same thing on the cycling equivalent route? The same thing happens on several other routes that were built primarily for cyclists whereby cyclists often encounter people walking dogs that are not on leads and not under the owners control... and let me tell you know, if I came off my bike due to a collision with an unrestrained dog whilst riding along a designated cycle route, it would be you I'd be going after compensation for injuries and a damaged bike. If you stick to one side with your dog on a lead then you have nothing to fear... a single pedestrian walking along the route is easy to go past, a pedestrian with an unrestrained dog is another matter.
Wrong again. The Sustrans York-Selby path like all their paths, is intended for unsegregated, shared use. The majority of use is for leisure and there is generally extensive courtesy between different users. I've both given and received this when cycling along it. As for the Moss St. incident, we must perhaps await further information about the site of the collision, before condemning either party. As one commentator mentioned, there is a shared path with white line segregation, alongside Scarcroft school which emerges onto Moss St. It is possible that the pedestrian was crossing the end of this, as the cyclist emerged. If so then sight lines and calming measures may need to be reconsidered. My doppleganger PH has already been castigated for not commentating, then told to shut up when he did. I'll be very interested to see what statistics he comes up with. Meanwhile I've had a quick internet trawl. The following is typical. "In Great Britain, almost all of the 43 pedestrians killed and the majority of the 367 seriously injured on a footway or verge in 2010 were the result of being hit by motor vehicles". So next time a pedestrian in York is injured by a motor vehicle on the pavement, perhaps it will receive similar media prominence. My sympathy to Beryl and I condemn the action of the cyclist for not remaining at the scene. I hope that the Police can identify him and take appropriate action.
Doppleganger my foot. One and the same.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfredd-g[/bold] wrote: These people are complete and utter morons and will only be spurred on by the likes of Bradley Wiggins and his friends at the Olympic Games. They should be made to carry licence plates and third party insurance. As a pedestrian on the York to Selby footpath / cycle track, I have experienced several bad moments, with cyclists threatening to run both myself and my dog over. The path is for the shared enjoyment of pedestrians and cyclists. If you want to live dangerously, go and play with the lorries on the A19, please.[/p][/quote]Errrmmmmmm... the york to selby route was created by a CYCLING organisation for a safe route between york and selby to CYCLE along. The fact you and your dog can walk there is just a byproduct that happenes to be beneficial to you. I suggest you do your homework before making stupid comments on here... And I also suggest when you're walking along there with your dog that (A) you stick to ONE SIDE of the route, and (B) you keep your dog ON A LEAD... you wouldn't let your dog run lose if you were walking beside the A19, so why would anybody do the same thing on the cycling equivalent route? The same thing happens on several other routes that were built primarily for cyclists whereby cyclists often encounter people walking dogs that are not on leads and not under the owners control... and let me tell you know, if I came off my bike due to a collision with an unrestrained dog whilst riding along a designated cycle route, it would be you I'd be going after compensation for injuries and a damaged bike. If you stick to one side with your dog on a lead then you have nothing to fear... a single pedestrian walking along the route is easy to go past, a pedestrian with an unrestrained dog is another matter.[/p][/quote]Wrong again. The Sustrans York-Selby path like all their paths, is intended for unsegregated, shared use. The majority of use is for leisure and there is generally extensive courtesy between different users. I've both given and received this when cycling along it. As for the Moss St. incident, we must perhaps await further information about the site of the collision, before condemning either party. As one commentator mentioned, there is a shared path with white line segregation, alongside Scarcroft school which emerges onto Moss St. It is possible that the pedestrian was crossing the end of this, as the cyclist emerged. If so then sight lines and calming measures may need to be reconsidered. My doppleganger PH has already been castigated for not commentating, then told to shut up when he did. I'll be very interested to see what statistics he comes up with. Meanwhile I've had a quick internet trawl. The following is typical. "In Great Britain, almost all of the 43 pedestrians killed and the majority of the 367 seriously injured on a footway or verge in 2010 were the result of being hit by motor vehicles". So next time a pedestrian in York is injured by a motor vehicle on the pavement, perhaps it will receive similar media prominence. My sympathy to Beryl and I condemn the action of the cyclist for not remaining at the scene. I hope that the Police can identify him and take appropriate action.[/p][/quote]Doppleganger my foot. One and the same. bolero
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11:18am Thu 9 Aug 12

YSTClinguist says...

If people are going to bring the Sustrans and shared path networks into the conversation then it merely exposes how it is human error, lack of education and general lack of community feeling that is at fault here, not the form of transport involved.

As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control.

Walkers, couples and families, go down the Sustrans walking side by side, leaving no space for people to get past. Ringing my bell has similar results to the dog situation, with those who hear the bell (and maybe reacting personally) failing to inform their family and friends who haven't heard, seemingly willing to stand back and watch an accident unfurl.

But as a walker, on most pedestrian walkways round York, people walk side by side in groups and run you down, brushing your arm, or slamming into your chest. This is not about cyclists or car drivers, this is about human beings and incompetence, lack of education, common sense and ultimately community feeling.

I grew up in environments where we were taught road safety via the Green Cross Code, Tufty Club, and other systems dependent on the country lived in. This included things like, "walk on the side of the pavement facing the oncoming traffic, exceptions being when passing the young, old or vulnerable" So why do a vast majority of people push people next to the edge of the road resulting in their backs to the traffic? Why do all the other problems happen? Why has so few got so little respect for others in our community? This perhaps explains why so many come on these commentable stories spitting venom at others. It's a sign of their personal lacking, their shame.
If people are going to bring the Sustrans and shared path networks into the conversation then it merely exposes how it is human error, lack of education and general lack of community feeling that is at fault here, not the form of transport involved. As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control. Walkers, couples and families, go down the Sustrans walking side by side, leaving no space for people to get past. Ringing my bell has similar results to the dog situation, with those who hear the bell (and maybe reacting personally) failing to inform their family and friends who haven't heard, seemingly willing to stand back and watch an accident unfurl. But as a walker, on most pedestrian walkways round York, people walk side by side in groups and run you down, brushing your arm, or slamming into your chest. This is not about cyclists or car drivers, this is about human beings and incompetence, lack of education, common sense and ultimately community feeling. I grew up in environments where we were taught road safety via the Green Cross Code, Tufty Club, and other systems dependent on the country lived in. This included things like, "walk on the side of the pavement facing the oncoming traffic, exceptions being when passing the young, old or vulnerable" So why do a vast majority of people push people next to the edge of the road resulting in their backs to the traffic? Why do all the other problems happen? Why has so few got so little respect for others in our community? This perhaps explains why so many come on these commentable stories spitting venom at others. It's a sign of their personal lacking, their shame. YSTClinguist
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11:26am Thu 9 Aug 12

NickPheas says...

"As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control."

Really? We must go at different times of the day then. The vast bulk of times I'm using the paths I find dog walkes will be taking control of their animals long before I've had any need to ring a bell. When I do need to ring a bell then they'll take hold of the collar and hold it at the side as I go past. Dog walkers are no more keen on my running their pets down than I am.
"As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control." Really? We must go at different times of the day then. The vast bulk of times I'm using the paths I find dog walkes will be taking control of their animals long before I've had any need to ring a bell. When I do need to ring a bell then they'll take hold of the collar and hold it at the side as I go past. Dog walkers are no more keen on my running their pets down than I am. NickPheas
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11:40am Thu 9 Aug 12

bolero says...

NickPheas wrote:
"As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control." Really? We must go at different times of the day then. The vast bulk of times I'm using the paths I find dog walkes will be taking control of their animals long before I've had any need to ring a bell. When I do need to ring a bell then they'll take hold of the collar and hold it at the side as I go past. Dog walkers are no more keen on my running their pets down than I am.
You must possess the only bicycle bell in York.
[quote][p][bold]NickPheas[/bold] wrote: "As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control." Really? We must go at different times of the day then. The vast bulk of times I'm using the paths I find dog walkes will be taking control of their animals long before I've had any need to ring a bell. When I do need to ring a bell then they'll take hold of the collar and hold it at the side as I go past. Dog walkers are no more keen on my running their pets down than I am.[/p][/quote]You must possess the only bicycle bell in York. bolero
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12:32pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

lezyork says...
I have rode on paths, I Still do every day, theres a lovely wide one near me that could have been split into half path half cycle and the locals have used it that way for years, at least the 20 i have lived here, with no issues, but I guess they had a white paint shortage, as plod will do you for it.... or try, if they can catch you...
Oh and dont no one say I have no respect for the law, its not a law, its a statute I believe... and those i dont choose to live by.

Well there you are, proves my point about the criminal mentality of far too many cyclists. Not a law it's a statute? - Very limited intelligence as well, most laws are statutes and obeying them is not something we have an option over. The law on this matter is easily found here.
Rule 64 Highway Code
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 as amended by Section 85 (1) of the Local Government Act 1888
And another gem from lezyork -
I choose to live my life my way, if that makes me of limited intelligence or a criminal, do i care? not really, theres more to life than following rules i never signed up for.
I live by the simpler common laws of the land, dont do harm or cause distress or loss etc, if i cycle on the grey bit of tarmac instead of the red, and dont hit a nun, wheres the distress harm or loss??
better lock all the locals up round here who do the same on this double width path to keep you sheep minded people safe.

This is what we are up against, and why it's about time the police took firm action against cyclists and earned their wages.
[quote]lezyork says... I have rode on paths, I Still do every day, theres a lovely wide one near me that could have been split into half path half cycle and the locals have used it that way for years, at least the 20 i have lived here, with no issues, but I guess they had a white paint shortage, as plod will do you for it.... or try, if they can catch you... Oh and dont no one say I have no respect for the law, its not a law, its a statute I believe... and those i dont choose to live by.[/quote] Well there you are, proves my point about the criminal mentality of far too many cyclists. Not a law it's a statute? - Very limited intelligence as well, most laws are statutes and obeying them is not something we have an option over. The law on this matter is easily found here. Rule 64 Highway Code You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement. Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 as amended by Section 85 (1) of the Local Government Act 1888 And another gem from lezyork - [quote]I choose to live my life my way, if that makes me of limited intelligence or a criminal, do i care? not really, theres more to life than following rules i never signed up for. I live by the simpler common laws of the land, dont do harm or cause distress or loss etc, if i cycle on the grey bit of tarmac instead of the red, and dont hit a nun, wheres the distress harm or loss?? better lock all the locals up round here who do the same on this double width path to keep you sheep minded people safe.[/quote] This is what we are up against, and why it's about time the police took firm action against cyclists and earned their wages. Sillybillies
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12:41pm Thu 9 Aug 12

YSTClinguist says...

bolero wrote:
NickPheas wrote:
"As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control." Really? We must go at different times of the day then. The vast bulk of times I'm using the paths I find dog walkes will be taking control of their animals long before I've had any need to ring a bell. When I do need to ring a bell then they'll take hold of the collar and hold it at the side as I go past. Dog walkers are no more keen on my running their pets down than I am.
You must possess the only bicycle bell in York.
@NickPheas, it's interesting you post a statement about seeing the reverse of what I do, and that @Bolero is surprised I have a functioning bell fitted. I must concede on the weight of these rebuttals that I must therefore be lying (something I might add, that I'm known, to my pride within my circles, for NOT doing) I can only hope more witnesses with come forward to submit their experiences which will aid in clearing me. But then whenever a cycling story appears, it is burning torches, pitchforks and kangaroo court time. Maybe you've been allowing that buffoon Clarkson to swerve your reasoning, particular when he told one cyclist, "listen if you just work hard you can have a car." I think the odds were that the cyclist had Clarkson's belly though.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickPheas[/bold] wrote: "As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control." Really? We must go at different times of the day then. The vast bulk of times I'm using the paths I find dog walkes will be taking control of their animals long before I've had any need to ring a bell. When I do need to ring a bell then they'll take hold of the collar and hold it at the side as I go past. Dog walkers are no more keen on my running their pets down than I am.[/p][/quote]You must possess the only bicycle bell in York.[/p][/quote]@NickPheas, it's interesting you post a statement about seeing the reverse of what I do, and that @Bolero is surprised I have a functioning bell fitted. I must concede on the weight of these rebuttals that I must therefore be lying (something I might add, that I'm known, to my pride within my circles, for NOT doing) I can only hope more witnesses with come forward to submit their experiences which will aid in clearing me. But then whenever a cycling story appears, it is burning torches, pitchforks and kangaroo court time. Maybe you've been allowing that buffoon Clarkson to swerve your reasoning, particular when he told one cyclist, "listen if you just work hard you can have a car." I think the odds were that the cyclist had Clarkson's belly though. YSTClinguist
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1:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

bolero wrote:
NickPheas wrote: "As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control." Really? We must go at different times of the day then. The vast bulk of times I'm using the paths I find dog walkes will be taking control of their animals long before I've had any need to ring a bell. When I do need to ring a bell then they'll take hold of the collar and hold it at the side as I go past. Dog walkers are no more keen on my running their pets down than I am.
You must possess the only bicycle bell in York.
You're just prejudiced.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Ring your bell and you get "What did you get for christmas?" "Shove that up your ****"
So you don't ring it and you get shouted at "Why don't you use your bell, idiot?"
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickPheas[/bold] wrote: "As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control." Really? We must go at different times of the day then. The vast bulk of times I'm using the paths I find dog walkes will be taking control of their animals long before I've had any need to ring a bell. When I do need to ring a bell then they'll take hold of the collar and hold it at the side as I go past. Dog walkers are no more keen on my running their pets down than I am.[/p][/quote]You must possess the only bicycle bell in York.[/p][/quote]You're just prejudiced. I've said it before and I'll say it again - you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Ring your bell and you get "What did you get for christmas?" "Shove that up your ****" So you don't ring it and you get shouted at "Why don't you use your bell, idiot?" Buzz Light-year
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1:10pm Thu 9 Aug 12

YSTClinguist says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
bolero wrote:
NickPheas wrote: "As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control." Really? We must go at different times of the day then. The vast bulk of times I'm using the paths I find dog walkes will be taking control of their animals long before I've had any need to ring a bell. When I do need to ring a bell then they'll take hold of the collar and hold it at the side as I go past. Dog walkers are no more keen on my running their pets down than I am.
You must possess the only bicycle bell in York.
You're just prejudiced.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Ring your bell and you get "What did you get for christmas?" "Shove that up your ****"
So you don't ring it and you get shouted at "Why don't you use your bell, idiot?"
I got shouted at in an annoying voice by a driver the other day who was trying to turn right onto a main road. They looked my way (their right), then looked left (for far too long) whilst I then signalled and manoeuvred correctly, dropping my arm to brake safely (was going down a hill) to make my right turn off safely. Apparently I hadn't signalled, because the driver wasn't being observant enough. Maybe that driver is now on this site condemning cyclists because of that incident. Who knows.....
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickPheas[/bold] wrote: "As a cyclist I can ride down the Sustrans to find MOST dog walkers with their dogs off the lead, zig zagging across the Sustrans, and ringing my bell may or may not get the owners attention, but very rarely produces a response to get the dog under control." Really? We must go at different times of the day then. The vast bulk of times I'm using the paths I find dog walkes will be taking control of their animals long before I've had any need to ring a bell. When I do need to ring a bell then they'll take hold of the collar and hold it at the side as I go past. Dog walkers are no more keen on my running their pets down than I am.[/p][/quote]You must possess the only bicycle bell in York.[/p][/quote]You're just prejudiced. I've said it before and I'll say it again - you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Ring your bell and you get "What did you get for christmas?" "Shove that up your ****" So you don't ring it and you get shouted at "Why don't you use your bell, idiot?"[/p][/quote]I got shouted at in an annoying voice by a driver the other day who was trying to turn right onto a main road. They looked my way (their right), then looked left (for far too long) whilst I then signalled and manoeuvred correctly, dropping my arm to brake safely (was going down a hill) to make my right turn off safely. Apparently I hadn't signalled, because the driver wasn't being observant enough. Maybe that driver is now on this site condemning cyclists because of that incident. Who knows..... YSTClinguist
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1:11pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/9843759.
Car_driver__15___arr
ested_after_cyclist_
is_hurt/


Wonder why this story didn't provoke as much outrage?

What to do?
Should we force all 15 year-olds to have licences and insurance?
Should we force all drunks to have licences?
Are all 15 year-olds a menace that we need to take out our misplaced frustration on?
All drunks?
All cars driven by drunk teenagers should have number plates attached, that should prevent any further... oh wait.

Anyone see what I'm getting at?

The kid here who knocked the old lady over deserves the book throwing at him for not even saying sorry and stepping off. Disgusting coward.

His cowardice doesn't mean I deserve to have my character and my roadcraft slandered by a bunch of angry frustrated wannabe vigilantes.



Definite hate/ prejudice against perfectly innocent people who ride bikes on these pages. Funny how the same names come up again and again.
[quote]http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9843759. Car_driver__15___arr ested_after_cyclist_ is_hurt/[/quote] Wonder why this story didn't provoke as much outrage? What to do? Should we force all 15 year-olds to have licences and insurance? Should we force all drunks to have licences? Are all 15 year-olds a menace that we need to take out our misplaced frustration on? All drunks? All cars driven by drunk teenagers should have number plates attached, that should prevent any further... oh wait. Anyone see what I'm getting at? The kid here who knocked the old lady over deserves the book throwing at him for not even saying sorry and stepping off. Disgusting coward. His cowardice doesn't mean I deserve to have my character and my roadcraft slandered by a bunch of angry frustrated wannabe vigilantes. Definite hate/ prejudice against perfectly innocent people who ride bikes on these pages. Funny how the same names come up again and again. Buzz Light-year
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1:18pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mr Udigawa says...

Note to sb, go and have a read of the "humbled by speed awareness course" letter then perhaps we can start having a balanced rational discussion.
Note to sb, go and have a read of the "humbled by speed awareness course" letter then perhaps we can start having a balanced rational discussion. Mr Udigawa
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1:51pm Thu 9 Aug 12

monkeyhanger says...

May I quote paragraph 1 section 2 of the 1978 roads and highways Act as amended "Cycling on a pavement or non cycle lane is an offence punishible by up to 5 years in prison.
Pity more folk dont take heed of the laws of the land.
May I quote paragraph 1 section 2 of the 1978 roads and highways Act as amended "Cycling on a pavement or non cycle lane is an offence punishible by up to 5 years in prison. Pity more folk dont take heed of the laws of the land. monkeyhanger
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1:53pm Thu 9 Aug 12

meme says...

why the hatred form lots of people!
I cycle drive and rid a motorbike. I actually cycle a lot and its all about common sense and courtesy to everyone else including car drives
I cannot recall ever shouting/being shouted at by anyone when riding/driving as i pay atrention and take a common sense attitude.
People have dogs on cycle tracks and it does not annoy me that they are not on a lead.......... you just take extra care
Sometimes you feel a bit guilty about ringing the bell but the secret is to ring it well in advance rather than shock people. If you ride on a wide pavement give way to pedestrians..its all common sense
We should all grow up and learn to live and let live
However i do have some sympathy with the argument that if cyclists want all these special facilities there should be a way of making them contribute financially to them as its not right that non cyclists pay most of the money yet never use them?
why the hatred form lots of people! I cycle drive and rid a motorbike. I actually cycle a lot and its all about common sense and courtesy to everyone else including car drives [and vice versa] I cannot recall ever shouting/being shouted at by anyone when riding/driving as i pay atrention and take a common sense attitude. People have dogs on cycle tracks and it does not annoy me that they are not on a lead.......... you just take extra care Sometimes you feel a bit guilty about ringing the bell but the secret is to ring it well in advance rather than shock people. If you ride on a wide pavement give way to pedestrians..its all common sense We should all grow up and learn to live and let live However i do have some sympathy with the argument that if cyclists want all these special facilities there should be a way of making them contribute financially to them [even though I cycle a lot] as its not right that non cyclists pay most of the money yet never use them? meme
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2:09pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Boadicea says...

It isn't the cyclists that obey the law that are doing anything wrong, its the ones that cycle on footpaths and there are plenty of them. I rarely go out when I dont see one or more of them.
It isn't the cyclists that obey the law that are doing anything wrong, its the ones that cycle on footpaths and there are plenty of them. I rarely go out when I dont see one or more of them. Boadicea
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2:21pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Fifth attempt says...

I hope Mrs Hall makes a speedy recovery and the police find the cyclist who did this and suitably punishes him.

The roads / footpaths would be a much safer place if everyone respected each other.

Motor vehicles should keep to their own lanes on roads and not use the designated cycle lanes. They should approach traffic lights at a normal speed and not suddenly speed up to catch a green light.

ALL cyclists should stop red lights, don’t ride on pavements (unless there is a cycle lane painted on it).

Pedestrians – learn how to cross a road, look before you step out and not after, when it’s too late, Don’t assume all streets in the city centre are pedestrianized (Deangate, Goodramgate, etc) and don’t just step on the road to overtake other pedestrians on busy streets – it’s usually in the path of a cyclist who then has to swerve into traffic.

We’re all guilty of one of the above.
I hope Mrs Hall makes a speedy recovery and the police find the cyclist who did this and suitably punishes him. The roads / footpaths would be a much safer place if everyone respected each other. Motor vehicles should keep to their own lanes on roads and not use the designated cycle lanes. They should approach traffic lights at a normal speed and not suddenly speed up to catch a green light. ALL cyclists should stop red lights, don’t ride on pavements (unless there is a cycle lane painted on it). Pedestrians – learn how to cross a road, look before you step out and not after, when it’s too late, Don’t assume all streets in the city centre are pedestrianized (Deangate, Goodramgate, etc) and don’t just step on the road to overtake other pedestrians on busy streets – it’s usually in the path of a cyclist who then has to swerve into traffic. We’re all guilty of one of the above. Fifth attempt
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3:11pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

Buzz Light-year says...
1:11pm Thu 9 Aug 12

http://www.yorkpress

.co.uk/news/9843759.

Car_driver__15___arr

ested_after_cyclist_

is_hurt/


Wonder why this story didn't provoke as much outrage?

Comments weren't allowed because court proceedings are pending. Might be the case here if bikes had number plates and were identifiable.
What to do?
Should we force all 15 year-olds .... etc etc ........
Anyone see what I'm getting at?

Nope!
Boadicea says...
2:09pm Thu 9 Aug 12
It isn't the cyclists that obey the law that are doing anything wrong, its the ones that cycle on footpaths and there are plenty of them. I rarely go out when I dont see one or more of them.

I agree, and you missed off the small number who actually stop at traffic lights and have legal lights on a night. They are OK too.
[quote]Buzz Light-year says... 1:11pm Thu 9 Aug 12 http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9843759. Car_driver__15___arr ested_after_cyclist_ is_hurt/ Wonder why this story didn't provoke as much outrage?[/quote] Comments weren't allowed because court proceedings are pending. Might be the case here if bikes had number plates and were identifiable. [quote]What to do? Should we force all 15 year-olds .... etc etc ........ Anyone see what I'm getting at?[/quote] Nope! [quote]Boadicea says... 2:09pm Thu 9 Aug 12 It isn't the cyclists that obey the law that are doing anything wrong, its the ones that cycle on footpaths and there are plenty of them. I rarely go out when I dont see one or more of them.[/quote] I agree, and you missed off the small number who actually stop at traffic lights and have legal lights on a night. They are OK too. Sillybillies
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3:22pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

It's not just in York that cyclists are somewhat unpopular. In London it's so bad that Ken Livingstone wanted to make bike plates compulsory.

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/9124712.Dad_angry
_after_cyclist_hit_g
irl__5__on_pavement/
?ref=rss
It's not just in York that cyclists are somewhat unpopular. In London it's so bad that Ken Livingstone wanted to make bike plates compulsory. http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/9124712.Dad_angry _after_cyclist_hit_g irl__5__on_pavement/ ?ref=rss Sillybillies
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3:24pm Thu 9 Aug 12

yorkshirelad says...

Compare the comments here to the comments you might get when a car driver does something stupid and causes carnage.

The difference is that, even with a very rare event like this, some people try to blame it on 'cyclists'. But do you also rant at 'motorists' when someone kills or seriously injures on the roads.

Even thoughdriver law breaking and the consequences of it are much, much, more serious and much much more common than that by cyclist, it's still cyclists that get the bad press. Perhaps we can have the face of the next victim of speeding as a full front page on The Press?

The reason for the differing treatment between the two groups is simple - prejudice.

The incident is appalling and I hope the culprit is dealt with. It has absolutely nothing to do with the vast majority of York's cyclists who, day-in, day-out...obey the laws and respect others and are all too often themselves victims of lack of respect from drivers.
Compare the comments here to the comments you might get when a car driver does something stupid and causes carnage. The difference is that, even with a very rare event like this, some people try to blame it on 'cyclists'. But do you also rant at 'motorists' when someone kills or seriously injures on the roads. Even thoughdriver law breaking and the consequences of it are much, much, more serious and much much more common than that by cyclist, it's still cyclists that get the bad press. Perhaps we can have the face of the next victim of speeding as a full front page on The Press? The reason for the differing treatment between the two groups is simple - prejudice. The incident is appalling and I hope the culprit is dealt with. It has absolutely nothing to do with the vast majority of York's cyclists who, day-in, day-out...obey the laws and respect others and are all too often themselves victims of lack of respect from drivers. yorkshirelad
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3:31pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mr Udigawa says...

Thanks goodness the common sense comments like the one above are now starting to outweigh the sweeping generalisations of some of the hard core anti-cyclist posters.
I asked sb to get involved in another story on the letters page today but so far he/she hasn't responded (predictably).
Thanks goodness the common sense comments like the one above are now starting to outweigh the sweeping generalisations of some of the hard core anti-cyclist posters. I asked sb to get involved in another story on the letters page today but so far he/she hasn't responded (predictably). Mr Udigawa
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3:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Buzz Light-year says... 1:11pm Thu 9 Aug 12 http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9843759. Car_driver__15___arr ested_after_cyclist_ is_hurt/ Wonder why this story didn't provoke as much outrage?
Comments weren't allowed because court proceedings are pending. Might be the case here if bikes had number plates and were identifiable.
What to do? Should we force all 15 year-olds .... etc etc ........ Anyone see what I'm getting at?
Nope!
Boadicea says... 2:09pm Thu 9 Aug 12 It isn't the cyclists that obey the law that are doing anything wrong, its the ones that cycle on footpaths and there are plenty of them. I rarely go out when I dont see one or more of them.
I agree, and you missed off the small number who actually stop at traffic lights and have legal lights on a night. They are OK too.
Sillybillies - Please don't engage my posts.
You are incapable of sensible debate on this subject, last time you resorted to chasing me round the site reporting my unrelated and innocuous comments.

I don't want to be part of that petty immature stuff, really.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]Buzz Light-year says... 1:11pm Thu 9 Aug 12 http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9843759. Car_driver__15___arr ested_after_cyclist_ is_hurt/ Wonder why this story didn't provoke as much outrage?[/quote] Comments weren't allowed because court proceedings are pending. Might be the case here if bikes had number plates and were identifiable. [quote]What to do? Should we force all 15 year-olds .... etc etc ........ Anyone see what I'm getting at?[/quote] Nope! [quote]Boadicea says... 2:09pm Thu 9 Aug 12 It isn't the cyclists that obey the law that are doing anything wrong, its the ones that cycle on footpaths and there are plenty of them. I rarely go out when I dont see one or more of them.[/quote] I agree, and you missed off the small number who actually stop at traffic lights and have legal lights on a night. They are OK too.[/p][/quote]Sillybillies - Please don't engage my posts. You are incapable of sensible debate on this subject, last time you resorted to chasing me round the site reporting my unrelated and innocuous comments. I don't want to be part of that petty immature stuff, really. Buzz Light-year
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4:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12

bolero says...

`yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.
`yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk. bolero
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4:17pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mr Udigawa says...

bolero wrote:
`yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.
You bring about as much to the debate as sb & spirit of york.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.[/p][/quote]You bring about as much to the debate as sb & spirit of york. Mr Udigawa
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4:28pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

bolero says...
4:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12
`yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.

Correct.
Buzz Light-year says...
3:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12
Sillybillies - Please don't engage my posts.

Every time you attempt to defend the indefensible I will.
[quote]bolero says... 4:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12 `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.[/quote] Correct. [quote]Buzz Light-year says... 3:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12 Sillybillies - Please don't engage my posts.[/quote] Every time you attempt to defend the indefensible I will. Sillybillies
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4:42pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mr Udigawa says...

Sillybillies wrote:
bolero says... 4:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12 `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.
Correct.
Buzz Light-year says... 3:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12 Sillybillies - Please don't engage my posts.
Every time you attempt to defend the indefensible I will.
sb, when are you going to start debating like an adult? Can you point out where BL has attempted to defend the indefensible please? From what I've read on this topic his posts are always well balanced and reasonable, same with Yorkboy60.
What is it with you and the pushbikes?
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]bolero says... 4:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12 `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.[/quote] Correct. [quote]Buzz Light-year says... 3:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12 Sillybillies - Please don't engage my posts.[/quote] Every time you attempt to defend the indefensible I will.[/p][/quote]sb, when are you going to start debating like an adult? Can you point out where BL has attempted to defend the indefensible please? From what I've read on this topic his posts are always well balanced and reasonable, same with Yorkboy60. What is it with you and the pushbikes? Mr Udigawa
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5:46pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Sillybillies wrote:
bolero says... 4:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12 `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.
Correct.
Buzz Light-year says... 3:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12 Sillybillies - Please don't engage my posts.
Every time you attempt to defend the indefensible I will.
Feel free to quote me where I do that SB.

I believe my words were:
Buzz Light-year wrote
The kid here who knocked the old lady over deserves the book throwing at him for not even saying sorry and stepping off. Disgusting coward.



You are prepared to post falsehoods here and maliciously report other users' posts in what can only be described as a revenge attack.

I'm politely asking you not to engage with me.

Buzz Light-year wrote
I have learnt the futility of trying to reason with prejudice.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]bolero says... 4:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12 `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.[/quote] Correct. [quote]Buzz Light-year says... 3:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12 Sillybillies - Please don't engage my posts.[/quote] Every time you attempt to defend the indefensible I will.[/p][/quote]Feel free to quote me where I do that SB. I believe my words were: [quote]Buzz Light-year wrote The kid here who knocked the old lady over deserves the book throwing at him for not even saying sorry and stepping off. Disgusting coward.[/quote] You are prepared to post falsehoods here and maliciously report other users' posts in what can only be described as a revenge attack. I'm politely asking you not to engage with me. [quote]Buzz Light-year wrote I have learnt the futility of trying to reason with prejudice.[/quote] Buzz Light-year
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5:55pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

At 4.58 this afternoon I was waiting at the lights on Lawrence St.
We got green but a taxi - yellow plate number 28 - went through the red and cut across us
The cyclist in front of me told him he had just gone through a red light and the driver rudely gave him two fingers.

This is an example of cyclists waiting at the lights and a driver going through on red.
It happens everyday at these lights.
At 4.58 this afternoon I was waiting at the lights on Lawrence St. We got green but [bold]a taxi - yellow plate number 28 - went through the red and cut across us[/bold] The cyclist in front of me told him he had just gone through a red light and the driver rudely gave him two fingers. This is an example of cyclists waiting at the lights and a driver going through on red. It happens everyday at these lights. Buzz Light-year
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5:58pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

So not only does the taxi have a number plate but also an easily identifiable taxi plate and they can still behave so badly with seeming impunity.

Still want to make cyclists have a plate anyone?
So not only does the taxi have a number plate but also an easily identifiable taxi plate and they can still behave so badly with seeming impunity. Still want to make cyclists have a plate anyone? Buzz Light-year
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8:29pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

sb, when are you going to start debating like an adult? ....
...What is it with you and the push-bikes?

The problem you have with me is that I shoot straight and hit the target every time. I research my comments and justify them, whilst all you can do is make personal attacks and innuendos.

At the same time I do get a lot of support, and don't forget the many who read my comments and don't comment. I'm very sure that the majority of them also agree with me. Let's face it they've all seen cyclists going through traffic lights at red, riding on pavements and not having lights on a night, plus exhibiting absolutely no road sense, and been infuriated by congestion causing cycle lanes and green boxes for very few cyclists.
[quote]sb, when are you going to start debating like an adult? .... ...What is it with you and the push-bikes?[/quote] The problem you have with me is that I shoot straight and hit the target every time. I research my comments and justify them, whilst all you can do is make personal attacks and innuendos. At the same time I do get a lot of support, and don't forget the many who read my comments and don't comment. I'm very sure that the majority of them also agree with me. Let's face it they've all seen cyclists going through traffic lights at red, riding on pavements and not having lights on a night, plus exhibiting absolutely no road sense, and been infuriated by congestion causing cycle lanes and green boxes for very few cyclists. Sillybillies
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9:28pm Thu 9 Aug 12

YSTClinguist says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
At 4.58 this afternoon I was waiting at the lights on Lawrence St.
We got green but a taxi - yellow plate number 28 - went through the red and cut across us
The cyclist in front of me told him he had just gone through a red light and the driver rudely gave him two fingers.

This is an example of cyclists waiting at the lights and a driver going through on red.
It happens everyday at these lights.
As a pedestrian using the lighted crossing from Budgens to Reflex on George Hudson Street there is also a very, very frequent problem, with all sorts of vehicles, but particularly buses, coming from town and turning into George Hudson Street shooting the red light just as pedestrians go to step and cross with the green man. You couldn't get a larger vehicle with a large, visible number on it and still they break the law and risk everyone's lives.

Between the two locations maybe they could fit cameras and make enough in fines to finance the next traffic management system.
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: At 4.58 this afternoon I was waiting at the lights on Lawrence St. We got green but [bold]a taxi - yellow plate number 28 - went through the red and cut across us[/bold] The cyclist in front of me told him he had just gone through a red light and the driver rudely gave him two fingers. This is an example of cyclists waiting at the lights and a driver going through on red. It happens everyday at these lights.[/p][/quote]As a pedestrian using the lighted crossing from Budgens to Reflex on George Hudson Street there is also a very, very frequent problem, with all sorts of vehicles, but particularly buses, coming from town and turning into George Hudson Street shooting the red light just as pedestrians go to step and cross with the green man. You couldn't get a larger vehicle with a large, visible number on it and still they break the law and risk everyone's lives. Between the two locations maybe they could fit cameras and make enough in fines to finance the next traffic management system. YSTClinguist
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9:30pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Digeorge says...

Sillybillies says...

You are not judge and jury to every single thing that is written either by Buzz Light-Year or me.

This is rather stupid. Buzz Light-Year can just as well comment on this thread as others.

Actually, on the subject of another case in question that has been reported of late, the relevant individual is actually getting the relevant support from a certain individual that posts here and the case is being thoroughly 'researched' and alternative diagnosis made. So, OK I lost it but when the medical facts will be out fully, the public will see.
Sillybillies says... You are not judge and jury to every single thing that is written either by Buzz Light-Year or me. This is rather stupid. Buzz Light-Year can just as well comment on this thread as others. Actually, on the subject of another case in question that has been reported of late, the relevant individual is actually getting the relevant support from a certain individual that posts here and the case is being thoroughly 'researched' and alternative diagnosis made. So, OK I lost it but when the medical facts will be out fully, the public will see. Digeorge
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10:07pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

Actually, on the subject of another case in question that has been reported of late, the relevant individual is actually getting the relevant support from a certain individual that posts here and the case is being thoroughly 'researched' and alternative diagnosis made. So, OK I lost it but when the medical facts will be out fully, the public will see.

What on earth are you on about?
[quote]Actually, on the subject of another case in question that has been reported of late, the relevant individual is actually getting the relevant support from a certain individual that posts here and the case is being thoroughly 'researched' and alternative diagnosis made. So, OK I lost it but when the medical facts will be out fully, the public will see.[/quote] What on earth are you on about? Sillybillies
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11:22pm Thu 9 Aug 12

lokifromyork says...

It is interesting that Mrs Hall has stopped being the subject of this article is it not?


I do hope she is getting better?
It is interesting that Mrs Hall has stopped being the subject of this article is it not? I do hope she is getting better? lokifromyork
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7:08am Fri 10 Aug 12

Dennis.Dart says...

enough of the cycle bashing, this incident was commited by vile scum.
1) tracksuited chav low-life, giro jockey scum,
2) Bag head on a bike,
which ever it were. pure evil low life bottom feeding scum
enough of the cycle bashing, this incident was commited by vile scum. 1) tracksuited chav low-life, giro jockey scum, 2) Bag head on a bike, which ever it were. pure evil low life bottom feeding scum Dennis.Dart
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7:44am Fri 10 Aug 12

Digeorge says...

Sillybillies says...

I think the whole thing looks stupid.

You made a comment here about 'researching' that actually I don't agree with and you commented 'the post has been deleted'. It is also to do with an ongoing case that has been on reported on the Press. I won't go onto details.

More importantly, I hope the lady soon gets better and they catch the individual concerned.
Sillybillies says... I think the whole thing looks stupid. You made a comment here about 'researching' that actually I don't agree with and you commented 'the post has been deleted'. It is also to do with an ongoing case that has been on reported on the Press. I won't go onto details. More importantly, I hope the lady soon gets better and they catch the individual concerned. Digeorge
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9:19am Fri 10 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

bolero wrote:
`yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.
which bit?

I honestly believe that some of you are having breakdowns in public to think that everybody who has ever got on a bike is a criminal and breaks laws.

Anyhoo, in reference to my earlier comment about you, you're the one who wrote those things, not me, so mabye you do have split personality. I really urge you to seek professional help at your earliest convenience.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.[/p][/quote]which bit? I honestly believe that some of you are having breakdowns in public to think that everybody who has ever got on a bike is a criminal and breaks laws. Anyhoo, in reference to my earlier comment about you, you're the one who wrote those things, not me, so mabye you do have split personality. I really urge you to seek professional help at your earliest convenience. yorkboy60
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9:22am Fri 10 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

Sillybillies wrote:
sb, when are you going to start debating like an adult? ....
...What is it with you and the push-bikes?

The problem you have with me is that I shoot straight and hit the target every time. I research my comments and justify them, whilst all you can do is make personal attacks and innuendos.

At the same time I do get a lot of support, and don't forget the many who read my comments and don't comment. I'm very sure that the majority of them also agree with me. Let's face it they've all seen cyclists going through traffic lights at red, riding on pavements and not having lights on a night, plus exhibiting absolutely no road sense, and been infuriated by congestion causing cycle lanes and green boxes for very few cyclists.
ok, let's look at this another way.

Yes, we've all seen cylists with no road sense, going through red lights etc.

This is a question directly for you - Have you ever seen car drivers go through red lights, swerving, being on pavements when they shouldn't be and exhibiting no road sense at at all?
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]sb, when are you going to start debating like an adult? .... ...What is it with you and the push-bikes?[/quote] The problem you have with me is that I shoot straight and hit the target every time. I research my comments and justify them, whilst all you can do is make personal attacks and innuendos. At the same time I do get a lot of support, and don't forget the many who read my comments and don't comment. I'm very sure that the majority of them also agree with me. Let's face it they've all seen cyclists going through traffic lights at red, riding on pavements and not having lights on a night, plus exhibiting absolutely no road sense, and been infuriated by congestion causing cycle lanes and green boxes for very few cyclists.[/p][/quote]ok, let's look at this another way. Yes, we've all seen cylists with no road sense, going through red lights etc. This is a question directly for you - Have you ever seen car drivers go through red lights, swerving, being on pavements when they shouldn't be and exhibiting no road sense at at all? yorkboy60
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9:24am Fri 10 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

and another question for sillybillies - if cylists were to be banned from the roads, do you honestly believe congestion would decrease?
and another question for sillybillies - if cylists were to be banned from the roads, do you honestly believe congestion would decrease? yorkboy60
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10:20am Fri 10 Aug 12

redchick says...

Old_Man wrote:
In Norway the pavements are shared by cyclists and pedestrians as a matter of course. A cyclist using the road when there is a perfectly good pavement is likely to get themselves a loud hoot of the horn for their troubles.
In case you hadn't noticed...we're not in Norway?
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: In Norway the pavements are shared by cyclists and pedestrians as a matter of course. A cyclist using the road when there is a perfectly good pavement is likely to get themselves a loud hoot of the horn for their troubles.[/p][/quote]In case you hadn't noticed...we're not in Norway? redchick
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10:27am Fri 10 Aug 12

Mr Udigawa says...

yorkboy60 wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
sb, when are you going to start debating like an adult? .... ...What is it with you and the push-bikes?
The problem you have with me is that I shoot straight and hit the target every time. I research my comments and justify them, whilst all you can do is make personal attacks and innuendos. At the same time I do get a lot of support, and don't forget the many who read my comments and don't comment. I'm very sure that the majority of them also agree with me. Let's face it they've all seen cyclists going through traffic lights at red, riding on pavements and not having lights on a night, plus exhibiting absolutely no road sense, and been infuriated by congestion causing cycle lanes and green boxes for very few cyclists.
ok, let's look at this another way. Yes, we've all seen cylists with no road sense, going through red lights etc. This is a question directly for you - Have you ever seen car drivers go through red lights, swerving, being on pavements when they shouldn't be and exhibiting no road sense at at all?
I genuinely believe he/she is a wind up merchant, nobody could repeatedly make such sweeping generalisations and expect them to be taken seriously, while conveniently ignoring any genuine attempts to engage them in a sensible debate.
I just find it sad that the mods allow it to continue despite my pointing it out to them on more than one occasion.
[quote][p][bold]yorkboy60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]sb, when are you going to start debating like an adult? .... ...What is it with you and the push-bikes?[/quote] The problem you have with me is that I shoot straight and hit the target every time. I research my comments and justify them, whilst all you can do is make personal attacks and innuendos. At the same time I do get a lot of support, and don't forget the many who read my comments and don't comment. I'm very sure that the majority of them also agree with me. Let's face it they've all seen cyclists going through traffic lights at red, riding on pavements and not having lights on a night, plus exhibiting absolutely no road sense, and been infuriated by congestion causing cycle lanes and green boxes for very few cyclists.[/p][/quote]ok, let's look at this another way. Yes, we've all seen cylists with no road sense, going through red lights etc. This is a question directly for you - Have you ever seen car drivers go through red lights, swerving, being on pavements when they shouldn't be and exhibiting no road sense at at all?[/p][/quote]I genuinely believe he/she is a wind up merchant, nobody could repeatedly make such sweeping generalisations and expect them to be taken seriously, while conveniently ignoring any genuine attempts to engage them in a sensible debate. I just find it sad that the mods allow it to continue despite my pointing it out to them on more than one occasion. Mr Udigawa
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11:12am Fri 10 Aug 12

bolero says...

yorkboy60 wrote:
bolero wrote: `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.
which bit? I honestly believe that some of you are having breakdowns in public to think that everybody who has ever got on a bike is a criminal and breaks laws. Anyhoo, in reference to my earlier comment about you, you're the one who wrote those things, not me, so mabye you do have split personality. I really urge you to seek professional help at your earliest convenience.
Every bit.
[quote][p][bold]yorkboy60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.[/p][/quote]which bit? I honestly believe that some of you are having breakdowns in public to think that everybody who has ever got on a bike is a criminal and breaks laws. Anyhoo, in reference to my earlier comment about you, you're the one who wrote those things, not me, so mabye you do have split personality. I really urge you to seek professional help at your earliest convenience.[/p][/quote]Every bit. bolero
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11:24am Fri 10 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

bolero wrote:
yorkboy60 wrote:
bolero wrote: `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.
which bit? I honestly believe that some of you are having breakdowns in public to think that everybody who has ever got on a bike is a criminal and breaks laws. Anyhoo, in reference to my earlier comment about you, you're the one who wrote those things, not me, so mabye you do have split personality. I really urge you to seek professional help at your earliest convenience.
Every bit.
every bit of what though?

you still haven't addressed the fact that you spent ages asking paul to post, then said people should not insult each other, then the second paul posted you told him not to, then insulted him.

You are very odd and seem to forget what you've written. Maybe we should add memory loss to split personality ?
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkboy60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: `yorkboy 60`, I won't waste space requoting you and this is not intended as an insult but just plain fact. What absolute utter tosh you talk.[/p][/quote]which bit? I honestly believe that some of you are having breakdowns in public to think that everybody who has ever got on a bike is a criminal and breaks laws. Anyhoo, in reference to my earlier comment about you, you're the one who wrote those things, not me, so mabye you do have split personality. I really urge you to seek professional help at your earliest convenience.[/p][/quote]Every bit.[/p][/quote]every bit of what though? you still haven't addressed the fact that you spent ages asking paul to post, then said people should not insult each other, then the second paul posted you told him not to, then insulted him. You are very odd and seem to forget what you've written. Maybe we should add memory loss to split personality ? yorkboy60
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11:32am Fri 10 Aug 12

yorkboy60 says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
yorkboy60 wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
sb, when are you going to start debating like an adult? .... ...What is it with you and the push-bikes?
The problem you have with me is that I shoot straight and hit the target every time. I research my comments and justify them, whilst all you can do is make personal attacks and innuendos. At the same time I do get a lot of support, and don't forget the many who read my comments and don't comment. I'm very sure that the majority of them also agree with me. Let's face it they've all seen cyclists going through traffic lights at red, riding on pavements and not having lights on a night, plus exhibiting absolutely no road sense, and been infuriated by congestion causing cycle lanes and green boxes for very few cyclists.
ok, let's look at this another way. Yes, we've all seen cylists with no road sense, going through red lights etc. This is a question directly for you - Have you ever seen car drivers go through red lights, swerving, being on pavements when they shouldn't be and exhibiting no road sense at at all?
I genuinely believe he/she is a wind up merchant, nobody could repeatedly make such sweeping generalisations and expect them to be taken seriously, while conveniently ignoring any genuine attempts to engage them in a sensible debate.
I just find it sad that the mods allow it to continue despite my pointing it out to them on more than one occasion.
alas Mr Udigawa, I believe you are correct. Signs point to ignoring facts and figures that contractdict their viewpoint, and repeating incorrect or irrelevent facts to enforce their own viewpoint.

The worst thing I find is actually the lack of humanity. Most people here (regardless of their views) have wished Beryl well and a speedy recovery, apart from Sillybillies. Even on the letters page, where Beryl wrote in, they have managed to comment without even passing on their best wishes to the poor lady.

think that says more than they ever could and is actually quite saddening.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkboy60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]sb, when are you going to start debating like an adult? .... ...What is it with you and the push-bikes?[/quote] The problem you have with me is that I shoot straight and hit the target every time. I research my comments and justify them, whilst all you can do is make personal attacks and innuendos. At the same time I do get a lot of support, and don't forget the many who read my comments and don't comment. I'm very sure that the majority of them also agree with me. Let's face it they've all seen cyclists going through traffic lights at red, riding on pavements and not having lights on a night, plus exhibiting absolutely no road sense, and been infuriated by congestion causing cycle lanes and green boxes for very few cyclists.[/p][/quote]ok, let's look at this another way. Yes, we've all seen cylists with no road sense, going through red lights etc. This is a question directly for you - Have you ever seen car drivers go through red lights, swerving, being on pavements when they shouldn't be and exhibiting no road sense at at all?[/p][/quote]I genuinely believe he/she is a wind up merchant, nobody could repeatedly make such sweeping generalisations and expect them to be taken seriously, while conveniently ignoring any genuine attempts to engage them in a sensible debate. I just find it sad that the mods allow it to continue despite my pointing it out to them on more than one occasion.[/p][/quote]alas Mr Udigawa, I believe you are correct. Signs point to ignoring facts and figures that contractdict their viewpoint, and repeating incorrect or irrelevent facts to enforce their own viewpoint. The worst thing I find is actually the lack of humanity. Most people here (regardless of their views) have wished Beryl well and a speedy recovery, apart from Sillybillies. Even on the letters page, where Beryl wrote in, they have managed to comment without even passing on their best wishes to the poor lady. think that says more than they ever could and is actually quite saddening. yorkboy60
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12:50pm Fri 10 Aug 12

bolero says...

Sorry if you're a confused old man but no further comment required.
Sorry if you're a confused old man but no further comment required. bolero
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1:13pm Fri 10 Aug 12

kesstrel says...

I'm sorry to break this to the cyclists on here, but in my experience, the ones who follow road rules are in the minority. Just recently, when Skeldergate was closed for gas works, the number of cyclists who utterly disregarded the many notices asking them to dismount to pass the pavement only section at the bottom of Buckingham Street was astonishing - they did not seem to mind that that corner was a blind corner and would whizz past the bottom of the street at full speed on the pavement. There were several close calls on that section in one day alone.

Now, I know that not all cyclists behave this way, but I do think that both cyclists and pedestrians should be made more aware of their road/pavement use and responsibilities (like another poster above, I have witnessed people walking in bike lanes, which is just as bad).

Cyclists: red lights apply to you. Don't sail past on the outside of a bus at a crossing where the pedestrian can't see you and is trying to cross to the green man (happened to me). You are travelling with much more momentum than a pedestrian, on a bike which weighs a considerable amount, and therefore can cause a lot of damage, so please, stay off pavements or dismount if you need to get off the road.

Pedestrians: bike lanes are not extra pavements. Stay off them, or be willing to move pronto if a bike comes along.

Everyone: be nicer to eachother.

Oh, and Mrs Hall: Please get well soon :)
I'm sorry to break this to the cyclists on here, but in my experience, the ones who follow road rules are in the minority. Just recently, when Skeldergate was closed for gas works, the number of cyclists who utterly disregarded the many notices asking them to dismount to pass the pavement only section at the bottom of Buckingham Street was astonishing - they did not seem to mind that that corner was a blind corner and would whizz past the bottom of the street at full speed on the pavement. There were several close calls on that section in one day alone. Now, I know that not all cyclists behave this way, but I do think that both cyclists and pedestrians should be made more aware of their road/pavement use and responsibilities (like another poster above, I have witnessed people walking in bike lanes, which is just as bad). Cyclists: red lights apply to you. Don't sail past on the outside of a bus at a crossing where the pedestrian can't see you and is trying to cross to the green man (happened to me). You are travelling with much more momentum than a pedestrian, on a bike which weighs a considerable amount, and therefore can cause a lot of damage, so please, stay off pavements or dismount if you need to get off the road. Pedestrians: bike lanes are not extra pavements. Stay off them, or be willing to move pronto if a bike comes along. Everyone: be nicer to eachother. Oh, and Mrs Hall: Please get well soon :) kesstrel
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1:54pm Fri 10 Aug 12

king-albert says...

Causing and accident and driving away is a motoring offence.
Surely the same must apply to cyclists.
Mrs Hall must also be entitled to compensation from the cyclist`s insurer.
At least £4000.
Causing and accident and driving away is a motoring offence. Surely the same must apply to cyclists. Mrs Hall must also be entitled to compensation from the cyclist`s insurer. At least £4000. king-albert
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2:23pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Boadicea says...

king-albert wrote:
Causing and accident and driving away is a motoring offence.
Surely the same must apply to cyclists.
Mrs Hall must also be entitled to compensation from the cyclist`s insurer.
At least £4000.
I very much doubt Mrs. Hall will get any compensation, let alone £4000 and I don't suppose the cyclist in question is insured, they don't have to be.
[quote][p][bold]king-albert[/bold] wrote: Causing and accident and driving away is a motoring offence. Surely the same must apply to cyclists. Mrs Hall must also be entitled to compensation from the cyclist`s insurer. At least £4000.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt Mrs. Hall will get any compensation, let alone £4000 and I don't suppose the cyclist in question is insured, they don't have to be. Boadicea
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2:50pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Digeorge says...

They were probably on benefits :( and legal aidable! Without any of the above.

And I doubt Mrs Hall may never find the attacker and all the hours spent by NYP in investigating it.

Anyway, hope she gets better, nasty bruises.
They were probably on benefits :( and legal aidable! Without any of the above. And I doubt Mrs Hall may never find the attacker and all the hours spent by NYP in investigating it. Anyway, hope she gets better, nasty bruises. Digeorge
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2:58pm Fri 10 Aug 12

king-albert says...

Boadicea wrote:
king-albert wrote:
Causing and accident and driving away is a motoring offence.
Surely the same must apply to cyclists.
Mrs Hall must also be entitled to compensation from the cyclist`s insurer.
At least £4000.
I very much doubt Mrs. Hall will get any compensation, let alone £4000 and I don't suppose the cyclist in question is insured, they don't have to be.
Let`s hope that someone really goes for compensation for an injury caused by a cyclist.
Surely they can`t simply race along the pavement with impunity.
[quote][p][bold]Boadicea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]king-albert[/bold] wrote: Causing and accident and driving away is a motoring offence. Surely the same must apply to cyclists. Mrs Hall must also be entitled to compensation from the cyclist`s insurer. At least £4000.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt Mrs. Hall will get any compensation, let alone £4000 and I don't suppose the cyclist in question is insured, they don't have to be.[/p][/quote]Let`s hope that someone really goes for compensation for an injury caused by a cyclist. Surely they can`t simply race along the pavement with impunity. king-albert
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3:30pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Boadicea says...

The council hasn't the money to employ anybody to stop these morons, there aren't enough police and the ones there are think cycling on pavements is too trivial for them to bother about and so pedestrians have to get out of the way of cyclists or get knocked down.
Some years ago a young girl,(under 5) was run into whilst playing outside her home at Chapelfields and had to have hospital treatment. A lot was said but nothing done.
The council hasn't the money to employ anybody to stop these morons, there aren't enough police and the ones there are think cycling on pavements is too trivial for them to bother about and so pedestrians have to get out of the way of cyclists or get knocked down. Some years ago a young girl,(under 5) was run into whilst playing outside her home at Chapelfields and had to have hospital treatment. A lot was said but nothing done. Boadicea
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3:57pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

This is a question directly for you - Have you ever seen car drivers go through red lights, swerving, being on pavements when they shouldn't be and exhibiting no road sense at at all?

There are bad drivers, but very few. None deliberately go through lights at red as a matter routine like so many cyclists, nor do they drive along the pavments. Some may go on the pavement to park, and if I had my way they'd have a warning stuck on the windsceen, and if they ignored it the vehicle would be towed away and crushed.

Congestion would decrease if cycle lanes and green boxes were removed, let's try it and see.

For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.
I genuinely believe he/she is a wind up merchant, nobody could repeatedly make such sweeping generalisations and expect them to be taken seriously, while conveniently ignoring any genuine attempts to engage them in a sensible debate.
I just find it sad that the mods allow it to continue despite my pointing it out to them on more than one occasion.

Getting to you am I? Posts get removed when people are being abusive, offensive, insulting or irrevent to the story, but I tell it as it is, and you don't like it - TOUGH!
The council hasn't the money to employ anybody to stop these morons, there aren't enough police and the ones there are think cycling on pavements is too trivial for them to bother about and so pedestrians have to get out of the way of cyclists or get knocked down.
Some years ago a young girl,(under 5) was run into whilst playing outside her home at Chapelfields and had to have hospital treatment. A lot was said but nothing done.

Yes, it is a continuing and serious problem the way many cyclists behave.
[quote]This is a question directly for you - Have you ever seen car drivers go through red lights, swerving, being on pavements when they shouldn't be and exhibiting no road sense at at all?[/quote] There are bad drivers, but very few. None deliberately go through lights at red as a matter routine like so many cyclists, nor do they drive along the pavments. Some may go on the pavement to park, and if I had my way they'd have a warning stuck on the windsceen, and if they ignored it the vehicle would be towed away and crushed. Congestion would decrease if cycle lanes and green boxes were removed, let's try it and see. For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York. [quote]I genuinely believe he/she is a wind up merchant, nobody could repeatedly make such sweeping generalisations and expect them to be taken seriously, while conveniently ignoring any genuine attempts to engage them in a sensible debate. I just find it sad that the mods allow it to continue despite my pointing it out to them on more than one occasion.[/quote] Getting to you am I? Posts get removed when people are being abusive, offensive, insulting or irrevent to the story, but I tell it as it is, and you don't like it - TOUGH! [quote]The council hasn't the money to employ anybody to stop these morons, there aren't enough police and the ones there are think cycling on pavements is too trivial for them to bother about and so pedestrians have to get out of the way of cyclists or get knocked down. Some years ago a young girl,(under 5) was run into whilst playing outside her home at Chapelfields and had to have hospital treatment. A lot was said but nothing done.[/quote] Yes, it is a continuing and serious problem the way many cyclists behave. Sillybillies
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4:11pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

Irrelevant to the story of course.
Irrelevant to the story of course. Sillybillies
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4:27pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Am Dram Fan says...

Motorists often park on both pavements and cycle lanes, blocking them almost completely and nothing ever seems to be done about this
Motorists often park on both pavements and cycle lanes, blocking them almost completely and nothing ever seems to be done about this Am Dram Fan
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4:57pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

Rule 140 - Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.
Law RTRA sects 5 & 8

We don't have a police force anymore that bothers to enforce the law, and it's as frustrating for cyclists as it is for motorists, I'm sure.
[quote] Rule 140 - Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply. Law RTRA sects 5 & 8[/quote] We don't have a police force anymore that bothers to enforce the law, and it's as frustrating for cyclists as it is for motorists, I'm sure. Sillybillies
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5:04pm Sat 11 Aug 12

peter123456 says...

Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different.
Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different. peter123456
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5:10pm Sat 11 Aug 12

peter123456 says...

yorkboy60 wrote:
lis0r wrote:
Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.
where on the continent do they have registration plates and insurance?
Belgium
[quote][p][bold]yorkboy60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lis0r[/bold] wrote: Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.[/p][/quote]where on the continent do they have registration plates and insurance?[/p][/quote]Belgium peter123456
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5:20pm Sat 11 Aug 12

peter123456 says...

If this cyclist had number plates and was insured. a) the culprit would have been caught. b) The tax payer would not now be paying for this poor lady's hospital and medical bills. Beryl I do hope that you make a full recovery. I wish you all the very best.
If this cyclist had number plates and was insured. a) the culprit would have been caught. b) The tax payer would not now be paying for this poor lady's hospital and medical bills. Beryl I do hope that you make a full recovery. I wish you all the very best. peter123456
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5:41pm Sat 11 Aug 12

peter123456 says...

peter123456 wrote:
yorkboy60 wrote:
lis0r wrote:
Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.
where on the continent do they have registration plates and insurance?
Belgium
Sorry Belgium have done away with their system. But Japan are now seriously considering introducing a similar system as their studies show that the majority of people think this is the only way to cut there nations rise in cyclists causing injuries to pedestrians.
[quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkboy60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lis0r[/bold] wrote: Until cyclists are made accountable by giving them registration plates, then their fraternity will be a haven for morons. 3rd party insurance would be a good idea. Both these ideas work on the continent, so I don't see why they're such anathema here.[/p][/quote]where on the continent do they have registration plates and insurance?[/p][/quote]Belgium[/p][/quote]Sorry Belgium have done away with their system. But Japan are now seriously considering introducing a similar system as their studies show that the majority of people think this is the only way to cut there nations rise in cyclists causing injuries to pedestrians. peter123456
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8:05pm Sat 11 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

peter123456 wrote:
Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different.
Good point.
Cyclists are indeed road users in charge of a vehicle.

So when cyclists start being treated like road users in charge of a vehicle maybe people on bikes may start living up it.

Then they might be more receptive to the idea of test, insurance, registration.

You can't have it both ways and you've got it backwards.

Pulling out on them, turning left on them, turning left on them *when you only just overtook them*, overtaking them and cutting in when there's only ten yards and the light is red anyway, opening car doors without looking, not giving way when the parked car is on your side, *never* waving thanks for letting by/giving way, generally bullying them out of your way cos you're bigger and anyway you once saw a cyclist go through a red light etc etc ... all these things could be construed as "I don't count, I'm on a bike"

It's a two way thing.
[quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different.[/p][/quote]Good point. Cyclists are indeed road users in charge of a vehicle. So when cyclists start being treated like road users in charge of a vehicle maybe people on bikes may start living up it. Then they might be more receptive to the idea of test, insurance, registration. You can't have it both ways and you've got it backwards. Pulling out on them, turning left on them, turning left on them *when you only just overtook them*, overtaking them and cutting in when there's only ten yards and the light is red anyway, opening car doors without looking, not giving way when the parked car is on your side, *never* waving thanks for letting by/giving way, generally bullying them out of your way cos you're bigger and anyway you once saw a cyclist go through a red light etc etc ... all these things could be construed as "I don't count, I'm on a bike" It's a two way thing. Buzz Light-year
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8:12pm Sat 11 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

peter123456 wrote:
If this cyclist had number plates and was insured. a) the culprit would have been caught. b) The tax payer would not now be paying for this poor lady's hospital and medical bills. Beryl I do hope that you make a full recovery. I wish you all the very best.
Really?
Heck of a lot of unsolved hit and runs happen.

The taxi driver I described earlier had a bright yellow plate with only two digits (28) to remember yet nothing has come of that.

If this cyclist was plated maybe he would have fallen through just like this driver does every day.

It's not a given - your language is rhetoric.
[quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: If this cyclist had number plates and was insured. a) the culprit would have been caught. b) The tax payer would not now be paying for this poor lady's hospital and medical bills. Beryl I do hope that you make a full recovery. I wish you all the very best.[/p][/quote]Really? Heck of a lot of unsolved hit and runs happen. The taxi driver I described earlier had a bright yellow plate with only two digits (28) to remember yet nothing has come of that. If this cyclist was plated maybe he would have fallen through just like this driver does every day. It's not a given - your language is rhetoric. Buzz Light-year
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9:47pm Sat 11 Aug 12

Yorkie-Clifton says...

Only today as i was about to turn from Lord Mayors Walk into Gillygate a bus was turning from Gillygate into Lord Mayors walk .( Lady bus driver ). An idiot cyclist went directly into her path . Like a Lemming . Fortunately the Lady braked sharply or the male cyclist would have been a fatality . Now tell me who would have got the blame ?????? PLEASE TELL ME .
Only today as i was about to turn from Lord Mayors Walk into Gillygate a bus was turning from Gillygate into Lord Mayors walk .( Lady bus driver ). An idiot cyclist went directly into her path . Like a Lemming . Fortunately the Lady braked sharply or the male cyclist would have been a fatality . Now tell me who would have got the blame ?????? PLEASE TELL ME . Yorkie-Clifton
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9:47pm Sat 11 Aug 12

Yorkie-Clifton says...

Only today as i was about to turn from Lord Mayors Walk into Gillygate a bus was turning from Gillygate into Lord Mayors walk .( Lady bus driver ). An idiot cyclist went directly into her path . Like a Lemming . Fortunately the Lady braked sharply or the male cyclist would have been a fatality . Now tell me who would have got the blame ?????? PLEASE TELL ME .
Only today as i was about to turn from Lord Mayors Walk into Gillygate a bus was turning from Gillygate into Lord Mayors walk .( Lady bus driver ). An idiot cyclist went directly into her path . Like a Lemming . Fortunately the Lady braked sharply or the male cyclist would have been a fatality . Now tell me who would have got the blame ?????? PLEASE TELL ME . Yorkie-Clifton
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10:21pm Sat 11 Aug 12

RuckBogers says...

It seems that some people simply haven't taken the following obvious fact into consideration:

No car driver/cyclist/pedes
trian/bus driver you see do anything is representative of every single one of them.

I say this as a frequent driver, cyclist and pedestrian in/around York. I've experienced first-hand a lot of the irritating things that people do on the roads and footpaths, and I do everything I can to not do them myself.

The same can't be said for everyone, obviously, such as the motorist who decided to undertake a waiting car indicating right by driving into the cycle lane and forcing me onto the verge. But ho-hum, no one was hurt, these things happen, he apologised and everyone moved on with their lives.

Also, rather than asking questions like 'have you ever seen a driver/cyclist/whate
ver do such-and-such a terrible thing?', why not consider the surely innumerable journeys you've undertaken where such annoyances have not been inflicted on you.

If you honestly can't recall any, then perhaps York is not the city for you.

The culprit in this story has committed an unforgivable act, but I don't think for a second that anyone posting comments here has said otherwise. Here's wishing Mrs Hall a speedy recovery.
It seems that some people simply haven't taken the following obvious fact into consideration: No car driver/cyclist/pedes trian/bus driver you see do anything is representative of every single one of them. I say this as a frequent driver, cyclist and pedestrian in/around York. I've experienced first-hand a lot of the irritating things that people do on the roads and footpaths, and I do everything I can to not do them myself. The same can't be said for everyone, obviously, such as the motorist who decided to undertake a waiting car indicating right by driving into the cycle lane and forcing me onto the verge. But ho-hum, no one was hurt, these things happen, he apologised and everyone moved on with their lives. Also, rather than asking questions like 'have you ever seen a driver/cyclist/whate ver do such-and-such a terrible thing?', why not consider the surely innumerable journeys you've undertaken where such annoyances have not been inflicted on you. If you honestly can't recall any, then perhaps York is not the city for you. The culprit in this story has committed an unforgivable act, but I don't think for a second that anyone posting comments here has said otherwise. Here's wishing Mrs Hall a speedy recovery. RuckBogers
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10:40pm Sat 11 Aug 12

Yorkie-Clifton says...

RuckBogers wrote:
It seems that some people simply haven't taken the following obvious fact into consideration:

No car driver/cyclist/pedes

trian/bus driver you see do anything is representative of every single one of them.

I say this as a frequent driver, cyclist and pedestrian in/around York. I've experienced first-hand a lot of the irritating things that people do on the roads and footpaths, and I do everything I can to not do them myself.

The same can't be said for everyone, obviously, such as the motorist who decided to undertake a waiting car indicating right by driving into the cycle lane and forcing me onto the verge. But ho-hum, no one was hurt, these things happen, he apologised and everyone moved on with their lives.

Also, rather than asking questions like 'have you ever seen a driver/cyclist/whate

ver do such-and-such a terrible thing?', why not consider the surely innumerable journeys you've undertaken where such annoyances have not been inflicted on you.

If you honestly can't recall any, then perhaps York is not the city for you.

The culprit in this story has committed an unforgivable act, but I don't think for a second that anyone posting comments here has said otherwise. Here's wishing Mrs Hall a speedy recovery.
Answer my question ---- Please -- I am not a member of the **** Brigade .
[quote][p][bold]RuckBogers[/bold] wrote: It seems that some people simply haven't taken the following obvious fact into consideration: No car driver/cyclist/pedes trian/bus driver you see do anything is representative of every single one of them. I say this as a frequent driver, cyclist and pedestrian in/around York. I've experienced first-hand a lot of the irritating things that people do on the roads and footpaths, and I do everything I can to not do them myself. The same can't be said for everyone, obviously, such as the motorist who decided to undertake a waiting car indicating right by driving into the cycle lane and forcing me onto the verge. But ho-hum, no one was hurt, these things happen, he apologised and everyone moved on with their lives. Also, rather than asking questions like 'have you ever seen a driver/cyclist/whate ver do such-and-such a terrible thing?', why not consider the surely innumerable journeys you've undertaken where such annoyances have not been inflicted on you. If you honestly can't recall any, then perhaps York is not the city for you. The culprit in this story has committed an unforgivable act, but I don't think for a second that anyone posting comments here has said otherwise. Here's wishing Mrs Hall a speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]Answer my question ---- Please -- I am not a member of the **** Brigade . Yorkie-Clifton
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10:47pm Sat 11 Aug 12

RuckBogers says...

Yorkie-Clifton wrote:
RuckBogers wrote:
It seems that some people simply haven't taken the following obvious fact into consideration:

No car driver/cyclist/pedes


trian/bus driver you see do anything is representative of every single one of them.

I say this as a frequent driver, cyclist and pedestrian in/around York. I've experienced first-hand a lot of the irritating things that people do on the roads and footpaths, and I do everything I can to not do them myself.

The same can't be said for everyone, obviously, such as the motorist who decided to undertake a waiting car indicating right by driving into the cycle lane and forcing me onto the verge. But ho-hum, no one was hurt, these things happen, he apologised and everyone moved on with their lives.

Also, rather than asking questions like 'have you ever seen a driver/cyclist/whate


ver do such-and-such a terrible thing?', why not consider the surely innumerable journeys you've undertaken where such annoyances have not been inflicted on you.

If you honestly can't recall any, then perhaps York is not the city for you.

The culprit in this story has committed an unforgivable act, but I don't think for a second that anyone posting comments here has said otherwise. Here's wishing Mrs Hall a speedy recovery.
Answer my question ---- Please -- I am not a member of the **** Brigade .
I've only just joined this conversation and I, quite fairly I think, presumed your question was not directed at me. I don't know what Brigade you're referring to either.

To try and answer your question, though, I don't know who would have got the blame as I was not there and as I only have your testimony to go on, I am in no position to make a judgement on the situation. My question to you is this: what is the relevance of the bus driver being female and the cyclist being male, or are you just trying to provoke a reaction of some sort?

Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie-Clifton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuckBogers[/bold] wrote: It seems that some people simply haven't taken the following obvious fact into consideration: No car driver/cyclist/pedes trian/bus driver you see do anything is representative of every single one of them. I say this as a frequent driver, cyclist and pedestrian in/around York. I've experienced first-hand a lot of the irritating things that people do on the roads and footpaths, and I do everything I can to not do them myself. The same can't be said for everyone, obviously, such as the motorist who decided to undertake a waiting car indicating right by driving into the cycle lane and forcing me onto the verge. But ho-hum, no one was hurt, these things happen, he apologised and everyone moved on with their lives. Also, rather than asking questions like 'have you ever seen a driver/cyclist/whate ver do such-and-such a terrible thing?', why not consider the surely innumerable journeys you've undertaken where such annoyances have not been inflicted on you. If you honestly can't recall any, then perhaps York is not the city for you. The culprit in this story has committed an unforgivable act, but I don't think for a second that anyone posting comments here has said otherwise. Here's wishing Mrs Hall a speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]Answer my question ---- Please -- I am not a member of the **** Brigade .[/p][/quote]I've only just joined this conversation and I, quite fairly I think, presumed your question was not directed at me. I don't know what Brigade you're referring to either. To try and answer your question, though, I don't know who would have got the blame as I was not there and as I only have your testimony to go on, I am in no position to make a judgement on the situation. My question to you is this: what is the relevance of the bus driver being female and the cyclist being male, or are you just trying to provoke a reaction of some sort? Thanks. RuckBogers
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11:30pm Sat 11 Aug 12

RuckBogers says...

@Yorkie-Clifton:

I had never posted on this site until AFTER you posted your question. It's unfair for me to make a judgement on an event that I was not at, based only on one person's summing-up of events.

Based on what you've said, it should be the cyclist that should've got the blame if there had been a collision. You asked who WOULD get the blame, and frankly I have no idea. But if the question was who SHOULD have got the blame, based on what you've said, it would be the cyclist.

There's no need to be aggressive and accusatory and name-calling.

Perhaps you would care to explain why the relevance of the genders of the people concerned is anything to do with people 'like me', when I had never posted on the site until after you had posted the original comment.

Thanks.
@Yorkie-Clifton: I had never posted on this site until AFTER you posted your question. It's unfair for me to make a judgement on an event that I was not at, based only on one person's summing-up of events. Based on what you've said, it should be the cyclist that should've got the blame if there had been a collision. You asked who WOULD get the blame, and frankly I have no idea. But if the question was who SHOULD have got the blame, based on what you've said, it would be the cyclist. There's no need to be aggressive and accusatory and name-calling. Perhaps you would care to explain why the relevance of the genders of the people concerned is anything to do with people 'like me', when I had never posted on the site until after you had posted the original comment. Thanks. RuckBogers
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11:41pm Sat 11 Aug 12

RuckBogers says...

That's fair enough. And you can quite clearly see that my name is RuckBogers, not Buck Rogers. I only just registered on the site and I've not posted before.

But thanks for assuming I'm lying and making snide comments. That's really, really, immensely conducive towards a sensible and mature debate. Good night.
That's fair enough. And you can quite clearly see that my name is RuckBogers, not Buck Rogers. I only just registered on the site and I've not posted before. But thanks for assuming I'm lying and making snide comments. That's really, really, immensely conducive towards a sensible and mature debate. Good night. RuckBogers
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11:22am Sun 12 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

peter123456 says...
5:04pm Sat 11 Aug 12
Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different.
Above it must be made easier for them to be held accountable for their actions such as ignoring traffic lights and riding on the pavement, and this means number plates to remove the anonimity they hide behind.
Buzz Light-year says...
8:05pm Sat 11 Aug 12
peter123456 wrote:
Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different.
Good point.
Cyclists are indeed road users in charge of a vehicle.
So when cyclists start being treated like road users in charge of a vehicle maybe people on bikes may start living up it.
Then they might be more receptive to the idea of test, insurance, registration.
That's completely back to front, and as road users they are obliged to comply with the law regardless. Are you now admitting that many cyclists are persistent law breakers with no regard for traffic law?
[quote]peter123456 says... 5:04pm Sat 11 Aug 12 Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different.[/quote] Above it must be made easier for them to be held accountable for their actions such as ignoring traffic lights and riding on the pavement, and this means number plates to remove the anonimity they hide behind. [quote]Buzz Light-year says... 8:05pm Sat 11 Aug 12 [quote]peter123456 wrote: Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different.[/quote] [quote]Good point. Cyclists are indeed road users in charge of a vehicle. So when cyclists start being treated like road users in charge of a vehicle maybe people on bikes may start living up it. Then they might be more receptive to the idea of test, insurance, registration.[/quote] That's completely back to front, and as road users they are obliged to comply with the law regardless. Are you now admitting that many cyclists are persistent law breakers with no regard for traffic law? Sillybillies
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11:29am Sun 12 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

peter123456 says...
5:04pm Sat 11 Aug 12
Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different.

Above it must be made easier for them to be held accountable for their actions such as ignoring traffic lights and riding on the pavement, and this means number plates to remove the anonimity they hide behind.
[quote]peter123456 says... 5:04pm Sat 11 Aug 12 Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different.[/quote] Above it must be made easier for them to be held accountable for their actions such as ignoring traffic lights and riding on the pavement, and this means number plates to remove the anonimity they hide behind. Sillybillies
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11:35am Sun 12 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

Buzz Light-year says...
8:05pm Sat 11 Aug 12

peter123456 wrote:
Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different.
Good point.

Cyclists are indeed road users in charge of a vehicle.

So when cyclists start being treated like road users in charge of a vehicle maybe people on bikes may start living up it.

Then they might be more receptive to the idea of test, insurance, registration.

That's completely back to front, and are you now admitting that many cyclists are persistent law breakers with no regard for traffic law?
[quote]Buzz Light-year says... 8:05pm Sat 11 Aug 12 [quote]peter123456 wrote: Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different. Good point. Cyclists are indeed road users in charge of a vehicle. So when cyclists start being treated like road users in charge of a vehicle maybe people on bikes may start living up it. Then they might be more receptive to the idea of test, insurance, registration.[/quote] That's completely back to front, and are you now admitting that many cyclists are persistent law breakers with no regard for traffic law? Sillybillies
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11:53am Sun 12 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

The exchange between the Spoonerised man from the 25th century and Yorkie-Clifton is the epitome of cycling debate here.

On the one hand we have calm reasoning and an ability to see both sides.
On the other, shouty hysterical nastiness and name-calling.

Yorkie-Clifton proving quite well that one side of this issue is driven by hate and prejudice.
The exchange between the Spoonerised man from the 25th century and Yorkie-Clifton is the epitome of cycling debate here. On the one hand we have calm reasoning and an ability to see both sides. On the other, shouty hysterical nastiness and name-calling. Yorkie-Clifton proving quite well that one side of this issue is driven by hate and prejudice. Buzz Light-year
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12:01pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Buzz Light-year says... 8:05pm Sat 11 Aug 12 peter123456 wrote: Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different. Good point. Cyclists are indeed road users in charge of a vehicle. So when cyclists start being treated like road users in charge of a vehicle maybe people on bikes may start living up it. Then they might be more receptive to the idea of test, insurance, registration. That's completely back to front, and are you now admitting that many cyclists are persistent law breakers with no regard for traffic law?SB - I have politely asked you more than once not to engage me. I want nothing to do with you.

If you infer from the post that you quote that "I am admitting" anything of the sort then you are far more stupid and/or prejudiced than I thought.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]Buzz Light-year says... 8:05pm Sat 11 Aug 12 [quote]peter123456 wrote: Only licence plates, insurance and a full highway code test just as all other motorists have to do. This is the way forward as I said last week. Bicycles are a vehicle just as a car, van lorry or motorcycle. The only difference is that a cyclist uses his or her legs as the motor. They use the road like all motorists so there is no reason why they should be treated any different. Good point. Cyclists are indeed road users in charge of a vehicle. So when cyclists start being treated like road users in charge of a vehicle maybe people on bikes may start living up it. Then they might be more receptive to the idea of test, insurance, registration.[/quote] That's completely back to front, and are you now admitting that many cyclists are persistent law breakers with no regard for traffic law?[/p][/quote]SB - I have politely asked you more than once not to engage me. I want nothing to do with you. If you infer from the post that you quote that "I am admitting" anything of the sort then you are far more stupid and/or prejudiced than I thought. Buzz Light-year
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12:04pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Cool - go over a certain number of posts and it mucks up the quote facility
Cool - go over a certain number of posts and it mucks up the quote facility Buzz Light-year
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12:17pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

I'll agree with you on that one!
I'll agree with you on that one! Sillybillies
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12:19pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

I have politely asked you more than once not to engage me. I want nothing to do with you.

You mean you can't do with being shot down in flames?!
[quote]I have politely asked you more than once not to engage me. I want nothing to do with you.[/quote] You mean you can't do with being shot down in flames?! Sillybillies
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12:53pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Yorkie-Clifton says...

I see ----- Buzz Light-year wishes to dominate and control this debate , as per usual .
Have i interfered with the quote facility . hahahha.
I see ----- Buzz Light-year wishes to dominate and control this debate , as per usual . Have i interfered with the quote facility . hahahha. Yorkie-Clifton
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12:55pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

But Japan are now seriously considering introducing a similar system as their studies show that the majority of people think this is the only way to cut there nations rise in cyclists causing injuries to pedestrians.

It has been introduced, but the only explanation I can find is that it is because of the large numbers of cycle thefts, not cyclists behaving like they do in the UK.
[quote] But Japan are now seriously considering introducing a similar system as their studies show that the majority of people think this is the only way to cut there nations rise in cyclists causing injuries to pedestrians.[/quote] It has been introduced, but the only explanation I can find is that it is because of the large numbers of cycle thefts, not cyclists behaving like they do in the UK. Sillybillies
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12:59pm Sun 12 Aug 12

RuckBogers says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
The exchange between the Spoonerised man from the 25th century and Yorkie-Clifton is the epitome of cycling debate here.

On the one hand we have calm reasoning and an ability to see both sides.
On the other, shouty hysterical nastiness and name-calling.

Yorkie-Clifton proving quite well that one side of this issue is driven by hate and prejudice.
Thanks, fellow sci-fi-themed commenter.

Retrospectively, I think Yorkie-Clifton may have thought my first post was in response to their one, which is why they kicked up a fuss that I hadn't answered their question. I thought it was quite clear I was just passing comment in general and not directing anything at any one person in particular, but perhaps not.

When I did answer the question, all it got in response was accusations of lies. I've never seen anyone form a vendetta so quickly and efficiently for no reason - it's actually quite impressive, yet hugely depressing at the same time...

But hey, that's life.

On another note, walking to and from the supermarket today, I had to move very slightly twice for cyclists on the pavement (no cycle lane). Naturally, I am now vehemently against anyone in the whole of York cycling at all and I burnt my bike to cinders as soon as I got home...(!)

TTFN everyone.
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: The exchange between the Spoonerised man from the 25th century and Yorkie-Clifton is the epitome of cycling debate here. On the one hand we have calm reasoning and an ability to see both sides. On the other, shouty hysterical nastiness and name-calling. Yorkie-Clifton proving quite well that one side of this issue is driven by hate and prejudice.[/p][/quote]Thanks, fellow sci-fi-themed commenter. Retrospectively, I think Yorkie-Clifton may have thought my first post was in response to their one, which is why they kicked up a fuss that I hadn't answered their question. I thought it was quite clear I was just passing comment in general and not directing anything at any one person in particular, but perhaps not. When I did answer the question, all it got in response was accusations of lies. I've never seen anyone form a vendetta so quickly and efficiently for no reason - it's actually quite impressive, yet hugely depressing at the same time... But hey, that's life. On another note, walking to and from the supermarket today, I had to move very slightly twice for cyclists on the pavement (no cycle lane). Naturally, I am now vehemently against anyone in the whole of York cycling at all and I burnt my bike to cinders as soon as I got home...(!) TTFN everyone. RuckBogers
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1:00pm Sun 12 Aug 12

bolero says...

I think it's time for this debate(?) to be ended as it has descended to the usual name calling and `you're an idiot if you don't agree with me` stage. Pathetic.
I think it's time for this debate(?) to be ended as it has descended to the usual name calling and `you're an idiot if you don't agree with me` stage. Pathetic. bolero
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1:22pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

Yorkie-Clifton says...
12:53pm Sun 12 Aug 12

I see ----- Buzz Light-year wishes to dominate and control this debate , as per usual .

Of course, and stand by for the abuse, insults and name calling and allegations about your mental health. All par for the course.
[quote]Yorkie-Clifton says... 12:53pm Sun 12 Aug 12 I see ----- Buzz Light-year wishes to dominate and control this debate , as per usual .[/quote] Of course, and stand by for the abuse, insults and name calling and allegations about your mental health. All par for the course. Sillybillies
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1:24pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.

Let's have some comments about this, thus far it's been ignored.
[quote]For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.[/quote] Let's have some comments about this, thus far it's been ignored. Sillybillies
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1:31pm Sun 12 Aug 12

RuckBogers says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Yorkie-Clifton says...
12:53pm Sun 12 Aug 12

I see ----- Buzz Light-year wishes to dominate and control this debate , as per usual .

Of course, and stand by for the abuse, insults and name calling and allegations about your mental health. All par for the course.
It's Yorkie-Clifton who seems to be doing a lot of abuse, insults and name calling so I'm not sure what they need to 'stand by' for - I got 'pathetic', 'spineless', an implication that I'm not a 'true person' (whatever that means) and accused of being a bullshitter because they wrongly thought I was lying about, of all the trivial things, whether I had posted on this website before yesterday or not.

Presumably all stemming because I posted a general comment that they didn't entirely agree with. I know you don't need to worry about that as you seem to be in agreement with Yorkie-Clifton, and that's fine - I'm on the comment section to pass comment and not suggest that anyone is wrong or right for what they believe.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]Yorkie-Clifton says... 12:53pm Sun 12 Aug 12 I see ----- Buzz Light-year wishes to dominate and control this debate , as per usual .[/quote] Of course, and stand by for the abuse, insults and name calling and allegations about your mental health. All par for the course.[/p][/quote]It's Yorkie-Clifton who seems to be doing a lot of abuse, insults and name calling so I'm not sure what they need to 'stand by' for - I got 'pathetic', 'spineless', an implication that I'm not a 'true person' (whatever that means) and accused of being a bullshitter because they wrongly thought I was lying about, of all the trivial things, whether I had posted on this website before yesterday or not. Presumably all stemming because I posted a general comment that they didn't entirely agree with. I know you don't need to worry about that as you seem to be in agreement with Yorkie-Clifton, and that's fine - I'm on the comment section to pass comment and not suggest that anyone is wrong or right for what they believe. RuckBogers
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1:40pm Sun 12 Aug 12

RuckBogers says...

Sillybillies wrote:
For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.

Let's have some comments about this, thus far it's been ignored.
I don't think it's been ignored so much as taken on board and, more than likely, agreed with.

I would suggest that if the lights coming from Foss Islands Road past Walmgate Bar were on green, the cyclists may have known the pattern and known the lights on Walmgate were on red. That does not excuse it at all, but I'm just trying to offer another side - you have asked for comments, after all.

But you're completely right, people like that do not help anyone - they aggravate and potentially endanger themselves and other road-users, and, I think quite importantly, lead sensible cyclists to be unfairly judged for their stupidity.

Away from the cycling, I was driving from that way recently (towards Cemetery Road), waiting in the left-hand lane at the lights, not indicating as I was going straight on. A motorcyclist pulled up next to me in the right-hand lane, and when the lights changed, went from the right-hand lane, in front of my car and down Lawrence Street, without indicating at all, and then shouting at me despite them having cut me off.

Regrettably, it doesn't seem to just be cyclists who make stupid decisions at that junction.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.[/quote] Let's have some comments about this, thus far it's been ignored.[/p][/quote]I don't think it's been ignored so much as taken on board and, more than likely, agreed with. I would suggest that if the lights coming from Foss Islands Road past Walmgate Bar were on green, the cyclists may have known the pattern and known the lights on Walmgate were on red. That does not excuse it at all, but I'm just trying to offer another side - you have asked for comments, after all. But you're completely right, people like that do not help anyone - they aggravate and potentially endanger themselves and other road-users, and, I think quite importantly, lead sensible cyclists to be unfairly judged for their stupidity. Away from the cycling, I was driving from that way recently (towards Cemetery Road), waiting in the left-hand lane at the lights, not indicating as I was going straight on. A motorcyclist pulled up next to me in the right-hand lane, and when the lights changed, went from the right-hand lane, in front of my car and down Lawrence Street, without indicating at all, and then shouting at me despite them having cut me off. Regrettably, it doesn't seem to just be cyclists who make stupid decisions at that junction. RuckBogers
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2:02pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

SB wrote
You mean you can't do with being shot down in flames?!


And still you childishly bait me.

What is this? First year at school?


You've never shot me down.
In fact last week when the opposite happened you launched revenge attacks following me around the site maliciously reporting my comments.
It's all getting a bit personal for you, it's not healthy.

Grow up SB.
[quote]SB wrote You mean you can't do with being shot down in flames?![/quote] And still you childishly bait me. What is this? First year at school? You've never shot me down. In fact last week when the opposite happened you launched revenge attacks following me around the site maliciously reporting my comments. It's all getting a bit personal for you, it's not healthy. Grow up SB. Buzz Light-year
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2:44pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Boadicea says...

This is supposed to be comments about cyclists on pavements.
What is required is for the police to go looking for them at regular random times and give them a heavy fine and not just ignore this problem. They just think it is a trivial matter and ignore it.
This is supposed to be comments about cyclists on pavements. What is required is for the police to go looking for them at regular random times and give them a heavy fine and not just ignore this problem. They just think it is a trivial matter and ignore it. Boadicea
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4:10pm Sun 12 Aug 12

bolero says...

See what I mean.
See what I mean. bolero
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6:48pm Sun 12 Aug 12

somedayarealrainwillcome says...

Someone who goes along the pavement full belt at the cost of a pedestrian is anti-social period, nothing to do with their mode of transport...whether it be a bus driver that forces a cyclist onto the pavement or a bike plowing into someone, both of those people just think they are better than everyone else. It’s called UTS syndrome...and half of York suffers from it.
Someone who goes along the pavement full belt at the cost of a pedestrian is anti-social period, nothing to do with their mode of transport...whether it be a bus driver that forces a cyclist onto the pavement or a bike plowing into someone, both of those people just think they are better than everyone else. It’s called UTS syndrome...and half of York suffers from it. somedayarealrainwillcome
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11:22am Mon 13 Aug 12

Gary Gilmores Eyes says...

‘Woody G Mellor says...5:51pm Wed 8 Aug 12
Peddling Paul. After all the comments you have made in the past relating to cyclists/cycling in York, I believe that it is your duty to make a comment on this incident. Or FOREVER hold your piece.’

It is quite obvious that from previous posts he has placed on here over the years, PP holds his piece on a regular basis.
‘Woody G Mellor says...5:51pm Wed 8 Aug 12 Peddling Paul. After all the comments you have made in the past relating to cyclists/cycling in York, I believe that it is your duty to make a comment on this incident. Or FOREVER hold your piece.’ It is quite obvious that from previous posts he has placed on here over the years, PP holds his piece on a regular basis. Gary Gilmores Eyes
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12:48pm Mon 13 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.

I would suggest that if the lights coming from Foss Islands Road past Walmgate Bar were on green, the cyclists may have known the pattern and known the lights on Walmgate were on red.

So that makes it alright then? The traffic lights in Foss Islands Road towards the Barbican were red, but these two ignored them, and turned right into Walmgate on the wrond side of that road with a very good chance the lights in Walmgate were on green.
If they'd have had number plates I'd have reported them, not only for a traffic offences but also for child neglect. The children would be safer in care!
[quote]For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.[/quote] [quote]I would suggest that if the lights coming from Foss Islands Road past Walmgate Bar were on green, the cyclists may have known the pattern and known the lights on Walmgate were on red.[/quote] So that makes it alright then? The traffic lights in Foss Islands Road towards the Barbican were red, but these two ignored them, and turned right into Walmgate on the wrond side of that road with a very good chance the lights in Walmgate were on green. If they'd have had number plates I'd have reported them, not only for a traffic offences but also for child neglect. The children would be safer in care! Sillybillies
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2:33pm Mon 13 Aug 12

Mr Udigawa says...

RuckBogers wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.
Let's have some comments about this, thus far it's been ignored.
I don't think it's been ignored so much as taken on board and, more than likely, agreed with. I would suggest that if the lights coming from Foss Islands Road past Walmgate Bar were on green, the cyclists may have known the pattern and known the lights on Walmgate were on red. That does not excuse it at all, but I'm just trying to offer another side - you have asked for comments, after all. But you're completely right, people like that do not help anyone - they aggravate and potentially endanger themselves and other road-users, and, I think quite importantly, lead sensible cyclists to be unfairly judged for their stupidity. Away from the cycling, I was driving from that way recently (towards Cemetery Road), waiting in the left-hand lane at the lights, not indicating as I was going straight on. A motorcyclist pulled up next to me in the right-hand lane, and when the lights changed, went from the right-hand lane, in front of my car and down Lawrence Street, without indicating at all, and then shouting at me despite them having cut me off. Regrettably, it doesn't seem to just be cyclists who make stupid decisions at that junction.
See the original comment, at no point does he say it makes it alright. You appear to be deliberately taking quotes out of context again.
[quote][p][bold]RuckBogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.[/quote] Let's have some comments about this, thus far it's been ignored.[/p][/quote]I don't think it's been ignored so much as taken on board and, more than likely, agreed with. I would suggest that if the lights coming from Foss Islands Road past Walmgate Bar were on green, the cyclists may have known the pattern and known the lights on Walmgate were on red. That does not excuse it at all, but I'm just trying to offer another side - you have asked for comments, after all. But you're completely right, people like that do not help anyone - they aggravate and potentially endanger themselves and other road-users, and, I think quite importantly, lead sensible cyclists to be unfairly judged for their stupidity. Away from the cycling, I was driving from that way recently (towards Cemetery Road), waiting in the left-hand lane at the lights, not indicating as I was going straight on. A motorcyclist pulled up next to me in the right-hand lane, and when the lights changed, went from the right-hand lane, in front of my car and down Lawrence Street, without indicating at all, and then shouting at me despite them having cut me off. Regrettably, it doesn't seem to just be cyclists who make stupid decisions at that junction.[/p][/quote]See the original comment, at no point does he say it makes it alright. You appear to be deliberately taking quotes out of context again. Mr Udigawa
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3:38pm Mon 13 Aug 12

NickPheas says...

Gary Gilmores Eyes wrote:
‘Woody G Mellor says...5:51pm Wed 8 Aug 12 Peddling Paul. After all the comments you have made in the past relating to cyclists/cycling in York, I believe that it is your duty to make a comment on this incident. Or FOREVER hold your piece.’ It is quite obvious that from previous posts he has placed on here over the years, PP holds his piece on a regular basis.
He did make a fairly clear statement, devoid of any weasel words, some days ago.
[quote][p][bold]Gary Gilmores Eyes[/bold] wrote: ‘Woody G Mellor says...5:51pm Wed 8 Aug 12 Peddling Paul. After all the comments you have made in the past relating to cyclists/cycling in York, I believe that it is your duty to make a comment on this incident. Or FOREVER hold your piece.’ It is quite obvious that from previous posts he has placed on here over the years, PP holds his piece on a regular basis.[/p][/quote]He did make a fairly clear statement, devoid of any weasel words, some days ago. NickPheas
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4:02pm Mon 13 Aug 12

bolero says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Compare the comments here to the comments you might get when a car driver does something stupid and causes carnage. The difference is that, even with a very rare event like this, some people try to blame it on 'cyclists'. But do you also rant at 'motorists' when someone kills or seriously injures on the roads. Even thoughdriver law breaking and the consequences of it are much, much, more serious and much much more common than that by cyclist, it's still cyclists that get the bad press. Perhaps we can have the face of the next victim of speeding as a full front page on The Press? The reason for the differing treatment between the two groups is simple - prejudice. The incident is appalling and I hope the culprit is dealt with. It has absolutely nothing to do with the vast majority of York's cyclists who, day-in, day-out...obey the laws and respect others and are all too often themselves victims of lack of respect from drivers.
`Drunken driver driving on the wrong carriageway on the A64`.Front page headlines in today's press and rightly so. Whether the sentence imposed: as recently reported; is sufficient is debateable. Personally, as a car driver, I don't think so. His mitigation was that he didn't realise what he was doing. Exactly, and that was why he got into a car in a drunken haze and caused absolute mayhem on a busy trunk road putting dozens of lives in danger. It would be wrong to say that the other innocent driver involved was lucky but fortunately he lived to tell the tale. However, he still faces the prospect of being faced by the same idiotic driver in the future when his disqualification has expired and he has retaken a driving test. I hope he fails. Now will the Press allow debate on this issue I wonder and at least allow the cyclists to comment.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Compare the comments here to the comments you might get when a car driver does something stupid and causes carnage. The difference is that, even with a very rare event like this, some people try to blame it on 'cyclists'. But do you also rant at 'motorists' when someone kills or seriously injures on the roads. Even thoughdriver law breaking and the consequences of it are much, much, more serious and much much more common than that by cyclist, it's still cyclists that get the bad press. Perhaps we can have the face of the next victim of speeding as a full front page on The Press? The reason for the differing treatment between the two groups is simple - prejudice. The incident is appalling and I hope the culprit is dealt with. It has absolutely nothing to do with the vast majority of York's cyclists who, day-in, day-out...obey the laws and respect others and are all too often themselves victims of lack of respect from drivers.[/p][/quote]`Drunken driver driving on the wrong carriageway on the A64`.Front page headlines in today's press and rightly so. Whether the sentence imposed: as recently reported; is sufficient is debateable. Personally, as a car driver, I don't think so. His mitigation was that he didn't realise what he was doing. Exactly, and that was why he got into a car in a drunken haze and caused absolute mayhem on a busy trunk road putting dozens of lives in danger. It would be wrong to say that the other innocent driver involved was lucky but fortunately he lived to tell the tale. However, he still faces the prospect of being faced by the same idiotic driver in the future when his disqualification has expired and he has retaken a driving test. I hope he fails. Now will the Press allow debate on this issue I wonder and at least allow the cyclists to comment. bolero
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4:05pm Mon 13 Aug 12

bolero says...

Well my posting has been accepted and I have opened up the way for you to comment whether you be a motorist or a cyclist but please let us all be civil and respect one another's points of views.
Well my posting has been accepted and I have opened up the way for you to comment whether you be a motorist or a cyclist but please let us all be civil and respect one another's points of views. bolero
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5:27pm Mon 13 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

I agree with you Bolero, the sentence is a joke and beyond belief, but we are never officially allowed to pass comments after sentence lest we dare to criticise the judicial system and especially the decisions of some judges.
I agree with you Bolero, the sentence is a joke and beyond belief, but we are never officially allowed to pass comments after sentence lest we dare to criticise the judicial system and especially the decisions of some judges. Sillybillies
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6:53pm Mon 13 Aug 12

RuckBogers says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
RuckBogers wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.
Let's have some comments about this, thus far it's been ignored.
I don't think it's been ignored so much as taken on board and, more than likely, agreed with. I would suggest that if the lights coming from Foss Islands Road past Walmgate Bar were on green, the cyclists may have known the pattern and known the lights on Walmgate were on red. That does not excuse it at all, but I'm just trying to offer another side - you have asked for comments, after all. But you're completely right, people like that do not help anyone - they aggravate and potentially endanger themselves and other road-users, and, I think quite importantly, lead sensible cyclists to be unfairly judged for their stupidity. Away from the cycling, I was driving from that way recently (towards Cemetery Road), waiting in the left-hand lane at the lights, not indicating as I was going straight on. A motorcyclist pulled up next to me in the right-hand lane, and when the lights changed, went from the right-hand lane, in front of my car and down Lawrence Street, without indicating at all, and then shouting at me despite them having cut me off. Regrettably, it doesn't seem to just be cyclists who make stupid decisions at that junction.
See the original comment, at no point does he say it makes it alright. You appear to be deliberately taking quotes out of context again.
Exactly. Thank you, Mr Udigawa, for pointing this out.

Sillybillies, immediately after the point you chose to end my quotation, I had put this:

"That does not excuse it at all, but I'm just trying to offer another side - you have asked for comments, after all.

But you're completely right, people like that do not help anyone..."

I agreed with you for goodness' sake - what's the point in deliberately taking quotes out of context? Not only is it unfair to misrepresent other people's comments, it makes it seem like you're only contributing to create arguments rather than debate.

In case you've missed it the first two times, what I said was: 'You're completely right'.

I will not respond to any more messages you direct at me if you choose to deliberately ignore the parts of my posts that do not allow you to start irrelevant arguments. So long.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuckBogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]For utter lunacy, the other day two cyclists with occupied child seats, travelling along Foss Islands Road toward the Barbican, turned right into Walmgate on the wrong side of that road. That could have given an driver turning left into Foss Islands Road from Walmgate one hell of shock. These are the sorts of idiots we have riding around York.[/quote] Let's have some comments about this, thus far it's been ignored.[/p][/quote]I don't think it's been ignored so much as taken on board and, more than likely, agreed with. I would suggest that if the lights coming from Foss Islands Road past Walmgate Bar were on green, the cyclists may have known the pattern and known the lights on Walmgate were on red. That does not excuse it at all, but I'm just trying to offer another side - you have asked for comments, after all. But you're completely right, people like that do not help anyone - they aggravate and potentially endanger themselves and other road-users, and, I think quite importantly, lead sensible cyclists to be unfairly judged for their stupidity. Away from the cycling, I was driving from that way recently (towards Cemetery Road), waiting in the left-hand lane at the lights, not indicating as I was going straight on. A motorcyclist pulled up next to me in the right-hand lane, and when the lights changed, went from the right-hand lane, in front of my car and down Lawrence Street, without indicating at all, and then shouting at me despite them having cut me off. Regrettably, it doesn't seem to just be cyclists who make stupid decisions at that junction.[/p][/quote]See the original comment, at no point does he say it makes it alright. You appear to be deliberately taking quotes out of context again.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Thank you, Mr Udigawa, for pointing this out. Sillybillies, immediately after the point you chose to end my quotation, I had put this: "That does not excuse it at all, but I'm just trying to offer another side - you have asked for comments, after all. But you're completely right, people like that do not help anyone..." I agreed with you for goodness' sake - what's the point in deliberately taking quotes out of context? Not only is it unfair to misrepresent other people's comments, it makes it seem like you're only contributing to create arguments rather than debate. In case you've missed it the first two times, what I said was: 'You're completely right'. I will not respond to any more messages you direct at me if you choose to deliberately ignore the parts of my posts that do not allow you to start irrelevant arguments. So long. RuckBogers
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7:33pm Mon 13 Aug 12

bolero says...

Sillybillies wrote:
I agree with you Bolero, the sentence is a joke and beyond belief, but we are never officially allowed to pass comments after sentence lest we dare to criticise the judicial system and especially the decisions of some judges.
I know that comment is prohibited before sentence is passed and probably rightly so. However, I'm not so sure about afterwards and I'm sure the Press would withdraw any comments made by individuals if it was thought they broke the law. So far as this case is concerned, whilst criticism would certainly appear to be justified, hopefully the judge in this case has awarded the maximum punishment available within the law.If not, one might ask why not? A drunken driver like this is equivalent to letting an idiot loose with a machine gun. He could potentially have hundreds of lives at his mercy. Compensation is no substitute for a life or permanent disablement and after all is said and done; a crime has been committed. I don't think any roaduser can unwittingly break the law as was suggested in this case. I notice that in reporting this case the Press has not allowed its readers the opportunity of commenting and that is why I have taken the opportunity to use the previous incident as a loophole to circumvent this ommision.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: I agree with you Bolero, the sentence is a joke and beyond belief, but we are never officially allowed to pass comments after sentence lest we dare to criticise the judicial system and especially the decisions of some judges.[/p][/quote]I know that comment is prohibited before sentence is passed and probably rightly so. However, I'm not so sure about afterwards and I'm sure the Press would withdraw any comments made by individuals if it was thought they broke the law. So far as this case is concerned, whilst criticism would certainly appear to be justified, hopefully the judge in this case has awarded the maximum punishment available within the law.If not, one might ask why not? A drunken driver like this is equivalent to letting an idiot loose with a machine gun. He could potentially have hundreds of lives at his mercy. Compensation is no substitute for a life or permanent disablement and after all is said and done; a crime has been committed. I don't think any roaduser can unwittingly break the law as was suggested in this case. I notice that in reporting this case the Press has not allowed its readers the opportunity of commenting and that is why I have taken the opportunity to use the previous incident as a loophole to circumvent this ommision. bolero
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1:27am Tue 14 Aug 12

YSTClinguist says...

RuckBogers wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
The exchange between the Spoonerised man from the 25th century and Yorkie-Clifton is the epitome of cycling debate here.

On the one hand we have calm reasoning and an ability to see both sides.
On the other, shouty hysterical nastiness and name-calling.

Yorkie-Clifton proving quite well that one side of this issue is driven by hate and prejudice.
Thanks, fellow sci-fi-themed commenter.

Retrospectively, I think Yorkie-Clifton may have thought my first post was in response to their one, which is why they kicked up a fuss that I hadn't answered their question. I thought it was quite clear I was just passing comment in general and not directing anything at any one person in particular, but perhaps not.

When I did answer the question, all it got in response was accusations of lies. I've never seen anyone form a vendetta so quickly and efficiently for no reason - it's actually quite impressive, yet hugely depressing at the same time...

But hey, that's life.

On another note, walking to and from the supermarket today, I had to move very slightly twice for cyclists on the pavement (no cycle lane). Naturally, I am now vehemently against anyone in the whole of York cycling at all and I burnt my bike to cinders as soon as I got home...(!)

TTFN everyone.
Speaking of supermarkets, just how are cyclists or pedestrians supposed to reach Monks Cross shopping centre from Heworth safely since the circus came to town?

They've only gone and poorly plonked a giant advertising trailer in an entrance/layby on the left, heading out of Heworth close to Monks Cross, which forces everyone to leave the pavement/cycle lane and walk in the dual carriageway where cars frequently drive over the 40mph limit. This will undoubtedly lead to instant death if someone's unlucky. Being in the school holidays it'll likely be a child.
[quote][p][bold]RuckBogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: The exchange between the Spoonerised man from the 25th century and Yorkie-Clifton is the epitome of cycling debate here. On the one hand we have calm reasoning and an ability to see both sides. On the other, shouty hysterical nastiness and name-calling. Yorkie-Clifton proving quite well that one side of this issue is driven by hate and prejudice.[/p][/quote]Thanks, fellow sci-fi-themed commenter. Retrospectively, I think Yorkie-Clifton may have thought my first post was in response to their one, which is why they kicked up a fuss that I hadn't answered their question. I thought it was quite clear I was just passing comment in general and not directing anything at any one person in particular, but perhaps not. When I did answer the question, all it got in response was accusations of lies. I've never seen anyone form a vendetta so quickly and efficiently for no reason - it's actually quite impressive, yet hugely depressing at the same time... But hey, that's life. On another note, walking to and from the supermarket today, I had to move very slightly twice for cyclists on the pavement (no cycle lane). Naturally, I am now vehemently against anyone in the whole of York cycling at all and I burnt my bike to cinders as soon as I got home...(!) TTFN everyone.[/p][/quote]Speaking of supermarkets, just how are cyclists or pedestrians supposed to reach Monks Cross shopping centre from Heworth safely since the circus came to town? They've only gone and poorly plonked a giant advertising trailer in an entrance/layby on the left, heading out of Heworth close to Monks Cross, which forces everyone to leave the pavement/cycle lane and walk in the dual carriageway where cars frequently drive over the 40mph limit. This will undoubtedly lead to instant death if someone's unlucky. Being in the school holidays it'll likely be a child. YSTClinguist
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5:40pm Tue 14 Aug 12

tachyon42 says...

Heh

Before complaining about cyclists (and I appreciate a cyclist was to blame in this situation although weasel words aside he /did/ stop)

How about pedestrians stop walking along cycle paths, I'm sick of having to dodge people who can't read the whacking great white lettering reading "Cycles only"

There's more than enough blame to go around, heh.
Heh Before complaining about cyclists (and I appreciate a cyclist was to blame in this situation although weasel words aside he /did/ stop) How about pedestrians stop walking along cycle paths, I'm sick of having to dodge people who can't read the whacking great white lettering reading "Cycles only" There's more than enough blame to go around, heh. tachyon42
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11:04pm Tue 14 Aug 12

Yorkie-Clifton says...

tachyon42 wrote:
Heh

Before complaining about cyclists (and I appreciate a cyclist was to blame in this situation although weasel words aside he /did/ stop)

How about pedestrians stop walking along cycle paths, I'm sick of having to dodge people who can't read the whacking great white lettering reading "Cycles only"

There's more than enough blame to go around, heh.
You will find that the pedestrian is terrified to walk on the pavements . So they use the little used safety of the cycle track .
[quote][p][bold]tachyon42[/bold] wrote: Heh Before complaining about cyclists (and I appreciate a cyclist was to blame in this situation although weasel words aside he /did/ stop) How about pedestrians stop walking along cycle paths, I'm sick of having to dodge people who can't read the whacking great white lettering reading "Cycles only" There's more than enough blame to go around, heh.[/p][/quote]You will find that the pedestrian is terrified to walk on the pavements . So they use the little used safety of the cycle track . Yorkie-Clifton
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11:31am Wed 15 Aug 12

Boadicea says...

I agree, pavements are'nt safe from cyclists.
I agree, pavements are'nt safe from cyclists. Boadicea
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8:46pm Wed 15 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Yorkie-Clifton wrote:
tachyon42 wrote: Heh Before complaining about cyclists (and I appreciate a cyclist was to blame in this situation although weasel words aside he /did/ stop) How about pedestrians stop walking along cycle paths, I'm sick of having to dodge people who can't read the whacking great white lettering reading "Cycles only" There's more than enough blame to go around, heh.
You will find that the pedestrian is terrified to walk on the pavements . So they use the little used safety of the cycle track .
Busted.
Wind up.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie-Clifton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tachyon42[/bold] wrote: Heh Before complaining about cyclists (and I appreciate a cyclist was to blame in this situation although weasel words aside he /did/ stop) How about pedestrians stop walking along cycle paths, I'm sick of having to dodge people who can't read the whacking great white lettering reading "Cycles only" There's more than enough blame to go around, heh.[/p][/quote]You will find that the pedestrian is terrified to walk on the pavements . So they use the little used safety of the cycle track .[/p][/quote]Busted. Wind up. Buzz Light-year
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1:04am Thu 16 Aug 12

Yorkie-Clifton says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Yorkie-Clifton wrote:
tachyon42 wrote: Heh Before complaining about cyclists (and I appreciate a cyclist was to blame in this situation although weasel words aside he /did/ stop) How about pedestrians stop walking along cycle paths, I'm sick of having to dodge people who can't read the whacking great white lettering reading "Cycles only" There's more than enough blame to go around, heh.
You will find that the pedestrian is terrified to walk on the pavements . So they use the little used safety of the cycle track .
Busted.
Wind up.
Bully --- Dry Up
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkie-Clifton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tachyon42[/bold] wrote: Heh Before complaining about cyclists (and I appreciate a cyclist was to blame in this situation although weasel words aside he /did/ stop) How about pedestrians stop walking along cycle paths, I'm sick of having to dodge people who can't read the whacking great white lettering reading "Cycles only" There's more than enough blame to go around, heh.[/p][/quote]You will find that the pedestrian is terrified to walk on the pavements . So they use the little used safety of the cycle track .[/p][/quote]Busted. Wind up.[/p][/quote]Bully --- Dry Up Yorkie-Clifton
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7:50am Thu 16 Aug 12

Boadicea says...

They're hardly safe if you can get knocked over.
They're hardly safe if you can get knocked over. Boadicea
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