Plan to charge for emptying green bins in York

9:50am Tuesday 24th July 2012 in News Photograph of the Author Exclusive By Mark Stead, Political Reporter

Plan to charge for emptying green bins Plan to charge for emptying green bins

FREE green waste collections could end under plans for a shake-up of York’s rubbish rounds.

City of York Council is considering introducing a “subscription-based service” and seasonal garden-waste collections in a bid to save £250,000 by the end of 2013/14.

It says funding cuts mean “unpalatable decisions” need to be made.

The days when residents’ rubbish is picked up could also be altered and “same-day” collections for grey and recycling bins may be stopped to help cut collection costs by £300,000 over two years. The public will be consulted next month on potential changes.

Coun Sandy Fraser , the Labour cabinet’s member for environmental services until tomorrow, said detailed proposals were being drawn up by officials.

Liberal Democrat councillor Ann Reid asked at the recent full council meeting how planned budget savings within the waste collection service will be made, and Coun Fraser said the green bin proposals would be discussed further in September.

It has yet to be confirmed when any seasonal or subscription service might be introduced, possible costs and what would happen if residents did not subscribe, but Coun Reid said she had “major concerns” about any reductions or charges.

She added: “We are also concerned about plans to introduce different-day grey bin and recycling collections. The more complicated you make the system, the more likely you are to get people missing collections and resorting to fly-tipping, or deciding not to recycle. We have repeatedly pushed Labour for information but have not received any firm answers.”

She accused Labour of listing budget savings without firm plans on how to meet them and said the proposals would exacerbate anger over the recent removal of 349 litter bins.

Coun Reid, who formerly held responsibility for front-line street services, said: “I know from experience that the only way to achieve these massive savings would be to make additional charges, reduce the service or make the collection system almost incomprehensible to residents.”

Coun Fraser said: “There are a number of unpalatable decisions required due to the massive reductions in Government funding. Officers are having to produce options to achieve the savings required, which will be considered in due course once proposals have been worked out in detail.”

Roger Ranson, the council’s assistant director for highways, waste and fleet, said: “Like all local authorities across the country facing serious budget cuts, we are always looking at new ways and different options for making services more cost-efficient.

“The council has a statutory duty to collect household refuse, and if and when any changes to waste collections are brought in, we will do this as smoothly as possible with residents being notified in advance. Our current intention is to set options out for members to consider later this year, to introduce next year.”

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stealerswheel says...
10:06am Tue 24 Jul 12

Charge us - it wouldn't be so bad if after they tipped the rubbish all over the road they cleaned it up! Our Council Tax is one of the highest in the country and they want more - YCC stop wasting OUR money on trivial things for visitors and spend it on the residents

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Bigwood says...
10:08am Tue 24 Jul 12

Just goes to show how completely out of touch the council are with the public. The council should be doing all they can to encourage environmentally responsible recycling and disposal of waste. Complicating procedures or making people incur extra cost will only discourage them from responsible waste disposable practices, leading to an increase in fly tipping and reduction in recycling. Exactly the type of behaviour that ruins any chance of a sustainable future.

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Bigwood says...
10:10am Tue 24 Jul 12

Apologies, correction - **disposal**

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susanann says...
10:10am Tue 24 Jul 12

we dont have much of a garden (no lawn )just flower tubs but we have 2 green bins as there are at least 8 trees in a property behind us that are protected by conservation and we get all the leaves ,we have a compost bin but that is full and we dont need much compost for our tubs surely we should not have to pay to have the council take what is clearly not our green waste away.

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york_chap says...
10:11am Tue 24 Jul 12

Well, I'm not paying. If it doesn't fit in the other bin it'll be going in the road a few streets away. If I lived nearer the council offices I'd dump the green bin waste there instead.

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themanthebeardthelegend says...
10:16am Tue 24 Jul 12

if they do bring this in I'd suggest people go to the Guild Hall en masse and dump the waste there.

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Despairing Yorkie says...
10:17am Tue 24 Jul 12

"Our Council Tax is one of the highest in the country and they want more"

Oh for chr**ts sake. York's council tax is one of the LOWEST in the country - and that's the problem. Everyone wants to have the highest quality of life in York but no-one wants to pay for it. And successive councils of all political colours have cultivated this obsession with keeping the council tax at an unsustainably low rate.

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ColdAsChristmas says...
10:20am Tue 24 Jul 12

One way of paying for the so called Community Stadium Andy D? The simple answer is to recycle your Green bin and burn the Green waste, goodness knows we need the carbon to fight off the next ice age. You asked for it, you will get it!

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jenkil2001 says...
10:20am Tue 24 Jul 12

I shall put mine in the grey bin, we already pay for this service and I for one won't be paying more. I am a pensioner, and unlike the gardens of students houses near me I have a lovely garden, which means I have lots of green waste.

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the commentator says...
10:27am Tue 24 Jul 12

hopefully if they charge us more, they can employ people who do not use the f and c words at the top of their voices at 8.00am whilst emptying the recycling bins, as we were subjected to last week,

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terranova says...
10:30am Tue 24 Jul 12

Never had a green bin in York - Refused to have it. All of our garden waste and non meat/non cooked kitchen waste goes in a simple home made double composter. Fill one side up - cover it - move it to other side after 3--4 months - start again - wonderful compost. And we only have a small garden. Oh - and only have the smallest amount of lawn you can get away with - we have non - life is too short to mow leaves weekly.
If you do end up paying for green bin collection - more fool you - but recoup some cost by getting free compost back from the council. They give it away twice a year.

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OLD - HEAD says...
10:39am Tue 24 Jul 12

We went from 52 waste collections per year, down to 26, just to facilitate the Green Bins. Now they want to charge us for the Green Bin collection. This is getting absolutely ridiculous!. When the wheelie bins were introduced we had strict guidelines to adhere to - Dont leave wheelie bins on public footpaths - Leave with handles pointing towards collectors. Yet the binmen seem to be given a license to chuck our empty bins where they like. The York City Council has simply run out of ideas!.

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TheTruthHurts says...
10:40am Tue 24 Jul 12

I suppose I am lucky, I have a big old garden and have two green bins which at this time of year I could easily fill 4 or 5 times over every fortnight - Ive started to burn quite a lot and I suppose I could pile up any excess by the river - which would be conveniently removed every time the river comes up!

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mightymag says...
10:49am Tue 24 Jul 12

Not waste related as such but an example of maybe where the council could save money:
We sold a house and asked for a recalculated CT bill as we knew we would have some to pay - gave dates of vacating - received a court summons despite never having received a bill and the total we owed- £1.28!! Maybe if people did their jobs properly in this department they would save a fortune as the court application costs money. We were told someone had 'missed' it. Why not start with waste within the department first as opposed to simply off loading the cost to residents as it is the easiest move.

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PKH says...
10:50am Tue 24 Jul 12

A lot of councils already charge for green bin emptying service which I think is wrong as it encourages garden waste to go in the land fill bins. I do compost quite a bit however I do not have any need for extra compost so being on limited income I will just grey bin my excess.

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bolero says...
10:54am Tue 24 Jul 12

themanthebeardtheleg
end wrote:
if they do bring this in I'd suggest people go to the Guild Hall en masse and dump the waste there.
Is there not enough waste in there all ready?

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Older Sometimes Wiser says...
11:00am Tue 24 Jul 12

Rather than charge for removal of green waste invest in systems that convert it to useful energy.I am sure that there are many organizations that that can and would advise the City Council how to do this at minimal cost to Council tax payers.
The problem with this Council is the lack of innovative intelligent thought ,personified by our "retiring" Cabinet Member and some of its Officers.
For more information Search for-
biomass energy conversion technologies.

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Jam tomorrow says...
11:00am Tue 24 Jul 12

Most ratepayers feel that they get three every
day tangible things for their money. Street lights, roads repaired and rubbish removed.
I suspect that's the plan, these things are to been targeted in order to "prove" to us all that the cuts are hurting.
It's political. The money is peanuts to a multi-million pound budget.
Remember this at the next council election.

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yorkie0802 says...
11:05am Tue 24 Jul 12

Advice for the council - if you are short of money why not take council tax for all the properties occupied by students - would make you a tidy sum!!

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bolero says...
11:06am Tue 24 Jul 12

It is suggested that we pay for emptying our green bins. OK, so who then pays for the clearing of fly tipping, clearance of road side verges, under hedgerows and additional waste left beside rubbish/litter bins? Because this is exactly what used to happen in the past before we got green bins. The council tax payer of course. So a double whammy. I hope when/if it comes to consultation that all the factors are considered. How much would be required as extra on our Council Tax bills in order to retain the present system? Not that much I wouldn't think. Now we know why tips are being closed and why litter bins are being taken away. So that we will be forced to pay for the green bin collection as there will be no alternative. How much did it cost to promote and sponsor the `Gay` march? It's time this rabble of a council got it's priorities right.

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dodgydavereturns says...
11:12am Tue 24 Jul 12

Hang on, Eric Pickles announced sometime ago, that the Government would provide more funding for council's that went back to weekly collections on waste!
Why have YCC not applied?
See below!

http://www.egovmonit
or.com/node/46331

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Jiffy says...
11:23am Tue 24 Jul 12

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Rather than charge for removal of green waste invest in systems that convert it to useful energy.I am sure that there are many organizations that that can and would advise the City Council how to do this at minimal cost to Council tax payers. The problem with this Council is the lack of innovative intelligent thought ,personified by our "retiring" Cabinet Member and some of its Officers. For more information Search for- biomass energy conversion technologies.
A very good point well put and is there not a plant a short distance away in Selby????

yorkie0802 says...
11:05am Tue 24 Jul 12

Advice for the council - if you are short of money why not take council tax for all the properties occupied by students - would make you a tidy sum!!

Couldn't agree more

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Geoffers says...
11:27am Tue 24 Jul 12

Never mind peeps!

At least we will have free wifi in the city.
:rolleyes:

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willo the wisp says...
11:29am Tue 24 Jul 12

What with the recent closure of Beckfield Lane site as a cost cutting exercise it's absolutely absurd that they are now proposing to charge for collecting green waste. Clearly you are not doing your homework to need to make changes so soon.

Saying that, this is par for the course from the clowns running our council.

Feel free to charge if you like and I'll be happy to return my green bin in person and stick it wherever you would like it.

There is already a noticeable increase in fly tipping on the east side of the city and this will only make the situation worse.

Wakey Wakey.... you are only adding to the problem, in fact you are quite possibly the cause of the problem.

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yorkandproud says...
11:45am Tue 24 Jul 12

Lets go back to burning it. I quite miss the smell of smoke on our washing when we bring it in. And the bloke two doors up lighting a fire just as I get sat down in the back garden. Oh for the good old days.

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3.8liter says...
12:01pm Tue 24 Jul 12

No problem for me . Plenty of room in my grey bin. couldn't care less.

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osbaldwicklane says...
12:17pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Maybe they need to spend another 60 grand on a car .

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Whis1962 says...
12:26pm Tue 24 Jul 12

jenkil2001 says...
10:20am Tue 24 Jul 12

I shall put mine in the grey bin, we already pay for this service and I for one won't be paying more. I am a pensioner, and unlike the gardens of students houses near me I have a lovely garden, which means I have lots of green waste.

Here, hear.
I will be dumping mine in Alexanders front garden.

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Garden Giant says...
12:27pm Tue 24 Jul 12

going to be quite honest here-if this stops being free Ill dump it on the side of the road.

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Maldini says...
12:28pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Here's an exapmle of how this department are saving money. A friend of mine is a bin man, his lorry reversed into a car (he wasnt driving). The result is the 3 man team are suspended (on full pay) while the council investigate the matter. Apparently this is council policy, I accept the driver should be suspended but why suspend the 2 blokes who were working with him. To date my friend has not worked for 5 weeks multiply this by 2 and I reckon the council have paid in excess of £3k in wages to two blokes sat in their garden enjoying the sun.

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Dustyoracle says...
12:28pm Tue 24 Jul 12

How lovely it would be to have a bin of any colour.In our street it is black bags which we have to buy ourselves.When the recycling is collected the road is left strewn with paper and even plastic bottles sometimes.When I reported that a recycling bin had not been returned after emptying I was promised one in June.Then in June I was told to put plastic bottles in carrier bags!
I have lived in London and elsewhere and think the Council tax is proportionate in expense but a lot is wasted on political projects such as excess cycling routes, idiosyncratic light controlled junctions and road schemes such as resurfacing Blossom Street for the Queen which are totally unnecessary.

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WestMoorian says...
12:29pm Tue 24 Jul 12

I think what everyone may be missing here is that we are yet to see the full extent of the government's cuts, so ably abetted by Cllr Reid's party nationally. The worrying thing, that has been noted in national press but not in the local media, is that the cuts are not front loaded - they were portrayed that way by the government, but the reverse is in fact the case. CYC faced a huge amount of savings (again I don't have a link to the figures for this) for this year's budget, that those savings are only a tiny amount of the overall cuts. The figures for which will appear in the next Comprehensive Spending Review. I would say that charging for green waste collection is a small price to pay for governmental cuts when the Council - political or not - has already done so much to come in under budget in the first of its two year budgeting process

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WestMoorian says...
12:29pm Tue 24 Jul 12

I think what everyone may be missing here is that we are yet to see the full extent of the government's cuts, so ably abetted by Cllr Reid's party nationally. The worrying thing, that has been noted in national press but not in the local media, is that the cuts are not front loaded - they were portrayed that way by the government, but the reverse is in fact the case. CYC faced a huge amount of savings (again I don't have a link to the figures for this) for this year's budget, that those savings are only a tiny amount of the overall cuts. The figures for which will appear in the next Comprehensive Spending Review. I would say that charging for green waste collection is a small price to pay for governmental cuts when the Council - political or not - has already done so much to come in under budget in the first of its two year budgeting process

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willo the wisp says...
12:36pm Tue 24 Jul 12

WestMoorian wrote:
I think what everyone may be missing here is that we are yet to see the full extent of the government's cuts, so ably abetted by Cllr Reid's party nationally. The worrying thing, that has been noted in national press but not in the local media, is that the cuts are not front loaded - they were portrayed that way by the government, but the reverse is in fact the case. CYC faced a huge amount of savings (again I don't have a link to the figures for this) for this year's budget, that those savings are only a tiny amount of the overall cuts. The figures for which will appear in the next Comprehensive Spending Review. I would say that charging for green waste collection is a small price to pay for governmental cuts when the Council - political or not - has already done so much to come in under budget in the first of its two year budgeting process
Please don't forget that they have just spent £60K on a new limo to ferry them around???

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retribution says...
12:43pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Rather than charge for removal of green waste invest in systems that convert it to useful energy.I am sure that there are many organizations that that can and would advise the City Council how to do this at minimal cost to Council tax payers. The problem with this Council is the lack of innovative intelligent thought ,personified by our "retiring" Cabinet Member and some of its Officers. For more information Search for- biomass energy conversion technologies.
No chance, Older sometimes Wiser.

The Council has so much dead wood & things dead from the neck up that they fear they might become fuel for the bio-mass plant!!!

We should recover the energy from all green waste by burning...I know more CO2... but 20 times better than composting which produces methane (20 times worse than CO2 as a greenhouse gas)

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Dustyoracle says...
12:44pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Nice reminder Willo.The likes of West Moorian just don't get it! Didn't dig the superior tone on Moorians letter either.

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Buzz Light-year says...
12:47pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Funniest thread for ages. You lot are so easy to wind up.
Oh the bins! I pay my taxes!
I want this I want that, I'm going to chuck it in the road I'm gonna chuck it in Alexander's garden!

Like kiddies.

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themanthebeardthelegend says...
12:47pm Tue 24 Jul 12

York isn't alone in this, fwiw. Some background information: http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-185
80191

On another note: a poster above mentioned the closure of the Beckfield Lane site. If they then charge for green waste collection where does that leave folks on that site of town for whom the nearest depot (I think?) is James Street, way out in town?

Surely that'll just cause traffic problems, pollution, etc. - not to mention problems for folks who can't drive, or can't afford the petrol, or don't have the time, or have mobility problems that make it difficult to move things around like that anyway...

Or - far more likely - folks just dumping it wherever they can, or chucking it in with the normal rubbish or whatever.

Not to mention putting people out of work since charging will mean far fewer people using the service, so fewer people being employed.

Sigh. Just another case of this council's short termism, trimming a bit off the budget without thinking through the consequences.

But hey, at least we get free wifi in the city centre now :P

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Dustyoracle says...
12:50pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Birds of a feather.....welcome to the playground Buzz

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Even AndyD says...
12:52pm Tue 24 Jul 12

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
One way of paying for the so called Community Stadium Andy D? The simple answer is to recycle your Green bin and burn the Green waste, goodness knows we need the carbon to fight off the next ice age. You asked for it, you will get it!
What on earth was that name check for? Why make this unrelated link? Lots of things are being funded by the Council - for example their £32m new offices. Why bring a facility up which is largely being paid for by private money and for which YCFC will be charged a sizable rent? And are you blaming me personally for this - why bring up my user-name. Uncalled for attack.
As for the story itself, too early to really make much of a comment - there are no firm details.

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themanthebeardthelegend says...
12:54pm Tue 24 Jul 12

bolero wrote:
themanthebeardtheleg

end wrote:
if they do bring this in I'd suggest people go to the Guild Hall en masse and dump the waste there.
Is there not enough waste in there all ready?
Fair point. Not much point composting either, since that building alone produces enough manure to supply the whole city :P

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Even AndyD says...
1:07pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Funniest thread for ages. You lot are so easy to wind up.
Oh the bins! I pay my taxes!
I want this I want that, I'm going to chuck it in the road I'm gonna chuck it in Alexander's garden!

Like kiddies.
Well, yes. The worst and scariest economic crisis the West has ever seen. Millions still dying of starvation in the third world. Pollution killing over a hundred a year in our own city (yes really, look it up). And what gets people deeply stressed? Bins!
Oh no - I've nowhere to put my sweety wrapper - let's march on the Guildhall. Eeeek - not collect my twigs? - How will I coooope! Bin wars! Lol.
Seriously - yes it is sometimes the little things which irk us. Yes, I can get carried away too. But at least lets have a laugh at ourselves! :)

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Mr Crabtree says...
1:08pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Like Bill Woolley did a runner before the truth about the LDF and Community Stadium comes out, Coun Sandy Fraser announced his stepping down only days before this issue hit the headlines.

Rats leaving a sinking ship ? I think so !

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Rosieposie says...
1:08pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Ridiculous, as if We don't pay enough. As someone who was made redundant I can manage without state help but the £205 a month council tax really hurts my finances, charge me more.....you are having a laugh.

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Mr Crabtree says...
1:09pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote: Funniest thread for ages. You lot are so easy to wind up. Oh the bins! I pay my taxes! I want this I want that, I'm going to chuck it in the road I'm gonna chuck it in Alexander's garden! Like kiddies.
Well, yes. The worst and scariest economic crisis the West has ever seen. Millions still dying of starvation in the third world. Pollution killing over a hundred a year in our own city (yes really, look it up). And what gets people deeply stressed? Bins! Oh no - I've nowhere to put my sweety wrapper - let's march on the Guildhall. Eeeek - not collect my twigs? - How will I coooope! Bin wars! Lol. Seriously - yes it is sometimes the little things which irk us. Yes, I can get carried away too. But at least lets have a laugh at ourselves! :)
More pleadings from the Labour stooges ? Yes, I think so !

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Even AndyD says...
1:14pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Just to be clear on this first, are you calling me a stooge, Mr Crabtree? Would you like to explain who you think I am this time?

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willo the wisp says...
1:15pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Funniest thread for ages. You lot are so easy to wind up.
Oh the bins! I pay my taxes!
I want this I want that, I'm going to chuck it in the road I'm gonna chuck it in Alexander's garden!

Like kiddies.
Buzz, is it any wonder people get "wound up" when we are threatened with the burden of more cost in tough enough financial times. The cost of living in this country is already beyond a joke.

You are obviously wealthy enough that a decision like this will not affect you but have a thought for the families who are already struggling to make ends meet in a very tough economic climate.

With councils continually wasting our money on needless expenditure and bad decisions it's only rubbing salt in the wounds......

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lis0r says...
1:16pm Tue 24 Jul 12

http://www.wickes.co
.uk/garden-incinerat
or/invt/159400/

I use the green bin because it's easy. Same goes for the recycling. The council cares about the environment, I do not. Make it difficult, or cost money, and I'll take an easier option.

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Mr Crabtree says...
1:18pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote: Funniest thread for ages. You lot are so easy to wind up. Oh the bins! I pay my taxes! I want this I want that, I'm going to chuck it in the road I'm gonna chuck it in Alexander's garden! Like kiddies.
Well, yes. The worst and scariest economic crisis the West has ever seen. Millions still dying of starvation in the third world. Pollution killing over a hundred a year in our own city (yes really, look it up). And what gets people deeply stressed? Bins! Oh no - I've nowhere to put my sweety wrapper - let's march on the Guildhall. Eeeek - not collect my twigs? - How will I coooope! Bin wars! Lol. Seriously - yes it is sometimes the little things which irk us. Yes, I can get carried away too. But at least lets have a laugh at ourselves! :)
It's not just the bins though is it ?

It's one thing after another;

* Closing Beckfield Lane tip.
* Getting rid of litter bins.
* Increased parking charges.
* Increased council tax.
* Charging for green waste disposal.
* No housing being built (I'll get stick for this one :-(

Meanwhile, Alexander borrows £20m for his pet projects - free wifi for the city centre. New council offices costing £43m, and £4m used for a stadium to bail out the local footy team.

I'm not laughing, and neither are the majority of posters who represent the majority of York residents.

Get rid of Alexander and his ragtag band at the next elections - they are a joke !

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Mr Crabtree says...
1:22pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
Just to be clear on this first, are you calling me a stooge, Mr Crabtree? Would you like to explain who you think I am this time?
Labour apologist ?

Just because they bailed out your footy club with a stadium - pretty obvious why you defend them, mate ;-)

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again says...
1:22pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Right, that's it: goodbye garden, hallo concrete.

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Even AndyD says...
1:24pm Tue 24 Jul 12

And your 'stooge' accusation? I need an answer on this, please.
The Council offices thing, stadium, housing policy, parking charges, increased tax were all things on-going under the last regime, weren't they? When JA wasn't leader. I'm not saying I'm a huge fan, but just stating facts.

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Mr Crabtree says...
1:26pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
And your 'stooge' accusation? I need an answer on this, please. The Council offices thing, stadium, housing policy, parking charges, increased tax were all things on-going under the last regime, weren't they? When JA wasn't leader. I'm not saying I'm a huge fan, but just stating facts.
Not a fan ?

Stop digging that hole, mate :(

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Even AndyD says...
1:26pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Mr Crabtree wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
Just to be clear on this first, are you calling me a stooge, Mr Crabtree? Would you like to explain who you think I am this time?
Labour apologist ?

Just because they bailed out your footy club with a stadium - pretty obvious why you defend them, mate ;-)
Very cheap. I have many interests, passions and hobbies beyond football. If you knew me, you would take that back.

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Mr Crabtree says...
1:29pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
And your 'stooge' accusation? I need an answer on this, please. The Council offices thing, stadium, housing policy, parking charges, increased tax were all things on-going under the last regime, weren't they? When JA wasn't leader. I'm not saying I'm a huge fan, but just stating facts.
Housing policy was Labour's even under the Lib-Dums - everyone knows that !

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Alpha Kenny Thing says...
1:30pm Tue 24 Jul 12

£50,000 to try and convince the organisers that the Tour de France should come to Yorkshire!!!!

How many bins would that empty?

Surely the safe and timely collection of waste should be a priority for a council not bloody stupid pie in the sky schemes that no one in their right mind wants?

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Mr Crabtree says...
1:32pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
Mr Crabtree wrote:
Even AndyD wrote: Just to be clear on this first, are you calling me a stooge, Mr Crabtree? Would you like to explain who you think I am this time?
Labour apologist ? Just because they bailed out your footy club with a stadium - pretty obvious why you defend them, mate ;-)
Very cheap. I have many interests, passions and hobbies beyond football. If you knew me, you would take that back.
Why don't you attack the council over this ? Do you want to pay for green waste ? You are ridiculing people who are clearly struggling with the costs heaped on them by this council - strange socialist ethos ?

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Mr Crabtree says...
1:35pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Alpha Kenny Thing wrote:
£50,000 to try and convince the organisers that the Tour de France should come to Yorkshire!!!! How many bins would that empty? Surely the safe and timely collection of waste should be a priority for a council not bloody stupid pie in the sky schemes that no one in their right mind wants?
Exactly !

They throw money away like this, then claim they are cutting costs because of the austerity measures by the Lib-Con coalition - same old Labour always lying and cheating !

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DEKKA says...
1:44pm Tue 24 Jul 12

I was wondering when cyclists would be blamed for the non-collection of green rubbish.

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Alpha Kenny Thing says...
1:51pm Tue 24 Jul 12

DEKKA wrote:
I was wondering when cyclists would be blamed for the non-collection of green rubbish.
I was not blaming cyclist's (I am one myself). I was simply giving an example of how the council seem to have lost the plot and forgotten where their responsibilities lie.

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bloodaxe says...
1:52pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Despairing Yorkie wrote:
"Our Council Tax is one of the highest in the country and they want more"

Oh for chr**ts sake. York's council tax is one of the LOWEST in the country - and that's the problem. Everyone wants to have the highest quality of life in York but no-one wants to pay for it. And successive councils of all political colours have cultivated this obsession with keeping the council tax at an unsustainably low rate.
Quite right. Councils should be given the right to charge whatever is deemed appropriate in order to provide services. Councils are having to fight with one hand tied behind their backs. Given what is provided by the council, it's amazing that taxes are so low. Clearly not everyone will be happy with their personal circumstances but that's democracy. As for dumping rubbish in the street, as has been suggested above, that's just the sort of hyperbolic twaddle which makes one despair of the internet. I want Scandinavian services and am happy to pay Scandinavian style taxes - but I want them in this country.

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Even AndyD says...
1:53pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Mr Crabtree wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
Mr Crabtree wrote:
Even AndyD wrote: Just to be clear on this first, are you calling me a stooge, Mr Crabtree? Would you like to explain who you think I am this time?
Labour apologist ? Just because they bailed out your footy club with a stadium - pretty obvious why you defend them, mate ;-)
Very cheap. I have many interests, passions and hobbies beyond football. If you knew me, you would take that back.
Why don't you attack the council over this ? Do you want to pay for green waste ? You are ridiculing people who are clearly struggling with the costs heaped on them by this council - strange socialist ethos ?
I will reply to that, Mr C, but please don't insult me or judge my replies as anything other than my opinion.

I think cuts need to be made. Litter bins seemed sensible because we can all take our sweety wrappers home. In the city centre it is different, because people buy food etc. In Poppleton, meanwhile, I think we can do without a waste bin on every corner.

Green bins - I'm not so sure. I don't like spurious comparisons, as you know. This has nothing to do with the Tour de France. The decision must be made on merit - whether getting rid of green bins is fair and whether it will save money or not. Will people dump stuff and will costs be incurred clearing it, for example? The cycle thing is just a red herring and in any case, £50k may will attract millions - the TdF is one of the most watched sporting events in the world and putting our city (and N.Yorks) on map is priceless. Which is why companies pay a fortune for TV advertising. It is to be noted that councils of all colours are supporting this, not just Labour.

What would get me riled enough to complain to the council, you asked? If they stopped helping the homeless - that is simply unfair. If they tried to close The Glen respite centre (selfish I suppose you would call that - but my family couldn't function without it). I was irritated when York CVS had to close for half the week due to lack of funding. I started a voluntary group for the disabled through their help, what is the Big Society all about if you can't support people who work for no wages to help others. So yes - like you I get annoyed by a mixture of things - somethings that heavily impact on me, but also more altruistic issues where fairness and decency are at risk.

I'm not perfect. But I don't condemn councils just because of their political colour. I do vote Labour - but I don't agree with all their policies, like some unthinking sheep. I don't (for what its worth) think JA is particularly competent. He is making a lot of mistakes, I presume through lack of experience - sees to me he has a somewhat roughshod style which ruffles feathers unnecessarily.

As or making a joke; I tend to see the funny side in life, sorry if that irks you. But when you've had the hits in life that I have had - its quite a good coping mechanism, believe me! You like to rant, I like to use a little irony now and then. Each to their own - boring if we all agreed!

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bloodaxe says...
1:54pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Rather than charge for removal of green waste invest in systems that convert it to useful energy.I am sure that there are many organizations that that can and would advise the City Council how to do this at minimal cost to Council tax payers.
The problem with this Council is the lack of innovative intelligent thought ,personified by our "retiring" Cabinet Member and some of its Officers.
For more information Search for-
biomass energy conversion technologies.
I believe that South Oxfordshire DC already do this.

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steve_york says...
1:58pm Tue 24 Jul 12

what a great idea, and like everything else, they can start charging us for street cleaning and our recycling even thought this should come under our already very expensive council tax. in fact thats not a bad idea and if anything as stupid as theres! everyone stop using green bins and just dump it on the road side like a lot will do so they dont have to pay!

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steve_york says...
2:02pm Tue 24 Jul 12

P.S.

the recycling that we do has already shown on TV partly what a waste of time it is, because what the government/councils cant sell on, they sell to india so they can dump it on there ground, just pushing it onto someone else and leave it as there problem, typical government answer - pass it on to someone else!
Even though the idea of recycling is obviously good to do, it still doesn't work, just a stop gap at our cost...

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themanthebeardthelegend says...
2:08pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
Funniest thread for ages. You lot are so easy to wind up.
Oh the bins! I pay my taxes!
I want this I want that, I'm going to chuck it in the road I'm gonna chuck it in Alexander's garden!

Like kiddies.
Well, yes. The worst and scariest economic crisis the West has ever seen. Millions still dying of starvation in the third world. Pollution killing over a hundred a year in our own city (yes really, look it up). And what gets people deeply stressed? Bins!
Oh no - I've nowhere to put my sweety wrapper - let's march on the Guildhall. Eeeek - not collect my twigs? - How will I coooope! Bin wars! Lol.
Seriously - yes it is sometimes the little things which irk us. Yes, I can get carried away too. But at least lets have a laugh at ourselves! :)
I'm glad you feel so free to be so contemptuous towards folks potentially facing losing their jobs, cuts to services, having their neighbourhoods flooded with trash - and, due to folks driving to drop off their rubbish, even higher levels of the very pollution you claim to be so concerned about. I can only hope your constituents remember this come election time (assuming you're the AndyD I think you are).

And your comment about millions starving in the third world is just ridiculous. The fact that huge problems exist doesn't mean we just ignore or don't care about the smaller ones.

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Even AndyD says...
2:10pm Tue 24 Jul 12

People also rant about nanny states and not allowing us to take personal responsibility for our lives. Then the minute someone suggests taking our little home with us - we boo-hoo-hoo about it.

Personally, I want my Council to provide education, care for the elderly, infirm, disabled, homeless as first priority. If that means not dropping litter, I'll do it. We don't know the score re green bins, there is simply no detail to go on. But look, if littler and waste collection is your main 'thing' then okay - I have to respect that. But you can't just dump it in the street, you've got to use your vote to change things. If you object to following rules and want total freedom, don't ring the police next time you are burgled! Democracy is about obeying the laws made by the ruling power.

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Even AndyD says...
2:13pm Tue 24 Jul 12

themanthebeardtheleg
end wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
Funniest thread for ages. You lot are so easy to wind up.
Oh the bins! I pay my taxes!
I want this I want that, I'm going to chuck it in the road I'm gonna chuck it in Alexander's garden!

Like kiddies.
Well, yes. The worst and scariest economic crisis the West has ever seen. Millions still dying of starvation in the third world. Pollution killing over a hundred a year in our own city (yes really, look it up). And what gets people deeply stressed? Bins!
Oh no - I've nowhere to put my sweety wrapper - let's march on the Guildhall. Eeeek - not collect my twigs? - How will I coooope! Bin wars! Lol.
Seriously - yes it is sometimes the little things which irk us. Yes, I can get carried away too. But at least lets have a laugh at ourselves! :)
I'm glad you feel so free to be so contemptuous towards folks potentially facing losing their jobs, cuts to services, having their neighbourhoods flooded with trash - and, due to folks driving to drop off their rubbish, even higher levels of the very pollution you claim to be so concerned about. I can only hope your constituents remember this come election time (assuming you're the AndyD I think you are).

And your comment about millions starving in the third world is just ridiculous. The fact that huge problems exist doesn't mean we just ignore or don't care about the smaller ones.
I'm not that AndyD - no. And I do care about jobs - very much so. But I also care about front line services. I'm happy to take my litter home if it means they don't shut care homes for the elderly, or throw the homeless on the street.
If you prefer it the other way round, that is your choice. Unfair - yes? But you just did that to me!

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Sawday2 says...
2:13pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Why not dump your green waste in the Minster Gardens. Judging by the discarded take-away coffee cups, sandwich wrappers and crisp packets strewn around yesterday that's what everyone else seems to have done as there was no bin in sight.

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jumpersforgoalposts says...
2:16pm Tue 24 Jul 12

i'm with you 'again'
i'll concrete me garden like others in the street and let others worry about flooding and air pollution, it seems that is what the council want, they must have a plan to cope with all the excess surface water and the effect it will have on drains and the like, I mean they cope so well with things like that with the current levels don't they!
this is the real cost of public sector pensions friends!!!

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Matt_S says...
2:21pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
People also rant about nanny states and not allowing us to take personal responsibility for our lives. Then the minute someone suggests taking our little home with us - we boo-hoo-hoo about it.

Personally, I want my Council to provide education, care for the elderly, infirm, disabled, homeless as first priority. If that means not dropping litter, I'll do it. We don't know the score re green bins, there is simply no detail to go on. But look, if littler and waste collection is your main 'thing' then okay - I have to respect that. But you can't just dump it in the street, you've got to use your vote to change things. If you object to following rules and want total freedom, don't ring the police next time you are burgled! Democracy is about obeying the laws made by the ruling power.
You're right that we have no detail to go on, and based on public reaction I suspect any plans to charge extra will be thrown out (with the rubbish).

I don't think litter and waste collection is anyone's main 'thing' but given that *everyone* is affected by it, making things more complicated is a great way to slightly **** off literally the whole city.

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themanthebeardthelegend says...
2:28pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
themanthebeardtheleg

end wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
Funniest thread for ages. You lot are so easy to wind up.
Oh the bins! I pay my taxes!
I want this I want that, I'm going to chuck it in the road I'm gonna chuck it in Alexander's garden!

Like kiddies.
Well, yes. The worst and scariest economic crisis the West has ever seen. Millions still dying of starvation in the third world. Pollution killing over a hundred a year in our own city (yes really, look it up). And what gets people deeply stressed? Bins!
Oh no - I've nowhere to put my sweety wrapper - let's march on the Guildhall. Eeeek - not collect my twigs? - How will I coooope! Bin wars! Lol.
Seriously - yes it is sometimes the little things which irk us. Yes, I can get carried away too. But at least lets have a laugh at ourselves! :)
I'm glad you feel so free to be so contemptuous towards folks potentially facing losing their jobs, cuts to services, having their neighbourhoods flooded with trash - and, due to folks driving to drop off their rubbish, even higher levels of the very pollution you claim to be so concerned about. I can only hope your constituents remember this come election time (assuming you're the AndyD I think you are).

And your comment about millions starving in the third world is just ridiculous. The fact that huge problems exist doesn't mean we just ignore or don't care about the smaller ones.
I'm not that AndyD - no. And I do care about jobs - very much so. But I also care about front line services. I'm happy to take my litter home if it means they don't shut care homes for the elderly, or throw the homeless on the street.
If you prefer it the other way round, that is your choice. Unfair - yes? But you just did that to me!
I'm not that AndyD - no. And I do care about jobs - very much so. But I also care about front line services. I'm happy to take my litter home if it means they don't shut care homes for the elderly, or throw the homeless on the street. If you prefer it the other way round, that is your choice. Unfair - yes? But you just did that to me!


My mistake on the identity thing - my apologies.

The point about taking your litter home isn't really the point, though, is it? This proposal isn't about random bits of litter like sweet wrappers or whatever, but about the green bin collections - rubbish which is generally in higher volume, and which if this goes through can't really be disposed of without either

a: burning it (do you really want large numbers of untrained people setting fires?)
b: dumping it (either leaving neighbourhoods full of trash or costing the council to go collect it - I suspect the former)
c: driving to a depot, which isn't an option for everyone (particularly since Beckfield Lane shut, and for those who can't drive or don't have time or can't afford the petrol)
d: forking out for whatever the council decides to set as a fee, which itself is on top of the already raised council tax - for folks already feeling the bite from austerity measures as it is, having to pay for a service they previously got for free may just not be feasible.

I care about frontline services as well - very much so. In fact I'm involved in campaigns around exactly those issues. But one such frontline service is rubbish collection, and while it may not be the biggest or most traumatic of things to be cut, it's still an issue.

(Another issue, fwiw, is the proposed cuts to care services, upping the criteria from Moderate to Substantial - though that's another discussion.)

On a local level, the money thrown at the free wifi system for example would have been far better used in protecting services people actually use such as this. More generally of course this is a national issue, and whatever cuts are happening locally can't be divorced from the measures being implemented nationally. Measures which every party, Labour, LibDem, Green, Tory or whatever else is implicated in to one extent or another, whether locally, nationally or both.

I do realise my initial comment towards you was rather unfair though - my apologies.

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themanthebeardthelegend says...
2:32pm Tue 24 Jul 12

bah, screwed up the formatting on that one - oops!

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Even AndyD says...
2:49pm Tue 24 Jul 12

themanthebeardtheleg
end wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
themanthebeardtheleg


end wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
Funniest thread for ages. You lot are so easy to wind up.
Oh the bins! I pay my taxes!
I want this I want that, I'm going to chuck it in the road I'm gonna chuck it in Alexander's garden!

Like kiddies.
Well, yes. The worst and scariest economic crisis the West has ever seen. Millions still dying of starvation in the third world. Pollution killing over a hundred a year in our own city (yes really, look it up). And what gets people deeply stressed? Bins!
Oh no - I've nowhere to put my sweety wrapper - let's march on the Guildhall. Eeeek - not collect my twigs? - How will I coooope! Bin wars! Lol.
Seriously - yes it is sometimes the little things which irk us. Yes, I can get carried away too. But at least lets have a laugh at ourselves! :)
I'm glad you feel so free to be so contemptuous towards folks potentially facing losing their jobs, cuts to services, having their neighbourhoods flooded with trash - and, due to folks driving to drop off their rubbish, even higher levels of the very pollution you claim to be so concerned about. I can only hope your constituents remember this come election time (assuming you're the AndyD I think you are).

And your comment about millions starving in the third world is just ridiculous. The fact that huge problems exist doesn't mean we just ignore or don't care about the smaller ones.
I'm not that AndyD - no. And I do care about jobs - very much so. But I also care about front line services. I'm happy to take my litter home if it means they don't shut care homes for the elderly, or throw the homeless on the street.
If you prefer it the other way round, that is your choice. Unfair - yes? But you just did that to me!
I'm not that AndyD - no. And I do care about jobs - very much so. But I also care about front line services. I'm happy to take my litter home if it means they don't shut care homes for the elderly, or throw the homeless on the street. If you prefer it the other way round, that is your choice. Unfair - yes? But you just did that to me!


My mistake on the identity thing - my apologies.

The point about taking your litter home isn't really the point, though, is it? This proposal isn't about random bits of litter like sweet wrappers or whatever, but about the green bin collections - rubbish which is generally in higher volume, and which if this goes through can't really be disposed of without either

a: burning it (do you really want large numbers of untrained people setting fires?)
b: dumping it (either leaving neighbourhoods full of trash or costing the council to go collect it - I suspect the former)
c: driving to a depot, which isn't an option for everyone (particularly since Beckfield Lane shut, and for those who can't drive or don't have time or can't afford the petrol)
d: forking out for whatever the council decides to set as a fee, which itself is on top of the already raised council tax - for folks already feeling the bite from austerity measures as it is, having to pay for a service they previously got for free may just not be feasible.

I care about frontline services as well - very much so. In fact I'm involved in campaigns around exactly those issues. But one such frontline service is rubbish collection, and while it may not be the biggest or most traumatic of things to be cut, it's still an issue.

(Another issue, fwiw, is the proposed cuts to care services, upping the criteria from Moderate to Substantial - though that's another discussion.)

On a local level, the money thrown at the free wifi system for example would have been far better used in protecting services people actually use such as this. More generally of course this is a national issue, and whatever cuts are happening locally can't be divorced from the measures being implemented nationally. Measures which every party, Labour, LibDem, Green, Tory or whatever else is implicated in to one extent or another, whether locally, nationally or both.

I do realise my initial comment towards you was rather unfair though - my apologies.
No worries - I'd like to change this user-name, you aren't the first to make that mistake! Am sure you do care about front-line services, was just demonstrating the 'emotional blackmail' thing is a little unfair, as you graciously agreed.

I do think cutting green bins is a step too far, if that is simply what is going to be done, but we've yet to see the full detail. I also worry about the repercussions - especially dumping/ fly-tipping and I hope this has been properly thought through. I don't compare with stuff like wifi, because to me its a separate issue. If wifi is a waste of money, then we shouldn't be doing it irrespective of anything else.

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PKH says...
3:01pm Tue 24 Jul 12

yorkie0802 wrote:
Advice for the council - if you are short of money why not take council tax for all the properties occupied by students - would make you a tidy sum!!
Because the council CANNOT legally charge council tax on properties occupied by students, it would require a change in the law of the land to permit this.

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Torycouncil2015 says...
3:16pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Before people fall for Labour's blame the government nonsense, lets check the facts. Labour INCREASED spending in a number of areas with their budget. This is what cuts to services like this are paying for.

a) £1.5 million a year "Delivery and Innovation Fund" basically a pot of money for Calamity James to run his next election campaign

b) £20 million "Economic Infrastructure Fund" This one is another £1.5 million a year to pay back debts for a slush fund on a scale never before seen in the country! You can see now the vultures circling York knowing full well a fool and his money are easily parted. Welcome to Yorkshire already snaffled up £50,000 for an ad campaign, I even heard a rumour at the last meeting he promised Leeds Bradford a whopping £1 million sweetener
c) More money for unions. Over and above the hundreds of thousands already given to them
d) more money for themsleves. Increasing the number of cabinet members (the highest paid Councillors) by 1 at the same time as reducing the number of assistant directors, directors, senior management.
e) £100,000 a year to regulated buses that has done nothing in two years

I could go on. But please be in doubt. This is a career politician paid by his masters down South to inflict cuts in the most painful and widespread fashion possible to help the national party's general election campaign.

All of the cuts so far opposed by the public, Beckfield Lane, Green Bin collection, Litter bins, Burnholme school had costed alternatives. They were the choice of this ideological administration and they should never be allowed to forget that.

They claim to be the party of the poor but in reality they're a bunch of self important career politician millionaires who are more than welcome to inflict misery on the weakest of our society for their own political benefit.

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Whitetornado says...
3:16pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Apologies if I have missed a comment (or am repeating) in this very long thread, but if this charge was to be introduced how on earth could the council police who has paid and who hasn't.

Would it mean that green bins would need to be personalised (micro chip them or something) a bit of a cost there too me thinks.

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LindaNess says...
3:25pm Tue 24 Jul 12

We have a fairly large garden and do compost quite a lot of our grass cuttings and other garden clippings. However, we live on a corner site and the council either fail to control the weeds/grass/shrubs etc. outside our property and I or my husband do this for them as we cannot abide looking at this mess. The council gave us an extra bin when I approached them about this. Although we save the council work, I am not prepared to pay to do so and it will just have to remain the mess that the council thinks is their standard.

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Gary Gilmores Eyes says...
3:34pm Tue 24 Jul 12

They already do charge us, its called Council Tax!

If that is already too high for the services provided is another debate.

What does York council do with the compost they get from the green bin service now? Do they sell it?

I suspect they want their palms greased from both sides, as usual.

They can have all the plans they like. Plan to be out of office next time round!

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mickrick says...
3:36pm Tue 24 Jul 12

I dont give a monkeys, i gave up on green bin when the Operative person who collects them with an IQ of a slug refused to take mine because there was a cabbage stalk from my garden in it.
He said it was kitchen waste and stuck a sticker on my bin saying so.
I took the bin and its contents to the council yard and told them to shove it where the sun dont shine . I do not have a green bin, i am green binless bliss I refuse to give in to petty jobsworths and if the hedge bottoms fill up with rubbish and farmers gates become inaccessable then so be it.

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dionysius says...
3:36pm Tue 24 Jul 12

york_chap wrote:
Well, I'm not paying. If it doesn't fit in the other bin it'll be going in the road a few streets away. If I lived nearer the council offices I'd dump the green bin waste there instead.
My sentiments exactly. It is really quite simple to me: if they want us to recycle, don't charge extra. If they aren't bothered about recycling, charge extra. I, for one, will not be doing any recycling if these charges come in.

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lis0r says...
3:42pm Tue 24 Jul 12

PKH wrote:
yorkie0802 wrote:
Advice for the council - if you are short of money why not take council tax for all the properties occupied by students - would make you a tidy sum!!
Because the council CANNOT legally charge council tax on properties occupied by students, it would require a change in the law of the land to permit this.
And why's that? BECAUSE IT'S REIMBURSED FROM CENTRAL GOVERNMENT FUNDS SO THAT COUNCILS DON'T LOSE OUT.

The parochial eduphobia round here is incredible. It's hardly surprising that York didn't get it's grant to be a city of the future, given how backwards thinking its locals are.

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Kelvar says...
4:38pm Tue 24 Jul 12

osbaldwicklane wrote:
Maybe they need to spend another 60 grand on a car .
Or maybe on a few more 'Temporary' positions!!

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willo the wisp says...
4:42pm Tue 24 Jul 12

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/9834610.
Archbishop_of_York_c
alls_on_businesses_t
o_be_fair/

How Apt !!!!!

Lets hope City Of York Council attend.....

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Silver says...
4:43pm Tue 24 Jul 12

mickrick wrote:
I dont give a monkeys, i gave up on green bin when the Operative person who collects them with an IQ of a slug refused to take mine because there was a cabbage stalk from my garden in it.
He said it was kitchen waste and stuck a sticker on my bin saying so.
I took the bin and its contents to the council yard and told them to shove it where the sun dont shine . I do not have a green bin, i am green binless bliss I refuse to give in to petty jobsworths and if the hedge bottoms fill up with rubbish and farmers gates become inaccessable then so be it.
Umm isn't that mildly psychotic? Surely you could just ring up the council and explain that whilst cabbage stalks are used in the kitchen they are veg and do compost and if you're a keen gardener you have the right to put green waste in a green bin and could they please pick it up? I agree that from your description it sounded like a jobsworth reply to you but your response is a bit OTT

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Even AndyD says...
5:01pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
Before people fall for Labour's blame the government nonsense, lets check the facts. Labour INCREASED spending in a number of areas with their budget. This is what cuts to services like this are paying for.

a) £1.5 million a year "Delivery and Innovation Fund" basically a pot of money for Calamity James to run his next election campaign

b) £20 million "Economic Infrastructure Fund" This one is another £1.5 million a year to pay back debts for a slush fund on a scale never before seen in the country! You can see now the vultures circling York knowing full well a fool and his money are easily parted. Welcome to Yorkshire already snaffled up £50,000 for an ad campaign, I even heard a rumour at the last meeting he promised Leeds Bradford a whopping £1 million sweetener
c) More money for unions. Over and above the hundreds of thousands already given to them
d) more money for themsleves. Increasing the number of cabinet members (the highest paid Councillors) by 1 at the same time as reducing the number of assistant directors, directors, senior management.
e) £100,000 a year to regulated buses that has done nothing in two years

I could go on. But please be in doubt. This is a career politician paid by his masters down South to inflict cuts in the most painful and widespread fashion possible to help the national party's general election campaign.

All of the cuts so far opposed by the public, Beckfield Lane, Green Bin collection, Litter bins, Burnholme school had costed alternatives. They were the choice of this ideological administration and they should never be allowed to forget that.

They claim to be the party of the poor but in reality they're a bunch of self important career politician millionaires who are more than welcome to inflict misery on the weakest of our society for their own political benefit.
Lol..You can say lots of things about JA, but I don't think he is a millionaire! You are a one, Torycouncil!

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Yorkie-Clifton says...
5:10pm Tue 24 Jul 12

I agree J A is not a millionaire . This was obvious when he party first won the elections . He had to go to the Chief Executive for an advancement on his Salary . I think Torycouncil2015 is getting carried away . hahhaha .
However if a charge is imposed i certainly will not pay it . I live in a smokeless area and i am sure you will
see smoke arising from not only my house but many other households . i will not dump it .

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gmc_1963 says...
5:35pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Already paid for
NO

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Jazzper says...
6:04pm Tue 24 Jul 12

gmc_1963 wrote:
Already paid for
NO
Agreed! I already pay for road sweeping that never happens. I live in a cul-de-sac, road sweeper comes about every 6>8 weeks, turns at the bottom...never comes anywhere near my house,

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Yorkie-Clifton says...
6:08pm Tue 24 Jul 12

I must admit -- Torycouncil2015 I am very concerned at your observations . I would think that there is a lot of truth in what you say .. I hope This PRESS will keep us informed . Please . Of course along with yourself . Please . Thank you

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Buzz Light-year says...
6:17pm Tue 24 Jul 12

a: burning it (do you really want large numbers of untrained people setting fires?)

This made me laugh the best

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Yorkie-Clifton says...
7:07pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Buzz Light-year wrote:
a: burning it (do you really want large numbers of untrained people setting fires?)

This made me laugh the best
I am pleased you found my comment funny . As a child i was very happy to make a bonfire of garden waste . even as i grew older it was the thing to do . Then we where educated ??? to compost . This attracted rats and mice . A compost heap is very warm . You don't need trained people to light a garden fire . Happy Days .
Thats before the Do Gooders appeared . They knew it all and all from books . hahaah

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arglemcgee says...
9:49pm Tue 24 Jul 12

lis0r wrote:
http://www.wickes.co

.uk/garden-incinerat

or/invt/159400/

I use the green bin because it's easy. Same goes for the recycling. The council cares about the environment, I do not. Make it difficult, or cost money, and I'll take an easier option.
In other words, "give me convenience or give me death". Never mind the consequences. Never mind the future.

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Mizi123 says...
9:50pm Tue 24 Jul 12

How can you possibly be charged for something your already paying for???This council never ceases to amaze me,their spending my money to extend monks x,something i do not want,then they want more money to empty my bin,give your bloody heads a shake.

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Mr Crabtree says...
10:08pm Tue 24 Jul 12

BREAKING NEWS !

Just read that Bill Woolley's replacement has been announced. His successor is a Darren Richardson who was one of four assistant directors in the Development, Environment, & Culture department at Barnsley Council, where he was responsible for Environmental Services, but not Planning & Regulatory Services or Strategy, Growth & Regeneration Services. So York select someone with an emphasis on the lesser of the three areas, and the wrong one in terms of where York's needs are in developing the new Local Plan, and growth. Why have the Council gone for a lightweight rookie ? Is it because of his political leanings rather than his intellect and experience ? It certainly looks that way, because Barnsley is hardly a council that is trail blazing economic growth ? !!!

Is this guy really the best of a bunch of 70 applicants ?

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yorkshirelad says...
10:33pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Hilarious! This is even better than the hysteria when they went to alternating grey/green collections - I thought the world was going to end then!

I've got a front and back garden and have used my green bin about three times since the whole thing started. I have one compost bin... I just chuck it all in and it virtually disappears...Once a year I do pull out some of the compost and check it on the rest of the garden. Big twigs/branches I just leave at the back of a border - they disappear eventually too!

Most people could quite easily live without a green bin ...and without wild threats of putting in the grey bins or fly tipping.

I must be doing something wrong...but really!

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Yorkie-Clifton says...
11:19pm Tue 24 Jul 12

yorkshirelad wrote:
Hilarious! This is even better than the hysteria when they went to alternating grey/green collections - I thought the world was going to end then!

I've got a front and back garden and have used my green bin about three times since the whole thing started. I have one compost bin... I just chuck it all in and it virtually disappears...Once a year I do pull out some of the compost and check it on the rest of the garden. Big twigs/branches I just leave at the back of a border - they disappear eventually too!

Most people could quite easily live without a green bin ...and without wild threats of putting in the grey bins or fly tipping.

I must be doing something wrong...but really!
You sound like the guy who lives at the bottom of my garden - Lazy B-g-er. You have no idea of composting . Big twigs and branches you dump at bottom of garden hahahah Pity the people who back onto you . Yes what you are doing wrong is NO GARDENING --hahah Bet you have a Yard and For courted Terrace house .Give people the credit for seeing through a Joker . hahaaah

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Mr Crabtree says...
11:20pm Tue 24 Jul 12

yorkshirelad wrote:
Hilarious! This is even better than the hysteria when they went to alternating grey/green collections - I thought the world was going to end then!

I've got a front and back garden and have used my green bin about three times since the whole thing started. I have one compost bin... I just chuck it all in and it virtually disappears...Once a year I do pull out some of the compost and check it on the rest of the garden. Big twigs/branches I just leave at the back of a border - they disappear eventually too!

Most people could quite easily live without a green bin ...and without wild threats of putting in the grey bins or fly tipping.

I must be doing something wrong...but really!
Ever thought of cutting the grass ?

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Razzeldazzle says...
11:36pm Tue 24 Jul 12

Mr Crabtree wrote:
BREAKING NEWS !

Just read that Bill Woolley's replacement has been announced. His successor is a Darren Richardson who was one of four assistant directors in the Development, Environment, & Culture department at Barnsley Council, where he was responsible for Environmental Services, but not Planning & Regulatory Services or Strategy, Growth & Regeneration Services. So York select someone with an emphasis on the lesser of the three areas, and the wrong one in terms of where York's needs are in developing the new Local Plan, and growth. Why have the Council gone for a lightweight rookie ? Is it because of his political leanings rather than his intellect and experience ? It certainly looks that way, because Barnsley is hardly a council that is trail blazing economic growth ? !!!

Is this guy really the best of a bunch of 70 applicants ?
Great just what we need another environment nut in charge. Mind you thinking about it he might recommend this is not a good idea. My green bin went missing a few weeks ago. It took 6 weeks to get a replacement so I just chucked it all in the grey bin like I used to before the green bins were implemented and which is just what I will do if I have to pay.

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Woody G Mellor says...
12:39am Wed 25 Jul 12

What a load of fuss about nothing. How the hell did you used to manage before you had the green bins? You people really need to get a grip. God forbid anything serious happens.

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bolero says...
7:58am Wed 25 Jul 12

Woody G Mellor wrote:
What a load of fuss about nothing. How the hell did you used to manage before you had the green bins? You people really need to get a grip. God forbid anything serious happens.
We know what happened to a lot of it. It went in with the other rubbish, it was dumped under hedgerows, a bag of greenery was left next to a litter bin or on a grass verge. Worst of all it was thrown over the garden fence probably into a ditch or culvert preventing rainwater from running away resulting in flooding. You don't say what you did yourself so how did you get rid of it?

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Torycouncil2015 says...
8:02am Wed 25 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
Torycouncil2015 wrote:
Before people fall for Labour's blame the government nonsense, lets check the facts. Labour INCREASED spending in a number of areas with their budget. This is what cuts to services like this are paying for.

a) £1.5 million a year "Delivery and Innovation Fund" basically a pot of money for Calamity James to run his next election campaign

b) £20 million "Economic Infrastructure Fund" This one is another £1.5 million a year to pay back debts for a slush fund on a scale never before seen in the country! You can see now the vultures circling York knowing full well a fool and his money are easily parted. Welcome to Yorkshire already snaffled up £50,000 for an ad campaign, I even heard a rumour at the last meeting he promised Leeds Bradford a whopping £1 million sweetener
c) More money for unions. Over and above the hundreds of thousands already given to them
d) more money for themsleves. Increasing the number of cabinet members (the highest paid Councillors) by 1 at the same time as reducing the number of assistant directors, directors, senior management.
e) £100,000 a year to regulated buses that has done nothing in two years

I could go on. But please be in doubt. This is a career politician paid by his masters down South to inflict cuts in the most painful and widespread fashion possible to help the national party's general election campaign.

All of the cuts so far opposed by the public, Beckfield Lane, Green Bin collection, Litter bins, Burnholme school had costed alternatives. They were the choice of this ideological administration and they should never be allowed to forget that.

They claim to be the party of the poor but in reality they're a bunch of self important career politician millionaires who are more than welcome to inflict misery on the weakest of our society for their own political benefit.
Lol..You can say lots of things about JA, but I don't think he is a millionaire! You are a one, Torycouncil!
No but te champagne socialists for whom he serves most definitely are. Please Mr Miliband who I can screw next in York to curry your favour. I'm a good little boy please let me have Hugh's seat

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topumpire1 says...
9:36am Wed 25 Jul 12

It is typical that the Tory "fans" will blame the so called champagne socialists, as they are unable to blame the trotski-ite socialists of yesteryear. Whoever is to blame in York, be it locally or nationally, we can talk all year. Locally it could be blamed on the last Lib DUM led council, who over-spent, leaving this council to pick up the slack. I look at "torycouncil2015"s points. The most obvious one being "e" this council has had to keep this on from the last Lib DUM administration, I can go on...
Nationally, This CONservative led government, with its Lib DUM
lap dogs is forcing councils into these cuts or they will have to use capitol savings.

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willo the wisp says...
9:57am Wed 25 Jul 12

Woody G Mellor wrote:
What a load of fuss about nothing. How the hell did you used to manage before you had the green bins? You people really need to get a grip. God forbid anything serious happens.
Woody G, you clearly are living on a different planet to most of us.....

Before the green bins arrived we used to put small amounts it in the grey bins and larger stuff we'd take to the tip ourselves.

Alas due to cost cutting we have lost Beckfield Lane tip so we have no tip on the west side of York at all and have to drive considerable distance to get to a tip and then sit for ages in the massive queues to get in.

As such the green bins are a great benefit, especially if you live on the west side of York. The issue here is that the idiots on our Council are now considering charging us for something we already receive.

Lets hope Darren Richardson is able to read, unlike the rest of them, and can see from this thread that this additional TAX would not be received well. Saying that at least they'll be able to pin the blame on him for it when it blows up in their faces.

Ha Ha......

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yorkshirelad says...
10:08am Wed 25 Jul 12

Mr Crabtree...I do cut the grass...I bung it the compost bin!

If you've got a huge garden...then you might need two compost bins, or just a heap...incredibly nature sorts out the rest!

No need for fly-tipping, putting in the rubbish bins...ar the mass hysteria.

Perhaps we're all getting a bit spoilt!

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m dee says...
10:48am Wed 25 Jul 12

yorkshirelad wrote:
Mr Crabtree...I do cut the grass...I bung it the compost bin!

If you've got a huge garden...then you might need two compost bins, or just a heap...incredibly nature sorts out the rest!

No need for fly-tipping, putting in the rubbish bins...ar the mass hysteria.

Perhaps we're all getting a bit spoilt!
Its not just about having a compost bin ,its withdrawing a highly used service that was introduced at cost to all taxpayers and encouraged to use to reduce the cost of landfill taxes,the council are cutting local services to the core while spending on less needed things,compost bins do not work if you have a big well maintained garden surrounded by conifer trees inherited from previous occupant that need cutting back twice a year.

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meme says...
10:52am Wed 25 Jul 12

The council is a shamble
I moved to a new house and needed a bin and recycling boxes
I chased and chased and eventually got a grey wheelie bin but no recycling boxes. After 6 months of constant chasing I received 2 sets of recycling boxes. I tried to return one but it was impossible so I now have more boxes than I know what to do with!
I dont have a green bin but would NOT pay if I did. That's why I pay council tax or have this left wing and politically motivated Council forgotten that|?

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topumpire1 says...
11:06am Wed 25 Jul 12

I assume that the council is only talking about the green, garden waste bins and will continue collecting the small tubs of paper/Tin & plastic/ glass that they collect on the same weeks as the green bins? For councils to start charging to have these emptied, will only see much more waste sent to land-fill. I know even charging for the green wheelie bin emptying, will just see the same fate for much green waste!

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yorkshirelad says...
11:08am Wed 25 Jul 12

Well...here's another view. Where I leave it all works fine...Black bin every two weeks...fine, recycling every two weeks fine. Green bins used but prob could be reduced/phased out with easy reasonable home composting.

The bin lorries comes roughly same time every week; the crew work efficiently. The Christmas arrangements work well and, hey, I'm happy for the refuse teams to have a break like the rest of us.

So, all in all...no problems worth getting steamed up about. Occasional problems or **** ups do not mean that the council is a shambles or that the world is going to end...get a bit of perspective!

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cyclistkate says...
12:30pm Wed 25 Jul 12

Someone mentioned Scandinavia - where they have recognised that the carrot is much more effective than the stick! You pay a recycling charge when you buy bottles and cans, which gets repaid when you recycle them. Charging for green waste will be a 'waste' of time - either people will fly-tip or will just add it to their normal rubbish collection. Either way CoYC lose out - recycling targets get missed and they get penalised or there are additional costs for cleaning up the mess. I have a local community composting scheme where I can put green food waste as well as the small amount of garden waste from my back yard. Perhaps CoYC should be encouraging/supporti
ng more of these!

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Even AndyD says...
12:48pm Wed 25 Jul 12

Woody G Mellor wrote:
What a load of fuss about nothing. How the hell did you used to manage before you had the green bins? You people really need to get a grip. God forbid anything serious happens.
Yay! I always liked y's, Woody! :-)

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ploughboy says...
1:49pm Wed 25 Jul 12

yes mickrick

it is a bit OTT and harsh on us farmers

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mickrick says...
3:07pm Wed 25 Jul 12

ploughboy wrote:
yes mickrick

it is a bit OTT and harsh on us farmers
Your career choice mate

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mickrick says...
3:12pm Wed 25 Jul 12

Silver wrote:
mickrick wrote:
I dont give a monkeys, i gave up on green bin when the Operative person who collects them with an IQ of a slug refused to take mine because there was a cabbage stalk from my garden in it.
He said it was kitchen waste and stuck a sticker on my bin saying so.
I took the bin and its contents to the council yard and told them to shove it where the sun dont shine . I do not have a green bin, i am green binless bliss I refuse to give in to petty jobsworths and if the hedge bottoms fill up with rubbish and farmers gates become inaccessable then so be it.
Umm isn't that mildly psychotic? Surely you could just ring up the council and explain that whilst cabbage stalks are used in the kitchen they are veg and do compost and if you're a keen gardener you have the right to put green waste in a green bin and could they please pick it up? I agree that from your description it sounded like a jobsworth reply to you but your response is a bit OTT
Tried that and found myself talking to another slug qualifying for his pension, so just gave up and delivered the bin back to them.
Psychotic ? probably but thats what your driven to trying to get any sense out of a yard full of slugs.

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ploughboy says...
3:20pm Wed 25 Jul 12

well mickrick I suggest you learn to grow a bit of wheat with your cabbages because if all the farm gates are blocked you may not get any bread mate

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Mr Crabtree says...
3:33pm Wed 25 Jul 12

mickrick wrote:
ploughboy wrote: yes mickrick it is a bit OTT and harsh on us farmers
Your career choice mate
Yeah, could have been worse, you could have been a housebuilder !!!!

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ploughboy says...
3:37pm Wed 25 Jul 12

Mr Crabtree that is sadly very true and that would have been worse, fortunately farming is a way of life as oposed to a career. Fly tipping on farms currently though is a very big issue.

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mickrick says...
4:59pm Wed 25 Jul 12

Not combining at the moment then at 3.37 pm in fact not farming at all if you can find time to blog at that time.

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ploughboy says...
5:06pm Wed 25 Jul 12

oh so know your my agronomist and farm manager as well mickrick, is there no bounds to your skills.

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Yorkie-Clifton says...
5:07pm Wed 25 Jul 12

Woody G Mellor wrote:
What a load of fuss about nothing. How the hell did you used to manage before you had the green bins? You people really need to get a grip. God forbid anything serious happens.
You foolish man -- I managed very well . I either burnt my rubbish or put it in black bin . It was a treat when they introduced the green bin . But no problem to most people at all . They will revert to what they did before . Now go and let the Carer in . What the hell did you do before Carers ??

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mickrick says...
5:49pm Wed 25 Jul 12

ploughboy wrote:
oh so know your my agronomist and farm manager as well mickrick, is there no bounds to your skills.
Farm spelling Eh

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York1900 says...
6:03pm Wed 25 Jul 12

MONEY MONEY MONEY how can we get more out of the people that is all any of the parties think of

people pay there Council Tax but what can we charge them for on top

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wildthing666 says...
6:09pm Wed 25 Jul 12

Charge for it and see residents put it in their grey bin.
We could also demand a fully itemised council tax bill, if they don't list it as a chargeable optional extra then it is included in the bill

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Silver says...
6:11pm Wed 25 Jul 12

Maldini wrote:
Here's an exapmle of how this department are saving money. A friend of mine is a bin man, his lorry reversed into a car (he wasnt driving). The result is the 3 man team are suspended (on full pay) while the council investigate the matter. Apparently this is council policy, I accept the driver should be suspended but why suspend the 2 blokes who were working with him. To date my friend has not worked for 5 weeks multiply this by 2 and I reckon the council have paid in excess of £3k in wages to two blokes sat in their garden enjoying the sun.
Well done Maldini they do read the comments and made your comment into a bit of news. They should pay you for that bit of it.

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scooterboy says...
7:22pm Wed 25 Jul 12

you will be getting my green bin back right up your ****, we pay over the odds for very little in return give ya head a shake, were strugling to we cant just make money like you sodds do

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Deety says...
8:08pm Wed 25 Jul 12

How can the council make it work?. If they make a charge some will pay and others will return the binns, but that means that a collection waggon and crew will still have to come round to collect fewer binns thus defeating the object of saving money.

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Silver says...
9:29pm Wed 25 Jul 12

Deety wrote:
How can the council make it work?. If they make a charge some will pay and others will return the binns, but that means that a collection waggon and crew will still have to come round to collect fewer binns thus defeating the object of saving money.
Council have to pay money for landfill, although then again why they don't use space and use excess green waste to compost and give or sell to people to actually turn something into productive or just use it as biofuel and sell the energy to try to offset the whole cost of the set up....

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mickrick says...
10:07pm Wed 25 Jul 12

scooterboy wrote:
you will be getting my green bin back right up your ****, we pay over the odds for very little in return give ya head a shake, were strugling to we cant just make money like you sodds do
Right on, I did exactly that. Told them to shove it.

They charge for green bins and the hedgerows and farmers gates will be piled high with .......GREEN BINS...

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Magicman! says...
2:05am Thu 26 Jul 12

It's just barmy.... Firstly, because our country is in the EU it is forced into buying into the whole 'climate change' bs, which adds extra taxes and sanctions for how much waste a country makes - which results in less normal bin collections in favour of recycling instead... of which householders have to wash and manually sort out the different types of recycling (the washing of dirty cans uses hot water and so burns gas... irony!) because the council can't get some machine to do it automatically that runs on biomass or something like that.... not content with that, they then reduce how often a vehicle can enter a tip to get rid of rubbish... and now they plan to charge for garden waste to be collected. Does the council LIKE clearing up after flytippers?? because anybody looking in from outside would be under the impression they love it.

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dodgydavereturns says...
7:37am Thu 26 Jul 12

Has anyone actually thought about how this will work ? How the hell are they going to know WHO to charge ? I put my bins with a group of about 6... So if the bins ( note the single 'n') are all grouped together then they will not know who's they are?
If the bin is directly in front of your house, then is it forced to be yours?

They might take them off those who don't pay ? - that will prove as difficult as you wish to make it for then.

They might have a bin registration scheme? - a huge cost that they will not afford.

This is most likely another way to put our council tax up by us 'voting' in a charge for everyone to use the scam.... I mean scheme! Typical ycc

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WayneCarr says...
9:05am Thu 26 Jul 12

Whis1962 wrote:
jenkil2001 says...
10:20am Tue 24 Jul 12

I shall put mine in the grey bin, we already pay for this service and I for one won't be paying more. I am a pensioner, and unlike the gardens of students houses near me I have a lovely garden, which means I have lots of green waste.

Here, hear.
I will be dumping mine in Alexanders front garden.
He hasn't got a garden.......or a green bin!!

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mickrick says...
9:23am Thu 26 Jul 12

mickrick wrote:
ploughboy wrote:
oh so know your my agronomist and farm manager as well mickrick, is there no bounds to your skills.
Farm spelling Eh
Absolutely, and i know all about the heavy subsidies and farm payments made. And explain set aside to us ? being paid NOT to grow anything !

Farmers bleat and bellow all the time sometimes softly sometimes loudly but we all know they are all running around in Range Rovers or Discoveries and we all know that take away the Farm Payments and a lot of them would go bust.

Wouldnt that be something ? being paid NOT to build anything .

Put your head above the parapet farm boy and you will get shot at.

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WayneCarr says...
9:47am Thu 26 Jul 12

dodgydavereturns wrote:
Has anyone actually thought about how this will work ? How the hell are they going to know WHO to charge ? I put my bins with a group of about 6... So if the bins ( note the single 'n') are all grouped together then they will not know who's they are?
If the bin is directly in front of your house, then is it forced to be yours?

They might take them off those who don't pay ? - that will prove as difficult as you wish to make it for then.

They might have a bin registration scheme? - a huge cost that they will not afford.

This is most likely another way to put our council tax up by us 'voting' in a charge for everyone to use the scam.... I mean scheme! Typical ycc
Just a thought but I would think you may have to ring up or book online for a special collection, a bit like for bulky items etc. They would then invoice you from there or you would pay online?

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long distance depressive says...
10:04am Thu 26 Jul 12

Can't win..make a good case for recycling and composting then close down the very sites where this should happen...you couldn't make it up! Maybe there is a gap in the market for some business types to buy a truck, collect green cuttings and compost..then sell the compost back to the council for their gardens dept.

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m dee says...
11:24am Thu 26 Jul 12

long distance depressive wrote:
Can't win..make a good case for recycling and composting then close down the very sites where this should happen...you couldn't make it up! Maybe there is a gap in the market for some business types to buy a truck, collect green cuttings and compost..then sell the compost back to the council for their gardens dept.
How will they recoup the extra charges for landfill tax as reading the comments its clear many residents will simply use the black bin for garden waste.

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Mr Crabtree says...
12:24pm Thu 26 Jul 12

This all goes to prove, what this council excels at.......... unworkable ideas, that will result in chaos and failure !

They have proved it with their affordable housing policy, which has killed off housebuilding in the city for the last seven years, and made a serious housing shortage even worse !

They should rename the Labour cabinet, 'the department of looney ideas' and their mantra should be, 'if it works, we will break it!'

The lunatics really are running the asylum !!!

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keepitshut says...
4:56pm Thu 26 Jul 12

A few years ago part of my council tax went towards my grey bin getting emptied 52 times a year. My council tax then went up and my grey bin started to get emptied 26 times a year. However, i was told that i could have some tubs and some bags etc and that i could try my hand at recyling. I then got my tubs and bags emptied the other 26 times a year. Can i assume that my paper, cans and glass etc are being "sold" on and the proceeds are going back into the "pot?"
I then got a green bin to put my garden waste into, by all accounts landfill tax was expensive and a large contribution of the weight was made up of garden waste.
So CYC, i still pay council tax, have lost 26 refuse collections a year, gained 26 recycling collections but you profit from that, now you want to charge for a green bin collection?
Every resident in this city does his/her bit every week on refuse day for you, we put our bins out one week and sort and wash our recyclables the next.
Technically we put money into your pocket every other week, dont penalise us, reward us!

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Even AndyD says...
5:29pm Thu 26 Jul 12

keepitshut wrote:
A few years ago part of my council tax went towards my grey bin getting emptied 52 times a year. My council tax then went up and my grey bin started to get emptied 26 times a year. However, i was told that i could have some tubs and some bags etc and that i could try my hand at recyling. I then got my tubs and bags emptied the other 26 times a year. Can i assume that my paper, cans and glass etc are being "sold" on and the proceeds are going back into the "pot?"
I then got a green bin to put my garden waste into, by all accounts landfill tax was expensive and a large contribution of the weight was made up of garden waste.
So CYC, i still pay council tax, have lost 26 refuse collections a year, gained 26 recycling collections but you profit from that, now you want to charge for a green bin collection?
Every resident in this city does his/her bit every week on refuse day for you, we put our bins out one week and sort and wash our recyclables the next.
Technically we put money into your pocket every other week, dont penalise us, reward us!
Someone will doubtless say if I'm wrong, but only about £40 of your Council tax goes on bin waste. The vast majority goes on education, highways and social welfare costs. In addition, council tax is about 25% of funding for Councils - the rest is from central government and central governments distribution of business rates.
So - whilst bins seem to bring out the red-mist in many, in terms of 'what you pay your taxes for' - its a drop in the ocean. I appreciate if you don't use the highways, don't have kids, or need social services, you might feel a little irked. But, that is democracy for you. I don't know how much money is 'made' from recycling, but I seem to recall its either bug all, or in-fact a loss.
Mr C disclaimer - this is in no way a political comment, I'm just reporting facts. I'm not a Council stooge or employee and my knowledge above comes from having my interest awakened by keepitshut's comment and doing some google research. If I'm wrong - blame various local govt sites I found and wiki. Thanks.

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newcyclist says...
5:35pm Thu 26 Jul 12

DEKKA wrote:
I was wondering when cyclists would be blamed for the non-collection of green rubbish.
New cyclist and now to be new recyclist.
However, there are 6 outcomes from charging for green bins,
A minority will pay.
A further minority will compost more.
Some will concrete or pave over their gardens to save money and work.
Some will take their rubbish to the tips - more pollution in the transport.
Some will burn the rubbish - more pollution again.
Some will just tip it anywhere.
Result: Poorer environment, disgruntled people, fewer green gardens.
We'll be cycling to the green spaces and not staying on our concrete jungles.

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Even AndyD says...
5:36pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Oh forgot - another thing your council tax pays for is local emergency services. Which I didn't know - always assumed that was centrally funded - live and learn.

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Even AndyD says...
5:39pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Paving your garden is bad for birds and hedgehogs and other cute things. But especially birds which feed on things that live in your soil, lawn, hedge etc. Don't do it. Compost. But check for hedgehogs before you burn anything...obviously
. :)

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Even AndyD says...
5:40pm Thu 26 Jul 12

My warning re hedgehogs was apolitical. Personally, I don't care who the hedgehog votes for, you shouldn't be setting light to him....or her. Or transexual.

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Sillybillies says...
6:07pm Thu 26 Jul 12

I will not pay, and will get the council to take my green bin back, I'm not storing it.

I will burn combustible rubbish and woody garden waste, and put everything uncompostable and no burnable into the grey bin.

I do have three large compost bins for most garden and food waste so will still be doing my bit. Anyway, we need more CO2 to prevent the next ice age.

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keepitshut says...
6:29pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
keepitshut wrote:
A few years ago part of my council tax went towards my grey bin getting emptied 52 times a year. My council tax then went up and my grey bin started to get emptied 26 times a year. However, i was told that i could have some tubs and some bags etc and that i could try my hand at recyling. I then got my tubs and bags emptied the other 26 times a year. Can i assume that my paper, cans and glass etc are being "sold" on and the proceeds are going back into the "pot?"
I then got a green bin to put my garden waste into, by all accounts landfill tax was expensive and a large contribution of the weight was made up of garden waste.
So CYC, i still pay council tax, have lost 26 refuse collections a year, gained 26 recycling collections but you profit from that, now you want to charge for a green bin collection?
Every resident in this city does his/her bit every week on refuse day for you, we put our bins out one week and sort and wash our recyclables the next.
Technically we put money into your pocket every other week, dont penalise us, reward us!
Someone will doubtless say if I'm wrong, but only about £40 of your Council tax goes on bin waste. The vast majority goes on education, highways and social welfare costs. In addition, council tax is about 25% of funding for Councils - the rest is from central government and central governments distribution of business rates.
So - whilst bins seem to bring out the red-mist in many, in terms of 'what you pay your taxes for' - its a drop in the ocean. I appreciate if you don't use the highways, don't have kids, or need social services, you might feel a little irked. But, that is democracy for you. I don't know how much money is 'made' from recycling, but I seem to recall its either bug all, or in-fact a loss.
Mr C disclaimer - this is in no way a political comment, I'm just reporting facts. I'm not a Council stooge or employee and my knowledge above comes from having my interest awakened by keepitshut's comment and doing some google research. If I'm wrong - blame various local govt sites I found and wiki. Thanks.
I would say you were right about the £40 going on bin waste, not sure about the recycling, taking into account that aluminium cans are roughly priced at £450 a ton and paper i believe is at £117 a ton.
I only have a very small garden so my green bin gets used by the neighbours so it doesnt really affect me as such.
I just cannot get my head around the council thinking about a charge when they introduced the green bins with a view to save on landfill and to use the green waste to produce compost.
There are mountains of compost at Harewood Whin, sell the bloody stuff to garden centres etc if they cannot shift it free of charge to use residents.

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Mr Crabtree says...
10:19pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
keepitshut wrote:
A few years ago part of my council tax went towards my grey bin getting emptied 52 times a year. My council tax then went up and my grey bin started to get emptied 26 times a year. However, i was told that i could have some tubs and some bags etc and that i could try my hand at recyling. I then got my tubs and bags emptied the other 26 times a year. Can i assume that my paper, cans and glass etc are being "sold" on and the proceeds are going back into the "pot?"
I then got a green bin to put my garden waste into, by all accounts landfill tax was expensive and a large contribution of the weight was made up of garden waste.
So CYC, i still pay council tax, have lost 26 refuse collections a year, gained 26 recycling collections but you profit from that, now you want to charge for a green bin collection?
Every resident in this city does his/her bit every week on refuse day for you, we put our bins out one week and sort and wash our recyclables the next.
Technically we put money into your pocket every other week, dont penalise us, reward us!
Someone will doubtless say if I'm wrong, but only about £40 of your Council tax goes on bin waste. The vast majority goes on education, highways and social welfare costs. In addition, council tax is about 25% of funding for Councils - the rest is from central government and central governments distribution of business rates.
So - whilst bins seem to bring out the red-mist in many, in terms of 'what you pay your taxes for' - its a drop in the ocean. I appreciate if you don't use the highways, don't have kids, or need social services, you might feel a little irked. But, that is democracy for you. I don't know how much money is 'made' from recycling, but I seem to recall its either bug all, or in-fact a loss.
Mr C disclaimer - this is in no way a political comment, I'm just reporting facts. I'm not a Council stooge or employee and my knowledge above comes from having my interest awakened by keepitshut's comment and doing some google research. If I'm wrong - blame various local govt sites I found and wiki. Thanks.
But, this still doesn't justify the proposal to charge for this service. What will they be charging us for next ?

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Mr Crabtree says...
10:21pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
Oh forgot - another thing your council tax pays for is local emergency services. Which I didn't know - always assumed that was centrally funded - live and learn.
But, 75% council funding comes from central government, so........

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Even AndyD says...
9:11am Fri 27 Jul 12

Mr Crabtree wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
Oh forgot - another thing your council tax pays for is local emergency services. Which I didn't know - always assumed that was centrally funded - live and learn.
But, 75% council funding comes from central government, so........
I know - I put that. See above.

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Sillybillies says...
12:34pm Sat 28 Jul 12

Even AndyD wrote:
Oh forgot - another thing your council tax pays for is local emergency services. Which I didn't know - always assumed that was centrally funded - live and learn.

So you don't actually pay council tax, you'd have known that if you did.

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Even AndyD says...
3:48pm Sat 28 Jul 12

Sillybillies wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
Oh forgot - another thing your council tax pays for is local emergency services. Which I didn't know - always assumed that was centrally funded - live and learn.

So you don't actually pay council tax, you'd have known that if you did.
Eh? - I just don't commit to memory every facet about where each penny goes! Similarly, I've been paying road tax all these years under the apparently incorrect illusion that is all goes towards road/highways upkeep!

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