Residents angry over rubbish left in streets by students (From York Press)

For what it's worth, the examples of this I've seen on my street have all been done by either the landlord or workmen after the students have already left

the council are more than happy to rake in the council tax from all these rented properties so they should get their fingers out and get the rubbish shifted.

roskoboskovic wrote:
the council are more than happy to rake in the council tax from all these rented properties so they should get their fingers out and get the rubbish shifted.

students dont pay council tax! and as far as i know neither does the landlord!

and i very much doubt the people on benefits will either!

and when theirs about 10 poles living in a2 bedroom property, well less said the better, otherwise i'll be accused of been racist!

Something about tar and brushes...

Lot of community pride going on and no one picking up what they are moaning about, not saying its yours or that you are responsible, but if you want your area to look nice take an initiative and get it sorted.

roskoboskovic wrote:
the council are more than happy to rake in the council tax from all these rented properties so they should get their fingers out and get the rubbish shifted.

Well they did get their finger out.
It was shifted within 24 hrs.

The point is it shouldn't have happened in the first place, I saw it and it was a chuffing disgrace.

More generally, never mind blaming immigrants and Polish people, it was obviously students.

Buzz Light-year wrote:

roskoboskovic wrote: the council are more than happy to rake in the council tax from all these rented properties so they should get their fingers out and get the rubbish shifted.

Well they did get their finger out. It was shifted within 24 hrs. The point is it shouldn't have happened in the first place, I saw it and it was a chuffing disgrace. More generally, never mind blaming immigrants and Polish people, it was obviously students.

Buzz light year ! I do blame polis people as well as students! I had a certain complaint dealt with recently by the council about a certain address managed by I.G. letters, the people in the property were just chucking all sorts out in the back lane any time any day, all just in shopping bags ! The occupants at the address were all polish , 7 of them, all in a 2 bedroom terraced house .

oi oi savaloy wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:

roskoboskovic wrote: the council are more than happy to rake in the council tax from all these rented properties so they should get their fingers out and get the rubbish shifted.

Well they did get their finger out. It was shifted within 24 hrs. The point is it shouldn't have happened in the first place, I saw it and it was a chuffing disgrace. More generally, never mind blaming immigrants and Polish people, it was obviously students.

Buzz light year ! I do blame polis people as well as students! I had a certain complaint dealt with recently by the council about a certain address managed by I.G. letters, the people in the property were just chucking all sorts out in the back lane any time any day, all just in shopping bags ! The occupants at the address were all polish , 7 of them, all in a 2 bedroom terraced house .

•polish•

What doesn't help, certainly around the St John's Street area, is that the council have 'communal' bins. With all the students moving out, the bins become rapidly full and rubbish gets dumped around the bins.
What a nice impression of York tourists must get, seeing dumped rubbish!

oi oi savaloy wrote:
the problem is the amount of people as well who live in these 'buy to let ' properties as well! these houses pictured are 2 bedroomed properties, the unscrupulous landlords then change the front parlour into a bedroom and rent them out as bedsits, they then fill them with either students or polish immigrants or even unemployed d.h.s.s. claimants, these people then really dont care about the area's that they live in and just chuck rubbish out willy nilly into the streets, totally turning the once lovely streets of York into slum area's! just take a wander around the terraced streets near bootham crescent, the "2 bedroom" properties are rammed with between 4 and 8 students/polish immigrants , i rode down newborough street on my bike one day and saw a rat the size of a small dog scuttling around in bin bags! am not been a snob here but i do think Hugh Bayley is partly responsible for this , as the city as changed dramatically over the last 20 years, the quality of some people and families who seem to be coming through are of a lower class who just seem to rely on benefits!

What a splendidly spurious dig at that nice Mr Bayley.

Why are the universities not building student accomodation? It amazes me that they don't because the income stream would be huge.

oi oi savaloy wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:

roskoboskovic wrote: the council are more than happy to rake in the council tax from all these rented properties so they should get their fingers out and get the rubbish shifted.

Well they did get their finger out. It was shifted within 24 hrs. The point is it shouldn't have happened in the first place, I saw it and it was a chuffing disgrace. More generally, never mind blaming immigrants and Polish people, it was obviously students.

Buzz light year ! I do blame polis people as well as students! I had a certain complaint dealt with recently by the council about a certain address managed by I.G. letters, the people in the property were just chucking all sorts out in the back lane any time any day, all just in shopping bags ! The occupants at the address were all polish , 7 of them, all in a 2 bedroom terraced house .

Ahem.

I'm talking about this article which is clearly about students.

These photo's don't show the worse of it - some of the lanes were in a much worse state. And it is unfair to just blame the students as tohugh they may be culprits, landlords were also seen to be throwing anything and everything out. The problem was worsened by people (some with supermarket trolleys!) rifling through the piles. Whilst I'm all for recycling, there was no care taken to ensure that what was being left behind was in a presentable state.
Well done to the Council for their swift action - much of this was removed by hand (not a job I would like to do) and certainly not in light of the fact that it is a service not funded by students or landlords (Council Tax is not paid by either groups!!)

Buzz Light-year wrote:

oi oi savaloy wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:

roskoboskovic wrote: the council are more than happy to rake in the council tax from all these rented properties so they should get their fingers out and get the rubbish shifted.

Well they did get their finger out. It was shifted within 24 hrs. The point is it shouldn't have happened in the first place, I saw it and it was a chuffing disgrace. More generally, never mind blaming immigrants and Polish people, it was obviously students.

Buzz light year ! I do blame polis people as well as students! I had a certain complaint dealt with recently by the council about a certain address managed by I.G. letters, the people in the property were just chucking all sorts out in the back lane any time any day, all just in shopping bags ! The occupants at the address were all polish , 7 of them, all in a 2 bedroom terraced house .

Ahem. I'm talking about this article which is clearly about students.

I'm talking about rubbish left in York streets in general, just cos this story is related to one street and one type of resident doesn't mean to say the other culprits should get away without a mention...

1, If York had no student houses , or demand for accommodation for students , house prices would be far lower .

2, The council know how many homes are HMO's and student housing - they also know when students leave , so it should not be hard to co ordinate the removal of rubbish

3 , Offer landlords an extra rubbish collection near leaving day ( at landlords expense )

4 , Wish The Press would stop promoting this "anti student" attitude ! York should be proud of it's University .

NoTimeToSpare wrote:
These photo's don't show the worse of it - some of the lanes were in a much worse state. And it is unfair to just blame the students as tohugh they may be culprits, landlords were also seen to be throwing anything and everything out. The problem was worsened by people (some with supermarket trolleys!) rifling through the piles. Whilst I'm all for recycling, there was no care taken to ensure that what was being left behind was in a presentable state. Well done to the Council for their swift action - much of this was removed by hand (not a job I would like to do) and certainly not in light of the fact that it is a service not funded by students or landlords (Council Tax is not paid by either groups!!)

Well said - but it is about time they did.

They expect to receive all the benefits council tax payers do & more (this being an example)without paying a thing into it- totally unfair.

Of their property were to set alight who would they call, if they had a break in who would they call, if there was a flood or they need street lights or rubbish clearing who do they call and yet pay nothing towards it.

That's like me wanting & expecting private healthcare when I don't pay in to a private health scheme!

Jiffy wrote:

NoTimeToSpare wrote: These photo's don't show the worse of it - some of the lanes were in a much worse state. And it is unfair to just blame the students as tohugh they may be culprits, landlords were also seen to be throwing anything and everything out. The problem was worsened by people (some with supermarket trolleys!) rifling through the piles. Whilst I'm all for recycling, there was no care taken to ensure that what was being left behind was in a presentable state. Well done to the Council for their swift action - much of this was removed by hand (not a job I would like to do) and certainly not in light of the fact that it is a service not funded by students or landlords (Council Tax is not paid by either groups!!)

Well said - but it is about time they did. They expect to receive all the benefits council tax payers do & more (this being an example)without paying a thing into it- totally unfair. Of their property were to set alight who would they call, if they had a break in who would they call, if there was a flood or they need street lights or rubbish clearing who do they call and yet pay nothing towards it. That's like me wanting & expecting private healthcare when I don't pay in to a private health scheme!

And I mean landlords or students - don't care which as long as something is paid for the household the uses the services!

If landlords are letting these out then it is a business and shoulbe paying NNDR or Business Rates to cover the costs of missing not paying Council Tax

Jiffy - I completely agree. I'm not sure of the logic behind the exemption from Council Tax - the services provided by the council and paid for this way are still used whether directly by the students or through the landlord. Council Tax in York is fairly high and how much of this is to subsidise the significant number of households in the city that expect the services provided but make no contribution towards them.

Stupidyorkpeople wrote:
1, If York had no student houses , or demand for accommodation for students , house prices would be far lower .

2, The council know how many homes are HMO's and student housing - they also know when students leave , so it should not be hard to co ordinate the removal of rubbish

3 , Offer landlords an extra rubbish collection near leaving day ( at landlords expense )

4 , Wish The Press would stop promoting this "anti student" attitude ! York should be proud of it's University .

K response to your points
1. York has universities so there will always be student houses. It's part of a students life to spend the first year on campus and then get a house with friends. Unless you got rid of the universities this will always happens. Also people would have bought those houses anyway and let them out as is their right.
2. You expect the council to be that controlling but I bet you'd not want them to do so, so they promote responsible removal of leftover student clutter.
3. Can we afford as tax payers for an extra day of litter removal, surely they have to remove the litter from everywhere in the city within a fortnightly period?
4. Actually fully agree with you but it's plural Universities

I lived next door to a load of students. They must have dumped about 20 bags of trash out into a shared alley when they left.
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I rang up the Letters and they arranged to clear it without fuss. I presume they deduct the costs from their deposits.

I can't understand people wanting to live in areas like this

couple of houses down our street one full of students one full of polish people just throw rubbish willy nilly all over the place.we tried complaining nothing was done.sick of seeing polish beer cans on window ledges.but hey ho what do we expect after the previous labour government.

I was on Eldon Street this morning and I saw a landlord loading 2 houses rubbish onto a trailer, he swept up and left everything tidy.
I also know that he only owns one of them.

Simple solution. The Council should ask for a guarantee deposit, such as tenants pay landlords. They get the landlord deposit back if the property is left in good order and get the council guarantee deposit back if there are no costs arising for refuse clearance. Or is that too simple?

Jiffy wrote:

Jiffy wrote:

NoTimeToSpare wrote: These photo's don't show the worse of it - some of the lanes were in a much worse state. And it is unfair to just blame the students as tohugh they may be culprits, landlords were also seen to be throwing anything and everything out. The problem was worsened by people (some with supermarket trolleys!) rifling through the piles. Whilst I'm all for recycling, there was no care taken to ensure that what was being left behind was in a presentable state. Well done to the Council for their swift action - much of this was removed by hand (not a job I would like to do) and certainly not in light of the fact that it is a service not funded by students or landlords (Council Tax is not paid by either groups!!)

Well said - but it is about time they did. They expect to receive all the benefits council tax payers do & more (this being an example)without paying a thing into it- totally unfair. Of their property were to set alight who would they call, if they had a break in who would they call, if there was a flood or they need street lights or rubbish clearing who do they call and yet pay nothing towards it. That's like me wanting & expecting private healthcare when I don't pay in to a private health scheme!

And I mean landlords or students - don't care which as long as something is paid for the household the uses the services!

You just show your ignorance about council tax, the council gets reimbursed by the govt for exempt properties (admittedly this is from tax payers, some of whom who may or not be landlords or students).

mmarshal wrote:
Simple solution. The Council should ask for a guarantee deposit, such as tenants pay landlords. They get the landlord deposit back if the property is left in good order and get the council guarantee deposit back if there are no costs arising for refuse clearance. Or is that too simple?

Not only too simple but too expensive to police. The council would have to set up a whole new dept just to administrate it.
Lot cheaper to pay a bit of overtime to some of the lads at the bins............they dont mind.

and lets pray we are out of the EUSSR mess soon ,, well at least we ,aint french, or belge,or one o them other diddycoy made up countries

piaggio1 wrote:
and lets pray we are out of the EUSSR mess soon ,, well at least we ,aint french, or belge,or one o them other diddycoy made up countries

Fantastic response

Been thinking about this one!
This is labours mess! They created today's York!
1,000,000 engineering jobs disappeared under labour , a massive number of them in York!
They then doubled the amount of work shy students in this fair city, all non tax payers! They then invited in 3,000,000 polish immigrants all on low pay, paying very little in tax and then claiming back 3 or 4 times that amount in benefits!

And then you wonder why there is mass unemployment mass housing shortages and why you now have to work till possibly 68??

ouseswimmer wrote:
Why are the universities not building student accomodation? It amazes me that they don't because the income stream would be huge.

Quick bucks! Many Universities now offer/give places to 1st years without any consideration to accommodation so the students in many cases are pretty much left to their own devices or seduced into thinking they have a room in halls then end up living 2 to a single room!! 1st years shouyld have a room allocated by the Universities, 2nd year onwards then its stay in halls if available (subject to 1st years demands) or find other accommodation. Most landlords offer the very basic (at best) as a general rule for the most rent possible, hardly condusive to students making huge efforts to maintain the property.

thats york council for you if they can get away with doing there job they will i bet all the councilers rubbish gets taken away on time and every week sorry i shouldnt have said that one is suppose to know that somepeople get there bins emptied VERY WEEK oh dear my big mouth but the bin men are told to keep there mouths shut or else AND THATS A FACT.

a lot of student accommodation is actually quite nice these days ! ensuite rooms , double beds , flat screen tv's - not luxury but travelodge style rooms

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Been thinking about this one!
This is labours mess! They created today's York!
1,000,000 engineering jobs disappeared under labour , a massive number of them in York!
They then doubled the amount of work shy students in this fair city, all non tax payers! They then invited in 3,000,000 polish immigrants all on low pay, paying very little in tax and then claiming back 3 or 4 times that amount in benefits!

And then you wonder why there is mass unemployment mass housing shortages and why you now have to work till possibly 68??

Erm...I thought it was the Thatcher government who closed our shipyards, car manufacturing plants, coal mines, steel works, etc and left us at the mercy of the banking industry? York reflects this as those who remember roads full of cycling carriage workers and print workers going to and fro their shifts.
As for immigration, Polish people are part of the EU, it is an open border. That said, Labour were too lax with border controls and similarly with FSA policy implementation.
Look - I think our current mess is down to successive governments of both right and left, it is just irritating to have to listen to the nonsense peddled by the 'its all their fault' brigade.

Even AndyD wrote:

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Been thinking about this one!
This is labours mess! They created today's York!
1,000,000 engineering jobs disappeared under labour , a massive number of them in York!
They then doubled the amount of work shy students in this fair city, all non tax payers! They then invited in 3,000,000 polish immigrants all on low pay, paying very little in tax and then claiming back 3 or 4 times that amount in benefits!

And then you wonder why there is mass unemployment mass housing shortages and why you now have to work till possibly 68??

Erm...I thought it was the Thatcher government who closed our shipyards, car manufacturing plants, coal mines, steel works, etc and left us at the mercy of the banking industry? York reflects this as those who remember roads full of cycling carriage workers and print workers going to and fro their shifts.
As for immigration, Polish people are part of the EU, it is an open border. That said, Labour were too lax with border controls and similarly with FSA policy implementation.
Look - I think our current mess is down to successive governments of both right and left, it is just irritating to have to listen to the nonsense peddled by the 'its all their fault' brigade.

Erm ... I worked at the carriage works thatcher never shut that down, it did go under the Tories watch and I did get made redundant Xmas 94! I then got made redundant 6 years later under a labour government! AND I also have a number of letters from bayley as to why the labour government and that lord Adonis flogged train making off to the germans! And it maybe is an open border but you won't go to Poland and jump the queue and get a council house and benefits like they do when they come here

So you agree - the Carriage Works went under a Tory government. The Thatcher remark was about the mines, ship building and our manufacturing industries, which she oversaw the decline of favouring the switch to financial services reliance.
In fairness, I also blame our plight partly on Labour too - my truck, Mr Oi Oi was with your one eyed view that it was all 'them blasted lefties wot dunnit'! :-)

A University of York spokesperson said: “The university has limited jurisdiction over students living off campus. Responsibility for ensuring rubbish is disposed of appropriately lies with landlords and their tenants. We encourage our students who live in the community to behave responsibly and to be good neighbours at all times.”

Great response from York University
Once again York Council has allowed the ruining of "Communities" ........ Tell me what Communities are left around the ever expanding University ?

NickPheas wrote:

oi oi savaloy wrote: the problem is the amount of people as well who live in these 'buy to let ' properties as well! these houses pictured are 2 bedroomed properties, the unscrupulous landlords then change the front parlour into a bedroom and rent them out as bedsits, they then fill them with either students or polish immigrants or even unemployed d.h.s.s. claimants, these people then really dont care about the area's that they live in and just chuck rubbish out willy nilly into the streets, totally turning the once lovely streets of York into slum area's! just take a wander around the terraced streets near bootham crescent, the "2 bedroom" properties are rammed with between 4 and 8 students/polish immigrants , i rode down newborough street on my bike one day and saw a rat the size of a small dog scuttling around in bin bags! am not been a snob here but i do think Hugh Bayley is partly responsible for this , as the city as changed dramatically over the last 20 years, the quality of some people and families who seem to be coming through are of a lower class who just seem to rely on benefits!

What a splendidly spurious dig at that nice Mr Bayley.

hmm... my original post as been removed! but its quoted on here! can someone explain to me what was wrong with it? nothing racist about it just the truth as i see it!!

Even AndyD wrote:
So you agree - the Carriage Works went under a Tory government. The Thatcher remark was about the mines, ship building and our manufacturing industries, which she oversaw the decline of favouring the switch to financial services reliance. In fairness, I also blame our plight partly on Labour too - my truck, Mr Oi Oi was with your one eyed view that it was all 'them blasted lefties wot dunnit'! :-)

i do agree! but you dont know me so you cant really say i have a one eyed view about them lefties wot dunnit!

what i will say is that i voted labour for 26 years and i will never ever vote for them again!

you know the who song "wont get fooled again" "meet the new boss! same as the old boss! but 10 times more incompetent" (ok so i added that last bit) ;)

edd balls............. say no more

No, and that is a fair point, I don't know you - apologies. I just think our political system now breeds government who can't see past the next 5yrs and care only about re-election. As such, none of them do what actually needs doing. Realism has been replaced by spin and the populist policy. Take the NHS - neither major party actually implement policy to improve the public health, because to do so might involve tacking certain taboos. Ditto education - adult illiteracy is the same now as it was 40 years ago. But we just get the same tinkering and tick-box policies.
Show me a politician with the courage to actually change things and I'll readily show him or her my vote- irrespective of rosette colour.

Even AndyD wrote:
No, and that is a fair point, I don't know you - apologies. I just think our political system now breeds government who can't see past the next 5yrs and care only about re-election. As such, none of them do what actually needs doing. Realism has been replaced by spin and the populist policy. Take the NHS - neither major party actually implement policy to improve the public health, because to do so might involve tacking certain taboos. Ditto education - adult illiteracy is the same now as it was 40 years ago. But we just get the same tinkering and tick-box policies.
Show me a politician with the courage to actually change things and I'll readily show him or her my vote- irrespective of rosette colour.

your right in what you say there is no politicians with the courage to change things.but I think what mr savaloy is trying to say is that a lot of people me included where over the moon when labour came into power but after 13 years.felt utterly let down by the state they left this country in

How you could possibly link politics and specific governments with rubbish and litter left behind on streets is beyond me!

Education is important to the economy in these days and times. Those complaining about students not paying council tax would do well to remember that with a better education and a degree, students will be more likely to earn more money. Therefore paying more tax than they would if they were forced to work in a carriage works/mine/ steelworks for £6.08 an hour. As previously noted councils are reimbursed for the loss of council tax from having students by the central government.

While these reasons do not excuse the mess left by students at the end of the year, little have much choice in the matter. With rubbish collections being only fortnightly, how many students are forced to move out on the week without rubbish collections? What are they supposed to do with the rubbish? Most do not own cars so can not transport it to a tip themselves. Landlords that charge £20 to move a desk across a room would charge an absolute fortune if they had to deal with rubbish and left over appliances. In avoidance of this excessive charge they would happily risk a £30 littering fee if they got caught out as it would be substanially cheaper!

There are no simple solutions that are viable simply because nobody wants to pay for it. However i will also mention that one single wheelie bin is not enough capacity to deal with a HMO. I used to live in a HMO which was converted in to flats, everyone in each flat paid council tax and yet we recieved one single wheelie bin for 10 people for 2 weeks and people wonder why bins overflow or get left in the alleyways?

Bigger/More bins would help sort this problem but not completely. There are still the issues of old appliences to deal with. I think more publicity of services like the furniture recyling store would help with that issue.

Yorkphotographer wrote:
How you could possibly link politics and specific governments with rubbish and litter left behind on streets is beyond me! Education is important to the economy in these days and times. Those complaining about students not paying council tax would do well to remember that with a better education and a degree, students will be more likely to earn more money. Therefore paying more tax than they would if they were forced to work in a carriage works/mine/ steelworks for £6.08 an hour. As previously noted councils are reimbursed for the loss of council tax from having students by the central government. While these reasons do not excuse the mess left by students at the end of the year, little have much choice in the matter. With rubbish collections being only fortnightly, how many students are forced to move out on the week without rubbish collections? What are they supposed to do with the rubbish? Most do not own cars so can not transport it to a tip themselves. Landlords that charge £20 to move a desk across a room would charge an absolute fortune if they had to deal with rubbish and left over appliances. In avoidance of this excessive charge they would happily risk a £30 littering fee if they got caught out as it would be substanially cheaper! There are no simple solutions that are viable simply because nobody wants to pay for it. However i will also mention that one single wheelie bin is not enough capacity to deal with a HMO. I used to live in a HMO which was converted in to flats, everyone in each flat paid council tax and yet we recieved one single wheelie bin for 10 people for 2 weeks and people wonder why bins overflow or get left in the alleyways? Bigger/More bins would help sort this problem but not completely. There are still the issues of old appliences to deal with. I think more publicity of services like the furniture recyling store would help with that issue.

£6.08 an hour in a carriage works or down a mine or steelworks?? This my friend is in another time dimension! People at the sheds earnt that kind of money 20 years ago with an added production bonus on top! Coachbuilders now earn in the region of £15 an hour at bombardier and probably would have done at the sheds if they were still open! My nephew as just left uni and is now behind a counter at costa for minimum wage!

Yorkphotographer wrote:
How you could possibly link politics and specific governments with rubbish and litter left behind on streets is beyond me! Education is important to the economy in these days and times. Those complaining about students not paying council tax would do well to remember that with a better education and a degree, students will be more likely to earn more money. Therefore paying more tax than they would if they were forced to work in a carriage works/mine/ steelworks for £6.08 an hour. As previously noted councils are reimbursed for the loss of council tax from having students by the central government. While these reasons do not excuse the mess left by students at the end of the year, little have much choice in the matter. With rubbish collections being only fortnightly, how many students are forced to move out on the week without rubbish collections? What are they supposed to do with the rubbish? Most do not own cars so can not transport it to a tip themselves. Landlords that charge £20 to move a desk across a room would charge an absolute fortune if they had to deal with rubbish and left over appliances. In avoidance of this excessive charge they would happily risk a £30 littering fee if they got caught out as it would be substanially cheaper! There are no simple solutions that are viable simply because nobody wants to pay for it. However i will also mention that one single wheelie bin is not enough capacity to deal with a HMO. I used to live in a HMO which was converted in to flats, everyone in each flat paid council tax and yet we recieved one single wheelie bin for 10 people for 2 weeks and people wonder why bins overflow or get left in the alleyways? Bigger/More bins would help sort this problem but not completely. There are still the issues of old appliences to deal with. I think more publicity of services like the furniture recyling store would help with that issue.

Oh and The cars aspect! We have 3 students living next door to us they all have cars! One of them is a brand spanking mini cooper! And my nephew had a focus all the time he was at uni! I think your wage information is rubbish along with your car info!

Yorkphotographer wrote:
How you could possibly link politics and specific governments with rubbish and litter left behind on streets is beyond me! Education is important to the economy in these days and times. Those complaining about students not paying council tax would do well to remember that with a better education and a degree, students will be more likely to earn more money. Therefore paying more tax than they would if they were forced to work in a carriage works/mine/ steelworks for £6.08 an hour. As previously noted councils are reimbursed for the loss of council tax from having students by the central government. While these reasons do not excuse the mess left by students at the end of the year, little have much choice in the matter. With rubbish collections being only fortnightly, how many students are forced to move out on the week without rubbish collections? What are they supposed to do with the rubbish? Most do not own cars so can not transport it to a tip themselves. Landlords that charge £20 to move a desk across a room would charge an absolute fortune if they had to deal with rubbish and left over appliances. In avoidance of this excessive charge they would happily risk a £30 littering fee if they got caught out as it would be substanially cheaper! There are no simple solutions that are viable simply because nobody wants to pay for it. However i will also mention that one single wheelie bin is not enough capacity to deal with a HMO. I used to live in a HMO which was converted in to flats, everyone in each flat paid council tax and yet we recieved one single wheelie bin for 10 people for 2 weeks and people wonder why bins overflow or get left in the alleyways? Bigger/More bins would help sort this problem but not completely. There are still the issues of old appliences to deal with. I think more publicity of services like the furniture recyling store would help with that issue.

£6.08 an hour at the carriage works.what utter rubbish it's at least £15 in that industry.you need to check your facts before spouting garbage like that!!!

desmond tiblets wrote:

Yorkphotographer wrote: How you could possibly link politics and specific governments with rubbish and litter left behind on streets is beyond me! Education is important to the economy in these days and times. Those complaining about students not paying council tax would do well to remember that with a better education and a degree, students will be more likely to earn more money. Therefore paying more tax than they would if they were forced to work in a carriage works/mine/ steelworks for £6.08 an hour. As previously noted councils are reimbursed for the loss of council tax from having students by the central government. While these reasons do not excuse the mess left by students at the end of the year, little have much choice in the matter. With rubbish collections being only fortnightly, how many students are forced to move out on the week without rubbish collections? What are they supposed to do with the rubbish? Most do not own cars so can not transport it to a tip themselves. Landlords that charge £20 to move a desk across a room would charge an absolute fortune if they had to deal with rubbish and left over appliances. In avoidance of this excessive charge they would happily risk a £30 littering fee if they got caught out as it would be substanially cheaper! There are no simple solutions that are viable simply because nobody wants to pay for it. However i will also mention that one single wheelie bin is not enough capacity to deal with a HMO. I used to live in a HMO which was converted in to flats, everyone in each flat paid council tax and yet we recieved one single wheelie bin for 10 people for 2 weeks and people wonder why bins overflow or get left in the alleyways? Bigger/More bins would help sort this problem but not completely. There are still the issues of old appliences to deal with. I think more publicity of services like the furniture recyling store would help with that issue.

£6.08 an hour at the carriage works.what utter rubbish it's at least £15 in that industry.you need to check your facts before spouting garbage like that!!!

And who was ever "forced" to work at the sheds?

oi oi savaloy wrote:

desmond tiblets wrote:

Yorkphotographer wrote: How you could possibly link politics and specific governments with rubbish and litter left behind on streets is beyond me! Education is important to the economy in these days and times. Those complaining about students not paying council tax would do well to remember that with a better education and a degree, students will be more likely to earn more money. Therefore paying more tax than they would if they were forced to work in a carriage works/mine/ steelworks for £6.08 an hour. As previously noted councils are reimbursed for the loss of council tax from having students by the central government. While these reasons do not excuse the mess left by students at the end of the year, little have much choice in the matter. With rubbish collections being only fortnightly, how many students are forced to move out on the week without rubbish collections? What are they supposed to do with the rubbish? Most do not own cars so can not transport it to a tip themselves. Landlords that charge £20 to move a desk across a room would charge an absolute fortune if they had to deal with rubbish and left over appliances. In avoidance of this excessive charge they would happily risk a £30 littering fee if they got caught out as it would be substanially cheaper! There are no simple solutions that are viable simply because nobody wants to pay for it. However i will also mention that one single wheelie bin is not enough capacity to deal with a HMO. I used to live in a HMO which was converted in to flats, everyone in each flat paid council tax and yet we recieved one single wheelie bin for 10 people for 2 weeks and people wonder why bins overflow or get left in the alleyways? Bigger/More bins would help sort this problem but not completely. There are still the issues of old appliences to deal with. I think more publicity of services like the furniture recyling store would help with that issue.

£6.08 an hour at the carriage works.what utter rubbish it's at least £15 in that industry.you need to check your facts before spouting garbage like that!!!

And who was ever "forced" to work at the sheds?

I was never forced to work there.it was an engineering apprenticeship.the type that our mp for York has destroyed.

oi oi savaloy wrote:

Yorkphotographer wrote:
How you could possibly link politics and specific governments with rubbish and litter left behind on streets is beyond me! Education is important to the economy in these days and times. Those complaining about students not paying council tax would do well to remember that with a better education and a degree, students will be more likely to earn more money. Therefore paying more tax than they would if they were forced to work in a carriage works/mine/ steelworks for £6.08 an hour. As previously noted councils are reimbursed for the loss of council tax from having students by the central government. While these reasons do not excuse the mess left by students at the end of the year, little have much choice in the matter. With rubbish collections being only fortnightly, how many students are forced to move out on the week without rubbish collections? What are they supposed to do with the rubbish? Most do not own cars so can not transport it to a tip themselves. Landlords that charge £20 to move a desk across a room would charge an absolute fortune if they had to deal with rubbish and left over appliances. In avoidance of this excessive charge they would happily risk a £30 littering fee if they got caught out as it would be substanially cheaper! There are no simple solutions that are viable simply because nobody wants to pay for it. However i will also mention that one single wheelie bin is not enough capacity to deal with a HMO. I used to live in a HMO which was converted in to flats, everyone in each flat paid council tax and yet we recieved one single wheelie bin for 10 people for 2 weeks and people wonder why bins overflow or get left in the alleyways? Bigger/More bins would help sort this problem but not completely. There are still the issues of old appliences to deal with. I think more publicity of services like the furniture recyling store would help with that issue.

£6.08 an hour in a carriage works or down a mine or steelworks?? This my friend is in another time dimension! People at the sheds earnt that kind of money 20 years ago with an added production bonus on top! Coachbuilders now earn in the region of £15 an hour at bombardier and probably would have done at the sheds if they were still open! My nephew as just left uni and is now behind a counter at costa for minimum wage!

£15/h and we wonder why jobs are being lost to foreign economies?

Yorkphotographer wrote:

oi oi savaloy wrote:

Yorkphotographer wrote: How you could possibly link politics and specific governments with rubbish and litter left behind on streets is beyond me! Education is important to the economy in these days and times. Those complaining about students not paying council tax would do well to remember that with a better education and a degree, students will be more likely to earn more money. Therefore paying more tax than they would if they were forced to work in a carriage works/mine/ steelworks for £6.08 an hour. As previously noted councils are reimbursed for the loss of council tax from having students by the central government. While these reasons do not excuse the mess left by students at the end of the year, little have much choice in the matter. With rubbish collections being only fortnightly, how many students are forced to move out on the week without rubbish collections? What are they supposed to do with the rubbish? Most do not own cars so can not transport it to a tip themselves. Landlords that charge £20 to move a desk across a room would charge an absolute fortune if they had to deal with rubbish and left over appliances. In avoidance of this excessive charge they would happily risk a £30 littering fee if they got caught out as it would be substanially cheaper! There are no simple solutions that are viable simply because nobody wants to pay for it. However i will also mention that one single wheelie bin is not enough capacity to deal with a HMO. I used to live in a HMO which was converted in to flats, everyone in each flat paid council tax and yet we recieved one single wheelie bin for 10 people for 2 weeks and people wonder why bins overflow or get left in the alleyways? Bigger/More bins would help sort this problem but not completely. There are still the issues of old appliences to deal with. I think more publicity of services like the furniture recyling store would help with that issue.

£6.08 an hour in a carriage works or down a mine or steelworks?? This my friend is in another time dimension! People at the sheds earnt that kind of money 20 years ago with an added production bonus on top! Coachbuilders now earn in the region of £15 an hour at bombardier and probably would have done at the sheds if they were still open! My nephew as just left uni and is now behind a counter at costa for minimum wage!

£15/h and we wonder why jobs are being lost to foreign economies?

hmm... You really are clueless! German Coachbuilders seimans pay their employees more per hour and their workers only work less hours! £15 per hour for a skilled engineer who did a 4 year apprenticeship is quite low and should be paid more , you seem to forget this country pays executive wages of over 120,000 a year to some council workers who produce nothing and just take take take!
This just proves to me you know nothing about anything, all over Europe skilled employees get good if not better wages than the uk's skilled workers!