Wembley double-header could be huge money-spinner (From York Press)

Just a suggestion...if they do get back into the league perhaps they could buy their own stadium and the whole MC/LaSalle business would not be swayed by the stadium issue.

"THEY" you are clearly not a York city fan.
misserble old s~d.

YCFC are good for the city.
live with the fact,

You tend not to get much stadium for £1m.
No stadium issue (as you call it), no permission for Oakgate, which in turn means LaSalle go back to sitting on their land for another few years. Without MX2, chances are York Chamber of Trade would revert to their original stance and object to Coppergate II anyway.

Sawday2 wrote:
Just a suggestion...if they do get back into the league perhaps they could buy their own stadium and the whole MC/LaSalle business would not be swayed by the stadium issue.

You very boring person. You must have been hitting refresh all day to get the first stupid comment in.

Do some research. Buy their own stadium? Do you know how much they cost?

How about they sell BC, put the money in, and get one as part of a deal that will bring hundreds of jobs to the city? How about you point fingers to the "we get a few hundred fans" Rugby club, who should be drooling over this.

Oh, and sorry Barnitts, I know you're sad about your beloved Leeds United having a crap season, but Monks Cross has nothing to do with you or your future business. You're failing because you've got crap goods and terrible customer service.

The only issue is 6,000 is not enough for a club the size of York. We'll take over double that to Wembley. We had more than that in for the last game.

Sort that out first and then just get it done. This is for York people, not Sawday who clearly moved here for the gift shops from some hell hole major city and spends his Saturday afternoon in some Korean made Chelsea shirt watching Sky Sports. "I don't care about York City, I just moved here. Come on Drogba!"

And LaSalle - still a dormant company with a director who's a "name" on 150 companies. Yeah, no one's bothering to report that, are they.

WE'RE YORK AND WE'RE PROUD OF IT!

A blast from the past. Same 'level playing field language' but something of a u-turn on the target. This is a cut and paste from 10yrs ago.

17th May 2002 - Coppergate will put York's specialist shops out of business..
Adam Sinclair, Chairman of York Chamber of Trade, claimed that established retailers elsewhere in York would not be able to compete on a level playing field with the £60 million Coppergate development. He said that there was a "frightening and intimidating" threat to the viability of other parts of the city centre, he also pointed out that demand for retail space in the city was already so poor that units at Stonegate Walk had not been let after a year on the market.

I don't understand people bringing Barnitts into the conversations, because all it is doing is giving them free advertising.

Yorkie41 wrote:
I don't understand people bringing Barnitts into the conversations, because all it is doing is giving them free advertising.

That's what they've been doing with their silly protest. They need to be taken to account for it.

In fairness, if city traders want to protect what they see as their vested interests, I've got to say that is their right.
But at the same time, they've got to accept that some people won't agree and take that on the chin too.

Doing research on the last Coppergate saga I had forgotten just how serious it all got. People arrested, accusations made of corruption etc. Why does York have to have this sort of pantomime every time we try and move the city forward? Its like living in a soap opera.

TerryYork wrote:

Sawday2 wrote:
Just a suggestion...if they do get back into the league perhaps they could buy their own stadium and the whole MC/LaSalle business would not be swayed by the stadium issue.

You very boring person. You must have been hitting refresh all day to get the first stupid comment in.

Do some research. Buy their own stadium? Do you know how much they cost?

How about they sell BC, put the money in, and get one as part of a deal that will bring hundreds of jobs to the city? How about you point fingers to the "we get a few hundred fans" Rugby club, who should be drooling over this.

Oh, and sorry Barnitts, I know you're sad about your beloved Leeds United having a crap season, but Monks Cross has nothing to do with you or your future business. You're failing because you've got crap goods and terrible customer service.

The only issue is 6,000 is not enough for a club the size of York. We'll take over double that to Wembley. We had more than that in for the last game.

Sort that out first and then just get it done. This is for York people, not Sawday who clearly moved here for the gift shops from some hell hole major city and spends his Saturday afternoon in some Korean made Chelsea shirt watching Sky Sports. "I don't care about York City, I just moved here. Come on Drogba!"

And LaSalle - still a dormant company with a director who's a "name" on 150 companies. Yeah, no one's bothering to report that, are they.

WE'RE YORK AND WE'RE PROUD OF IT!

Couldn't have put it better myself

Now that Darlington are going to groundshare at Shildon, they are debating now what to do with the Darlington Arena. Do they retain it somehow or pull it down.
If it is going to be pulled down, could some of it be dismantled in such away that you could build a smaller ground out of it in York as a cheaper option? Or at least buy the seats and other bits to keep the costs down?

I just have to make one comment - surely it's the so called grown men kicking a ball around who are the boring ones. They really should get a life and then then there would be no need for the stadium at all. I fail to see why anyone not connected with the game should have to pay towards their pastime and that other developments that we need are linked to the why's and wherefore's of a white elephant stadium.

Oh, and in connection with a comment earlier, I didn't move here - I was born here! Finally, I neither own a football shirt nor have any interest in watching Sky though why that came into an earlier 'reply' I've no idea. Talk about people getting on their high horse!

Well well well, I Thought Dinosaur's where extinct, obviously there is still one in York.
I was brought up in York and lived there for 80 years, never heard anyone speak such a load of rubbish.
York has got to move with the times, that has been it's problem for many years Because it hasn't.been allowed to because of such people.

Sawday2 wrote:
I just have to make one comment - surely it's the so called grown men kicking a ball around who are the boring ones. They really should get a life and then then there would be no need for the stadium at all. I fail to see why anyone not connected with the game should have to pay towards their pastime and that other developments that we need are linked to the why's and wherefore's of a white elephant stadium.

Oh, and in connection with a comment earlier, I didn't move here - I was born here! Finally, I neither own a football shirt nor have any interest in watching Sky though why that came into an earlier 'reply' I've no idea. Talk about people getting on their high horse!

Everything can be summerised as 'Just kicking a ball' 'just watching people dance around 'just watch people talk' etc.... Everything enjoys different things and that's life.

I find other stuff boring and dull but stick 'York' in front of it and there's not a part of me that would want it to not succeed if it was representing my city. Lots of local things were here well before us and will be well after. We should all honour and respect that while swelling with pride when our city's name is up in lights every little chance we get.

The Mc wrote:
Now that Darlington are going to groundshare at Shildon, they are debating now what to do with the Darlington Arena. Do they retain it somehow or pull it down.
If it is going to be pulled down, could some of it be dismantled in such away that you could build a smaller ground out of it in York as a cheaper option? Or at least buy the seats and other bits to keep the costs down?

Interesting for sure!

yorkonafork wrote:

Sawday2 wrote:
I just have to make one comment - surely it's the so called grown men kicking a ball around who are the boring ones. They really should get a life and then then there would be no need for the stadium at all. I fail to see why anyone not connected with the game should have to pay towards their pastime and that other developments that we need are linked to the why's and wherefore's of a white elephant stadium.

Oh, and in connection with a comment earlier, I didn't move here - I was born here! Finally, I neither own a football shirt nor have any interest in watching Sky though why that came into an earlier 'reply' I've no idea. Talk about people getting on their high horse!

Everything can be summerised as 'Just kicking a ball' 'just watching people dance around 'just watch people talk' etc.... Everything enjoys different things and that's life.

I find other stuff boring and dull but stick 'York' in front of it and there's not a part of me that would want it to not succeed if it was representing my city. Lots of local things were here well before us and will be well after. We should all honour and respect that while swelling with pride when our city's name is up in lights every little chance we get.

Absolutely. What a sad state of affairs when someone has to come on here and spout a load of negativity about something millions of people love.
The world, Sawday, is not run just for YOU and the things you like. Diversity is what makes the world go round and what a dull old planet it would be without it.

TerryYork wrote:

The Mc wrote:
Now that Darlington are going to groundshare at Shildon, they are debating now what to do with the Darlington Arena. Do they retain it somehow or pull it down.
If it is going to be pulled down, could some of it be dismantled in such away that you could build a smaller ground out of it in York as a cheaper option? Or at least buy the seats and other bits to keep the costs down?

Interesting for sure!

Its difficult to tell, isn't it? Its often far from 'cheaper' to start moving stands up and down the country and making them fit elsewhere. But it has been done.
Darlington arena was one man's folly and sheer madness, had he build it a third the size, DFC might still be a healthy league 2 side.

This "I should only pay for things I actually like and use" attitude is bizarre.

Apply that to everything, and I want back my taxation that pays for education (long time since I was at school), hospitals (pretty healthy most of the time), the police and prisons (hardly ever been the victim or perpetrator of a crime), the armed forces, the monarchy, motorways, any railways that aren't the East Coast line or the Trans-Pennine route.

Oh, and anything the city council spends on promoting the city centre for the benefit of the business "community".

Absolute claptrap isn't it?

York is a vibrant and diverse city, but we're in danger of losing a crucial element of that if the anti-football brigade have their way.

If the figures Mrs Hicks quotes are correct, I guess promotion to the Football League might mean City could limp on for a year or two more at Bootham Crescent, but that doesnt solve the underlying problem of a crumbling stadium with no potential for signigicant revenue generation on non match days.

The new stadium will give both City and the Knights the opportunity to stand on their own feet and not rely on subsidies or loans from elsewhere, the exact opposite of what the anti-stadium brigade are trying to con everybody into thinking.

Zetkin wrote:
This "I should only pay for things I actually like and use" attitude is bizarre.

Apply that to everything, and I want back my taxation that pays for education (long time since I was at school), hospitals (pretty healthy most of the time), the police and prisons (hardly ever been the victim or perpetrator of a crime), the armed forces, the monarchy, motorways, any railways that aren't the East Coast line or the Trans-Pennine route.

Oh, and anything the city council spends on promoting the city centre for the benefit of the business "community".

Absolute claptrap isn't it?

York is a vibrant and diverse city, but we're in danger of losing a crucial element of that if the anti-football brigade have their way.

If the figures Mrs Hicks quotes are correct, I guess promotion to the Football League might mean City could limp on for a year or two more at Bootham Crescent, but that doesnt solve the underlying problem of a crumbling stadium with no potential for signigicant revenue generation on non match days.

The new stadium will give both City and the Knights the opportunity to stand on their own feet and not rely on subsidies or loans from elsewhere, the exact opposite of what the anti-stadium brigade are trying to con everybody into thinking.

Spot on Zetkin. Numpties like boreday, or whatever he's called, just can't see past their own shallowness. We have exactly the same problem here in Bristol. Bristol City are faced with several hundred NIMBY's who can't bear to see several acres of crappy, never has been never will be used, land which to me has even more of a case for development than MX. Come on York Council, get the deal done, get the stadium built (for everyone's benefit) and upwards and onwards

Just a thought - if they win both finals, we surely can't be too far off being able to buy BC back for the club? They owe the stadium improvement fun something like 2 million... £750,000 for promotion, £50,000 for FAT win, £300,000 for Wembley gate receipts, say maybe £50,000 for the PO Semi final gate receipts... sell a few players and they wouldn't be far off that mark.

YCFC could buy back BC, but what would be the point in that? As part of the long term survival strategy of the club, BC has been identified as one of the major blockages which is inhibiting the financial growth of the club. At the moment it is not viable incentive to get bums on seats.

Simple fact is, BC needs a LOT of work. It's old, it needs updating, and it needs expanding. There is no room around the ground to modernise the facilities. A new stadium is necessary, and will probably be a cheaper alternative in the long run.

I don't live in York any more, but as a thought if there is supposed to be a problem with the transport infrastructure,doesn
't the Scarborough line pass quit close to the proposed site of a new stadium, a Holt could be built quite cheaply, and could help a lot of people in other ways.

Chrido81 wrote:
YCFC could buy back BC, but what would be the point in that? As part of the long term survival strategy of the club, BC has been identified as one of the major blockages which is inhibiting the financial growth of the club. At the moment it is not viable incentive to get bums on seats.

Simple fact is, BC needs a LOT of work. It's old, it needs updating, and it needs expanding. There is no room around the ground to modernise the facilities. A new stadium is necessary, and will probably be a cheaper alternative in the long run.

I see your point, but you could probably argue that staying at BC is much less of a 'gamble' - there seems to be so much opposition to the new stadium that the project could stall far too easily for my liking. Just speculation of course, and I'm fairly biased towards staying because I love BC, but I feel like its an option that should be very carefully explored as an alternative to a new stadium before dismissing it.

The prooblem with spending the Wembley money (and promotion money too IF we get there) is that we'll then be a League club trying to get by on a Conference budget and still owing a huge amount to JMP.

IF we could survive a few seasons in the League like that we might just be able to stumble through.

I'd guess though that the chances are we'd be relegated again fairly quickly, and find ourselves in an even worse position than now.

Getting the new stadium would at least mean the extra money can go towards paying off JMP and investing in team building - if Mills is here for the long haul, he won't be content with consolidating our position in League 2, he'll want to push on for League 1.

new ground, capacity of at least 12,000 and no share with knights (as rugby is dead here in york) onward and upwards ycfc