John Lewis rejects York centre as site for new store

A RETAIL giant which is hoping to open a store on the edge of York has dampened hopes that it could look at a city-centre site instead.

The John Lewis shop would be part of a £90 million shopping complex at Monks Cross if plans for the scheme and a community stadium for York City FC and York City Knights are approved by City of York Council.

The owners of York’s Coppergate Centre, who are planning a £200 million redevelopment of the neighbouring Castle Piccadilly site, have suggested a John Lewis store would be better suited to their scheme and said they would welcome talks with the company. They have been backed by city-centre businesses who fear Oakgate (Monks Cross ) Ltd’s scheme will damage their trade.

But in a letter to the council’s planning department, John Lewis’ property director Jeremy Collins said Castle Piccadilly would not be suitable for their needs as it would take too long to come to fruition. The authority is set to decide whether to enter into a development agreement with LaSalle UK Ventures Property, the Coppergate Centre’s owners, at a meeting of its cabinet tonight.

Mr Collins’ letter said the Castle Piccadilly site had a “chequered history”, following the public inquiry which led to the Coppergate II scheme being thrown out in 2003, and added: “It is very clear the site has significant challenges.

“Some eight years after the Land Securities decision [over Coppergate II], a revised application is still to materialise.

“This would not fit with our strategy for the region and the city. We consider Castle Piccadilly is not available for retail development within a realistic time frame.”

The letter said John Lewis had a “long-held ambition” to open a York store, which would create at least 300 jobs, cover 100,000 sq ft and be scheduled to open by October 2013.

LaSalle has said its target for starting work on Castle Piccadilly is three years, and based on a two-year construction period, the development would open in 2017. The company also said it could open earlier, in 2016, if a forthcoming consultation on its plans “goes smoothly” and could provide space for a 140,000 sq ft John Lewis store, while it is also in talks with “major national retailers” and an expanded Fenwick store may be part of the scheme.

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9:07am Tue 3 Apr 12

speaks99 says...

No great shakes there then. Something we've all known for a while. Time to stop talking and to get building.
No great shakes there then. Something we've all known for a while. Time to stop talking and to get building. speaks99

9:29am Tue 3 Apr 12

Even AndyD says...

I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.
I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built. Even AndyD

9:32am Tue 3 Apr 12

ouseswimmer says...

Won't be lon before they demolish Cliffords Tower for the enormous shopping opportunity of the site.
Won't be lon before they demolish Cliffords Tower for the enormous shopping opportunity of the site. ouseswimmer

9:59am Tue 3 Apr 12

Even AndyD says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
Won't be lon before they demolish Cliffords Tower for the enormous shopping opportunity of the site.
Well quite. The one thing the centre is crying out for is more civic space. We have the Museum Gardens and what else?
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: Won't be lon before they demolish Cliffords Tower for the enormous shopping opportunity of the site.[/p][/quote]Well quite. The one thing the centre is crying out for is more civic space. We have the Museum Gardens and what else? Even AndyD

10:13am Tue 3 Apr 12

pedalling paul says...

Even AndyD wrote:
I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.
You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..
[quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.[/p][/quote]You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus.. pedalling paul

10:14am Tue 3 Apr 12

Theendoftheworld says...

Of couse they have because it's CR*P parking in York!
Of couse they have because it's CR*P parking in York! Theendoftheworld

10:30am Tue 3 Apr 12

twigger says...

For goodness sakes just get on with it.
For goodness sakes just get on with it. twigger

10:44am Tue 3 Apr 12

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

John Lewis is never knowingly understated. They say "Castle Piccadilly will take too long to come to fruition". How long has this proposal been around? When will York learn that not doing anything isn't an option?
John Lewis is never knowingly understated. They say "Castle Piccadilly will take too long to come to fruition". How long has this proposal been around? When will York learn that not doing anything isn't an option? Ignatius Lumpopo

11:52am Tue 3 Apr 12

BL2 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.
You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..
No I wouldn't be - it's not enough to make it worthwhile (I've done it)! Shops like this require easy access and parking due to the nature of the goods they sell. They are not suitable for a city centre location with restricted road access and limited expensive parking.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.[/p][/quote]You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..[/p][/quote]No I wouldn't be - it's not enough to make it worthwhile (I've done it)! Shops like this require easy access and parking due to the nature of the goods they sell. They are not suitable for a city centre location with restricted road access and limited expensive parking. BL2

11:55am Tue 3 Apr 12

roskoboskovic says...

by necessity,john lewis need large buildings to house their stores as they have lots of seperate departments and concessions.nothing in york city centre can accommodate them and so the out of town site is the only option.now stop the prevaricating and get on with the thing.andyD is correct,we do want it and we only use the city centre for a leisurely walk around not for our serious shopping.
by necessity,john lewis need large buildings to house their stores as they have lots of seperate departments and concessions.nothing in york city centre can accommodate them and so the out of town site is the only option.now stop the prevaricating and get on with the thing.andyD is correct,we do want it and we only use the city centre for a leisurely walk around not for our serious shopping. roskoboskovic

12:03pm Tue 3 Apr 12

colette says...

I do my shopping in York city centre - I don't go out of town, and I do my shopping by bus (I was in York this morning) - there must be many like me who would probably never go to a John Lewis if it is at Monks Cross, even though I shop at the London branch when I am there, and used to at the Leeds one in the "olden" days.
I do my shopping in York city centre - I don't go out of town, and I do my shopping by bus (I was in York this morning) - there must be many like me who would probably never go to a John Lewis if it is at Monks Cross, even though I shop at the London branch when I am there, and used to at the Leeds one in the "olden" days. colette

12:35pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Septimius Severus says...

What are The Press doing? They are stirring up old facts as news to keep us reading / buying.

This is an old letter. It was written before LaSalle stated that a 2016 build date is feasible.

It obviously predates the current Oakgate stance that it will be unlikley to get this built by 2014 at Monk's Cross.

So, the future of York is being jeopardised because a retailer can't wait 2 years! Pathetic.

Where is the real investigation and insight? Lazy.
What are The Press doing? They are stirring up old facts as news to keep us reading / buying. This is an old letter. It was written before LaSalle stated that a 2016 build date is feasible. It obviously predates the current Oakgate stance that it will be unlikley to get this built by 2014 at Monk's Cross. So, the future of York is being jeopardised because a retailer can't wait 2 years! Pathetic. Where is the real investigation and insight? Lazy. Septimius Severus

1:22pm Tue 3 Apr 12

speaks99 says...

Septimius Severus wrote:
What are The Press doing? They are stirring up old facts as news to keep us reading / buying.

This is an old letter. It was written before LaSalle stated that a 2016 build date is feasible.

It obviously predates the current Oakgate stance that it will be unlikley to get this built by 2014 at Monk's Cross.

So, the future of York is being jeopardised because a retailer can't wait 2 years! Pathetic.

Where is the real investigation and insight? Lazy.
I think this is a different letter to the original as they have mentioned Castle Picadilly by name. I'm sure the original response from JL didn't go into any specifics regarding potential sites. I believe it is in response to La Salles claims that JL could be sited on their development.
[quote][p][bold]Septimius Severus[/bold] wrote: What are The Press doing? They are stirring up old facts as news to keep us reading / buying. This is an old letter. It was written before LaSalle stated that a 2016 build date is feasible. It obviously predates the current Oakgate stance that it will be unlikley to get this built by 2014 at Monk's Cross. So, the future of York is being jeopardised because a retailer can't wait 2 years! Pathetic. Where is the real investigation and insight? Lazy.[/p][/quote]I think this is a different letter to the original as they have mentioned Castle Picadilly by name. I'm sure the original response from JL didn't go into any specifics regarding potential sites. I believe it is in response to La Salles claims that JL could be sited on their development. speaks99

1:46pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Robert Davro says...

John Lewis supports York City FC. End of.
John Lewis supports York City FC. End of. Robert Davro

1:46pm Tue 3 Apr 12

The Great Buda says...

This what we've always known; JL have no desire for a City Centre Store - its too crowded and packed. A big store like them is better off on the edge of town.

Get it built already.
This what we've always known; JL have no desire for a City Centre Store - its too crowded and packed. A big store like them is better off on the edge of town. Get it built already. The Great Buda

1:48pm Tue 3 Apr 12

TerryYork says...

No surprise with this news. Now stop delaying and get the planning permission for Monks Cross sorted COYC!
No surprise with this news. Now stop delaying and get the planning permission for Monks Cross sorted COYC! TerryYork

1:57pm Tue 3 Apr 12

alfie says...

Could do with a bakery at monks cross, a Thomas's or Gregs would do nicely.
Could do with a bakery at monks cross, a Thomas's or Gregs would do nicely. alfie

2:02pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Even AndyD says...

Septimius Severus wrote:
What are The Press doing? They are stirring up old facts as news to keep us reading / buying.

This is an old letter. It was written before LaSalle stated that a 2016 build date is feasible.

It obviously predates the current Oakgate stance that it will be unlikley to get this built by 2014 at Monk's Cross.

So, the future of York is being jeopardised because a retailer can't wait 2 years! Pathetic.

Where is the real investigation and insight? Lazy.
If you are going to moan about this, then to balance things, what about all these weeks when the Press have been Adam Sinclair's personal ad campaign? And how about all those stories about how dad saved Rednapp senior!
Can't have it both ways and the CampaignByFour has had more than enough publicity.
[quote][p][bold]Septimius Severus[/bold] wrote: What are The Press doing? They are stirring up old facts as news to keep us reading / buying. This is an old letter. It was written before LaSalle stated that a 2016 build date is feasible. It obviously predates the current Oakgate stance that it will be unlikley to get this built by 2014 at Monk's Cross. So, the future of York is being jeopardised because a retailer can't wait 2 years! Pathetic. Where is the real investigation and insight? Lazy.[/p][/quote]If you are going to moan about this, then to balance things, what about all these weeks when the Press have been Adam Sinclair's personal ad campaign? And how about all those stories about how dad saved Rednapp senior! Can't have it both ways and the CampaignByFour has had more than enough publicity. Even AndyD

2:15pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Septimius Severus says...

Even AndyD wrote:
Septimius Severus wrote:
What are The Press doing? They are stirring up old facts as news to keep us reading / buying.

This is an old letter. It was written before LaSalle stated that a 2016 build date is feasible.

It obviously predates the current Oakgate stance that it will be unlikley to get this built by 2014 at Monk's Cross.

So, the future of York is being jeopardised because a retailer can't wait 2 years! Pathetic.

Where is the real investigation and insight? Lazy.
If you are going to moan about this, then to balance things, what about all these weeks when the Press have been Adam Sinclair's personal ad campaign? And how about all those stories about how dad saved Rednapp senior!
Can't have it both ways and the CampaignByFour has had more than enough publicity.
The quality of the objections and the sheer quantity completely undermine your 'Campaignbyfour' nonesense.

Have a look at the planning access site. 1975 documents attributed to this application.

Over 900 are objections. Yes there are 700 supports and 300 general, but it's still hardly 4.

Just as your 'it's just 2 shops' claim, rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Septimius Severus[/bold] wrote: What are The Press doing? They are stirring up old facts as news to keep us reading / buying. This is an old letter. It was written before LaSalle stated that a 2016 build date is feasible. It obviously predates the current Oakgate stance that it will be unlikley to get this built by 2014 at Monk's Cross. So, the future of York is being jeopardised because a retailer can't wait 2 years! Pathetic. Where is the real investigation and insight? Lazy.[/p][/quote]If you are going to moan about this, then to balance things, what about all these weeks when the Press have been Adam Sinclair's personal ad campaign? And how about all those stories about how dad saved Rednapp senior! Can't have it both ways and the CampaignByFour has had more than enough publicity.[/p][/quote]The quality of the objections and the sheer quantity completely undermine your 'Campaignbyfour' nonesense. Have a look at the planning access site. 1975 documents attributed to this application. Over 900 are objections. Yes there are 700 supports and 300 general, but it's still hardly 4. Just as your 'it's just 2 shops' claim, rubbish. Septimius Severus

3:04pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Sillybillies says...

there must be many like me who would probably never go to a John Lewis if it is at Monks Cross

Not enough to make much of an economic impact, compared to those who would boycott a city centre store due to expensive and limited car parking.
pedalling paul says...
10:13am Tue 3 Apr 12
You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..

Listen to this idiot and the city centre will be deserted except for tourists.
[quote] there must be many like me who would probably never go to a John Lewis if it is at Monks Cross[/quote] Not enough to make much of an economic impact, compared to those who would boycott a city centre store due to expensive and limited car parking. [quote]pedalling paul says... 10:13am Tue 3 Apr 12 You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..[/quote] Listen to this idiot and the city centre will be deserted except for tourists. Sillybillies

3:05pm Tue 3 Apr 12

arthur scargill says...

Theendoftheworld wrote:
Of couse they have because it's CR*P parking in York!
Too right. But why build a 10,000 seat stadium that will never be more than 5% full???
[quote][p][bold]Theendoftheworld[/bold] wrote: Of couse they have because it's CR*P parking in York![/p][/quote]Too right. But why build a 10,000 seat stadium that will never be more than 5% full??? arthur scargill

3:10pm Tue 3 Apr 12

The Great Buda says...

arthur scargill wrote:
Theendoftheworld wrote:
Of couse they have because it's CR*P parking in York!
Too right. But why build a 10,000 seat stadium that will never be more than 5% full???
Obvious Troll is obvious.
[quote][p][bold]arthur scargill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Theendoftheworld[/bold] wrote: Of couse they have because it's CR*P parking in York![/p][/quote]Too right. But why build a 10,000 seat stadium that will never be more than 5% full???[/p][/quote]Obvious Troll is obvious. The Great Buda

5:43pm Tue 3 Apr 12

arglemcgee says...

BL2 wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.
You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..
No I wouldn't be - it's not enough to make it worthwhile (I've done it)! Shops like this require easy access and parking due to the nature of the goods they sell. They are not suitable for a city centre location with restricted road access and limited expensive parking.
Well, John Lewis actually have plenty of stores in city centres without much parking provision. They will be opening above Birmingham New Street station, for example. It seems that in this case, the issue was timeframe rather than car access.
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.[/p][/quote]You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..[/p][/quote]No I wouldn't be - it's not enough to make it worthwhile (I've done it)! Shops like this require easy access and parking due to the nature of the goods they sell. They are not suitable for a city centre location with restricted road access and limited expensive parking.[/p][/quote]Well, John Lewis actually have plenty of stores in city centres without much parking provision. They will be opening above Birmingham New Street station, for example. It seems that in this case, the issue was timeframe rather than car access. arglemcgee

5:45pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Yorkie41 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.
You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..
I think you will find that that works both ways.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.[/p][/quote]You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..[/p][/quote]I think you will find that that works both ways. Yorkie41

7:53pm Tue 3 Apr 12

speaks99 says...

arglemcgee wrote:
BL2 wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.
You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..
No I wouldn't be - it's not enough to make it worthwhile (I've done it)! Shops like this require easy access and parking due to the nature of the goods they sell. They are not suitable for a city centre location with restricted road access and limited expensive parking.
Well, John Lewis actually have plenty of stores in city centres without much parking provision. They will be opening above Birmingham New Street station, for example. It seems that in this case, the issue was timeframe rather than car access.
Timeframe and chance of hold ups in the case of Castle Picadilly reading between the lines from the above statement.
[quote][p][bold]arglemcgee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: I live in this city, along with circa another 180,000 souls. If I want to browse and enjoy the scenery I go into town. If I need to buy something specific, I go out-of-town. Its quicker, easier to park, easier to load what I've bought and just a less stressful experience. I suspect a lot of my fellow citizens think the same. The Betty's boys will tell you differently, to be honest, they will tell you anything! But JL are stating the obvious reality - time to stop listening to C4Y (four being because there are four of them?) and get this thing built.[/p][/quote]You may be surprised by the amount of shopping that you can carry in a bike panniers / trailer, or on a bus..[/p][/quote]No I wouldn't be - it's not enough to make it worthwhile (I've done it)! Shops like this require easy access and parking due to the nature of the goods they sell. They are not suitable for a city centre location with restricted road access and limited expensive parking.[/p][/quote]Well, John Lewis actually have plenty of stores in city centres without much parking provision. They will be opening above Birmingham New Street station, for example. It seems that in this case, the issue was timeframe rather than car access.[/p][/quote]Timeframe and chance of hold ups in the case of Castle Picadilly reading between the lines from the above statement. speaks99

8:46pm Tue 3 Apr 12

big boy york says...

speaks99 wrote:
No great shakes there then. Something we've all known for a while. Time to stop talking and to get building.
john lewis only said 2 weeks ago all there new build plans had been put on hold till the market improved so maybe monks x will not happen for a while
[quote][p][bold]speaks99[/bold] wrote: No great shakes there then. Something we've all known for a while. Time to stop talking and to get building.[/p][/quote]john lewis only said 2 weeks ago all there new build plans had been put on hold till the market improved so maybe monks x will not happen for a while big boy york

8:59pm Tue 3 Apr 12

speaks99 says...

big boy york wrote:
speaks99 wrote:
No great shakes there then. Something we've all known for a while. Time to stop talking and to get building.
john lewis only said 2 weeks ago all there new build plans had been put on hold till the market improved so maybe monks x will not happen for a while
I'm guessing the letter is fairly recent, so as long as everything goes (fairly) smoothly from now on I don't think there will be a problem.
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speaks99[/bold] wrote: No great shakes there then. Something we've all known for a while. Time to stop talking and to get building.[/p][/quote]john lewis only said 2 weeks ago all there new build plans had been put on hold till the market improved so maybe monks x will not happen for a while[/p][/quote]I'm guessing the letter is fairly recent, so as long as everything goes (fairly) smoothly from now on I don't think there will be a problem. speaks99

10:03pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Dr Brian says...

So the City Centre is not good enough for John Lewis's - I say that York is too good for them - kick out the proposals for Monks Cross and let's see if they come cap in hand wanting to be located in the City Centre!
So the City Centre is not good enough for John Lewis's - I say that York is too good for them - kick out the proposals for Monks Cross and let's see if they come cap in hand wanting to be located in the City Centre! Dr Brian

9:08am Wed 4 Apr 12

speaks99 says...

Dr Brian wrote:
So the City Centre is not good enough for John Lewis's - I say that York is too good for them - kick out the proposals for Monks Cross and let's see if they come cap in hand wanting to be located in the City Centre!
That's right. Make things up why don't you.

John Lewis are not saying the city centre isn't good enough. They are saying that there aren't any development sites which provide the size or the timescales for them.

But lets not let facts get in the way of being a ****.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: So the City Centre is not good enough for John Lewis's - I say that York is too good for them - kick out the proposals for Monks Cross and let's see if they come cap in hand wanting to be located in the City Centre![/p][/quote]That's right. Make things up why don't you. John Lewis are not saying the city centre isn't good enough. They are saying that there aren't any development sites which provide the size or the timescales for them. But lets not let facts get in the way of being a ****. speaks99

9:18am Wed 4 Apr 12

The Great Buda says...

Dr Brian wrote:
So the City Centre is not good enough for John Lewis's - I say that York is too good for them - kick out the proposals for Monks Cross and let's see if they come cap in hand wanting to be located in the City Centre!
Yeah we don't want those extra jobs here! Lets Leeds have them!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: So the City Centre is not good enough for John Lewis's - I say that York is too good for them - kick out the proposals for Monks Cross and let's see if they come cap in hand wanting to be located in the City Centre![/p][/quote]Yeah we don't want those extra jobs here! Lets Leeds have them! The Great Buda

11:59am Wed 4 Apr 12

Eric Bartholomew says...

Septimius Severus wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
Septimius Severus wrote: What are The Press doing? They are stirring up old facts as news to keep us reading / buying. This is an old letter. It was written before LaSalle stated that a 2016 build date is feasible. It obviously predates the current Oakgate stance that it will be unlikley to get this built by 2014 at Monk's Cross. So, the future of York is being jeopardised because a retailer can't wait 2 years! Pathetic. Where is the real investigation and insight? Lazy.
If you are going to moan about this, then to balance things, what about all these weeks when the Press have been Adam Sinclair's personal ad campaign? And how about all those stories about how dad saved Rednapp senior! Can't have it both ways and the CampaignByFour has had more than enough publicity.
The quality of the objections and the sheer quantity completely undermine your 'Campaignbyfour' nonesense. Have a look at the planning access site. 1975 documents attributed to this application. Over 900 are objections. Yes there are 700 supports and 300 general, but it's still hardly 4. Just as your 'it's just 2 shops' claim, rubbish.
Ahhh the good old C4Y,run by Leeds Utd fans isn't is Nick...erm I mean Septimus?

I sure this will all look good if the Community Stadium aspect of this development fails and York ends up without professional Football and Rugby League teams.
[quote][p][bold]Septimius Severus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Septimius Severus[/bold] wrote: What are The Press doing? They are stirring up old facts as news to keep us reading / buying. This is an old letter. It was written before LaSalle stated that a 2016 build date is feasible. It obviously predates the current Oakgate stance that it will be unlikley to get this built by 2014 at Monk's Cross. So, the future of York is being jeopardised because a retailer can't wait 2 years! Pathetic. Where is the real investigation and insight? Lazy.[/p][/quote]If you are going to moan about this, then to balance things, what about all these weeks when the Press have been Adam Sinclair's personal ad campaign? And how about all those stories about how dad saved Rednapp senior! Can't have it both ways and the CampaignByFour has had more than enough publicity.[/p][/quote]The quality of the objections and the sheer quantity completely undermine your 'Campaignbyfour' nonesense. Have a look at the planning access site. 1975 documents attributed to this application. Over 900 are objections. Yes there are 700 supports and 300 general, but it's still hardly 4. Just as your 'it's just 2 shops' claim, rubbish.[/p][/quote]Ahhh the good old C4Y,run by Leeds Utd fans isn't is Nick...erm I mean Septimus? I sure this will all look good if the Community Stadium aspect of this development fails and York ends up without professional Football and Rugby League teams. Eric Bartholomew

12:06am Thu 5 Apr 12

Ebor Acomb says...

John Lewis: "Never knowingly underhand".
John Lewis: "Never knowingly underhand". Ebor Acomb

8:14am Thu 5 Apr 12

Septimius Severus says...

Ebor Acomb wrote:
John Lewis: "Never knowingly underhand".
Nice!
[quote][p][bold]Ebor Acomb[/bold] wrote: John Lewis: "Never knowingly underhand".[/p][/quote]Nice! Septimius Severus

3:52am Fri 6 Apr 12

Magicman! says...

John Lewis has basically done a big middle finger to LaSalle management who owns coppergate, and for that I salute them! If only JL could force LaSalle to stop blackmailing the city
John Lewis has basically done a big middle finger to LaSalle management who owns coppergate, and for that I salute them! If only JL could force LaSalle to stop blackmailing the city Magicman!

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