Smokers treated ‘like outsiders’

York Press: Laura Woodley, who has been smoking since she was 14 Laura Woodley, who has been smoking since she was 14

SMOKERS are being stigmatised and increasingly viewed as “outsiders” who damage public health, according to a report from the University of York.

Professor Hilary Graham, author of Smoking, Stigma And Social Class, says that poorer communities in particular, where smokers are traditionally found in higher numbers, are increasingly subject to public vilification because of the way smoking has been portrayed in health campaigns over the years.

She has now called for a rethink on how smoking is portrayed and for the focus to be on education rather than vilification.

Professor Graham said: “It is generally accepted that tobacco control policies can use stigma if they achieve their objective of protecting people’s health.

“But there is evidence that these policies have also served to intensify public vilification of disadvantaged groups where smoking rates tend to be highest.”

She suggests that the public now relates smokers to characters such as Frank Gallagher, from the popular television series Shameless, who is portrayed as an idle, working class scruff, famous for his trademark cigarette, grubby clothes and lank hair.

“Research suggests that smoking has become shorthand for class-related disadvantage.

“In Australia, the public and the media associate smoking with unemployment, low economic status and low educational achievement; whilst a Canadian study suggested that smokers and non-smokers alike saw smokers as ‘dirty’, ‘inconsiderate’ and ‘weak-willed’.”

Professor Graham said more thought must be given to the consequences of raising the level of stigma attached to smoking.

She said: “Conveying the message that smokers are outsiders who threaten public health will do little to reduce class prejudice and promote social cohesiveness.”

‘People look down on us’

LAURA Woodley, 22, from York, has been smoking since the age of 14, a habit she started after growing up in a pub.

She agreed that smoking came with its health risks, but said vilification was not the way to make people give up.

“You do get filthy looks,” she said.

“Women with prams will look at you, but it’s not like I’m blowing smoke in their kid’s faces.

“There’s talk of them bringing bans in to pub beer gardens now and that’s going too far.

“But the bans are educational in a way.

“The Government has a responsibility to make smoking look bad, but at the same time smoking is a personal choice and I think they have gone as far as they need to go with it. The fact that it’s bad for you is no secret.

“People look down on smokers and I think it’s this thing about them affecting other’s health – however negligible that risk might be.”

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9:37am Wed 29 Feb 12

yorkandproud says...

To be fair, with all the health and social issues involved, smokers are indeed, "outsiders".
To be fair, with all the health and social issues involved, smokers are indeed, "outsiders". yorkandproud

10:08am Wed 29 Feb 12

groble says...

I think they should just hurry up and make it illegal. it's no different from any other drug with damaging health effects, so why's it not already illegal?
I think they should just hurry up and make it illegal. it's no different from any other drug with damaging health effects, so why's it not already illegal? groble

10:13am Wed 29 Feb 12

newscritic says...

groble wrote:
I think they should just hurry up and make it illegal. it's no different from any other drug with damaging health effects, so why's it not already illegal?
Because the Treasury receives £11 billion tax annually (rising every year) from smokers?
[quote][p][bold]groble[/bold] wrote: I think they should just hurry up and make it illegal. it's no different from any other drug with damaging health effects, so why's it not already illegal?[/p][/quote]Because the Treasury receives £11 billion tax annually (rising every year) from smokers? newscritic

10:23am Wed 29 Feb 12

magicadey says...

"viewed as “outsiders” who damage public health"

Well they are..
"viewed as “outsiders” who damage public health" Well they are.. magicadey

10:25am Wed 29 Feb 12

magicadey says...

And Laura - You should be looked down on. You broke the law and smoked at an illegal age and what do you know about the risk.
And Laura - You should be looked down on. You broke the law and smoked at an illegal age and what do you know about the risk. magicadey

10:28am Wed 29 Feb 12

York-10 says...

Smoking is a choice. Some people smoke some people don't. Fast food and drinking is bad for you, should they make that illegal too groble? Its right that people cant smoke in pubs and inside public places but banning it from outdoor public aras as well would be pushing it a bit far. I say this as a smoker and if im outside with people who dont smoke I stand away from them if a family or young children walk past me, i also stand away from them because it is my choice to smoke, and there's not to and i know it can be harmful and i respect that but i won't allow people to think that i am similar to the people described as 'typical smokers'
Smoking is a choice. Some people smoke some people don't. Fast food and drinking is bad for you, should they make that illegal too groble? Its right that people cant smoke in pubs and inside public places but banning it from outdoor public aras as well would be pushing it a bit far. I say this as a smoker and if im outside with people who dont smoke I stand away from them if a family or young children walk past me, i also stand away from them because it is my choice to smoke, and there's not to and i know it can be harmful and i respect that but i won't allow people to think that i am similar to the people described as 'typical smokers' York-10

10:34am Wed 29 Feb 12

newscritic says...

If nobody smoked where would the Treasury find the £11 billion tax they pay each year?
If nobody smoked where would the Treasury find the £11 billion tax they pay each year? newscritic

11:13am Wed 29 Feb 12

bloodaxe says...

Simple answer. Give up smoking.
Simple answer. Give up smoking. bloodaxe

11:14am Wed 29 Feb 12

Amoco Caditz says...

'newscritic says...
10:34am Wed 29 Feb 12

If nobody smoked where would the Treasury find the £11 billion tax they pay each year?'

even more on fuel duty... as usual!
'newscritic says... 10:34am Wed 29 Feb 12 If nobody smoked where would the Treasury find the £11 billion tax they pay each year?' even more on fuel duty... as usual! Amoco Caditz

11:36am Wed 29 Feb 12

monkeyhanger says...

Good balance in the article to have your "example"of a smoker,displaying red hair and a nose ring.
Good balance in the article to have your "example"of a smoker,displaying red hair and a nose ring. monkeyhanger

11:59am Wed 29 Feb 12

hifive says...

Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........
Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it.......... hifive

12:03pm Wed 29 Feb 12

newscritic says...

hifive wrote:
Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........
Only problem I have with smokers is that smokers pollute the clean air and others lungs too with 4,000 chemicals many carcinogenic.
[quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........[/p][/quote]Only problem I have with smokers is that smokers pollute the clean air and others lungs too with 4,000 chemicals many carcinogenic. newscritic

12:12pm Wed 29 Feb 12

hifive says...

newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote: Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........
Only problem I have with smokers is that smokers pollute the clean air and others lungs too with 4,000 chemicals many carcinogenic.
True, but I don't drive and take issue with the harmful emissions from exhaust fumes. My point is most people will engage in a habit that others disapprove of for whatever reason. But whilst that "habit" is legal and readily available the best stance is to live and let live as bullying people into changing their ways will have the opposite effect if any all.
[quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........[/p][/quote]Only problem I have with smokers is that smokers pollute the clean air and others lungs too with 4,000 chemicals many carcinogenic.[/p][/quote]True, but I don't drive and take issue with the harmful emissions from exhaust fumes. My point is most people will engage in a habit that others disapprove of for whatever reason. But whilst that "habit" is legal and readily available the best stance is to live and let live as bullying people into changing their ways will have the opposite effect if any all. hifive

12:18pm Wed 29 Feb 12

bananapajama says...

magicadey wrote:
And Laura - You should be looked down on. You broke the law and smoked at an illegal age and what do you know about the risk.
8 years ago when she would have been 14, the law did not regulate at what age you could smoke. The law only said that it was illegal to sell (note it didn't say purchase/attempt to purchase) tobacco products to someone under 16. Therefore purchasing and smoking them was legal at any age. Police only had the power to confiscate the cigarettes and ask where they were bought. This changed when the smoking ban was bought in, this bought tobacco in line with alcohol in that it is illegal to purchase, attempt to purchase or be in possession of tobacco products under 18.

Laura did not break the law or smoke at an illegal age.
[quote][p][bold]magicadey[/bold] wrote: And Laura - You should be looked down on. You broke the law and smoked at an illegal age and what do you know about the risk.[/p][/quote]8 years ago when she would have been 14, the law did not regulate at what age you could smoke. The law only said that it was illegal to sell (note it didn't say purchase/attempt to purchase) tobacco products to someone under 16. Therefore purchasing and smoking them was legal at any age. Police only had the power to confiscate the cigarettes and ask where they were bought. This changed when the smoking ban was bought in, this bought tobacco in line with alcohol in that it is illegal to purchase, attempt to purchase or be in possession of tobacco products under 18. Laura did not break the law or smoke at an illegal age. bananapajama

12:32pm Wed 29 Feb 12

magicadey says...

ok cheers :P
ok cheers :P magicadey

12:41pm Wed 29 Feb 12

ReginaldBiscuit says...

The human race always creates lepers. That's what human beings do. If people want to smoke then let them, just not where I can breathe it in from the passive smoking risk.

You do feel that smokers are almost at the 'legalise it' stage though.
The human race always creates lepers. That's what human beings do. If people want to smoke then let them, just not where I can breathe it in from the passive smoking risk. You do feel that smokers are almost at the 'legalise it' stage though. ReginaldBiscuit

12:42pm Wed 29 Feb 12

TheTruthHurts says...

I hope they dont make it illegal. What else are we supposed to roll our weed with? :-)
I hope they dont make it illegal. What else are we supposed to roll our weed with? :-) TheTruthHurts

12:47pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Chrido81 says...

If someone coughs deliberately at you when you're out having a cig, just look them in the eye and say:
"That's quite a cough you have there, you should be thankful you're not a smoker like me".

I can turn the tables now in any case, since I've started to use an e-cig. People aren't as self righteous around you, yet people still move out of the way on busy streets when they see you puffing away. Bonus.
If someone coughs deliberately at you when you're out having a cig, just look them in the eye and say: "That's quite a cough you have there, you should be thankful you're not a smoker like me". I can turn the tables now in any case, since I've started to use an e-cig. People aren't as self righteous around you, yet people still move out of the way on busy streets when they see you puffing away. Bonus. Chrido81

1:34pm Wed 29 Feb 12

David of York says...

This statement: "poorer communities in particular, where smokers are traditionally found in higher numbers, are increasingly subject to public vilification" ...implies that smoking is an inevitable consequence of someone's social position. This is not the case. All smokers, regardless of social class, have a choice.

Besides, it is not the "class-related disadvantages" that put people off smoking, it is largely the health disadvantages.

Most people refrain from smoking not because they fear it may make them appear lower-class but because it is a disgusting, unhealthy and inconsiderate activity.
This statement: "poorer communities in particular, where smokers are traditionally found in higher numbers, are increasingly subject to public vilification" ...implies that smoking is an inevitable consequence of someone's social position. This is not the case. All smokers, regardless of social class, have a choice. Besides, it is not the "class-related disadvantages" that put people off smoking, it is largely the health disadvantages. Most people refrain from smoking not because they fear it may make them appear lower-class but because it is a disgusting, unhealthy and inconsiderate activity. David of York

1:41pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Gromit says...

My mum smoked right up until I was 30. She found out she had cancer then quite. It was not lung cancer but cancer of the mouth and the nerves on the left hand side of her face.

She had a big operation to remove it, and had radio therapy. She got it again in 2007, she had more painful surgery.

Now in 2012 after getting it again in 2011, she is unable to get treatment. We are watching my mums face being eaten away by this disease, caused by all those years of smoking.

She is unable to eat or drink, and her speech is hard to understand.

I think if smokers were made to see what is happening to my mums face, they wouldn't be dying to have a fag any more.
My mum smoked right up until I was 30. She found out she had cancer then quite. It was not lung cancer but cancer of the mouth and the nerves on the left hand side of her face. She had a big operation to remove it, and had radio therapy. She got it again in 2007, she had more painful surgery. Now in 2012 after getting it again in 2011, she is unable to get treatment. We are watching my mums face being eaten away by this disease, caused by all those years of smoking. She is unable to eat or drink, and her speech is hard to understand. I think if smokers were made to see what is happening to my mums face, they wouldn't be dying to have a fag any more. Gromit

2:04pm Wed 29 Feb 12

alfie says...

York-10 wrote:
Smoking is a choice. Some people smoke some people don't. Fast food and drinking is bad for you, should they make that illegal too groble? Its right that people cant smoke in pubs and inside public places but banning it from outdoor public aras as well would be pushing it a bit far. I say this as a smoker and if im outside with people who dont smoke I stand away from them if a family or young children walk past me, i also stand away from them because it is my choice to smoke, and there's not to and i know it can be harmful and i respect that but i won't allow people to think that i am similar to the people described as 'typical smokers'
Smoking is not a choice, the only choice you get is whether to smoke that first one then its addiction territory.
[quote][p][bold]York-10[/bold] wrote: Smoking is a choice. Some people smoke some people don't. Fast food and drinking is bad for you, should they make that illegal too groble? Its right that people cant smoke in pubs and inside public places but banning it from outdoor public aras as well would be pushing it a bit far. I say this as a smoker and if im outside with people who dont smoke I stand away from them if a family or young children walk past me, i also stand away from them because it is my choice to smoke, and there's not to and i know it can be harmful and i respect that but i won't allow people to think that i am similar to the people described as 'typical smokers'[/p][/quote]Smoking is not a choice, the only choice you get is whether to smoke that first one then its addiction territory. alfie

2:08pm Wed 29 Feb 12

alfie says...

hifive wrote:
Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........
you missed one out...until the day I have emphysema so bad I can no longer inhale due to the oxygen mask glued to my face.
[quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........[/p][/quote]you missed one out...until the day I have emphysema so bad I can no longer inhale due to the oxygen mask glued to my face. alfie

3:13pm Wed 29 Feb 12

bloodaxe says...

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
The human race always creates lepers. That's what human beings do. If people want to smoke then let them, just not where I can breathe it in from the passive smoking risk.

You do feel that smokers are almost at the 'legalise it' stage though.
Lepers don't choose to be lepers. Smokers do and if people wish to smoke then as long as they do it away from the 80% who don't then that's fine. The problem with smoking, like spitting, is that it's invasive and threatens the health and wellbeing of others.
[quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: The human race always creates lepers. That's what human beings do. If people want to smoke then let them, just not where I can breathe it in from the passive smoking risk. You do feel that smokers are almost at the 'legalise it' stage though.[/p][/quote]Lepers don't choose to be lepers. Smokers do and if people wish to smoke then as long as they do it away from the 80% who don't then that's fine. The problem with smoking, like spitting, is that it's invasive and threatens the health and wellbeing of others. bloodaxe

3:23pm Wed 29 Feb 12

York-10 says...

Alfie you should be in acting for your dramatisation. It is my choice. I know I dont need a cigarette and I aren't addicted because I know if I wanted to I could give up right now but I don't want to I enjoy smoking.
Alfie you should be in acting for your dramatisation. It is my choice. I know I dont need a cigarette and I aren't addicted because I know if I wanted to I could give up right now but I don't want to I enjoy smoking. York-10

3:46pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Gromit says...

York-10 wrote:
Alfie you should be in acting for your dramatisation. It is my choice. I know I dont need a cigarette and I aren't addicted because I know if I wanted to I could give up right now but I don't want to I enjoy smoking.
Sounds like a true addict.

I'm tired of seeing countless cigarette filters dumped on pavements by irresponsible littering smokers who just walk away not thinking twice about anyone else who uses the street.

Its way up there with dog owners and the mess their animals make. Maybe both these groups should be made to eat what they leave?
[quote][p][bold]York-10[/bold] wrote: Alfie you should be in acting for your dramatisation. It is my choice. I know I dont need a cigarette and I aren't addicted because I know if I wanted to I could give up right now but I don't want to I enjoy smoking.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a true addict. I'm tired of seeing countless cigarette filters dumped on pavements by irresponsible littering smokers who just walk away not thinking twice about anyone else who uses the street. Its way up there with dog owners and the mess their animals make. Maybe both these groups should be made to eat what they leave? Gromit

3:57pm Wed 29 Feb 12

daveyboy25 says...

i smoke because i enjoy it. the day i decide its not for me i will quit. people enjoy a various of different things and i would not ask people to stop enjoying what they want so BUTT out. If cig butts are a problem try putting ash trays where they are needed
i smoke because i enjoy it. the day i decide its not for me i will quit. people enjoy a various of different things and i would not ask people to stop enjoying what they want so BUTT out. If cig butts are a problem try putting ash trays where they are needed daveyboy25

4:09pm Wed 29 Feb 12

TheTruthHurts says...

alfie wrote:
York-10 wrote: Smoking is a choice. Some people smoke some people don't. Fast food and drinking is bad for you, should they make that illegal too groble? Its right that people cant smoke in pubs and inside public places but banning it from outdoor public aras as well would be pushing it a bit far. I say this as a smoker and if im outside with people who dont smoke I stand away from them if a family or young children walk past me, i also stand away from them because it is my choice to smoke, and there's not to and i know it can be harmful and i respect that but i won't allow people to think that i am similar to the people described as 'typical smokers'
Smoking is not a choice, the only choice you get is whether to smoke that first one then its addiction territory.
Ha yes of course. You do realise its not as addictive as that dont you.
[quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York-10[/bold] wrote: Smoking is a choice. Some people smoke some people don't. Fast food and drinking is bad for you, should they make that illegal too groble? Its right that people cant smoke in pubs and inside public places but banning it from outdoor public aras as well would be pushing it a bit far. I say this as a smoker and if im outside with people who dont smoke I stand away from them if a family or young children walk past me, i also stand away from them because it is my choice to smoke, and there's not to and i know it can be harmful and i respect that but i won't allow people to think that i am similar to the people described as 'typical smokers'[/p][/quote]Smoking is not a choice, the only choice you get is whether to smoke that first one then its addiction territory.[/p][/quote]Ha yes of course. You do realise its not as addictive as that dont you. TheTruthHurts

4:12pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Gromit says...

daveyboy25 wrote:
i smoke because i enjoy it. the day i decide its not for me i will quit. people enjoy a various of different things and i would not ask people to stop enjoying what they want so BUTT out. If cig butts are a problem try putting ash trays where they are needed
So someone else has to deal with your mess? Why not get yourself a personal ashtray and take your cig ends home with you.

It is wrong to drop any kind of litter.
[quote][p][bold]daveyboy25[/bold] wrote: i smoke because i enjoy it. the day i decide its not for me i will quit. people enjoy a various of different things and i would not ask people to stop enjoying what they want so BUTT out. If cig butts are a problem try putting ash trays where they are needed[/p][/quote]So someone else has to deal with your mess? Why not get yourself a personal ashtray and take your cig ends home with you. It is wrong to drop any kind of litter. Gromit

4:18pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Gromit says...

It is a dirty, disgusting, stinking habit. Parents who smoke in front of their children, whilst knowing full well of the harm they are causing the children need their heads read.

It is about time smokers in this country took responsibility for their own mess.
It is a dirty, disgusting, stinking habit. Parents who smoke in front of their children, whilst knowing full well of the harm they are causing the children need their heads read. It is about time smokers in this country took responsibility for their own mess. Gromit

4:22pm Wed 29 Feb 12

York-10 says...

I go out of my way to ensure that I dont litter cigarette butts all over the place, I can understand not all do. As i said some people smoke some people don't I choose to, you don't, I just think people take this way over the top, and I arent complaining about the amount of tax I pay on cigarettes but it is a hell of a lot and it goes up again soon, what would they do if they made smoking illegal? Where would they get that money from then? Probably up the tax on something you consume as well as everyone else alfie, then you'll complain about that too!
I go out of my way to ensure that I dont litter cigarette butts all over the place, I can understand not all do. As i said some people smoke some people don't I choose to, you don't, I just think people take this way over the top, and I arent complaining about the amount of tax I pay on cigarettes but it is a hell of a lot and it goes up again soon, what would they do if they made smoking illegal? Where would they get that money from then? Probably up the tax on something you consume as well as everyone else alfie, then you'll complain about that too! York-10

4:48pm Wed 29 Feb 12

newscritic says...

I do not understand how many people can afford to smoke.
I do not understand how many people can afford to smoke. newscritic

4:53pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Gromit says...

newscritic wrote:
I do not understand how many people can afford to smoke.
Some people smoke and drink letting their kids go without decent food. I was one of those children.
[quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: I do not understand how many people can afford to smoke.[/p][/quote]Some people smoke and drink letting their kids go without decent food. I was one of those children. Gromit

5:10pm Wed 29 Feb 12

alfie says...

York-10 wrote:
Alfie you should be in acting for your dramatisation. It is my choice. I know I dont need a cigarette and I aren't addicted because I know if I wanted to I could give up right now but I don't want to I enjoy smoking.
Did you enjoy that very first one you had all them years ago?
[quote][p][bold]York-10[/bold] wrote: Alfie you should be in acting for your dramatisation. It is my choice. I know I dont need a cigarette and I aren't addicted because I know if I wanted to I could give up right now but I don't want to I enjoy smoking.[/p][/quote]Did you enjoy that very first one you had all them years ago? alfie

5:14pm Wed 29 Feb 12

marma495 says...

The point here is I think that the smoking rate has been coming down, year on year, but since the smoking ban it has now tailed off and is in danger of rising again.
All it has done is cause resentment and a hell of a lot of closed venues.
The point here is I think that the smoking rate has been coming down, year on year, but since the smoking ban it has now tailed off and is in danger of rising again. All it has done is cause resentment and a hell of a lot of closed venues. marma495

5:22pm Wed 29 Feb 12

alfie says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
alfie wrote:
York-10 wrote: Smoking is a choice. Some people smoke some people don't. Fast food and drinking is bad for you, should they make that illegal too groble? Its right that people cant smoke in pubs and inside public places but banning it from outdoor public aras as well would be pushing it a bit far. I say this as a smoker and if im outside with people who dont smoke I stand away from them if a family or young children walk past me, i also stand away from them because it is my choice to smoke, and there's not to and i know it can be harmful and i respect that but i won't allow people to think that i am similar to the people described as 'typical smokers'
Smoking is not a choice, the only choice you get is whether to smoke that first one then its addiction territory.
Ha yes of course. You do realise its not as addictive as that dont you.
Yes I do realise that. The trap is you have one and think that's not very nice how do people get addicted, so you don't have another for a while but then some people will try it again and again and will think they can stop when ever they like its not till they then actually try to stop when they realise they cant. They fool themselves that they enjoy it because they don't enjoy the feeling when they start to withdraw from nicotine.
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York-10[/bold] wrote: Smoking is a choice. Some people smoke some people don't. Fast food and drinking is bad for you, should they make that illegal too groble? Its right that people cant smoke in pubs and inside public places but banning it from outdoor public aras as well would be pushing it a bit far. I say this as a smoker and if im outside with people who dont smoke I stand away from them if a family or young children walk past me, i also stand away from them because it is my choice to smoke, and there's not to and i know it can be harmful and i respect that but i won't allow people to think that i am similar to the people described as 'typical smokers'[/p][/quote]Smoking is not a choice, the only choice you get is whether to smoke that first one then its addiction territory.[/p][/quote]Ha yes of course. You do realise its not as addictive as that dont you.[/p][/quote]Yes I do realise that. The trap is you have one and think that's not very nice how do people get addicted, so you don't have another for a while but then some people will try it again and again and will think they can stop when ever they like its not till they then actually try to stop when they realise they cant. They fool themselves that they enjoy it because they don't enjoy the feeling when they start to withdraw from nicotine. alfie

5:52pm Wed 29 Feb 12

York-10 says...

Alfie, yes I did. But I can go months without a cigarette, done it before, can do it again. It isn't as addictive as everyone makes out.
Alfie, yes I did. But I can go months without a cigarette, done it before, can do it again. It isn't as addictive as everyone makes out. York-10

7:23pm Wed 29 Feb 12

yorkborn66 says...

I smoke and it is a horrible expensive habit. But like anyone depended on drugs its hard to kick the habit. It is my quest to stop this year, but I am sick to my back teeth of hearing comments that smokers cause financial strains on the NHS.
The amount of revenue the government makes on tobacco and cigarettes are huge.
If the government were not making so much money they would ban it.
I have never smoked in a pub even when I could and as for restaurants I found anyone smoking in one was dam ignorant.
The one thing I have noticed is how pubs now stink of body odder now people cannot smoke in them.
If someone wants to smoke then up to them, but I totally disagree with the report on social misfits smoking, personally when I am in pub and someone breaks wind and it stinks, that to me is a problem. Its all about balance, live and let live, but have consideration for others. Like that really happens in today’s society in general.
It really annoys me to see kids smoking .
I smoke and it is a horrible expensive habit. But like anyone depended on drugs its hard to kick the habit. It is my quest to stop this year, but I am sick to my back teeth of hearing comments that smokers cause financial strains on the NHS. The amount of revenue the government makes on tobacco and cigarettes are huge. If the government were not making so much money they would ban it. I have never smoked in a pub even when I could and as for restaurants I found anyone smoking in one was dam ignorant. The one thing I have noticed is how pubs now stink of body odder now people cannot smoke in them. If someone wants to smoke then up to them, but I totally disagree with the report on social misfits smoking, personally when I am in pub and someone breaks wind and it stinks, that to me is a problem. Its all about balance, live and let live, but have consideration for others. Like that really happens in today’s society in general. It really annoys me to see kids smoking . yorkborn66

7:58pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Chrido81 wrote:
If someone coughs deliberately at you when you're out having a cig, just look them in the eye and say: "That's quite a cough you have there, you should be thankful you're not a smoker like me". I can turn the tables now in any case, since I've started to use an e-cig. People aren't as self righteous around you, yet people still move out of the way on busy streets when they see you puffing away. Bonus.
Bill Hicks
[quote][p][bold]Chrido81[/bold] wrote: If someone coughs deliberately at you when you're out having a cig, just look them in the eye and say: "That's quite a cough you have there, you should be thankful you're not a smoker like me". I can turn the tables now in any case, since I've started to use an e-cig. People aren't as self righteous around you, yet people still move out of the way on busy streets when they see you puffing away. Bonus.[/p][/quote]Bill Hicks Buzz Light-year

8:00pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Chas suffolk, Jennifer Hunter and the other one are conspicuously absent from this.
Any smoking story usually gets a host of propaganda dressed up as "pro-choice" from those dudes.
I'm almost disappointed.
Chas suffolk, Jennifer Hunter and the other one are conspicuously absent from this. Any smoking story usually gets a host of propaganda dressed up as "pro-choice" from those dudes. I'm almost disappointed. Buzz Light-year

10:34pm Wed 29 Feb 12

monkeyhanger says...

I really don't get the total the hatred some folk have about smokers.We can't smoke in pubs or sports grounds etc,we contribute a fortune in tax,yet its not enough.I must say that I wish no harm on anyone,however,these clean living,self righteous control freaks can, politeness stops me.
I really don't get the total the hatred some folk have about smokers.We can't smoke in pubs or sports grounds etc,we contribute a fortune in tax,yet its not enough.I must say that I wish no harm on anyone,however,these clean living,self righteous control freaks can, politeness stops me. monkeyhanger

7:14am Thu 1 Mar 12

mortandindi says...

They should be treated as outsiders, they stink themselves and pollute wherever they go. Until they banned smoking inside public buildings, restaurants, bars etc were revolting places to go, now it stinks just walking through the city centre. Ban healthcare for the lot of them, their nothing short of social lepers. We have a budjet coming up shortly, how about making it £50 a packet to offset what problems they cause to the general public.
They should be treated as outsiders, they stink themselves and pollute wherever they go. Until they banned smoking inside public buildings, restaurants, bars etc were revolting places to go, now it stinks just walking through the city centre. Ban healthcare for the lot of them, their nothing short of social lepers. We have a budjet coming up shortly, how about making it £50 a packet to offset what problems they cause to the general public. mortandindi

10:11am Thu 1 Mar 12

alfie says...

York-10 wrote:
Alfie, yes I did. But I can go months without a cigarette, done it before, can do it again. It isn't as addictive as everyone makes out.
You didn't quit though you started again be it days, months or years you started again, why did you stop only to start again?
[quote][p][bold]York-10[/bold] wrote: Alfie, yes I did. But I can go months without a cigarette, done it before, can do it again. It isn't as addictive as everyone makes out.[/p][/quote]You didn't quit though you started again be it days, months or years you started again, why did you stop only to start again? alfie

10:43am Thu 1 Mar 12

hifive says...

Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden!
Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden! hifive

10:49am Thu 1 Mar 12

newscritic says...

hifive wrote:
Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden!
Calm down and have another ciggie.
[quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden![/p][/quote]Calm down and have another ciggie. newscritic

11:10am Thu 1 Mar 12

hifive says...

newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden!
Calm down and have another ciggie.
I'm perfectly calm I assure you. Nothing to do with the cigs - a positive mental attitude! Some of the angrier people on here will probably die long before me from a stress related illness! In fact, if you do get ill from stress perhaps fund your own health care due to the fact it's self inflicted? Why don't you go for a nice calming drive. Be sure to keep your windows closed so you don't breathe in those nasty fumes though!
[quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden![/p][/quote]Calm down and have another ciggie.[/p][/quote]I'm perfectly calm I assure you. Nothing to do with the cigs - a positive mental attitude! Some of the angrier people on here will probably die long before me from a stress related illness! In fact, if you do get ill from stress perhaps fund your own health care due to the fact it's self inflicted? Why don't you go for a nice calming drive. Be sure to keep your windows closed so you don't breathe in those nasty fumes though! hifive

11:19am Thu 1 Mar 12

newscritic says...

hifive wrote:
newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden!
Calm down and have another ciggie.
I'm perfectly calm I assure you. Nothing to do with the cigs - a positive mental attitude! Some of the angrier people on here will probably die long before me from a stress related illness! In fact, if you do get ill from stress perhaps fund your own health care due to the fact it's self inflicted? Why don't you go for a nice calming drive. Be sure to keep your windows closed so you don't breathe in those nasty fumes though!
The Treasury will be more than happy for you to light up another coffin nail and pay the onerous tax for the dubious pleasure.

By the way smoke from ciggies spreads across garden boundaries contracting ones throat and lungs.
[quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden![/p][/quote]Calm down and have another ciggie.[/p][/quote]I'm perfectly calm I assure you. Nothing to do with the cigs - a positive mental attitude! Some of the angrier people on here will probably die long before me from a stress related illness! In fact, if you do get ill from stress perhaps fund your own health care due to the fact it's self inflicted? Why don't you go for a nice calming drive. Be sure to keep your windows closed so you don't breathe in those nasty fumes though![/p][/quote]The Treasury will be more than happy for you to light up another coffin nail and pay the onerous tax for the dubious pleasure. By the way smoke from ciggies spreads across garden boundaries contracting ones throat and lungs. newscritic

11:25am Thu 1 Mar 12

hifive says...

newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote:
newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden!
Calm down and have another ciggie.
I'm perfectly calm I assure you. Nothing to do with the cigs - a positive mental attitude! Some of the angrier people on here will probably die long before me from a stress related illness! In fact, if you do get ill from stress perhaps fund your own health care due to the fact it's self inflicted? Why don't you go for a nice calming drive. Be sure to keep your windows closed so you don't breathe in those nasty fumes though!
The Treasury will be more than happy for you to light up another coffin nail and pay the onerous tax for the dubious pleasure. By the way smoke from ciggies spreads across garden boundaries contracting ones throat and lungs.
I have a particularly large garden, I'm sure my big bad malboro light won't do you too much harm.....

Seriously, go for that drive!
[quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden![/p][/quote]Calm down and have another ciggie.[/p][/quote]I'm perfectly calm I assure you. Nothing to do with the cigs - a positive mental attitude! Some of the angrier people on here will probably die long before me from a stress related illness! In fact, if you do get ill from stress perhaps fund your own health care due to the fact it's self inflicted? Why don't you go for a nice calming drive. Be sure to keep your windows closed so you don't breathe in those nasty fumes though![/p][/quote]The Treasury will be more than happy for you to light up another coffin nail and pay the onerous tax for the dubious pleasure. By the way smoke from ciggies spreads across garden boundaries contracting ones throat and lungs.[/p][/quote]I have a particularly large garden, I'm sure my big bad malboro light won't do you too much harm..... Seriously, go for that drive! hifive

11:31am Thu 1 Mar 12

newscritic says...

hifive wrote:
newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote:
newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden!
Calm down and have another ciggie.
I'm perfectly calm I assure you. Nothing to do with the cigs - a positive mental attitude! Some of the angrier people on here will probably die long before me from a stress related illness! In fact, if you do get ill from stress perhaps fund your own health care due to the fact it's self inflicted? Why don't you go for a nice calming drive. Be sure to keep your windows closed so you don't breathe in those nasty fumes though!
The Treasury will be more than happy for you to light up another coffin nail and pay the onerous tax for the dubious pleasure. By the way smoke from ciggies spreads across garden boundaries contracting ones throat and lungs.
I have a particularly large garden, I'm sure my big bad malboro light won't do you too much harm.....

Seriously, go for that drive!
Seriously carry on smoking and I hardly ever drive cos I'm a good boy I am.
[quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden![/p][/quote]Calm down and have another ciggie.[/p][/quote]I'm perfectly calm I assure you. Nothing to do with the cigs - a positive mental attitude! Some of the angrier people on here will probably die long before me from a stress related illness! In fact, if you do get ill from stress perhaps fund your own health care due to the fact it's self inflicted? Why don't you go for a nice calming drive. Be sure to keep your windows closed so you don't breathe in those nasty fumes though![/p][/quote]The Treasury will be more than happy for you to light up another coffin nail and pay the onerous tax for the dubious pleasure. By the way smoke from ciggies spreads across garden boundaries contracting ones throat and lungs.[/p][/quote]I have a particularly large garden, I'm sure my big bad malboro light won't do you too much harm..... Seriously, go for that drive![/p][/quote]Seriously carry on smoking and I hardly ever drive cos I'm a good boy I am. newscritic

11:33am Thu 1 Mar 12

hifive says...

newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote:
newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote:
newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden!
Calm down and have another ciggie.
I'm perfectly calm I assure you. Nothing to do with the cigs - a positive mental attitude! Some of the angrier people on here will probably die long before me from a stress related illness! In fact, if you do get ill from stress perhaps fund your own health care due to the fact it's self inflicted? Why don't you go for a nice calming drive. Be sure to keep your windows closed so you don't breathe in those nasty fumes though!
The Treasury will be more than happy for you to light up another coffin nail and pay the onerous tax for the dubious pleasure. By the way smoke from ciggies spreads across garden boundaries contracting ones throat and lungs.
I have a particularly large garden, I'm sure my big bad malboro light won't do you too much harm..... Seriously, go for that drive!
Seriously carry on smoking and I hardly ever drive cos I'm a good boy I am.
I'm sure your "hardly ever" equates nicely to my three light cigarettes in my large garden. Shall we call it a draw?
[quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Some of you angry non smokers sound like you can do with one to calm you down! I get it - it's disgusting. But to say we don't deserve health care etc is ridiculous. You'd have to exclude drinkers, obese people, drug addicts, basically everyone who has contributed in part to their own illness. I contribute well to the economy and am healthy in other areas of my lifestyle. I smoke about three cigarettes a day and don't think that is excessive. Anyone who drives is a huge hypocrite - I have to breathe disgusting fumes from your vehicles so put up with the three cigarettes I smoke in my own garden. If you don't like it...well get out of my garden![/p][/quote]Calm down and have another ciggie.[/p][/quote]I'm perfectly calm I assure you. Nothing to do with the cigs - a positive mental attitude! Some of the angrier people on here will probably die long before me from a stress related illness! In fact, if you do get ill from stress perhaps fund your own health care due to the fact it's self inflicted? Why don't you go for a nice calming drive. Be sure to keep your windows closed so you don't breathe in those nasty fumes though![/p][/quote]The Treasury will be more than happy for you to light up another coffin nail and pay the onerous tax for the dubious pleasure. By the way smoke from ciggies spreads across garden boundaries contracting ones throat and lungs.[/p][/quote]I have a particularly large garden, I'm sure my big bad malboro light won't do you too much harm..... Seriously, go for that drive![/p][/quote]Seriously carry on smoking and I hardly ever drive cos I'm a good boy I am.[/p][/quote]I'm sure your "hardly ever" equates nicely to my three light cigarettes in my large garden. Shall we call it a draw? hifive

11:36am Thu 1 Mar 12

newscritic says...

I couldn't care less if you smoke or if people drink or drive as it really doesn't matter in the end does it?

You do what gets you through life and good luck to you.
I couldn't care less if you smoke or if people drink or drive as it really doesn't matter in the end does it? You do what gets you through life and good luck to you. newscritic

12:00pm Thu 1 Mar 12

hifive says...

That was my point yesterday morning! Jeez....that took a while.
That was my point yesterday morning! Jeez....that took a while. hifive

12:03pm Thu 1 Mar 12

newscritic says...

hifive wrote:
That was my point yesterday morning! Jeez....that took a while.
Now now don't throw goodwill back in my face.
[quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: That was my point yesterday morning! Jeez....that took a while.[/p][/quote]Now now don't throw goodwill back in my face. newscritic

1:47pm Thu 1 Mar 12

FulfordFreeThinker says...

mortandindi wrote:
They should be treated as outsiders, they stink themselves and pollute wherever they go. Until they banned smoking inside public buildings, restaurants, bars etc were revolting places to go, now it stinks just walking through the city centre. Ban healthcare for the lot of them, their nothing short of social lepers. We have a budjet coming up shortly, how about making it £50 a packet to offset what problems they cause to the general public.
Perhaps we should charge £50 per spelling mistake? You owe me £100.
[quote][p][bold]mortandindi[/bold] wrote: They should be treated as outsiders, they stink themselves and pollute wherever they go. Until they banned smoking inside public buildings, restaurants, bars etc were revolting places to go, now it stinks just walking through the city centre. Ban healthcare for the lot of them, their nothing short of social lepers. We have a budjet coming up shortly, how about making it £50 a packet to offset what problems they cause to the general public.[/p][/quote]Perhaps we should charge £50 per spelling mistake? You owe me £100. FulfordFreeThinker

1:56pm Thu 1 Mar 12

alfie says...

mortandindi wrote:
They should be treated as outsiders, they stink themselves and pollute wherever they go. Until they banned smoking inside public buildings, restaurants, bars etc were revolting places to go, now it stinks just walking through the city centre. Ban healthcare for the lot of them, their nothing short of social lepers. We have a budjet coming up shortly, how about making it £50 a packet to offset what problems they cause to the general public.
oh dear me : (
[quote][p][bold]mortandindi[/bold] wrote: They should be treated as outsiders, they stink themselves and pollute wherever they go. Until they banned smoking inside public buildings, restaurants, bars etc were revolting places to go, now it stinks just walking through the city centre. Ban healthcare for the lot of them, their nothing short of social lepers. We have a budjet coming up shortly, how about making it £50 a packet to offset what problems they cause to the general public.[/p][/quote]oh dear me : ( alfie

7:55am Fri 2 Mar 12

SuperChris says...

good, they can stay outside too
good, they can stay outside too SuperChris

1:30pm Fri 2 Mar 12

Hollywood Star says...

I think that the smoking ban is fantastic as is the idea that cigarettes are going to be hidden from view in shops. The more we make it unacceptable and difficult to be able to smoke, the better for our future generations. Then hopefully less people will smoke in the future.
I detest walking past people smoking at the entrances to places, it is horrible.
By the way, i say all this as an ex-smoker, quit 6 years ago and it is the best thing i have EVER done !!!
I think that the smoking ban is fantastic as is the idea that cigarettes are going to be hidden from view in shops. The more we make it unacceptable and difficult to be able to smoke, the better for our future generations. Then hopefully less people will smoke in the future. I detest walking past people smoking at the entrances to places, it is horrible. By the way, i say all this as an ex-smoker, quit 6 years ago and it is the best thing i have EVER done !!! Hollywood Star

1:54pm Fri 2 Mar 12

nomadic85 says...

lets face it, people who smoke are just a bit thick. Paying all that money out to harm yourself. You might as well sit at home burning a five pound note each day whilst sticking pins into yourself. Equates to about the same. Still, while its keeping my taxes down they can carry on for all I care.
lets face it, people who smoke are just a bit thick. Paying all that money out to harm yourself. You might as well sit at home burning a five pound note each day whilst sticking pins into yourself. Equates to about the same. Still, while its keeping my taxes down they can carry on for all I care. nomadic85

4:46pm Fri 2 Mar 12

inmandres says...

On a slightly different note, I seem to remember the anti-smoking zealots saying that the ban would do wonders for the pub trade by making them more pleasant places to socialise. Judging by the number of pub closures occurring almost daily, I think they were probably mistaken.
On a slightly different note, I seem to remember the anti-smoking zealots saying that the ban would do wonders for the pub trade by making them more pleasant places to socialise. Judging by the number of pub closures occurring almost daily, I think they were probably mistaken. inmandres

8:54pm Fri 2 Mar 12

deathwatch says...

newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote:
Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........
Only problem I have with smokers is that smokers pollute the clean air and others lungs too with 4,000 chemicals many carcinogenic.
And car exhausts don't pollute the air, I suppose? Shall we ban cars/lorries/motorcy
cles with lethal carbon monoxide??? Ground all aircraft to 'save the Planet?
[quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........[/p][/quote]Only problem I have with smokers is that smokers pollute the clean air and others lungs too with 4,000 chemicals many carcinogenic.[/p][/quote]And car exhausts don't pollute the air, I suppose? Shall we ban cars/lorries/motorcy cles with lethal carbon monoxide??? Ground all aircraft to 'save the Planet? deathwatch

8:55pm Fri 2 Mar 12

deathwatch says...

hifive wrote:
newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote: Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........
Only problem I have with smokers is that smokers pollute the clean air and others lungs too with 4,000 chemicals many carcinogenic.
True, but I don't drive and take issue with the harmful emissions from exhaust fumes. My point is most people will engage in a habit that others disapprove of for whatever reason. But whilst that "habit" is legal and readily available the best stance is to live and let live as bullying people into changing their ways will have the opposite effect if any all.
Very true...
[quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........[/p][/quote]Only problem I have with smokers is that smokers pollute the clean air and others lungs too with 4,000 chemicals many carcinogenic.[/p][/quote]True, but I don't drive and take issue with the harmful emissions from exhaust fumes. My point is most people will engage in a habit that others disapprove of for whatever reason. But whilst that "habit" is legal and readily available the best stance is to live and let live as bullying people into changing their ways will have the opposite effect if any all.[/p][/quote]Very true... deathwatch

9:32pm Fri 2 Mar 12

newscritic says...

deathwatch wrote:
newscritic wrote:
hifive wrote:
Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........
Only problem I have with smokers is that smokers pollute the clean air and others lungs too with 4,000 chemicals many carcinogenic.
And car exhausts don't pollute the air, I suppose? Shall we ban cars/lorries/motorcy

cles with lethal carbon monoxide??? Ground all aircraft to 'save the Planet?
Now you know that is not in the least bit practical, but smokers can stop smoking.

Carbon monoxide is reduced by catalytic converters in car exhausts. The same can't be said for cigarettes which also produce carbon monoxide.
[quote][p][bold]deathwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newscritic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Smoke if you want, stay clear if you don't want to. I smoke and will continue to do so guilt free until I can no longer legally purchase them or until the day I wake up with the will to quit - which ever occurs first. I'm quite annoyed about how much obesity is costing the NHS but I won't campaign for fast food outlets to close, nor will I tut at overweight people eating pasties. Their choice. I also won't judge anyone based on hair colour or body piercings while I'm at it..........[/p][/quote]Only problem I have with smokers is that smokers pollute the clean air and others lungs too with 4,000 chemicals many carcinogenic.[/p][/quote]And car exhausts don't pollute the air, I suppose? Shall we ban cars/lorries/motorcy cles with lethal carbon monoxide??? Ground all aircraft to 'save the Planet?[/p][/quote]Now you know that is not in the least bit practical, but smokers can stop smoking. Carbon monoxide is reduced by catalytic converters in car exhausts. The same can't be said for cigarettes which also produce carbon monoxide. newscritic

9:26am Sat 3 Mar 12

THE BEAR!!! says...

Making it illegal will never happen. But i do wish it would be banned from sporting occasions. Like that of going to watch York City...
Nothing like been stood there watching the game and inhaling someone elses cancer fumes from all around you. And parents smoking in the car while toddlers/kids in the back seat, having the window open 35mm does not mean the children will be safe. It just means your selfish parents.
Making it illegal will never happen. But i do wish it would be banned from sporting occasions. Like that of going to watch York City... Nothing like been stood there watching the game and inhaling someone elses cancer fumes from all around you. And parents smoking in the car while toddlers/kids in the back seat, having the window open 35mm does not mean the children will be safe. It just means your selfish parents. THE BEAR!!!

10:18am Sat 3 Mar 12

CityBoy says...

I smoke mainly because I enjoy it, but also to stick 2 fingers up at all the moralising, holier than thou preachermen (heavily represented on this thread I might say), who constantly tell me I should stop. Stuff the lot of you - if I believed that passive smoking could kill you I'd willing blow smoke right in your miserable faces!
I smoke mainly because I enjoy it, but also to stick 2 fingers up at all the moralising, holier than thou preachermen (heavily represented on this thread I might say), who constantly tell me I should stop. Stuff the lot of you - if I believed that passive smoking could kill you I'd willing blow smoke right in your miserable faces! CityBoy

10:31am Sat 3 Mar 12

CityBoy says...

THE BEAR!!! wrote:
Making it illegal will never happen. But i do wish it would be banned from sporting occasions. Like that of going to watch York City...
Nothing like been stood there watching the game and inhaling someone elses cancer fumes from all around you. And parents smoking in the car while toddlers/kids in the back seat, having the window open 35mm does not mean the children will be safe. It just means your selfish parents.
As for watching the football, smoking is only permitted in the Longhurst - if it bothers you that much try the Pop Stand or Main Stand where the air will be as pure as an alpine breeze. People smoking at football - who would have thought it - an absolute outrage!
[quote][p][bold]THE BEAR!!![/bold] wrote: Making it illegal will never happen. But i do wish it would be banned from sporting occasions. Like that of going to watch York City... Nothing like been stood there watching the game and inhaling someone elses cancer fumes from all around you. And parents smoking in the car while toddlers/kids in the back seat, having the window open 35mm does not mean the children will be safe. It just means your selfish parents.[/p][/quote]As for watching the football, smoking is only permitted in the Longhurst - if it bothers you that much try the Pop Stand or Main Stand where the air will be as pure as an alpine breeze. People smoking at football - who would have thought it - an absolute outrage! CityBoy

12:47pm Sat 3 Mar 12

newscritic says...

CityBoy wrote:
I smoke mainly because I enjoy it, but also to stick 2 fingers up at all the moralising, holier than thou preachermen (heavily represented on this thread I might say), who constantly tell me I should stop. Stuff the lot of you - if I believed that passive smoking could kill you I'd willing blow smoke right in your miserable faces!
I'm not telling you to do anything you go ahead.

As for miserable faces most smokers always tend to look miserable to me.
[quote][p][bold]CityBoy[/bold] wrote: I smoke mainly because I enjoy it, but also to stick 2 fingers up at all the moralising, holier than thou preachermen (heavily represented on this thread I might say), who constantly tell me I should stop. Stuff the lot of you - if I believed that passive smoking could kill you I'd willing blow smoke right in your miserable faces![/p][/quote]I'm not telling you to do anything you go ahead. As for miserable faces most smokers always tend to look miserable to me. newscritic

1:23am Sun 4 Mar 12

changsta888 says...

i don't believe that covering cigs will have much effect due to the fact that you still have to be 18 to buy them and the prices are still on show as with the type/make. why is it that alcohol can still be on show on 3/4 aisle and also full stores (off-licences) but yet cigs are a small section (behind a desk!) surely that alcohol is just as bad due to the fact i have never heard of someone getting paralytic from smoking but hundreds if not more (youngsters!) are taken to hospital daily to have there stomachs pumped.

I am a smoker myself and i have never been told i look miserable due to my optimistic look on life and my active imagination and if anything with to dead end jobs i shouldn't have the smile that is on my face just about all the time.
i don't believe that covering cigs will have much effect due to the fact that you still have to be 18 to buy them and the prices are still on show as with the type/make. why is it that alcohol can still be on show on 3/4 aisle and also full stores (off-licences) but yet cigs are a small section (behind a desk!) surely that alcohol is just as bad due to the fact i have never heard of someone getting paralytic from smoking but hundreds if not more (youngsters!) are taken to hospital daily to have there stomachs pumped. I am a smoker myself and i have never been told i look miserable due to my optimistic look on life and my active imagination and if anything with to dead end jobs i shouldn't have the smile that is on my face just about all the time. changsta888

10:50am Sun 4 Mar 12

dogcapp says...

Now it is smoking, next it will be alcohol, what next?
Now it is smoking, next it will be alcohol, what next? dogcapp

11:06am Sun 4 Mar 12

WS-York says...

I smoke, I smoke outside, I don't moan about it, I understand it and the reasons for it. What I do moan about is some bleeding heart liberal wasting tax payers money investigating the 'effect of stigmatism' get a real job!
I smoke, I smoke outside, I don't moan about it, I understand it and the reasons for it. What I do moan about is some bleeding heart liberal wasting tax payers money investigating the 'effect of stigmatism' get a real job! WS-York

11:03am Mon 5 Mar 12

Hicarrumba says...

bananapajama wrote:
magicadey wrote:
And Laura - You should be looked down on. You broke the law and smoked at an illegal age and what do you know about the risk.
8 years ago when she would have been 14, the law did not regulate at what age you could smoke. The law only said that it was illegal to sell (note it didn't say purchase/attempt to purchase) tobacco products to someone under 16. Therefore purchasing and smoking them was legal at any age. Police only had the power to confiscate the cigarettes and ask where they were bought. This changed when the smoking ban was bought in, this bought tobacco in line with alcohol in that it is illegal to purchase, attempt to purchase or be in possession of tobacco products under 18.

Laura did not break the law or smoke at an illegal age.
8 years ago, the law was 16 for tobacco, had been since the 80's. Know your facts banana. And being an ex smoker, I too now look at smokers and think, you really need to feel the end fit of not smoking.
[quote][p][bold]bananapajama[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magicadey[/bold] wrote: And Laura - You should be looked down on. You broke the law and smoked at an illegal age and what do you know about the risk.[/p][/quote]8 years ago when she would have been 14, the law did not regulate at what age you could smoke. The law only said that it was illegal to sell (note it didn't say purchase/attempt to purchase) tobacco products to someone under 16. Therefore purchasing and smoking them was legal at any age. Police only had the power to confiscate the cigarettes and ask where they were bought. This changed when the smoking ban was bought in, this bought tobacco in line with alcohol in that it is illegal to purchase, attempt to purchase or be in possession of tobacco products under 18. Laura did not break the law or smoke at an illegal age.[/p][/quote]8 years ago, the law was 16 for tobacco, had been since the 80's. Know your facts banana. And being an ex smoker, I too now look at smokers and think, you really need to feel the end fit of not smoking. Hicarrumba

8:32pm Mon 5 Mar 12

NoMorePlease says...

CityBoy wrote:
I smoke mainly because I enjoy it, but also to stick 2 fingers up at all the moralising, holier than thou preachermen (heavily represented on this thread I might say), who constantly tell me I should stop. Stuff the lot of you - if I believed that passive smoking could kill you I'd willing blow smoke right in your miserable faces!
Well your last sentence shows whta a selfish idiot you are.
[quote][p][bold]CityBoy[/bold] wrote: I smoke mainly because I enjoy it, but also to stick 2 fingers up at all the moralising, holier than thou preachermen (heavily represented on this thread I might say), who constantly tell me I should stop. Stuff the lot of you - if I believed that passive smoking could kill you I'd willing blow smoke right in your miserable faces![/p][/quote]Well your last sentence shows whta a selfish idiot you are. NoMorePlease

8:43am Tue 6 Mar 12

uhtred says...

THEY ARE OUTSIDERS - OUTSIDE THE PUB, OUTSIDE THE OFFICE, OUTSIDE THE HOTEL, ALL POLLUTING THE ATMOSPHERE-OUTSIDE!
THEY ARE OUTSIDERS - OUTSIDE THE PUB, OUTSIDE THE OFFICE, OUTSIDE THE HOTEL, ALL POLLUTING THE ATMOSPHERE-OUTSIDE! uhtred

9:48am Tue 6 Mar 12

Mentos says...

CityBoy wrote:
I smoke mainly because I enjoy it, but also to stick 2 fingers up at all the moralising, holier than thou preachermen (heavily represented on this thread I might say), who constantly tell me I should stop. Stuff the lot of you - if I believed that passive smoking could kill you I'd willing blow smoke right in your miserable faces!
Well it's one thing to give 2 fingers to anti-smokers (especially the self-righteous ones),
but to deliberatly wish harm on anyone else. Do you have any friends or are you as sad as come over
[quote][p][bold]CityBoy[/bold] wrote: I smoke mainly because I enjoy it, but also to stick 2 fingers up at all the moralising, holier than thou preachermen (heavily represented on this thread I might say), who constantly tell me I should stop. Stuff the lot of you - if I believed that passive smoking could kill you I'd willing blow smoke right in your miserable faces![/p][/quote]Well it's one thing to give 2 fingers to anti-smokers (especially the self-righteous ones), but to deliberatly wish harm on anyone else. Do you have any friends or are you as sad as come over Mentos

11:37am Tue 6 Mar 12

Ichabod76 says...

I want to quote the hard facts that the department of health. These things I accept. Smoking has health risks and I am not trying to escape them.

“smoking is the largest single cause of preventable illness and premature death in the UK. It kills 106,000 people every year and costs the British taxpayer more than £1.7billion a year in treatment bills alone. It causes 84 per cent of deaths from lung cancer and 83 per cent of deaths from chronic obstructive lung disease, including
bronchitis”

So

Smoking “costs the British taxpayer more than £1.7billion a year in treatment bills”

“Most of the expenditure of The Department of Health (£98.7 billion in 2008-9) is spent on the NHS.”
(from Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/National_He
...(England)

And

UK Tax revenue from tobacco products - £10 billion (approx)
From tma website
http://www.the-tma.o
rg.uk/tobacco-tax-re
...

So
NHS costs - £100 billion
Smoking makes the government £10 billion
Smoking costs – £2 billion

I know there are other issues to be added to this balance sheet, many of which are beyond financial. However, from my point for view, I know what I am going to be saying to the people who claim that I am costing them money from smoking.
I want to quote the hard facts that the department of health. These things I accept. Smoking has health risks and I am not trying to escape them. “smoking is the largest single cause of preventable illness and premature death in the UK. It kills 106,000 people every year and costs the British taxpayer more than £1.7billion a year in treatment bills alone. It causes 84 per cent of deaths from lung cancer and 83 per cent of deaths from chronic obstructive lung disease, including bronchitis” So Smoking “costs the British taxpayer more than £1.7billion a year in treatment bills” “Most of the expenditure of The Department of Health (£98.7 billion in 2008-9[4]) is spent on the NHS.” (from Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/National_He ...(England) And UK Tax revenue from tobacco products - £10 billion (approx) From tma website http://www.the-tma.o rg.uk/tobacco-tax-re ... So NHS costs - £100 billion Smoking makes the government £10 billion Smoking costs – £2 billion I know there are other issues to be added to this balance sheet, many of which are beyond financial. However, from my point for view, I know what I am going to be saying to the people who claim that I am costing them money from smoking. Ichabod76

11:41am Tue 6 Mar 12

Mentos says...

Ichabod76, a balanced comment, allowing a point or two for wider issues. Not always seen by either side.
You are correct of course in purely financial terms but what of the moral issue?
Should we not discourage a practice that kills people even if the goverment (hypocrites on these issues of course) looses revenue?
Ichabod76, a balanced comment, allowing a point or two for wider issues. Not always seen by either side. You are correct of course in purely financial terms but what of the moral issue? Should we not discourage a practice that kills people even if the goverment (hypocrites on these issues of course) looses revenue? Mentos

4:03pm Tue 6 Mar 12

sunnysteve says...

Smoking allowed on the middle of North Yorks moors only,disgusting habit,tobacco should be banned and all offenders shot at dawn and definately"no kissing"these smelly persons.
Smoking allowed on the middle of North Yorks moors only,disgusting habit,tobacco should be banned and all offenders shot at dawn and definately"no kissing"these smelly persons. sunnysteve

10:01pm Tue 6 Mar 12

browbeaten says...

alas it might come a a shock to prof graham the public "perceptions" of smokers are in fact reality! .cynical but true they pay more taxes and die young saving a the govt a fortune.
alas it might come a a shock to prof graham the public "perceptions" of smokers are in fact reality! .cynical but true they pay more taxes and die young saving a the govt a fortune. browbeaten

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