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New £4m bus plans for York

YORK could get its own version of the London Oyster Card and bus stops could be improved, under £4.2 million transport plans unveiled today.

City of York Council is to bid for support from the Department for Transport’s Better Bus Area Fund (BBAF), which is aimed at making bus travel more attractive and reducing delays to services as they pass through narrow city-centre streets.

The authority hopes to secure £2 million from the fund and would match that with its own money from a new Economic Infrastructure Fund.

The council already plans to introduce a paper-based common ticket by the end of spring, allowing passengers to use the same ticket on different bus operators’ services.

If its bid succeeds, it would then look at bringing in “smart-ticketing” where credits can be electronically stored on cards, such as with London’s Oyster scheme.

Under the plans, five “bus interchanges” would be created at Stonebow, Piccadilly, the Theatre Royal, Rougier Street/Station Road and the railway station, with “real-time” electronic information boards and better timetable and map displays. The proposals also include easing the path through the city for services.

A report by the council’s principal transport planner, Andrew Bradley, will go before cabinet member for city strategy Coun Dave Merrett next week.

It says delays in getting across York mean operators have built “slack” into their schedules, but this often leads to services waiting at bus stops for long periods, causing congestion.

The council’s studies have shown some bus stands are taken up by waiting buses for as much as 35 minutes of every hour.

Measures which could be taken include CCTV enforcement of the Coppergate area, a bus lane on Clarence Street and putting a “bus controller” on every service to check punctuality and remove obstructions to services when necessary.

The council may also team up with the West Yorkshire PTE scheme, which is making a separate BBAF bid, to develop on-street ticket facilities.

Coun Merrett, who will be asked to approve York’s application next week, said: “If successful, this bid would see a major step forward in improving York’s local bus services, which we know is a top transport priority for residents.

Smart ticketing, much better bus interchange points and measures to tackle journey hold-ups in the city centre will all help bring York’s local bus services into the 21st century and give residents a real alternative to the car.”

The Press - Comment

Bus card would be a smart move

THERE are many ways in which York is a nicer place to live than London. It’s friendlier, more manageable in size and there is stunning countryside all around.

But in one way at least, London wins hands down. Anyone who has used the capital’s public transport recently must have wished we had a system like the Oyster card here. It is so convenient. Top your card up, and you can hop on and off buses and tube trains at will. It takes away all the hassle.

Well, if a bid by City of York Council to the Department for Transport’s Better Bus Area Fund is successful, York might get its own version of the Oyster card yet.

The council hopes to bid for £2 million which, with match-funding, would be used to improve public transport in the city.

If the bid succeeds, one of the measures the authority would like to introduce, in cooperation with local bus operators, would be a ‘smart’ ticketing service that would allow you to hop from bus to bus, even when services were run by different bus companies.

York would also get five city centre bus ‘interchanges’ – at Stonebow, Piccadilly, Rougier Street, the railway station and the Theatre Royal – each with better waiting areas, clear bus route maps and electronic information. And there would also be a crackdown on motorists using the city centre during the daytime, so roads would be less congested and buses could run on time.

All this is a long way off. But if the bid succeeds, public transport in York could be massively improved.

We’ll be keeping our fingers crossed.

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Comments(30)

TERRIER3 says...
6:42pm Mon 13 Feb 12

what a load of pap.....more chance of york becoming englands capital again

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...
6:51pm Mon 13 Feb 12

I seem to remember similar claims when York was getting the FTR.

De-ja-vue springs to mind here.

bolero says...
7:01pm Mon 13 Feb 12

........IF ONLY!!!!!!........

bolero says...
7:04pm Mon 13 Feb 12

Sorry,But this would be progress and York doesn't do progress.

RingoStarr says...
7:13pm Mon 13 Feb 12

bolero wrote:
Sorry,But this would be progress and York doesn't do progress.
Ah, that magic word 'progress'! No doubt Germany thought it was 'progressing' when it elected the Nazis.

hazedandconfused says...
7:56pm Mon 13 Feb 12

Why 4.2 MILLION? Bus controllers(?!?), a few signs, some CCTV "enforcement" and a digital method of payment to further alienate the public transport user that doesn't already receive concessions?
I appreciate York Council will ONLY be footing half the bill, but surely it would be money better spent as seen as it coincides with the new farcical budget?

The Dark Knight says...
8:50pm Mon 13 Feb 12

A survey was carried out by the council last year and passengers on buses were asked if they were in favour of the 'Common Ticket'. Turned out that a majority of the passengers said NO to it as they usually only used one of the few bus companies in York to commute to work etc. So what is this Common Ticket system supposed to achieve?

working class tory says...
9:02pm Mon 13 Feb 12

Is this "common ticket" another Alexander PPP - Pointless Pet Project?

amike says...
10:31pm Mon 13 Feb 12

The Dark Knight wrote:
A survey was carried out by the council last year and passengers on buses were asked if they were in favour of the 'Common Ticket'. Turned out that a majority of the passengers said NO to it as they usually only used one of the few bus companies in York to commute to work etc. So what is this Common Ticket system supposed to achieve?
Where did they survey - just the Park and Ride because most non car owners have to use several bus companies to get where they are going.

Magicman! says...
1:33am Tue 14 Feb 12

The ideas are good - let's just hope this "real time" information system is actually real time (as in how Brighton has a proper real time bus info system) and not what we have at the moment whereby screens just relay timetable information.
I'm glad somebody has also noticed how much padding there is in bus timetables - a few years ago it was annoying every morning if I used the number 1 to get to college, as it would wait at the Theatre for 5-10 minutes and I'd miss the connecting bus... if it had waited at the train station instead then at least I could have got the other bus and been on time to college.
York is actually a key player now in the bus world - we have 4 out of the Big 5 operators in the city (Arriva, First, Transdev, Stagecoach (megabus)) with only the GoAhead group not in the city, and then we have several independants also operating in and out of the city. We have a few route that are split between operators either by time (daytime by one company and night time by another) or by day (M-S by one company, Suns by another), and so for people who use these route the Common Ticket will be welcomed.

livewithit says...
7:55am Tue 14 Feb 12

What a waste of money !

1. York has always needed a bus station. These "areas" will just clogg up. Look at what has happened at the station.

2. The bus operators / YCC cannot keep "real time" information boards located at bus stops, updated now ! Just look at the ones in Blossom St - still displaying coastliner times from before last October

Sort out what you have now before trying to move forward

Rant over !

LibDem says...
8:26am Tue 14 Feb 12

The last survey undertaken revealed that only 3% of bus journeys within York involve passengers using the services of 2 different companies. This low figure is partly influenced by the large number of pensioners (free) passes now in use and the fact that you can get a through ticket on the services ofthe dominant provider (First).

The cost of introducing a paper based any operator ticket is in excess of £100k with significant running costs (not mentioned in the Council report).

The introduction of a smart card payment system is worth supporting as it will increase bus usage, The Council are right to cooperate with Metro in using their Yorcard system to reduce setting up costs.

As for the rest, the Council should consult residents before they seek funding to ban non public transport vehicles from the City centre bridges (which is their intention).

The other infrastructure improvements just aren’t worth a £2 million price tag for local taxpayers. The money would have to be borrowed with debt repayments costing around £180,000 a year. The Council gets £1.9million a year in Local Transport Plan funding and it should work within that budget envelope at least until the economy shows a significant and sustained improvement.

ReginaldBiscuit says...
8:53am Tue 14 Feb 12

RingoStarr wrote:
bolero wrote:
Sorry,But this would be progress and York doesn't do progress.
Ah, that magic word 'progress'! No doubt Germany thought it was 'progressing' when it elected the Nazis.
Funnily enough, the Nazi regime did much good for the German people before the start of World War 2 and one thing they sorted out was the transport system. Fast moving autobahns. Public transport running on time. Irony. You should stop comparing and jingoistically equating what happened nearly 70 years ago with modern day problems or ideologies. Clearly, the war ended in 1945.

It's difficult to work out whether this is just another wasteful exercise in local democracy or a genuine effort to 'make things better' for the good of the people. Merrett and the rest of his democratic friends should be focussing on the real problems in York. Poverty, corruption, inequality, subjugation and control.

York Oyster Card. Sounds like a seedy covertly known discount card for a house of pleasure and wickedness.

MrsHoney says...
9:24am Tue 14 Feb 12

The reason I currently only use First is not because it's the only bus I can get but because I can get a First ticket and use any of their busses. However, if I was able to get a ticket that I could use on any bus that would be great. The amount of times I've been stood waiting ages for my bus only to have several others pass by that I could've gone on but I didn't want to have to buy another bus ticket. It would give me more choice and definitely tempt me back onto the busses (after giving in and getting a car a year ago). Bus travel in York is too difficult and time consuming. Anything they can do to improve it is money well spent (so long as they actually do manage to improve it of course). It takes me 20 mins to get to work in the car and an hour on the bus - why would I want to take the bus?! You end up sitting at stops for ages because of the padded out timetables for the odd occassion that the traffic is so bad it would make the bus late. I'd rather it was late every now and again to be honest.

ISeeEverything says...
9:42am Tue 14 Feb 12

They have 'real time' displays in Sheffield, except they don't work when it's cold, or when it's raining, or......

Ignatius Lumpopo says...
10:12am Tue 14 Feb 12

If it ever happens, they should call it the 'Ostrich Card'. There's something about heads being buried in the sand that seems appropriate for York.

Osoman123 says...
11:39am Tue 14 Feb 12

Waste of money. Spend it on analysing why First York continues to provide a woeful and totally unacceptable service throughout the City and employs such rude drivers. The number 6 which I travel to work on is an absolute sham of a service, and it shouldn't be, it's the only service that directly serves the hospital. Customer Service don't have any answers if you ever manage the minor miracle of ever getting through to them after being passed from pillar to post. Who's responsible?

monkeyhanger says...
12:08pm Tue 14 Feb 12

What the hell is this obsession the council and others have with buses and cycles.There isn't the money to spend at the moment on new schemes.Oh I forgot raise the council tax,cut back on everything else,as long as the buses and cycles are well catered for all is well.
Forget the world economic crises,lack of social housing,waste and incompetence.Just build more cycle lanes and have more buses and bus lanes,that will sort it.I ask you!

aa42john says...
12:51pm Tue 14 Feb 12

Personally I'd like all or most bus travel in York to be free - to be paid for by parking costs at the Park & Ride. At least we should examine the feasibility including all externalities.

Jussayin! says...
1:20pm Tue 14 Feb 12

We pay totally unacceptable fares currently for a disgraceful service, imagine the price hike for this!!!!

leont says...
1:31pm Tue 14 Feb 12

These are really good ideas and well worth the money.
..
.. 'Smart ticketing' improves timing significantly. Instead of waiting to pay and get change, just swipe. Quicker buses, we all get there faster!
..
.. 'Cross-ticketing' also very useful - take any bus.
..
.. 'Real-time information' is just *so* important. Time and again research has shown that knowing the time(s) of the next bus(es) makes for genuinely significant gains in passenger satisfaction - and the current 'text' service just doesn't work at all well. (Although here's a tip: if you log on to West Yorks at www.wymetro.acislive
.com you can get what little real time info is available for York as well as Bradford etc. Just enter the stop code. Only if you've got internet on the go, sadly. But the infrastructure is there and ready to go for this.)
..
..
It's only a small start, true - there's lots more that can be done to bring York's public transport system closer to that of a modern city (at present it's distinctly third-world!). And, yes, the bus companies currently provide a lousy service (one that would shame many third-world countries, indeed!). But these proposals make a real start...
..
.. So: Bring it on! Please! Support your local public transport!

old_geezer says...
1:44pm Tue 14 Feb 12

To The Dark Knight: I have spent decades trying to convince councils and bus companies that asking existing passengers what they want is NOT the way to increase patronage.

Ask people who DON'T but MIGHT use the bus! An inter-operator ticket would change the economics for many who are currently put off by cost. The marginal cost of a car for a few miles is sadly usually lower than one bus trip, let alone two on different operators.

sukh says...
2:00pm Tue 14 Feb 12

It is ridiculous for a city the size of York to have no proper bus station. Even locals have no idea where to catch a bus for a particular destination. On street sites are not good enough and only increase congestion.

Stevie D says...
5:24pm Tue 14 Feb 12

If they are going to spend money putting up "real time displays" (which I think is a good thing), please can they first invest some money in a working system. The current one is a complete shambles and a waste of time, the predicted arrival times bear little or no relation to when the bus will turn up, and I've never seem them give any useful information at all when there is severe disruption.

LibDem wrote:
The last survey undertaken revealed that only 3% of bus journeys within York involve passengers using the services of 2 different companies.

If that is the case, that is down to the fact that paying passengers have structured their journeys around using a single operator because of the high cost of using more than one.

I suspect it also ignores the journeys where passengers might want to travel out with one operator and back with another, which would cover journeys between the city centre and: University (First / Pullman), Hull Road (First / EYMS), Fulford and Designer Outlet (First / Arriva / Transdev), Taddy Road and Copmanthorpe (First / Coastliner), Clifton, Rawcliffe and Skelton (First / Transdev / Stephensons / Reliance), Heworth (First / Transdev) ... you get the picture. People making those journeys will benefit greatly from being able to catch any bus on their return journey rather than being tied to using the same operator they travelled out with.

bloodaxe says...
5:32pm Tue 14 Feb 12

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
RingoStarr wrote:
bolero wrote:
Sorry,But this would be progress and York doesn't do progress.
Ah, that magic word 'progress'! No doubt Germany thought it was 'progressing' when it elected the Nazis.
Funnily enough, the Nazi regime did much good for the German people before the start of World War 2 and one thing they sorted out was the transport system. Fast moving autobahns. Public transport running on time. Irony. You should stop comparing and jingoistically equating what happened nearly 70 years ago with modern day problems or ideologies. Clearly, the war ended in 1945.

It's difficult to work out whether this is just another wasteful exercise in local democracy or a genuine effort to 'make things better' for the good of the people. Merrett and the rest of his democratic friends should be focussing on the real problems in York. Poverty, corruption, inequality, subjugation and control.

York Oyster Card. Sounds like a seedy covertly known discount card for a house of pleasure and wickedness.
York has low levels of poverty and inequality compared with most cities in the UK. That's a fact. It also does more for elderly and young people than many cities and has kept its libraries and learning centres open, not to mention upgrading all of its schools in the last ten years. Less doom and gloom please.

joejamestom says...
7:28pm Tue 14 Feb 12

My main issues with bus travel in the city are twofold really, first cost as a family of four its £10 return we can a) park for a long time for that b) clog the ring road & hit the P&R for half that.
Combine that with the infrequent service that makes planning difficult, the fact it effectively ceases as a meaningful service in the evening means that for a lot of rate payers we just seem to be subsidising a service for a relatively small minority of residents.
Solution get people into the bus habit by having frequent services at all meaningful times at an attractive price & we may well get in the habit of walking for 5 minutes to catch our local bus service. The means of payment by card for example will help the smooth running but it may be necessary to pump a lot of public funding into bus transport to get us into this idealistic state.
The expansion of P&R will help a bit as if one is available to catch on its way into the city nearby then that looks a positive move. However this currently mooted scheme is Headline grabbing tinkering for our council leaders not the reform needed to change public transport habits. Currently the costs seem to be more about charging the maximum the market will stand before getting a taxi.

Silver says...
7:30pm Tue 14 Feb 12

No one seems to have asked the question I'm going to ask, how are you going to pay for a return? Single tickets cost more.....

aa42john says...
10:11pm Tue 14 Feb 12

London has a very complicated system that works well. Rather than single & return prices, it has a daily 'cap' on the total spent - if you start after 9.30 am then the cap is reduced.

Steve, says...
12:51pm Wed 15 Feb 12

I'd like to know exactly how they plan to put a bus lane thru Clarence Street? Oh, and definitely Gillygate...

its-a-secret says...
2:40pm Wed 15 Feb 12

I suppose they will be able to use the millions raised from the 'bed tax' they are imposing on tourists to pay for these changes as undoubtedly it will cost £4 million just to complete the surveys and inquiries.

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