£1 tourism tax branded ‘a mistake’ by York hoteliers

York Press: Lionel Chatard, chairman of the York Hoteliers Association, who says a tourist tax would be fiercely opposed by his members Lionel Chatard, chairman of the York Hoteliers Association, who says a tourist tax would be fiercely opposed by his members

HOTELIERS have attacked the possibility of York getting a “tourist tax” – claiming it will lead to visitors deserting the city for its rivals.

The Fairness Commission, set up by City of York Council last year to give residents their say over the city’s future, has recommended looking at charging every tourist a levy of up to £1 a night during their stay.

Council officers have not ruled out the idea and are now expected to assess how it would affect the city’s tourism sector.

But Lionel Chatard, who chairs the York Hoteliers Association, said hotels would fiercely oppose the suggestion – also dubbed a York Visitor Heritage Contribution – and introducing it would be “a terrible mistake”.

The commission’s interim report will go before the council’s cabinet next week, with its other recommendations including spending less on roads, cutting ward committee budgets, council tax rises of between 3.5 and six per cent, a York Youth Card discount scheme for businesses and extending YoZone bus discounts.

In its report, the independent body said a tourist tax could “raise a significant amount of money each year to help alleviate the pressures of being a world-class tourist destination” and ease the strain on the council’s budgets for supporting tourism.

It also said caps on charges could be set to prevent visitors being put off coming to York, but Mr Chatard, director and general manager of Middlethorpe Hall & Spa, said: “Every hotel in York pays substantial amounts in business rates, and an additional tax for tourists – which is not applied in cities we compete with, such as Edinburgh, Chester and Bath – would be a terrible mistake.

“If York suddenly became £1 a night more expensive to visit, I’d be extremely concerned we would lose a lot of visitors as they may choose to go to other cities or abroad. The economic climate is already challenging for hotels and it would be very bad PR for the city.

“The council needs to be very, very careful about this, and we would oppose it strongly.”

Visit York chief executive Gillian Cruddas said it fully supported the Commission’s aims, but she said: “It is vitally important to protect and nurture York’s important tourism sector, which generates 23,000 jobs in the city.

“Most importantly, York has to be able to compete on a level playing field with other cities across Britain and Europe. Visit York’s tourism strategy focuses on income generation and visitor spend, rather than volume, and visitors already generate £443 million of income for York annually.

“These recommendations by the Commission would need to be very carefully considered in light of this.”

A report by the council’s strategy and development officer, Jane Collingwood, recommended assessing “the full implications” of a tourism tax and possible alternatives, as well as consulting with Visit York and tourism businesses, but said the suggestion raised “conflicting issues”.

“The council would not want to implement a charge or tax which could deter visitors, impose an administrative burden on local businesses and potentially undermine the profitability of this sector of the local economy,” said the report.

“However, the council is prepared to explore all ideas which could help increase income to the city and the council from this sector.”

York Press: The Press - Comment

City taxes are not the answer

CITY taxes are nothing new on the Continent. Most hotels are charged with collecting a daily sum for each person staying with them, but nothing like it exists in this country.

So there will be many who fear the worst if York implements the Fairness Commission’s recommendation to charge a flat rate of up to £1 per person, per night’s stay.

Dubbed a York Visitor Heritage Contribution to help alleviate the pressures of being a world-class tourist destination, it would undoubtedly produce some much-needed revenue, but at what cost?

Visitors already generate £443 million of income each year and while an extra £1 may seem a small amount, for groups or individuals staying a number of nights, this might prove one charge too far if it causes room tariffs to rise.

And the timing is not great. Things are tight enough and we should be doing all in our power to help support local businesses. It will be down to the hotels to pay the tax one way or another and that may lead to an even heftier tax bill. Perhaps less of an administration problem for the large chains, but certainly a headache for B&B owners.

Lionel Chatard, chair of York Hoteliers Association, says hotels would fiercely oppose the suggestion, adding it would be a terrible mistake. Others ask whether another way couldn’t be found to raise this money and we agree.

Major destination rivals such as Edinburgh and Bath don’t charge a tourist tax and we have to ask, does this proposal really send out the right message that York is a place to stay?

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10:13am Tue 7 Feb 12

smudge1 says...

How are the council going to know how many people are staying at the hotels every night ??? Answers in writing please
How are the council going to know how many people are staying at the hotels every night ??? Answers in writing please smudge1
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10:45am Tue 7 Feb 12

Sillybillies says...

The hotel register, I believe that legally hotels should keep one.
The hotel register, I believe that legally hotels should keep one. Sillybillies
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10:56am Tue 7 Feb 12

smudge1 says...

Sillybillies wrote:
The hotel register, I believe that legally hotels should keep one.
Yeah right............ I am sure that will be accurately kept with a £1.00 charge per customer !!
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: The hotel register, I believe that legally hotels should keep one.[/p][/quote]Yeah right............ I am sure that will be accurately kept with a £1.00 charge per customer !! smudge1
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11:07am Tue 7 Feb 12

ISeeEverything says...

Does the law allow this? What if the hotel owners refuse to pay? Will the Council have the right to inspect the accounts, like HMRC have? Someone must know.
Does the law allow this? What if the hotel owners refuse to pay? Will the Council have the right to inspect the accounts, like HMRC have? Someone must know. ISeeEverything
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11:19am Tue 7 Feb 12

amike says...

Maybe the £1 per person tax could fund Visit York!!!
Maybe the £1 per person tax could fund Visit York!!! amike
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11:26am Tue 7 Feb 12

Saywhat says...

Just another way for the council to claw back the mass of wasted money on u-turn projects, me thinks!!
Just another way for the council to claw back the mass of wasted money on u-turn projects, me thinks!! Saywhat
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11:26am Tue 7 Feb 12

The Great Buda says...

Great idea. The money could be put into a pot to provide services for residents. Sich as Pools, Parks and Schools.
Great idea. The money could be put into a pot to provide services for residents. Sich as Pools, Parks and Schools. The Great Buda
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11:33am Tue 7 Feb 12

Mike Warwick says...

Other great cities have a tourist tax, Rome for example. People still visit in droves. They will still come to York as its a great city to visit. What you have to do is be open about it and explain why and how the money is spent. Providing better facilities that benefit both residents and tourists alike.
Other great cities have a tourist tax, Rome for example. People still visit in droves. They will still come to York as its a great city to visit. What you have to do is be open about it and explain why and how the money is spent. Providing better facilities that benefit both residents and tourists alike. Mike Warwick
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11:41am Tue 7 Feb 12

JONNYGOODSHOES says...

Why not £5 that should pay for the new community Stadium, or even £10 and then the council tax for the locals could be reduced.
Why not £5 that should pay for the new community Stadium, or even £10 and then the council tax for the locals could be reduced. JONNYGOODSHOES
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12:15pm Tue 7 Feb 12

Chrido81 says...

Mike Warwick wrote:
Other great cities have a tourist tax, Rome for example. People still visit in droves. They will still come to York as its a great city to visit. What you have to do is be open about it and explain why and how the money is spent. Providing better facilities that benefit both residents and tourists alike.
Having lived in York most of my life, and having travelled a fair bit in my time, I can safely say that York isn't a 'great city'. It's a good city with great aspects to it, however, not enough to warrant a tourist tax.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Warwick[/bold] wrote: Other great cities have a tourist tax, Rome for example. People still visit in droves. They will still come to York as its a great city to visit. What you have to do is be open about it and explain why and how the money is spent. Providing better facilities that benefit both residents and tourists alike.[/p][/quote]Having lived in York most of my life, and having travelled a fair bit in my time, I can safely say that York isn't a 'great city'. It's a good city with great aspects to it, however, not enough to warrant a tourist tax. Chrido81
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1:48pm Tue 7 Feb 12

roskoboskovic says...

other great cities levy a tax right.then goes on to name one,rome.get a grip mate,if this is the best that york can come up with then its time to give up.use a bit of gumption and actually do something positive like making it more car friendly because most tourists drive here,moderating parking charges and get the city centre tidied up for gods sake.
other great cities levy a tax right.then goes on to name one,rome.get a grip mate,if this is the best that york can come up with then its time to give up.use a bit of gumption and actually do something positive like making it more car friendly because most tourists drive here,moderating parking charges and get the city centre tidied up for gods sake. roskoboskovic
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1:50pm Tue 7 Feb 12

bloodaxe says...

Himmel ! One pound a night. Is that a whole pound as in one hundred pence ?
As for York not being a great city. Yes it is.
Himmel ! One pound a night. Is that a whole pound as in one hundred pence ? As for York not being a great city. Yes it is. bloodaxe
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2:20pm Tue 7 Feb 12

Even AndyD says...

Can't believe the spokesperson thinks we'd lose 'lots of visitors' because of £1 extra. For goodness sake, its like the traders - these people benefit from our wonderful city, but don't want to do anything to maintain it. Its a pound, 100 pence - it won't make any difference. Muppets.
Can't believe the spokesperson thinks we'd lose 'lots of visitors' because of £1 extra. For goodness sake, its like the traders - these people benefit from our wonderful city, but don't want to do anything to maintain it. Its a pound, 100 pence - it won't make any difference. Muppets. Even AndyD
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2:21pm Tue 7 Feb 12

meme says...

£1 is fine but it will be the sharp end of the wedge and COYC will than say £5.00 then 10.00 and that will hurt tourism and we must NOT bite the hand that feeds this city IE tourists
Plus does anyone trust our council to use the extra money wisely and not just waste it on admin and useless causes?
£1 is fine but it will be the sharp end of the wedge and COYC will than say £5.00 then 10.00 and that will hurt tourism and we must NOT bite the hand that feeds this city IE tourists Plus does anyone trust our council to use the extra money wisely and not just waste it on admin and useless causes? meme
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2:27pm Tue 7 Feb 12

chunks says...

If I was deciding which City to go to for a week away the knowledge that I had to pay £1 visitors' tax per night would make no difference whatsoever to my decision to go.
If I was deciding which City to go to for a week away the knowledge that I had to pay £1 visitors' tax per night would make no difference whatsoever to my decision to go. chunks
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2:43pm Tue 7 Feb 12

I despair!!! says...

perhaps if the COYC used their heads a little and offered say a book of vouchers to spend in the city and charged £5 for it and asked restaurants/bars/sho
ps to offer the discounts , they would generate enough money to avoid a £1 tax and everyone would benefit.
perhaps if the COYC used their heads a little and offered say a book of vouchers to spend in the city and charged £5 for it and asked restaurants/bars/sho ps to offer the discounts , they would generate enough money to avoid a £1 tax and everyone would benefit. I despair!!!
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2:50pm Tue 7 Feb 12

Pete the Brickie says...

This town gets more like Nottingham Castle every day, the next thing we know James Sherrif of York will re-introduce the window tax. If I were a crusading champion of the poor dressed in green, hiding in a forest with a load of men dressed in tights and eating King Kirsten's deer instead of a Bricklayer, I'd suggest to all hotel owners that they don't charge any more for rooms but instead simply pay the tax from a single pool and re-coup it by charging the council more for their meetings, training days, dinners and partnership functions which despite cuts and austarity measures they are forced to hold in the very venues they seek to tax. At the end of the day this might work better than robbing council officers with swords and longbows which will require lengthty risk assesments and higher insurance premiums.
This town gets more like Nottingham Castle every day, the next thing we know James Sherrif of York will re-introduce the window tax. If I were a crusading champion of the poor dressed in green, hiding in a forest with a load of men dressed in tights and eating King Kirsten's deer instead of a Bricklayer, I'd suggest to all hotel owners that they don't charge any more for rooms but instead simply pay the tax from a single pool and re-coup it by charging the council more for their meetings, training days, dinners and partnership functions which despite cuts and austarity measures they are forced to hold in the very venues they seek to tax. At the end of the day this might work better than robbing council officers with swords and longbows which will require lengthty risk assesments and higher insurance premiums. Pete the Brickie
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2:56pm Tue 7 Feb 12

LibDem says...

Apparently the Council Leader was wined and dined at Middlethorpe Hall in January by Lionel Chatard.

Conversation must have been interesting.

Can't imagine why anyone would think that a local Council could unilaterally introduce any new kind of tax.

Just getting control of Business Rate revenue would be more than enough to sustain York's investment plans.
Apparently the Council Leader was wined and dined at Middlethorpe Hall in January by Lionel Chatard. Conversation must have been interesting. Can't imagine why anyone would think that a local Council could unilaterally introduce any new kind of tax. Just getting control of Business Rate revenue would be more than enough to sustain York's investment plans. LibDem
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2:58pm Tue 7 Feb 12

Fat Harry says...

I was thinking of spending a couple of nights at the Cedar Court, but the possibility of the bill rising from £550 to £552 has thrown my plans into turmoil.
I was thinking of spending a couple of nights at the Cedar Court, but the possibility of the bill rising from £550 to £552 has thrown my plans into turmoil. Fat Harry
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3:20pm Tue 7 Feb 12

lioncub says...

Put a tax on cyclists! Make them pay for the cycle lanes they don't use.
Put a tax on cyclists! Make them pay for the cycle lanes they don't use. lioncub
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3:40pm Tue 7 Feb 12

Von_Dutch says...

lioncub wrote:
Put a tax on cyclists! Make them pay for the cycle lanes they don't use.
Oh do shut up for heavens sake - this news story has nothing to do with cyclists. Stop trolling.
[quote][p][bold]lioncub[/bold] wrote: Put a tax on cyclists! Make them pay for the cycle lanes they don't use.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up for heavens sake - this news story has nothing to do with cyclists. Stop trolling. Von_Dutch
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4:00pm Tue 7 Feb 12

AngryandFrustrated says...

Pete the Brickie wrote:
This town gets more like Nottingham Castle every day, the next thing we know James Sherrif of York will re-introduce the window tax. If I were a crusading champion of the poor dressed in green, hiding in a forest with a load of men dressed in tights and eating King Kirsten's deer instead of a Bricklayer, I'd suggest to all hotel owners that they don't charge any more for rooms but instead simply pay the tax from a single pool and re-coup it by charging the council more for their meetings, training days, dinners and partnership functions which despite cuts and austarity measures they are forced to hold in the very venues they seek to tax. At the end of the day this might work better than robbing council officers with swords and longbows which will require lengthty risk assesments and higher insurance premiums.
Pete as ever, an hilarious posting! I must also congratulate Fat Harry because his sarcasm just sums up how ridiculous the hoteliers are at saying this will be the death of tourism. Absolute tosh.

Amsterdam charge a 5% city tax on all hotel bookings and I don't recall that city dying a death and as someone who visits there twice a year, I cannot say that the city tax has ever put me off.
[quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: This town gets more like Nottingham Castle every day, the next thing we know James Sherrif of York will re-introduce the window tax. If I were a crusading champion of the poor dressed in green, hiding in a forest with a load of men dressed in tights and eating King Kirsten's deer instead of a Bricklayer, I'd suggest to all hotel owners that they don't charge any more for rooms but instead simply pay the tax from a single pool and re-coup it by charging the council more for their meetings, training days, dinners and partnership functions which despite cuts and austarity measures they are forced to hold in the very venues they seek to tax. At the end of the day this might work better than robbing council officers with swords and longbows which will require lengthty risk assesments and higher insurance premiums.[/p][/quote]Pete as ever, an hilarious posting! I must also congratulate Fat Harry because his sarcasm just sums up how ridiculous the hoteliers are at saying this will be the death of tourism. Absolute tosh. Amsterdam charge a 5% city tax on all hotel bookings and I don't recall that city dying a death and as someone who visits there twice a year, I cannot say that the city tax has ever put me off. AngryandFrustrated
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4:01pm Tue 7 Feb 12

Big Bad Wolf says...

Why not levy a tax of £1 for each room that the hotels have and if they are unoccupied then the hotel can claim this back.
Is this tax just for hotels within the city walls?
Why not levy a tax of £1 for each room that the hotels have and if they are unoccupied then the hotel can claim this back. Is this tax just for hotels within the city walls? Big Bad Wolf
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4:19pm Tue 7 Feb 12

R'Marcus says...

smudge1 wrote:
How are the council going to know how many people are staying at the hotels every night ??? Answers in writing please
Well, many travelers who have gone to the U.S.A. are fully aware of the "bed tax" as it is tacked on to their bills.
For your information, the "bed tax" is imputted automatically and added to the total stay at the hotel.
Of course the tax only applies to tourists' rooms.
York should charge each and every room £5.00 not a measly £1.00.
[quote][p][bold]smudge1[/bold] wrote: How are the council going to know how many people are staying at the hotels every night ??? Answers in writing please[/p][/quote]Well, many travelers who have gone to the U.S.A. are fully aware of the "bed tax" as it is tacked on to their bills. For your information, the "bed tax" is imputted automatically and added to the total stay at the hotel. Of course the tax only applies to tourists' rooms. York should charge each and every room £5.00 not a measly £1.00. R'Marcus
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4:57pm Tue 7 Feb 12

arg says...

Yes please: it is worth a pound to inconvenience residents by wandering around blocking the footpaths, pollute the skyline, and yell while ratarsed to their friend standing next to them. £1 is too darned little.
Yes please: it is worth a pound to inconvenience residents by wandering around blocking the footpaths, pollute the skyline, and yell while ratarsed to their friend standing next to them. £1 is too darned little. arg
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5:07pm Tue 7 Feb 12

marvell says...

Another great idea from the farce that is the Fairness Commission - chaired by former Bradford Labour Councillor and aide to Ed Balls - Ruth Redfern.

Talk about a Labour stitch up - and the blurb on the website says "non-political"...!!
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Another great idea from the farce that is the Fairness Commission - chaired by former Bradford Labour Councillor and aide to Ed Balls - Ruth Redfern. Talk about a Labour stitch up - and the blurb on the website says "non-political"...!! ! marvell
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5:19pm Tue 7 Feb 12

gmsgop says...

meme wrote:
A report by the council’s strategy and development officer, Jane Collingwood, recommended assessing “the full implications” of a tourism tax and possible alternatives, as well as consulting with Visit York and tourism businesses, but said the suggestion raised “conflicting issues”.

AND HOW MUCH WOULD THIS COST
WHY NOT GET RID OF J COLLINGWOOD AND HER DEPARTMENT AND PUT THE SAVINGS TOWARDS PROMOTING YORK
As per usual the council 'consultation' exercise is Mis-calibrated- the point would be to consult much more broadly than those who will have to pay the tax- the answer is rather obvious- the point would be to consult way beyond that- the cost of visit York and subsidies to cultural and heritage assets, cleaning up after visitors could all be met in part from these contributions, so leaving the city to improve services to local residents especially those in poverty.... So let's have a proper consultation!!! Well done fairness commission - good to see an independent contribution to city thinking. So does anyone know how much this tax might raise?
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: A report by the council’s strategy and development officer, Jane Collingwood, recommended assessing “the full implications” of a tourism tax and possible alternatives, as well as consulting with Visit York and tourism businesses, but said the suggestion raised “conflicting issues”. AND HOW MUCH WOULD THIS COST WHY NOT GET RID OF J COLLINGWOOD AND HER DEPARTMENT AND PUT THE SAVINGS TOWARDS PROMOTING YORK[/p][/quote]As per usual the council 'consultation' exercise is Mis-calibrated- the point would be to consult much more broadly than those who will have to pay the tax- the answer is rather obvious- the point would be to consult way beyond that- the cost of visit York and subsidies to cultural and heritage assets, cleaning up after visitors could all be met in part from these contributions, so leaving the city to improve services to local residents especially those in poverty.... So let's have a proper consultation!!! Well done fairness commission - good to see an independent contribution to city thinking. So does anyone know how much this tax might raise? gmsgop
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6:02pm Tue 7 Feb 12

yorkandproud says...

Fairness Commission my ar$e. What is fair about taxing only hotels. They are already taxed on their earnings. What next, asking every passenger who comes out of the Station for a Quid each. Then every passenger on the park and ride for a Quid each. This fairness mob are just plucking stupid ideas out of the air. I'll tell you how to save some money. Sack the Fairness Commission idiots now.
Fairness Commission my ar$e. What is fair about taxing only hotels. They are already taxed on their earnings. What next, asking every passenger who comes out of the Station for a Quid each. Then every passenger on the park and ride for a Quid each. This fairness mob are just plucking stupid ideas out of the air. I'll tell you how to save some money. Sack the Fairness Commission idiots now. yorkandproud
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7:46pm Tue 7 Feb 12

ouseswimmer says...

Really it needs to be a percentage about 2% would be right. I remember in Brugge they had flower box's with red flowers in them all around the town. These were paid for from the tourist tax and everyone was encouraged to have them on their windowsil. The money should be used for innovative proects which make the city look better and more attractive.
Really it needs to be a percentage about 2% would be right. I remember in Brugge they had flower box's with red flowers in them all around the town. These were paid for from the tourist tax and everyone was encouraged to have them on their windowsil. The money should be used for innovative proects which make the city look better and more attractive. ouseswimmer
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8:19pm Tue 7 Feb 12

Christopher.B says...

I travel a lot and always stay outside cities with a tourist tax. Plenty of people drive into York by coach for the day already - this will just encourage more day-tripping which does not help restaurants and hotels in the evening.
This money will not be dedicated to improving the city for tourism but will just go on fatcat councillors' allowances and of course "fact-finding" trips to Rome etc to see how tourism taxes work there !
I travel a lot and always stay outside cities with a tourist tax. Plenty of people drive into York by coach for the day already - this will just encourage more day-tripping which does not help restaurants and hotels in the evening. This money will not be dedicated to improving the city for tourism but will just go on fatcat councillors' allowances and of course "fact-finding" trips to Rome etc to see how tourism taxes work there ! Christopher.B
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9:02pm Tue 7 Feb 12

ak7274 says...

When will pillocks stop putting a tax on everything that either moves or doesn't move?

The order of the day at every Council meeting must be "How can we squeeze more pips out of the masses?"
When will pillocks stop putting a tax on everything that either moves or doesn't move? The order of the day at every Council meeting must be "How can we squeeze more pips out of the masses?" ak7274
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10:02pm Tue 7 Feb 12

piaggio says...

tourist tax, yup , go for it , stay a few nights in the dam ,ALWAYS have to pay the tax,it,s usually on your hotel bill,in fact most cities in europe charge this,nobody complains,i always like to think it helps the cycles in amsterdam??? yea of course i do!!
tourist tax, yup , go for it , stay a few nights in the dam ,ALWAYS have to pay the tax,it,s usually on your hotel bill,in fact most cities in europe charge this,nobody complains,i always like to think it helps the cycles in amsterdam??? yea of course i do!! piaggio
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12:58am Wed 8 Feb 12

Magicman! says...

It's only a quid. Considering that residents have council tax and charges for other services go up (along with 'certain' bus routes charging 20p more in the direction normally used by residents) then a tax on tourists would be OK.
It's only a quid. Considering that residents have council tax and charges for other services go up (along with 'certain' bus routes charging 20p more in the direction normally used by residents) then a tax on tourists would be OK. Magicman!
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9:21am Wed 8 Feb 12

Woody Mellor says...

Malta is another success story for this Tax. It's a great idea, get on with it.
Malta is another success story for this Tax. It's a great idea, get on with it. Woody Mellor
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4:55pm Wed 8 Feb 12

Mike Warwick says...

Well roskoboskovic I did get a grip; will Florence and Venice do for you. Its a tax that is sometimes applied over multiple nights, perhaps thats the way to go. Chrido81, as for York not being a Great City well everyone is entitled to an opinion. Good or Great visitors love it and pay the wages of a lot of people who live here.
Well roskoboskovic I did get a grip; will Florence and Venice do for you. Its a tax that is sometimes applied over multiple nights, perhaps thats the way to go. Chrido81, as for York not being a Great City well everyone is entitled to an opinion. Good or Great visitors love it and pay the wages of a lot of people who live here. Mike Warwick
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1:11pm Thu 9 Feb 12

diamonds10 says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote: This town gets more like Nottingham Castle every day, the next thing we know James Sherrif of York will re-introduce the window tax. If I were a crusading champion of the poor dressed in green, hiding in a forest with a load of men dressed in tights and eating King Kirsten's deer instead of a Bricklayer, I'd suggest to all hotel owners that they don't charge any more for rooms but instead simply pay the tax from a single pool and re-coup it by charging the council more for their meetings, training days, dinners and partnership functions which despite cuts and austarity measures they are forced to hold in the very venues they seek to tax. At the end of the day this might work better than robbing council officers with swords and longbows which will require lengthty risk assesments and higher insurance premiums.
Pete as ever, an hilarious posting! I must also congratulate Fat Harry because his sarcasm just sums up how ridiculous the hoteliers are at saying this will be the death of tourism. Absolute tosh. Amsterdam charge a 5% city tax on all hotel bookings and I don't recall that city dying a death and as someone who visits there twice a year, I cannot say that the city tax has ever put me off.
with all due respect to York, Amsterdam and Rome have a **** sight more to offer visitors and is worth paying for.
[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: This town gets more like Nottingham Castle every day, the next thing we know James Sherrif of York will re-introduce the window tax. If I were a crusading champion of the poor dressed in green, hiding in a forest with a load of men dressed in tights and eating King Kirsten's deer instead of a Bricklayer, I'd suggest to all hotel owners that they don't charge any more for rooms but instead simply pay the tax from a single pool and re-coup it by charging the council more for their meetings, training days, dinners and partnership functions which despite cuts and austarity measures they are forced to hold in the very venues they seek to tax. At the end of the day this might work better than robbing council officers with swords and longbows which will require lengthty risk assesments and higher insurance premiums.[/p][/quote]Pete as ever, an hilarious posting! I must also congratulate Fat Harry because his sarcasm just sums up how ridiculous the hoteliers are at saying this will be the death of tourism. Absolute tosh. Amsterdam charge a 5% city tax on all hotel bookings and I don't recall that city dying a death and as someone who visits there twice a year, I cannot say that the city tax has ever put me off.[/p][/quote]with all due respect to York, Amsterdam and Rome have a **** sight more to offer visitors and is worth paying for. diamonds10
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10:28pm Sun 12 Feb 12

none more black says...

I despair!!! wrote:
perhaps if the COYC used their heads a little and offered say a book of vouchers to spend in the city and charged £5 for it and asked restaurants/bars/sho

ps to offer the discounts , they would generate enough money to avoid a £1 tax and everyone would benefit.
those "initiatives" never work. just look at the joke that is givebackworks

£1 - seems like a good idea. The price of parking/beer etc are the things that would put tourists off
[quote][p][bold]I despair!!![/bold] wrote: perhaps if the COYC used their heads a little and offered say a book of vouchers to spend in the city and charged £5 for it and asked restaurants/bars/sho ps to offer the discounts , they would generate enough money to avoid a £1 tax and everyone would benefit.[/p][/quote]those "initiatives" never work. just look at the joke that is givebackworks £1 - seems like a good idea. The price of parking/beer etc are the things that would put tourists off none more black
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11:58am Mon 13 Feb 12

York_Landlady says...

The greatest cost to the city is those visiting York not for a night away, but the day trippers who are driven into the city by coaches and driven out to stay elsewhere. The same is true for the heavy drinking coach-borne racegoers who become abusive and litter the pavements with rubbish as the day wears on.

Those folk who stay overnight in the City tend to spend money on local businesses and eat out. They already contribute to the city's finances with their trips to out museums as well as shops.

A simple coach tax of £40 and £10 per minibus would target those folk easily enough as would an enforced £5 parking surcharge on any car visiting York Races and parking on that site.

With any tax, one has to ensure the costs of collection are as low as possible. Bed taxes are expensive to collect and difficult to manage whereas a coach or minibus that is not a badged PSV or School bus is easily indentified.
The greatest cost to the city is those visiting York not for a night away, but the day trippers who are driven into the city by coaches and driven out to stay elsewhere. The same is true for the heavy drinking coach-borne racegoers who become abusive and litter the pavements with rubbish as the day wears on. Those folk who stay overnight in the City tend to spend money on local businesses and eat out. They already contribute to the city's finances with their trips to out museums as well as shops. A simple coach tax of £40 and £10 per minibus would target those folk easily enough as would an enforced £5 parking surcharge on any car visiting York Races and parking on that site. With any tax, one has to ensure the costs of collection are as low as possible. Bed taxes are expensive to collect and difficult to manage whereas a coach or minibus that is not a badged PSV or School bus is easily indentified. York_Landlady
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